Russell Wilson short/ intermediate/ over the middle passes.

Tinamedina · Sep 28, 2021

https://youtu.be/sXnS5nFzydQ

https://youtu.be/L8VokrBEP-Q

Now these videos are on youtube, easily accessible, so why are people still pushing a false narrative?

(the goal post is about to be moved right about now.)

John63 · Sep 29, 2021

Tinamedina":3f7387my said:
https://youtu.be/sXnS5nFzydQ

https://youtu.be/L8VokrBEP-Q

Now these videos are on youtube, easily accessible, so why are people still pushing a false narrative?

(the goal post is about to be moved right about now.)

Nice, add that to the pass charts that have been posted and it is obvious hr can and does. However that will not change their narrative. They don't care about the truth.

chris98251 · Sep 29, 2021

2015 to 2017 Highlights are not representative of his play, they are HIGHLIGHTS !!!!!

Jesus you can find a few Highlights of Spergon Wynn and or Kelly Stouffer also.

John63 · Sep 29, 2021

chris98251":20hyp97e said:
2015 to 2017 Highlights are not representative of his play, they are HIGHLIGHTS !!!!!

Jesus you can find a few Highlights of Spergon Wynn and or Kelly Stouffer also.

Well when the narrative is he never does or can't its irrelevant when and were the vidoe proof comes from. Then again in another thread there was a passing chart from this year showing all his passes Including a lot of short passes.

Tinamedina · Sep 29, 2021

chris98251":bfwiln3k said:
2015 to 2017 Highlights are not representative of his play, they are HIGHLIGHTS !!!!!

Jesus you can find a few Highlights of Spergon Wynn and or Kelly Stouffer also.

1st goal post moved.

JayhawkMike · Sep 29, 2021

Tinamedina":1metjvdg said:
chris98251":1metjvdg said:

2015 to 2017 Highlights are not representative of his play, they are HIGHLIGHTS !!!!!

Jesus you can find a few Highlights of Spergon Wynn and or Kelly Stouffer also.

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1st goal post moved.

A false argument response and not even a good one. You sound like a politician.

Let’s see some numbers or charts from this year instead of 5 year old highlights. Analytics. Advanced stats. Or just admit it is your opinion based on your memory.

RiverDog · Sep 29, 2021

chris98251":2adxjh3s said:
2015 to 2017 Highlights are not representative of his play, they are HIGHLIGHTS !!!!!

Jesus you can find a few Highlights of Spergon Wynn and or Kelly Stouffer also.

Yea, what a joke! I don't necessarily agree or disagree with "the narrative", but can't we get a little more timely evidence if we are to have a discussion about it? If the OP's argument is that strong, then he shouldn't have to reach back that far to find something to support his claim.

Boycie · Sep 29, 2021

I know he is getting up there in age, but when he was at his best, the read option helped him a lot. I know he wants to be a passing QB, but why not add back some of that threat of him keeping the ball taking off?

John63 · Sep 29, 2021

RiverDog":1goo7tvb said:
chris98251":1goo7tvb said:

2015 to 2017 Highlights are not representative of his play, they are HIGHLIGHTS !!!!!

Jesus you can find a few Highlights of Spergon Wynn and or Kelly Stouffer also.

Click to expand...

Yea, what a joke! I don't necessarily agree or disagree with "the narrative", but can't we get a little more timely evidence if we are to have a discussion about it? If the OP's argument is that strong, then he shouldn't have to reach back that far to find something to support his claim.

as I said stats and passing charts have been posted in threads for this year they show he is throwing short so they are there. That said the narrative is he cant does not matter what year if it shows he can then the narrative the cant is wrong.

So this was game 1 and I see 14 attempts that were short.

Maelstrom787 · Sep 29, 2021

John63":1v6kz5et said:
RiverDog":1v6kz5et said:

chris98251":1v6kz5et said:

2015 to 2017 Highlights are not representative of his play, they are HIGHLIGHTS !!!!!

Jesus you can find a few Highlights of Spergon Wynn and or Kelly Stouffer also.

Click to expand...

Yea, what a joke! I don't necessarily agree or disagree with "the narrative", but can't we get a little more timely evidence if we are to have a discussion about it? If the OP's argument is that strong, then he shouldn't have to reach back that far to find something to support his claim.

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as I said stats and passing charts have been posted in threads for this year they show he is throwing short so they are there. That said the narrative is he cant does not matter what year if it shows he can then the narrative the cant is wrong.

So this was game 1 and I see 14 attempts that were short.

What do you notice about the big red box in the chart you posted there, champ?

OrangeGravy · Sep 29, 2021

Maelstrom787":3hgm2t4k said:
John63":3hgm2t4k said:

RiverDog":3hgm2t4k said:

chris98251":3hgm2t4k said:

2015 to 2017 Highlights are not representative of his play, they are HIGHLIGHTS !!!!!

Jesus you can find a few Highlights of Spergon Wynn and or Kelly Stouffer also.

Click to expand...

Yea, what a joke! I don't necessarily agree or disagree with "the narrative", but can't we get a little more timely evidence if we are to have a discussion about it? If the OP's argument is that strong, then he shouldn't have to reach back that far to find something to support his claim.

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as I said stats and passing charts have been posted in threads for this year they show he is throwing short so they are there. That said the narrative is he cant does not matter what year if it shows he can then the narrative the cant is wrong.

So this was game 1 and I see 14 attempts that were short.

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What do you notice about the big red box in the chart you posted there, champ?

Really. Short and outside isn't a problem doesn't QB. Why do people think most play callers for Rookie and younger QB call a lot of pass plays outside the numbers? It's an easier read and safer. Throwing the outside at or near the LOS i isn't part of the discussion

John63 · Sep 29, 2021

Maelstrom787":3uluoi90 said:
John63":3uluoi90 said:

RiverDog":3uluoi90 said:

chris98251":3uluoi90 said:

2015 to 2017 Highlights are not representative of his play, they are HIGHLIGHTS !!!!!

Jesus you can find a few Highlights of Spergon Wynn and or Kelly Stouffer also.

Click to expand...

Yea, what a joke! I don't necessarily agree or disagree with "the narrative", but can't we get a little more timely evidence if we are to have a discussion about it? If the OP's argument is that strong, then he shouldn't have to reach back that far to find something to support his claim.

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as I said stats and passing charts have been posted in threads for this year they show he is throwing short so they are there. That said the narrative is he cant does not matter what year if it shows he can then the narrative the cant is wrong.

So this was game 1 and I see 14 attempts that were short.

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What do you notice about the big red box in the chart you posted there, champ?

Okay so he did not throw to that specific area of the middle so what. What do you notice literally right on the light champ?

I mean are we going to be that pathetic that we are going to say yeah he through short and long of over the but this one patch of 5-10 yards he did not so he cant. Also, that is only 1 game. DO you even know if any routes were run in that area? were they open? pathetic. Also FYI did you notice the blue TD one that is right in the box you are talking about. champ

John63 · Sep 29, 2021

OrangeGravy":3jmbxpo0 said:
Maelstrom787":3jmbxpo0 said:

John63":3jmbxpo0 said:

RiverDog":3jmbxpo0 said:

Yea, what a joke! I don't necessarily agree or disagree with "the narrative", but can't we get a little more timely evidence if we are to have a discussion about it? If the OP's argument is that strong, then he shouldn't have to reach back that far to find something to support his claim.

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as I said stats and passing charts have been posted in threads for this year they show he is throwing short so they are there. That said the narrative is he cant does not matter what year if it shows he can then the narrative the cant is wrong.

So this was game 1 and I see 14 attempts that were short.

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What do you notice about the big red box in the chart you posted there, champ?

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Really. Short and outside isn't a problem doesn't QB. Why do people think most play callers for Rookie and younger QB call a lot of pass plays outside the numbers? It's an easier read and safer. Throwing the outside at or near the LOS i isn't part of the discussion

"keep in mind that the Seahawks are a red line team." as was brought to my attention by another poster and PC wrote a book where he make sit clear why we like to pass to the sidelines.

https://www.bigcatcountry.com/2014/8/5/5959491/jaguars-practice-redline-seahawks-pete-carroll

chris98251 · Sep 29, 2021

Your choosing to be obtuse, showing the red box is a lack of using like 65 percent of the field, from sideline to sideline and within 40 yards of the line of scrimmage, he doesn't throw over the middle in the intermediate game.

That has been the argument, that has been his fault and still is whether he can or not doesn't matter, what matters is he doesn't do it.

So you can stack the box, play inside out and under over coverage of your receivers and just about ignore decoy routes in the middle.

The offense was designed to use all levels and routes, Wilson chooses to use a handful.

What a easy guy to defend.

Maelstrom787 · Sep 29, 2021

John63":16u555mw said:
Maelstrom787":16u555mw said:

John63":16u555mw said:

RiverDog":16u555mw said:

Yea, what a joke! I don't necessarily agree or disagree with "the narrative", but can't we get a little more timely evidence if we are to have a discussion about it? If the OP's argument is that strong, then he shouldn't have to reach back that far to find something to support his claim.

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as I said stats and passing charts have been posted in threads for this year they show he is throwing short so they are there. That said the narrative is he cant does not matter what year if it shows he can then the narrative the cant is wrong.

So this was game 1 and I see 14 attempts that were short.

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What do you notice about the big red box in the chart you posted there, champ?

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Okay so he did not throw to that specific area of the middle so what. What do you notice literally right on the light champ?

I mean are we going to be that pathetic that we are going to say yeah he through short and long of over the but this one patch of 5-10 yards he did not so he cant. Also, that is only 1 game. DO you even know if any routes were run in that area? were they open? pathetic. Also FYI did you notice the blue TD one that is right in the box you are talking about. champ

This is a garbage thread with a 5-6 year old highlight reel submitted as proof against THREE separate areas that Russ has been criticized over - looking off short passes, looking off intermediate passes, and above all, looking off passes over the middle of the field.

If one is going to post supporting charts, they probably shouldn't show a MASSIVE CHASM in the intermediate middle of the field.

Now, redirecting to short passes: There are multiple issues that Russ has traditionally had when passing short, his placement and accuracy being one of them. He's throwing them at a higher frequency with Waldron really focusing heavily on short and screen passes.

This does nothing to argue against the well-observed notion that Russell is a relatively weak passer in the short game and has traditionally had a blind spot over the intermediate middle of the field.

Maelstrom787 · Sep 29, 2021

John63":2uzfvtpb said:
OrangeGravy":2uzfvtpb said:

Maelstrom787":2uzfvtpb said:

John63":2uzfvtpb said:

as I said stats and passing charts have been posted in threads for this year they show he is throwing short so they are there. That said the narrative is he cant does not matter what year if it shows he can then the narrative the cant is wrong.

So this was game 1 and I see 14 attempts that were short.

Click to expand...

What do you notice about the big red box in the chart you posted there, champ?

Click to expand...

Really. Short and outside isn't a problem doesn't QB. Why do people think most play callers for Rookie and younger QB call a lot of pass plays outside the numbers? It's an easier read and safer. Throwing the outside at or near the LOS i isn't part of the discussion

Click to expand...

"keep in mind that the Seahawks are a red line team." as was brought to my attention by another poster and PC wrote a book where he make sit clear why we like to pass to the sidelines.

https://www.bigcatcountry.com/2014/8/5/5959491/jaguars-practice-redline-seahawks-pete-carroll

This is a 7 year old post by a Jaguars blog. I mean, this is almost parody at this point.

OrangeGravy · Sep 29, 2021

Maelstrom787":p8pgl1wf said:
John63":p8pgl1wf said:

OrangeGravy":p8pgl1wf said:

Maelstrom787":p8pgl1wf said:

What do you notice about the big red box in the chart you posted there, champ?

Click to expand...

Really. Short and outside isn't a problem doesn't QB. Why do people think most play callers for Rookie and younger QB call a lot of pass plays outside the numbers? It's an easier read and safer. Throwing the outside at or near the LOS i isn't part of the discussion

Click to expand...

"keep in mind that the Seahawks are a red line team." as was brought to my attention by another poster and PC wrote a book where he make sit clear why we like to pass to the sidelines.

https://www.bigcatcountry.com/2014/8/5/5959491/jaguars-practice-redline-seahawks-pete-carroll

Click to expand...

This is a 7 year old post by a Jaguars blog. I mean, this is almost parody at this point.

John63 · Sep 29, 2021

chris98251":1g4un626 said:
Your choosing to be obtuse, showing the red box is a lack of using like 65 percent of the field, from sideline to sideline and within 40 yards of the line of scrimmage, he doesn't throw over the middle in the intermediate game.

That has been the argument, that has been his fault and still is whether he can or not doesn't matter, what matters is he doesn't do it.

So you can stack the box, play inside out and under over coverage of your receivers and just about ignore decoy routes in the middle.

The offense was designed to use all levels and routes, Wilson chooses to use a handful.

What a easy guy to defend.

well, first the chart shows he has used those areas although in that game, not a lot. and the link shows why and it is a PC thing. 2nd if he is so easy to defend then how come he is always in the tops in most passing categories year after year? The answer is he is far from easy to defend. Also, links have been shown showing even in years past he has used short and intermediate and loves the middle. So it seems to me you guys keep moving the goal post and hoping eventually you will be right. Let me help you he does not use the 1 centimeter right in front of the center to pass to. Does that help? because the reality is the narrative has been proven wrong.

John63 · Sep 29, 2021

OrangeGravy":dfn0opmc said:
Maelstrom787":dfn0opmc said:

John63":dfn0opmc said:

OrangeGravy":dfn0opmc said:

Really. Short and outside isn't a problem doesn't QB. Why do people think most play callers for Rookie and younger QB call a lot of pass plays outside the numbers? It's an easier read and safer. Throwing the outside at or near the LOS i isn't part of the discussion

Click to expand...

"keep in mind that the Seahawks are a red line team." as was brought to my attention by another poster and PC wrote a book where he make sit clear why we like to pass to the sidelines.

https://www.bigcatcountry.com/2014/8/5/5959491/jaguars-practice-redline-seahawks-pete-carroll

Click to expand...

This is a 7 year old post by a Jaguars blog. I mean, this is almost parody at this point.

Click to expand...

Did you read the post? of course not. It is also in PCs book and so what if it was x years ago nothing has changed that is what PC wants.

Some of you have complained about this so-called not throwing over the middle for ways so now you know why they don't do it much.

Now you can handle the truth that is your problem. BUt the facts clearly show he has thrown over middle both short and intermediate, and while he does not do it a lot the facts also who that is a PC thing.

Also, try reading the post if you can.

John63 · Sep 29, 2021

Here is one from last year

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EnPaVgjVEAAztE_?format=jpg&name=small

Now you want to say he does not do it enough for you...fine not that anyone cares what you want. But to say he can't or does not is a lie.

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