Trrrroy wrote:Where is all this Defilippo hype from?

They just won the super bowl and led the NFC in offense

But it was mainly because of Doug Pederson not Defilippo

Honestly, he could be third on the Eagles offensive credit train behind Pederson and Reich.

The hype behind that guy is about as out of control as it gets. He's proven NOTHING.

Trrrroy wrote:Where is all this Defilippo hype from?

Hsu disciples.

Crizilla wrote:

Trrrroy wrote:Where is all this Defilippo hype from?

They just won the super bowl and led the NFC in offense

But it was mainly because of Doug Pederson not Defilippo

It's both.

Pederson and Defilippo have installed a dynamic creative offensive scheme for the Eagles...........and we saw it in full display in the SB.

Against a team btw that is practically impossible to trick and misdirect, especially in game.

So not hard to believe that Defilippo is a hot commodity right now.

You'd have to think it was more Pederson and Reich than Defillipo. I'm sure he's involved, but he's not the OC and he's not calling plays.

Sgt. Largent wrote:

Crizilla wrote:

Trrrroy wrote:Where is all this Defilippo hype from?

They just won the super bowl and led the NFC in offense

But it was mainly because of Doug Pederson not Defilippo

It's both.

Pederson and Defilippo have installed a dynamic creative offensive scheme for the Eagles...........and we saw it in full display in the SB.

Against a team btw that is practically impossible to trick and misdirect, especially in game.

So not hard to believe that Defilippo is a hot commodity right now.

Throw in Cris Collinsworth, who starts foaming at the mouth about "great play-calling" whenever a QB completes a pass. I swear, outside of Romo, color commentators are the worst thing about the game right now.

Where did all the Schottenheimer hype come from?

He’s not the previous goober so he’s an improvement without doing anything.

NJlargent wrote:Where did all the Schottenheimer hype come from?

He led the Toronto Bears to a 24-10 record last year. Put a guy through a table when he dropped a pass and then chugged Dr. Pepper.

NJlargent wrote:Maybe DeFilippo saw our OL and the regression and decided he would wait for another team. Not that I would choose the Vikings with the QB situation.

You make it sound like he spurned the Hawks. Do we even know if the Hawks were interested and even contacted him?

And sometimes you can't just wait around. The fans have no idea if the Hawks attempted to contact them. A bunch of other teams passed on the guy. But if the Hawks do it, somehow that means they are clueless

All these comments mean nothing right now. We hired Schotty , they hired DeFilippo. The season hasn't even started , let's give him a chance to prove himself. First of all , let's hope that all our players we'll be healthy and good things are ahead of us. (I'm not concerned about OC issue , but more like our RB issue + cap space issue)

Seanhawk wrote:

NJlargent wrote:Maybe DeFilippo saw our OL and the regression and decided he would wait for another team. Not that I would choose the Vikings with the QB situation.

You make it sound like he spurned the Hawks. Do we even know if the Hawks were interested and even contacted him?

We probably did not even contact him. My statement was in response to a post that suggested we made a mistake in taking Schottenheimer over DeFilippo. Now if we could have hired him, then perhaps it was a mistake but who knows.

Seanhawk wrote:

NJlargent wrote:Maybe DeFilippo saw our OL and the regression and decided he would wait for another team. Not that I would choose the Vikings with the QB situation.

You make it sound like he spurned the Hawks. Do we even know if the Hawks were interested and even contacted him?

I doubt it, Pete likes his coordinators to be yes men, and not so much independent thinkers that don't go with his philosophies and schemes.

I have no idea if Schottenheimer will do well, or not.............but if people think they're going to see some drastic scheme change away from how Bevell called games? Nope, this is Pete's team, Brian's going to playcall how Pete wants him to, just as Bevell did.

My guess is Defilippo would have wanted more autonomy.

Sgt. Largent wrote:

Seanhawk wrote:

NJlargent wrote:Maybe DeFilippo saw our OL and the regression and decided he would wait for another team. Not that I would choose the Vikings with the QB situation.

You make it sound like he spurned the Hawks. Do we even know if the Hawks were interested and even contacted him?

I doubt it, Pete likes his coordinators to be yes men, and not so much independent thinkers that don't go with his philosophies and schemes.

I have no idea if Schottenheimer will do well, or not.............but if people think they're going to see some drastic scheme change away from how Bevell called games? Nope, this is Pete's team, Brian's going to playcall how Pete wants him to, just as Bevell did.

My guess is Defilippo would have wanted more autonomy.

LOL, What an imagination.
Where do you guys come up with this "Yes Men" crap?
You do understand what the word "Coordinator" means, right?

scutterhawk wrote:

Sgt. Largent wrote:

Seanhawk wrote:

NJlargent wrote:Maybe DeFilippo saw our OL and the regression and decided he would wait for another team. Not that I would choose the Vikings with the QB situation.

You make it sound like he spurned the Hawks. Do we even know if the Hawks were interested and even contacted him?

I doubt it, Pete likes his coordinators to be yes men, and not so much independent thinkers that don't go with his philosophies and schemes.

I have no idea if Schottenheimer will do well, or not.............but if people think they're going to see some drastic scheme change away from how Bevell called games? Nope, this is Pete's team, Brian's going to playcall how Pete wants him to, just as Bevell did.

My guess is Defilippo would have wanted more autonomy.

LOL, What an imagination.
Where do you guys come up with this "Yes Men" crap?
You do understand what the word "Coordinator" means, right?

Yes, it's an assistant football coach who works with his players, head coach and QB to scheme and playcall. Some coordinators are autonomous and have the full faith of their HC to scheme and playcall, and some are more dependent upon their head coach for direction and philosophy....................THAT'S who Pete hires, thus why 90% of the time he hires within his own coaching tree. Control and familiarity.

Tomorrow we'll discuss how yellow and blue make green.

And? How many head coaches don't want to do things their way?

Sgt. Largent wrote:

scutterhawk wrote:

Sgt. Largent wrote:

Seanhawk wrote:
You make it sound like he spurned the Hawks. Do we even know if the Hawks were interested and even contacted him?

I doubt it, Pete likes his coordinators to be yes men, and not so much independent thinkers that don't go with his philosophies and schemes.

I have no idea if Schottenheimer will do well, or not.............but if people think they're going to see some drastic scheme change away from how Bevell called games? Nope, this is Pete's team, Brian's going to playcall how Pete wants him to, just as Bevell did.

My guess is Defilippo would have wanted more autonomy.

LOL, What an imagination.
Where do you guys come up with this "Yes Men" crap?
You do understand what the word "Coordinator" means, right?

Yes, it's an assistant football coach who works with his players, head coach and QB to scheme and playcall. Some coordinators are autonomous and have the full faith of their HC to scheme and playcall, and some are more dependent upon their head coach for direction and philosophy....................THAT'S who Pete hires, thus why 90% of the time he hires within his own coaching tree. Control and familiarity.

Tomorrow we'll discuss how yellow and blue make green.

Coaching Tree Smoaching Tree, Just saying it's so, doesn't make it so, that's alternative reality.
I'll put it another way, Pete doesn't need his Coaches to GO OFF SCRIPT, his expertise is in Defense, so he relies on his OC's to shape offensive strategies, LEANING HEAVILY on producing a decent Run Game, but that doesn't mean that he's completely relinquishing some say in how he wants his Coordinators to work out the bugs, NOR does it imply that he's a control freak, needing to be surrounded by "Yes Men".

Pete dictates what kind of offense he wants, ball control, run heavy, eat chunks of time and then take shots downfield to get a score once they cheat up to stop the run.

He favored the ZBS scheme, our implementation sucked under Cable, doesn't mean the variant won't still be there but with a power aspect to it which we had but for some reason refused to use.

That's what he is going to tell Schotty, what Schotty does to incorporate that mantra is going to be up to him. But he will have to incorporate it.

scutterhawk wrote:Coaching Tree Smoaching Tree, Just saying it's so, doesn't make it so, that's alternative reality.
I'll put it another way, Pete doesn't need his Coaches to GO OFF SCRIPT, his expertise is in Defense, so he relies on his OC's to shape offensive strategies, LEANING HEAVILY on producing a decent Run Game, but that doesn't mean that he's completely relinquishing some say in how he wants his Coordinators to work out the bugs, NOR does it imply that he's a control freak, needing to be surrounded by "Yes Men".

We're saying the same thing, it's just that you don't like the phrase "yes man."

What do you think Pete's doing this off season by cleaning his coordinator house and replacing all these guys with either coaches he already knows, or in Schottenheimer's case, a coach Rex Ryan is on record as saying he'd do whatever he wanted him to do?

Pete's taking control back over the entire scheme, on both sides of the ball. Thus "yes man"...........as in run the offense how I want it run.

scutterhawk wrote:

Sgt. Largent wrote:

Seanhawk wrote:

NJlargent wrote:Maybe DeFilippo saw our OL and the regression and decided he would wait for another team. Not that I would choose the Vikings with the QB situation.

You make it sound like he spurned the Hawks. Do we even know if the Hawks were interested and even contacted him?

I doubt it, Pete likes his coordinators to be yes men, and not so much independent thinkers that don't go with his philosophies and schemes.

I have no idea if Schottenheimer will do well, or not.............but if people think they're going to see some drastic scheme change away from how Bevell called games? Nope, this is Pete's team, Brian's going to playcall how Pete wants him to, just as Bevell did.

My guess is Defilippo would have wanted more autonomy.

LOL, What an imagination.
Where do you guys come up with this "Yes Men" crap?
You do understand what the word "Coordinator" means, right?

This. I don’t think Pete is the micromanager that some think, want, or need him to be.
I think he has a general sense of what he wants in his team. Run the ball well and play great defense.

Nah, fans know exactly how Pete wants to run things, how he thinks and what he demands.

"
NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reports the Eagles have "no immediate plans to hire an offensive coordinator."

Coach Doug Pederson has run the offense since arriving in Philadelphia, but Frank Reich had the coordinator title. With Reich gone, RBs coach Duce Staley and WRs coach Mike Groh were believed to be the favorites for a promotion, but it looks like the Eagles will leave the position open. With Reich and ex-QBs coach John DeFilippo out the door, both Staley and Groh will have much more on their plates moving forward even if they are not given an official promotion."

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/688/duce-staley

Interesting insight into the Eagles offense. Looks like Pederson really is/was the brainchild of the Eagles offense. They may not even hire an OC. Will be really interesting to see how Reich and DeFilppo do making their own way.

Pederson ran the offense that had variations of the WCO, Reich came from the K Gun, two very adept offenses, will be interesting to see what he brings, I think he will be successful if he gets the pieces he needs put into place.

Sports Hernia wrote:

scutterhawk wrote:

Sgt. Largent wrote:

Seanhawk wrote:
You make it sound like he spurned the Hawks. Do we even know if the Hawks were interested and even contacted him?

I doubt it, Pete likes his coordinators to be yes men, and not so much independent thinkers that don't go with his philosophies and schemes.

I have no idea if Schottenheimer will do well, or not.............but if people think they're going to see some drastic scheme change away from how Bevell called games? Nope, this is Pete's team, Brian's going to playcall how Pete wants him to, just as Bevell did.

My guess is Defilippo would have wanted more autonomy.

LOL, What an imagination.
Where do you guys come up with this "Yes Men" crap?
You do understand what the word "Coordinator" means, right?

This. I don’t think Pete is the micromanager that some think, want, or need him to be.
I think he has a general sense of what he wants in his team. Run the ball well and play great defense.

Exactly
IF things are running smoothly, his coordinators are most likely given free rein.
Like yourself, I too believe that he's no micromanager, though I do think that If $h!t starts derailing, and because he is the HEAD COACH, I do believe that he might offer up some advice to getting back on track...That's what ALL good Head Coaches are suppose to do.
What I'm hearing with this "Yes Man" garbage, is that under Pete Carroll, there will be NO independence, NO freethinkers, or individuality, which kind of sounds like that's what some are trying to sell... Sorry, but I ain't buyin'.

scutterhawk wrote:Exactly
IF things are running smoothly, his coordinators are most likely given free rein.
Like yourself, I too believe that he's no micromanager, though I do think that If $h!t starts derailing, and because he is the HEAD COACH, I do believe that he might offer up some advice to getting back on track...That's what ALL good Head Coaches are suppose to do.
What I'm hearing with this "Yes Man" garbage, is that under Pete Carroll, there will be NO independence, NO freethinkers, or individuality, which kind of sounds like that's what some are trying to sell... Sorry, but I ain't buyin'.

You don't have to go to the extreme to make your point, there is a gray area where most things exist............and that's what I'm talking about.

Of course Pete isn't going to be some sort of playcalling overlord not allowing Brian any freedom whatsoever. But make no mistake, just as he did with Bevell, Schottenheimer will have to work the offense within the scheme and philosophy that Pete wants............and that is a ball control pound the rock and use Russell's play action.

This entire conversation started as to why we hired Schottenheimer instead of Defilippo, and I'm telling you guys why. Because Schottenheimer is more pliable and doesn't have a problem not being an autonomous playcaller, because he has to run the offense how Pete wants it run.

And that means someone like Defilippo who's ready to take the next step into a more dynamic creative scheme with more playcalling authority would not be a good fit here.

Sgt. Largent wrote:

scutterhawk wrote:Exactly
IF things are running smoothly, his coordinators are most likely given free rein.
Like yourself, I too believe that he's no micromanager, though I do think that If $h!t starts derailing, and because he is the HEAD COACH, I do believe that he might offer up some advice to getting back on track...That's what ALL good Head Coaches are suppose to do.
What I'm hearing with this "Yes Man" garbage, is that under Pete Carroll, there will be NO independence, NO freethinkers, or individuality, which kind of sounds like that's what some are trying to sell... Sorry, but I ain't buyin'.

You don't have to go to the extreme to make your point, there is a gray area where most things exist............and that's what I'm talking about.

Of course Pete isn't going to be some sort of playcalling overlord not allowing Brian any freedom whatsoever. But make no mistake, just as he did with Bevell, Schottenheimer will have to work the offense within the scheme and philosophy that Pete wants............and that is a ball control pound the rock and use Russell's play action.

This entire conversation started as to why we hired Schottenheimer instead of Defilippo, and I'm telling you guys why. Because Schottenheimer is more pliable and doesn't have a problem not being an autonomous playcaller, because he has to run the offense how Pete wants it run.

And that means someone like Defilippo who's ready to take the next step into a more dynamic creative scheme with more playcalling authority would not be a good fit here.

Look Sarge, this is no skin off my teeth, (dentures) but When I read where someone/someone's is/are LABELING one of Pete's new coach hires as a "Yes Men" ( an insult), I feel obliged to correct the misnomer/mistake, eh?
I have my doubts that DeFilippo could or would have offered up ANY kind of guarantee for success.
There are SOOOOOO many name droppers in here that can be, and OFTEN ARE mistaken.
Some people like firing out their whazooo, even when they are shooting blanks.

Keep in mind that when Pederson's got hired, you could say the same thing about him as some here are saying about DeFillipo: Andy Reid was the mastermimd behind the KC offense. Pederson runs a very similar system and he innovated on top of it and it was fantastic.

The same can be said of DeFillipo. There was an article about how he approached reworking the offense with Foles where he talked about sitting down with Nick, Doug, and Frank and he asked Nick what he was most comfortable with and they went from there. He was clearly very involved with the offense and I'm sure he learned a lot from Pederson.

adeltaY wrote:Keep in mind that when Pederson's got hired, you could say the same thing about him as some here are saying about DeFillipo: Andy Reid was the mastermimd behind the KC offense. Pederson runs a very similar system and he innovated on top of it and it was fantastic.

The same can be said of DeFillipo. There was an article about how he approached reworking the offense with Foles where he talked about sitting down with Nick, Doug, and Frank and he asked Nick what he was most comfortable with and they went from there. He was clearly very involved with the offense and I'm sure he learned a lot from Pederson.

Reich is going to run a K gun, no huddle and QB calls the shots on the field. Go back and watch Jim Kelly and the Bills, it will be updated with some modification but that's what it will be, not the spring no huddle of Chip Kelly.

Props to him. Game against TB was a pleasure to watch. I think as well that this was his best game of the year , but i want to see more from him. A great game won't define him as great coach. This offense is #4 in yrd/g , #6 in pts/g and #5 in total pts (unreal) and Flash hasn't even joined our squad (let's hope he stays healthy). Though it seems like D is our problem , when last years it was O. Like i said this guy should get props , even if RW has been THE major key in the O.

That was maybe his best game all year. He called a hell of a game.

indeed , and it seems he knows how to use TEs unlike Bevell. Imagine having Graham under Scotty (but i prefer Will, he's such a great TE).

I was a bit worried yesterday with his play calling. Glad Eagles were crap at the first.

Those 4th down calls were really really bad...

rcaido wrote:Those 4th down calls were really really bad...

The first one would have been a touchdown had DK made his block.


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As I've said before. Look around the league, and I think you will find that most offensive coordinators are hated.

Schottenheimer is a gem, but he isn't perfect. Hard to argue that he hasn't helped unlock much of the potential of the offense, though.

rcaido wrote:Those 4th down calls were really really bad...

I had not issue with the calls....or even the plays that were called. However, the play execution was horrid on both plays.

IMHO, Horrible play calls on the 2 4th down failures and if you are that indecisive and take so long getting the play in that you have to call a timeout, just kick the damn field goal.

The OC and Pete are falling back into old bad habits and into their “default modes” which while comfortable, is not a good thing.

I’m starting to think Carroll and Schottenheimer intentionally call bad plays just to “test” the probability of their success.

I mean if we know they are bad plays, why can’t they?

Sports Hernia wrote:IMHO, Horrible play calls on the 2 4th down failures and if you are that indecisive and take so long getting the play in that you have to call a timeout, just kick the damn field goal.

The OC and Pete are falling back into old bad habits and into their “default modes” which while comfortable, is not a good thing.

I just said pretty much the same in another thread.

Is it time for him to go ?? Or Pete is messing around and doesn't let Scotty do his job? I really don't know what to think. We started so good... Great offense and since then we were average. What are your thoughts ?

pinksheets wrote:lmao

I stand by this initial reaction.