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How good will our running game be in 2021?

Poll runs till Thu Jun 24, 2021 8:42 pm

100% Effective run game ?
2
17%
90% Effective run game ?
0
No votes
80% Effective run game?
6
50%
70% Effective run game?
2
17%
60% Effective run game?
2
17%
50% Effective run game?
0
No votes
 
Total votes : 12

Lets talk running game.
Thu Jun 10, 2021 8:42 pm
  • Looking at our RBs and our OL it looks like its going to be another middle of the road season. Back when we had Marshawn Lynch we had a running game that Russel Wilson could lean on which was very completing to each other.

    I'm seeing a 10-7 season comming up and I believe its do to the lack of a qualified RB. Carson is ok, Penny will be gone after this season, DJ Dallas will never have a 1000 yard season. Hommer I like and could be a good secondary back.

    Our running game just doesn't excite me that much and I wonder how you feel about it for 2021 ?

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Re: Lets talk running game.
Thu Jun 10, 2021 9:10 pm
  • Its going to really suck when Carson gets hurt.
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Re: Lets talk running game.
Thu Jun 10, 2021 10:16 pm
  • Carson is a really really good running back. If he followed any other running back in team history (other than Lynch) he would get the love he deserves. His one knock is getting hurt too often.
    I'm personally very excited to see the running game this year. It could be very dynamic with the changes in system.
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Re: Lets talk running game.
Thu Jun 10, 2021 10:56 pm
  • Define "Effective Running Game"

    The Rams rushed 473 times last year for 2018 yards and 19 TDs, a 4.3 ypc average. Was that effective? To what percentage (as the poll suggests)?
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Re: Lets talk running game.
Fri Jun 11, 2021 12:48 am
  • Carson's better than OK and the offensive line is the best in years. Waldron and Dickerson come from a scheme that is notable for elevating running backs.

    I'm not gonna vote in the poll as I have no idea where those percentages are coming from? But I think it'll be a competent running game.
    Last edited by Maelstrom787 on Fri Jun 11, 2021 2:24 am, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: Lets talk running game.
Fri Jun 11, 2021 12:55 am
  • I think the running game is going to rock! Carson is underrated, the Oline is better and the WRs/TEs will scare/take the attention of the defences. But as others have said, if Carson goes down...its over.

    Drafting Penny and not some enormous and extreamly fast RB cost the Hawks big. With the run game being roughly 50% of the offence, I will never understand why a team doesn't draft the biggest and best RB every 5-7 years.
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Re: Lets talk running game.
Fri Jun 11, 2021 10:44 am
  • Don't sleep on Penny!!
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Re: Lets talk running game.
Fri Jun 11, 2021 11:21 am
  • stang233 wrote:Don't sleep on Penny!!

    He's the one who's been sleeping.
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Re: Lets talk running game.
Fri Jun 11, 2021 12:42 pm
  • I love how this board hates Penny and Dallas, but some how Homer.... is going to be a secondary back.. ROFL. Im not even sure why he's even on the team honestly
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Re: Lets talk running game.
Fri Jun 11, 2021 12:43 pm
  • brimsalabim wrote:
    stang233 wrote:Don't sleep on Penny!!

    He's the one who's been sleeping.


    Except when he does touch the ball.. he does it well.

    Injury and hardly getting carries due to some jack wagon play calling :shrug:
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Re: Lets talk running game.
Fri Jun 11, 2021 12:44 pm
  • balakoth wrote:I love how this board hates Penny and Dallas, but some how Homer.... is going to be a secondary back.. ROFL. Im not even sure why he's even on the team honestly

    Nope.. Didn't say that at all. I like Penny but recognize that he hasn't managed doodly squat for the hawks so far. I also believe that if the team is going to stay with a productive but injury prone back like Carson that we should hedge with another back that is physically capable.
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Re: Lets talk running game.
Fri Jun 11, 2021 1:00 pm
  • I'd like to see the Seahawks get La'Veon Bell a chance with a two year contract at or near a league minimum.He is only 29 years old.
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Re: Lets talk running game.
Fri Jun 11, 2021 1:07 pm
  • By the time week 14 rolls around Carson seems to get injured.

    Hard to get over that hump, because teams know Seattle wants to establish the run game during the few last games to close the regular season out. During playoffs, Carroll wants to run a ton to setup play action but Carson isn’t usually 100 percent at that time and the O-Line is usually operating in shambles, comprised of leaks and repaired with band-aids and duct tape.

    The plan might as well be let Russ play his throwing game for 80 percent of the season to save runs for Carson at the end of the year.

    Carson is good but he doesn’t last 17-20 games. You need Carson at the end of the year, let Russ throw the ball for most of the regular season! Save Carson for the end!
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Re: Lets talk running game.
Fri Jun 11, 2021 1:51 pm
  • balakoth wrote:I love how this board hates Penny and Dallas, but some how Homer.... is going to be a secondary back.. ROFL. Im not even sure why he's even on the team honestly


    Because he can block.
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Re: Lets talk running game.
Fri Jun 11, 2021 3:47 pm
  • Own The West wrote:Define "Effective Running Game"




    ^this exactly! It’s hard to have a poll that doesn’t give parameters for effectiveness. Does 100% mean that they can run the ball at will every single time every single game? Does effective mean that the running game is 100% in setting up the passing game as needed? I just don’t think this question or the way this poll is setup is a good way to categorize the running game. I think that a simple discussion thread would be a better format for it. The percentages listed mean absolutely nothing without some context.

    With that out of the way, I think the running game will see improvement over last year. The oline is better with the acquisition of Jackson and an additional year under Lewis’ belt. Chris Carson will be rock solid until or if he misses games do to injury. I’ve like Penny when I’ve seen him play. He truly is a threat to take it to the house on any given play. Between Carson and Penny we really have thunder and lightening at RB. We will just have to wait and see if that thunder and lightening brings the rain with it or not. Also remember that Alex Collins is only 26 and a proven commodity. Dallas and Homer are nothing more than jags.

    Without using percentages or responding to the poll, I think the Seahawks will have an effective running game. Effective for me means that they can control the clock when needed, establish the run game so the defense doesn’t just pin their ears back and make Russell a constant moving target, and provide an alternative functional means of moving the ball.
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Re: Lets talk running game.
Fri Jun 11, 2021 4:22 pm
  • I thought the running game last year was solid. Carson has been bit by the injury bug some, but I still think he's one ofnthe top 5 or 6 backs in the league when he's doing his thing.

    The downfall ofnthe running attack last year was a schizophrenic game plan week in and week out. There wasn't a consistent approach and there were quite a few games where we clearly established the run and then inexplicably abandoned it.

    The big upgrade this year is the o line, plus having Collins in the fold as a consistent counter to Carson. Penny... ahhhh. The guy has shown the ability to break the occasional big play but hasn't shown he's the kind of runner that can get you 3 or 4 yards when you need them and keep the offense (and chains) moving in rhythm.

    Im optimistic the offense as a whole will be more reliably effective than the red hot and then ice cold version we saw last year. Russ might not throw for 40+ tds again but I think we will be significantly more balanced between pass and run.
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Re: Lets talk running game.
Sat Jun 12, 2021 11:02 am
  • Want a good running game? Get a good line.
    Want to win football games? Get good lines.
    Win the LOS, win the game. Works like that nearly every time.
    I put a lot of stock into having good running backs, the best you can get. But a strong line that wins the LOS will make an average running back a great producer.
    Our lineup of RBs looks pretty good to me. Carson, Penny, Collins, and our 2 depth guys will do what we need them to do if our line does the job we need them to do.
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Re: Lets talk running game.
Sat Jun 12, 2021 12:20 pm
  • Carson is not a bellcow RB.

    He is a fantastic RB. And he does the 1 thing that we have needed for years, he converts short yardage for you.

    But he doesn't have the body or durability to be a bellcow.

    Despite this he fights for yardage too much after contact. It puts extra wear on him. Fighting for yardage means other defenders are going to come in hitting you from odd angles, increasing your chance of injury.

    Carson needs to know when to go down. It drives me crazy.

    That is on our coaches.

    The primary driver of our offense should be the passing game, not the run. Then the RB should be used to keep defenses honest. YOU DO NOT NEED A GREAT RUN GAME TO SET UP PLAY ACTION. Carroll seems to believe this but most teams will bite on PA even when you are primarily a passing team.

    I guess we are hoping to catch someone in Cover 0 but all it does is wear Carson out before the playoffs. And honestly, we caught plenty of teams last year with PA and in Cover 0 with Homer in the backfield, and Homer is lucky to give you 2 yards rushing on a carry. (Fantastic blocker though, love love his blocking)

    We should be sprinkling the run in while using the pass as the primary driver of the offense (and yes you can have the run be the primary driver of your offense and still have more passing than runs).

    It makes sense why Carroll does this. Run blocking OL are cheaper and easier to manufacture than pass blocking OL. But it is counterproductive. And it bites you in the *ss in the playoffs, because you need to pass as your primary driver and you are not used to this.

    We have all the pieces to have a high-powered offense that primarily passes. And yet, we want to run the ball more because it uses clock. It is a flawed strategy that works in the regular season and screws you in the playoffs.
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Re: Lets talk running game.
Sat Jun 12, 2021 12:57 pm
  • We not only need to have success running the ball, we need to have success running the ball early in the first half of the ball game. Why? So it becomes a issue for our opponents at half time,thats when it will set-up our play action passing later in the game.

    Running the ball will wear down the defense so there pass rush will be less effective in the second half, plus you have more control of the clock.

    Oh, ground chuck, wear art thou. :les:
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Re: Lets talk running game.
Sat Jun 12, 2021 2:37 pm
  • Penny not fast?He sure looked it before getting hurt.
    Homer and Dallas are gone in my book..They got hurt as well.
    I think Carson and Penny both split carries a lot more than before.
    Carson hasn't shown he can be out there week in and out for complete
    games and Penny is in walk year so he has lots to prove..I think both will
    have a good season,I can't vote on % though sorry Chawker.
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Re: Lets talk running game.
Sun Jun 13, 2021 7:05 pm
  • Thats cool Indy,

    Well, answer me this then, will we have a 1000 yard RB in 2021 ? And will we be in the top half league in rushing ?

    I'm asking because if we're going to win a title its going to take a balance on offense that is in the top 10 and a defense in the top 10 too.

    I just dont see it happening at this point.

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Re: Lets talk running game.
Sun Jun 13, 2021 8:05 pm
  • Oh, by the way Hommer hasn't ever been injured to my knowledge.
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Re: Lets talk running game.
Sun Jun 13, 2021 8:47 pm
  • Chawker wrote:We not only need to have success running the ball, we need to have success running the ball early in the first half of the ball game. Why? So it becomes a issue for our opponents at half time, that's when it will set-up our play action passing later in the game.

    Running the ball will wear down the defense so there pass rush will be less effective in the second half, plus you have more control of the clock.

    Oh, ground chuck, wear art thou. :les:


    omg, be careful Chawker and think before posting. You are sounding like that old fool Pete Carrol, the antichrist that dedicate his life to destroy the career of wonderful Russell Wilson. Dot net is all about letting chef Russell cook, which means like the first half of last season where we ran less, a lot less, and chef Russell just keep throwing the ball. Stop preaching for more running like that old fart Pete? let's talk about investing in an OL that will provide 10 seconds of protection so chef could wait comfortably for someone to get open, and a collection of past all pro/future hof WRs to catch the ball.
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Re: Lets talk running game.
Sun Jun 13, 2021 10:47 pm
  • Whats with Russ, it seem like teams run that tampa 2 defense and Russ mind shorts out ? I still think he is chicken to throw the ball over the middle. Russ needs to go back to being a drama queen, thats when we made it to the big show.

    That and we had Marshawn Lynch. Oh, well :229031_shrug:
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Re: Lets talk running game.
Mon Jun 14, 2021 8:52 am
  • The only way Seattle will be one of the Top 10 rushing teams is if Shane Waldron puts the Read Option back in the offensive rotation.

    If you go back to the years that Seattle was one of the leading rushing teams, you'll find that Russell's yards were the reason that they were one of the league leaders. Without his yards, they were middle of the road.

    For example, in 2014 Seattle led the league (#1) in rushing with 2762 yards. Russell rushed for 849 yards. Without Wilson's yards, the team would have had a total of 1913 yards, which would have placed them #11 overall.

    Similarly, in 2017, Seattle was #4 overall in rushing with 2188 yards. If you subtract Russell's 539 yards, Seattle would have had a total of 1649 rushing yards... and that total would have dropped them from #4 overall to #21 overall.

    And let's look at 2020 as well. Seattle was #12 overall with 1971 rushing yards. Russell rushed for 513 of those yards. Factoring out Russell's yards would have placed Seattle at #31 overall. That is VERY telling.

    Russell will always have a fair number of rushing attempts because of how long he holds the ball before bailing out of the pocket but his lowest number of attempts in his career thus far is 67 in 2018. His greatest number of attempts is 118 in 2014 and 104 in 2015, which are the years that the RO was in the offensive rotation.
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Re: Lets talk running game.
Mon Jun 14, 2021 12:17 pm
  • You don't need to be successful running the ball for the defense to bite on PA.

    Not sure why people believe this.

    We had guys biting on PA when Homer was in our backfield.

    Wilson can be a fantastic PA passer on a team that doesn't run that often.
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Re: Lets talk running game.
Mon Jun 14, 2021 2:33 pm
  • Chawker wrote:Thats cool Indy,

    Well, answer me this then, will we have a 1000 yard RB in 2021 ? And will we be in the top half league in rushing ?

    I'm asking because if we're going to win a title its going to take a balance on offense that is in the top 10 and a defense in the top 10 too.

    I just dont see it happening at this point.

    Cheers

    I don't see a 1,000 yrd rusher unless one of two stays healthy and to me either
    one can but health is the key.
    I think we will be in top half but depends on health and if Russ doesn't lose
    another step because his QB keepers for good runs help the total.
    On Homer..He was done after week 11 (knee)https://www.rotowire.com/football/player.php?id=13484
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Re: Lets talk running game.
Mon Jun 14, 2021 6:58 pm
  • If we can keep the Russell Wilson feeding in check we will have an effective running game. There are very few on this board that have recognized that the Seahawks were only twenty-fourth in actual rushing attempts. Wilson only had five called runs last season, the rest were all failed pass plays. The run pass splits were poor last season and we paid for it dearly when it came to the playoffs and the team that knows us the best could just tee off on the Russell Wilson show.

    People lament how Carroll wanted to establish the running game in the playoff game, but we only had two rushing attempts in the first quarter. The intellectual dishonesty in this regard is strong.

    With the failure of Let Russ Cook against good defenses, and Carroll correctly pointing out that we need to run more effectively and more, I have high hopes that we will see a return to the Seahawks pushing people around. With an effective running games, comes defensive attitude as well.
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