Own The West":2qigjy5i said:
MD5eahawks":2qigjy5i said:
Although it was a little difficult to listen through their over-the-top characterized delivery, I agree with just about everything they said. They didn't really cut Russ down. They merely just gave a summary of RWs career without rose colored glasses.
UK_Seahawk":2qigjy5i said:
The guy who had it good but wanted it better and made it worse.
Thats a decent take to be fair.
I liked that as well.
UK_Seahawk":2qigjy5i said:
Ultimately I think it comes down to $600k versus $35m.
Right on. I think they should have mentioned this. It is a very glaring aspect of the current NFL.
I think UK pulled the meat out of the thread right here. Although, I'll just add a couple more points for the folks that want to make it about something else:
1) Pete Carroll is one of three football coaches to win both the Superbowl and NCAA championships. His last Superbowl was six years ago. The only coach to win more in that time is Belichick, whom we are 3-1 against. He coached up Carson Palmer and Matt Leinart to the highest achievement of their careers and got them the Heisman. Pete Carroll has won without Russell Wilson, but Wilson has never won without Pete Carroll. I understand being a fan is often about sticking with your favorites, but it doesn't make sense to say the guy with the proven track record is holding back the guy that's never done anything without him.
2) Criticizing Russell Wilson is not 'jealousy' or a "not black enough" indictment. Both announcers had plenty of nice things to say about both white and black QBs (including Russell Wilson) and had very specific praise for Russ. The root of their criticism was 'new' vs 'old' Russ; the latter went to the Superbowl twice and won, the former has gone 1-4 in the playoffs and pointed fingers at everyone but himself. Football is a team sport. If Russ has gone 'hollywood' or "me first" that's a legit criticism.
I have watched and listened to Emmanuel Acho since he was on ESPN. He has never been super high on Russ’ greatness as a QB. And his contribution during the LOB years. Also, them being black has nothing to do with their fairness towards Russ. Russ’ first few years was filled with him being treated like an afterthought and getting those nasty “not black enough” garbage thrown at him.
Their criticism reaks of criticizing “uppity Russ” and “not knowing your place” Russ. Russ simply demanded the things that several great white QBs (mostly) have gotten without asking. A level of respect and love that other QBs have gotten. Such as as an O-linemen who is actually ranked higher than top 10 in pass blocking. And maybe perhaps giving your QB more than Jermaine Kearse and Paul Richardson as options to throw to. Or, not being at the bottom in O-line spending. It’s the equivalent of getting your wife a crappy gift every now and then because you believe she’ll never leave. Besides who would want her right? Besides, you pay the bills, why is she complaining??
There is also this narrative that Russ, despite getting paid about the same
market rate as Aaron Rodgers, Jared Goff, and others...should take less money. Because apparently, Russ takes up 80% of the cap and is the main reason we are at the BOTTOM in O-line spending.
Nick Saban is a GOAT college coach. He flopped at the NFL level. Belicheck had a losing record pre-Brady. So did most great coaches in league history. Fact is, Carroll has NEVER won without Russ. If you believe that Russ would not win elsewhere, I would be willing to bet both of our houses that Russ would have more success than Carroll. This is a Quarterback league. Star Qbs are the reason franchises like the Seahawks have maintained their value as a franchise and the reason Pete still has his job. This isn’t a feeling. This is simple NFL history.
I for one, love that Russ put his foot down. He showed he no longer cared about anyone’s opinion. That he wasn’t the quiet black QB just there to never speak up and voice his frustrations (McNabb, Vick, Cam, and several others were). He spoke up, and he has essentially carried the team since 2015. Despite poor drafting and signings by Pete/JS. When people don’t give you the respect you deserve, you kick down the door and take it. That’s what Russ should do, or go to a team that will treat him with respect without him having to beg for it.
