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Which position is our weakest ?
Fri Jul 09, 2021 2:48 pm
  • Offense ?

    Defense ?

    Its hard for me to tell without watching them first hand. The media still seams to think we need to bring a veteran CB, I still believe at some point our RBs are going need a better number two RB behind Carson.

    Then there is our young LBing core, how are the two young outside LBers going to perform?

    Time is draging by to slowly this off seasom !!! :roll:

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Re: Which position is our weakest ?
Fri Jul 09, 2021 4:12 pm
  • Three weeks until training camp! Hang in there!

    That said, I don't know what position will be our weakest. We seem to have depth everywhere for a change.

    I'll pick CB and LB though, just because I don't know who our week 1 starters will be yet.
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Re: Which position is our weakest ?
Fri Jul 09, 2021 4:34 pm
  • Most of our fan's mental capacity.
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Re: Which position is our weakest ?
Fri Jul 09, 2021 4:40 pm
  • We have vets at CB, just not guys that are superstars, they are mostly young and some high picks, not really worried there, I never listen to the Mediots either, they only know household name players mostly for click bait.

    RB we have depth in Collins and Penny and then 3rd down guys typically also, I think the RB's are going to be used more in delays and slants runs this year with WR clear outs also to take advantage of the speed of everyone not named Collins.

    If there is a position I think it is LB, depth and experience being the issues.
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Re: Which position is our weakest ?
Fri Jul 09, 2021 5:30 pm
  • You guys should listen to our HOF All pro QB, he wisely announced he has no confidence in our coaching shortly after the hiring of our new OC.

    Coaching, is our weakest link.
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Re: Which position is our weakest ?
Fri Jul 09, 2021 6:04 pm
  • OK, right for sure?

    Hearty Whatever toffee? What was the record last season? Who won the Division? How has the coaching record been over the past decade? Many league experts would disagree.

    Your biases are showing.

    Back to the original premise of the thread. My view is Center, 3 Tech ( as ever), and CB are the weak links. CB may not be a problem at all but Pocic is still Pocic and the interior DLine w/o Reid is suspect.
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Re: Which position is our weakest ?
Fri Jul 09, 2021 7:09 pm
  • I agree with center and DT being the weakest positions currently. During the SB runs, the Seahawks had a solid center- Max Unger. Since they traded him, that position has been a weak. DT was suspect with Reed. If they could add Atkins or Short, then they can turn that position into a strength. After that the LB looks weak. Barton and Burr-Kirven are good ST players but neither are consistent playing LB. The rest are largely unproven.
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Re: Which position is our weakest ?
Fri Jul 09, 2021 7:26 pm
  • SAM is a question mark with potential. I think Darrell Taylor has what it takes and Mayowa has played the spot before, but you just don't know until you know.

    I'd have to go with cornerback. DJ Reed and Ahkello Witherspoon is a duo that has the talent to be one of the best in the league, but Ahkello has been inconsistent and DJ Reed is a good starter, but the position has little quality depth.

    IDL has a real chance to take a step back with Reed gone. His sack numbers were overrated. His true value came with his leadership on the line and how he opened things up for the guys around him. If the void he's left is apparent, it could be a huge loss.

    Other than that, I'm high on this roster. If CB and SAM end up producing solid play, and IDL survives sans Reed, this team has everything it takes to go deep in the postseason.
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Which position is our weakest ?
Fri Jul 09, 2021 9:29 pm
  • QB - Wilson has been proven to be super durable thus far, but all it takes is one stoke of bad luck and Geno enters the game. This scares the crap out of me because I don’t believe Geno can win a game for us.


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Re: Which position is our weakest ?
Sat Jul 10, 2021 5:28 am
  • 3T Nkemdiche / Myles Adams / Cedrick Lattimore
    CB Witherspoon / Flowers / Desir
    CB DJ Reed / Brown
    SAM/LEO Taylor

    Need these guys to step up, and hopefully Pocic improves his run blocking.
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Re: Which position is our weakest ?
Sat Jul 10, 2021 10:31 am
  • Pocic was playing next to a lam duck Upoti, now we will see what he can do with Jackson by his side.I think he will shine.
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Re: Which position is our weakest ?
Sat Jul 10, 2021 6:53 pm
  • Defensive Tackle seems to have the least star power amd depth
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Re: Which position is our weakest ?
Sat Jul 10, 2021 9:48 pm
  • Wenhawk wrote:Defensive Tackle seems to have the least star power amd depth


    Myles Adams 67 DT

    Poona Ford 97 DT

    Jarrod Hewitt 62 DT Rookie

    Cedrick Lattimore 75 DT

    Bryan Mone 90 DT

    Robert Nkemdiche 92 DT

    Walter Palmore 64 DT

    Al Woods 93 DT

    Ford, Woods, Mone, Nkemdiche all have played well in their careers, Nkemdiche could be a wrecking ball if his head is on straight, depth of Lattimore who played and the rest are unknowns so far, but we do flip our DE's inside also in Collier and Hyder, Green and Dunlap situationally as well, just remember if you are bringing in NAME guys they probably are injured, at the end of their careers or cost too much.

    Nobody knew Reggie White, Jerome Brown, John Randall, Joe Nash until they made people take notice.

    So big name guys is really a way of saying I don't know $h!t about who we have for most people unless I know the name.
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Re: Which position is our weakest ?
Mon Jul 12, 2021 8:32 am
  • Center
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Re: Which position is our weakest ?
Mon Jul 12, 2021 10:57 am
  • CB for me. We've got some good young aggressive CB's competing for the two starting jobs, but our most experienced CB right now is DJ Reed, and behind him the ever under achieving Tre Flowers.

    So that scares me.
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Re: Which position is our weakest ?
Mon Jul 12, 2021 11:59 am
  • chris98251 wrote:
    Wenhawk wrote:Defensive Tackle seems to have the least star power amd depth


    Myles Adams 67 DT

    Poona Ford 97 DT

    Jarrod Hewitt 62 DT Rookie

    Cedrick Lattimore 75 DT

    Bryan Mone 90 DT

    Robert Nkemdiche 92 DT

    Walter Palmore 64 DT

    Al Woods 93 DT

    Ford, Woods, Mone, Nkemdiche all have played well in their careers, Nkemdiche could be a wrecking ball if his head is on straight, depth of Lattimore who played and the rest are unknowns so far, but we do flip our DE's inside also in Collier and Hyder, Green and Dunlap situationally as well, just remember if you are bringing in NAME guys they probably are injured, at the end of their careers or cost too much.

    Nobody knew Reggie White, Jerome Brown, John Randall, Joe Nash until they made people take notice.

    So big name guys is really a way of saying I don't know $h!t about who we have for most people unless I know the name.


    Star:
    N/A

    Good Starter:
    Poona Ford 97 DT

    Average Starter:
    Al Woods 93 DT
    Bryan Mone 90 DT
    Robert Nkemdiche 92 DT

    Backup:
    Myles Adams 67 DT
    Jarrod Hewitt 62 DT Rookie
    Cedrick Lattimore 75 DT
    Walter Palmore 64 DT
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Re: Which position is our weakest ?
Mon Jul 12, 2021 1:41 pm
  • Corner
    But like someone mentioned, Center is a weakness.
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Re: Which position is our weakest ?
Wed Jul 14, 2021 9:03 pm
  • chris98251 wrote:If there is a position I think it is LB, depth and experience being the issues.

    That could be fixed signing KJ (2.5m) and Irvin (1.5m).
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Re: Which position is our weakest ?
Thu Jul 15, 2021 12:04 am
  • massari wrote:
    chris98251 wrote:If there is a position I think it is LB, depth and experience being the issues.

    That could be fixed signing KJ (2.5m) and Irvin (1.5m).


    Irvin retired
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Re: Which position is our weakest ?
Wed Jul 21, 2021 6:12 am
  • toffee wrote:You guys should listen to our HOF All pro QB, he wisely announced he has no confidence in our coaching shortly after the hiring of our new OC.

    Coaching, is our weakest link.


    Yep.
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Re: Which position is our weakest ?
Wed Jul 21, 2021 7:46 am
  • pittpnthrs wrote:
    massari wrote:
    chris98251 wrote:If there is a position I think it is LB, depth and experience being the issues.

    That could be fixed signing KJ (2.5m) and Irvin (1.5m).


    Irvin retired

    Nope
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Re: Which position is our weakest ?
Wed Jul 21, 2021 8:59 am
  • Center and DT have the least talent, but QB is the position which must improve the most for us to make any noise in the playoffs.
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Re: Which position is our weakest ?
Wed Jul 21, 2021 2:17 pm
  • 3 Tech. Plain and Simple.

    Hence my call to sign Geno Atkins. Another one of those "His measurements aren't good, he doesn't fit the mold, arms are too short" players that tore it up at the East West Shrine game only to fall to the 3rd round.

    Now, years later after several All Pro seasons, he's still available. He was injured last year, but is good to go now, and is buddies with Carlos Dunlap!

    Why isn't he signed? If we sign him, I predict 8.5 sacks, 15 QB hits, 12 TFL on a part time playing basis.
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Re: Which position is our weakest ?
Wed Jul 21, 2021 4:45 pm
  • Not a player, but DC.

    Don't even think it is that close.
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Re: Which position is our weakest ?
Wed Jul 21, 2021 4:58 pm
  • chris98251 wrote:Ford, Woods, Mone, Nkemdiche all have played well in their careers,

    Forgive my ignorance, but when did Nkemdiche play well?
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Re: Which position is our weakest ?
Wed Jul 21, 2021 5:00 pm
  • chris98251 wrote:We have vets at CB, just not guys that are superstars, they are mostly young and some high picks, not really worried there, I never listen to the Mediots either, they only know household name players mostly for click bait.


    Who was a high pick? I'm looking at the depth chart and don't see anyone higher than a 3rd. But I guess I'm just an idiot who falls for click bait.
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Re: Which position is our weakest ?
Wed Jul 21, 2021 7:37 pm
  • Rat wrote:
    chris98251 wrote:We have vets at CB, just not guys that are superstars, they are mostly young and some high picks, not really worried there, I never listen to the Mediots either, they only know household name players mostly for click bait.


    Who was a high pick? I'm looking at the depth chart and don't see anyone higher than a 3rd. But I guess I'm just an idiot who falls for click bait.


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Re: Which position is our weakest ?
Thu Jul 22, 2021 3:52 am
  • massari wrote:
    pittpnthrs wrote:
    massari wrote:
    chris98251 wrote:If there is a position I think it is LB, depth and experience being the issues.

    That could be fixed signing KJ (2.5m) and Irvin (1.5m).


    Irvin retired

    Nope


    My bad. He needs to.
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Re: Which position is our weakest ?
Thu Jul 22, 2021 7:22 am
  • chris98251 wrote:
    Rat wrote:
    chris98251 wrote:We have vets at CB, just not guys that are superstars, they are mostly young and some high picks, not really worried there, I never listen to the Mediots either, they only know household name players mostly for click bait.


    Who was a high pick? I'm looking at the depth chart and don't see anyone higher than a 3rd. But I guess I'm just an idiot who falls for click bait.


    Nkemdiche


    He's not a CB.
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Re: Which position is our weakest ?
Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:42 am
  • ivotuk wrote:3 Tech. Plain and Simple.

    Hence my call to sign Geno Atkins. Another one of those "His measurements aren't good, he doesn't fit the mold, arms are too short" players that tore it up at the East West Shrine game only to fall to the 3rd round.

    Now, years later after several All Pro seasons, he's still available. He was injured last year, but is good to go now, and is buddies with Carlos Dunlap!

    Why isn't he signed? If we sign him, I predict 8.5 sacks, 15 QB hits, 12 TFL on a part time playing basis.


    Hawks will definitely kick the tires on Atkins, especially with the Dunlap relationship.

    I don't think it's strange that he hasn't signed yet, he like most veterans know once camp and pre-season starts injuries will give them more leverage on their one year contracts.
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Re: Which position is our weakest ?
Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:42 am
  • Rat wrote:
    chris98251 wrote:
    Rat wrote:
    chris98251 wrote:We have vets at CB, just not guys that are superstars, they are mostly young and some high picks, not really worried there, I never listen to the Mediots either, they only know household name players mostly for click bait.


    Who was a high pick? I'm looking at the depth chart and don't see anyone higher than a 3rd. But I guess I'm just an idiot who falls for click bait.


    Nkemdiche


    He's not a CB.


    Crossed up reference, still anything 3rd round or higher is considered a higher round pick.
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Re: Which position is our weakest ?
Thu Jul 22, 2021 3:15 pm
  • Don't overlook Bryan Mills, our UDFA CB from NC Central who was only available because his team didn't play any games in 2020 due to Covid. He has great length (6'1" with 32" arms), is very physical in press coverage and has a good attitude. Most of his weaknesses come down to playing at a small school and needing to be coached up on technique, but he's exactly the kind of developmental prospect that the team has done well with.

    We're much better off with a handful of guys like Mills competing over a spot than we are depending on an expensive aging FA who is past their prime to stay healthy.
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Re: Which position is our weakest ?
Thu Jul 22, 2021 3:37 pm
  • AgentDib wrote:We're much better off with a handful of guys like Mills competing over a spot than we are depending on an expensive aging FA who is past their prime to stay healthy.


    I think Pete Carroll agrees with ya.
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Re: Which position is our weakest ?
Thu Jul 22, 2021 3:42 pm
  • toffee wrote:
    AgentDib wrote:We're much better off with a handful of guys like Mills competing over a spot than we are depending on an expensive aging FA who is past their prime to stay healthy.


    I think Pete Carroll agrees with ya.
    .

    Who were Sherman Browner and Kam before they showed up on the field and made their statements?

    Only one anyone had any real understanding of was Earl, and he was too small but fast and was probably looked at as a CB.
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Re: Which position is our weakest ?
Thu Jul 22, 2021 4:36 pm
  • chris98251 wrote:
    toffee wrote:
    AgentDib wrote:We're much better off with a handful of guys like Mills competing over a spot than we are depending on an expensive aging FA who is past their prime to stay healthy.


    I think Pete Carroll agrees with ya.
    .

    Who were Sherman Browner and Kam before they showed up on the field and made their statements?

    Only one anyone had any real understanding of was Earl, and he was too small but fast and was probably looked at as a CB.


    Sometimes we wonder if Pete has lost his touch? He hasn't produced too many defense stars in the past few years, before that anything he touched turned gold.
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Re: Which position is our weakest ?
Thu Jul 22, 2021 7:18 pm
  • toffee wrote:
    chris98251 wrote:
    toffee wrote:
    AgentDib wrote:We're much better off with a handful of guys like Mills competing over a spot than we are depending on an expensive aging FA who is past their prime to stay healthy.


    I think Pete Carroll agrees with ya.
    .

    Who were Sherman Browner and Kam before they showed up on the field and made their statements?

    Only one anyone had any real understanding of was Earl, and he was too small but fast and was probably looked at as a CB.


    Sometimes we wonder if Pete has lost his touch? He hasn't produced too many defense stars in the past few years, before that anything he touched turned gold.


    Tony Dungy had the Tampa two and it was a lock down defense for a while also, it was countered, the league has evolved, players that Pete took were exceptions when he took them, now they are the norm, his scheme is known, to beat it be patient, take the underneath stuff basically a Bill Walsh WCO and get YAC and have a decent running game with pass catching backs.
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Re: Which position is our weakest ?
Fri Jul 23, 2021 4:08 am
  • chris98251 wrote:
    toffee wrote:
    chris98251 wrote:
    toffee wrote:
    I think Pete Carroll agrees with ya.
    .

    Who were Sherman Browner and Kam before they showed up on the field and made their statements?

    Only one anyone had any real understanding of was Earl, and he was too small but fast and was probably looked at as a CB.


    Sometimes we wonder if Pete has lost his touch? He hasn't produced too many defense stars in the past few years, before that anything he touched turned gold.


    Tony Dungy had the Tampa two and it was a lock down defense for a while also, it was countered, the league has evolved, players that Pete took were exceptions when he took them, now they are the norm, his scheme is known, to beat it be patient, take the underneath stuff basically a Bill Walsh WCO and get YAC and have a decent running game with pass catching backs.

    I don't think the vulnerability underneath was indicative of figuring out the defense so much as the decline of Kam Chancellor. With Kam, the middle was just as vulnerable, but also likely to get someone blown up, not infrequently resulting in a turnover. It's hard for a receiver to extend for a pass knowing Kam is lining him up, so that contributed to incompletions as well.
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Re: Which position is our weakest ?
Fri Jul 23, 2021 8:32 am
  • toffee wrote:
    Sometimes we wonder if Pete has lost his touch? He hasn't produced too many defense stars in the past few years, before that anything he touched turned gold.


    Talent and personnel certainly is a part of this equation, but so is the rest of the league figuring out how to crack Pete's cover 3 defense.

    That's the NFL, whatever new flavor there is on both sides of the ball (Tampa 2, west coast, run and shoot, Air Coryell, No huddle Greatest Show on Turf, etc.) All variations of other offenses and defenses that came before through their coaching trees.

    Eventually the smart guys on the other side of the ball figure out how to counteract it.

    So IMO if we're parsing as to why Pete's defensive effectiveness has diminished, #1 is probably talent, but 1A or 2 is his stubbornness to change his defensive and offensive philosophies. It seems like he finally is with the hiring of Waldron and changing up the personnel on his defense to smaller quicker twitch CB's, LB's and a more versatile D-line.

    We'll see if it was too little too late.
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Re: Which position is our weakest ?
Fri Jul 23, 2021 2:21 pm
  • KiwiHawk wrote:
    chris98251 wrote:
    toffee wrote:
    chris98251 wrote:.

    Who were Sherman Browner and Kam before they showed up on the field and made their statements?

    Only one anyone had any real understanding of was Earl, and he was too small but fast and was probably looked at as a CB.


    Sometimes we wonder if Pete has lost his touch? He hasn't produced too many defense stars in the past few years, before that anything he touched turned gold.


    Tony Dungy had the Tampa two and it was a lock down defense for a while also, it was countered, the league has evolved, players that Pete took were exceptions when he took them, now they are the norm, his scheme is known, to beat it be patient, take the underneath stuff basically a Bill Walsh WCO and get YAC and have a decent running game with pass catching backs.

    I don't think the vulnerability underneath was indicative of figuring out the defense so much as the decline of Kam Chancellor. With Kam, the middle was just as vulnerable, but also likely to get someone blown up, not infrequently resulting in a turnover. It's hard for a receiver to extend for a pass knowing Kam is lining him up, so that contributed to incompletions as well.


    Where that is true as well, same could be said For Easley, Atwater, Lott, players that if you went there you upped your life insurance policy first.

    Which brings to question why have we not looked for another Hybrid SS / LB Thumper if it was just about right type of players.
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