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O-Line
Thu Jan 16, 2020 1:04 pm
  • I started a D-Line thread and it's appropriate for an OL one.

    FA. we have Fant, Ifedi, Hunt, Iupati.

    Britt is coming off a serious ACL and is slated for 9 million on his next year.

    So basically this entire unit save for Fluker and Brown are in in some sort of transition.

    This is a huge concern because on both sides of the ball the Hawks were almost dead last.

    I think Fant is too valuable to let go, but he has expressed he wants to start at LT for someone.
    Britt may not even be available up to Camp and Hunt was blown backwards more than a $20 who** in Bangkok.
    Iupati is a broken dude.
    Ifedi?...what can you say after 5 years?

    Fortunately, there are good options in the upcoming draft in the middle rounds for G, and earlier on there are some very good Centers. I think the Hawks need to draft at these spots. Even Pocic has been unreliable with injuries. A total upgrade across the line is needed.
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Re: O-Line
Thu Jan 16, 2020 1:26 pm
  • Re-sign Fant, start him at Right Tackle, and promise him Left Tackle once Duane is done. I feel pretty strongly that D Brown will retire after 2020. He's had some injuries, albeit minor ones, lately. He's getting up there, but, he's still playing at a high level. So I think 2020 will be a great year for him, but I'm predicting that some team success, and minor injuries will cause him to consider his future next year.

    Keep Joey Hunt, an economical, functional backup for Guard and Center.

    Extend Justin Britt, bring his 2020 and future hits down some with a signing bonus. I don't want to go through another new Center when the rest of the line could be in flux.

    Keep Ethan Pocic who is currently on IR

    Keep Fluker. He played well, and was available most of the time.

    Jamarco Jones, Left Guard. He can also fill in at Left Tackle in an emergency

    Phil Haynes at Guard

    Creature Man, Jordan Roos at guard

    Draft/Sign a Left Tackle Prospect and Guard.

    Don't forget Tight Ends in this equation.

    Re-up Luke Willson! That guy is INVALUABLE as a blocker, pass catcher, and all around team mate!

    Jacob Hollister, what a STEAL this guy was!

    Will Dissly, no brainer. LOVE this man.

    Swoopes on the Practice Squad

    Draft/Sign a "young" Tight End, or an Offensive Lineman/Tight End Hybrid like George Fant or Gary Gilliam...OR Jason Peters.

    Cut/Drop: Iupati, and Ed Dickson. Dickson is a great guy, great talent, but he's 32 years old and has a horrible injury history the past 3 years!

    Considerations:

    Jordan Simmons on IR. Has injury history, but deserves a look this year.
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Re: O-Line
Thu Jan 16, 2020 2:01 pm
  • We need to and always draft OL and we should.

    Logan Stenberg is a huge mauling guard available in the draft. 3rd round grade. He could be an anchor for many years.

    Solomon Kindley of Georgia declared, and he is a stud. If we could get those 2 in the draft we are set at G for years to come.

    Both are mid round grades.
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Re: O-Line
Thu Jan 16, 2020 2:16 pm
  • Drafting OL is huge this year. It's a draft strength outside of tackle and the Hawks need new young players (obviously).
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Re: O-Line
Thu Jan 16, 2020 2:29 pm
  • Anyone that has watched the Hawks for many years has to ask themselves, why does our O-Line suck?...After almost 50 years of fandom and this has been a question. Even in 2005 when we had Walter Jones and Hutch on the left side and Tobeck at C.

    This is always a problem.

    With RW as QB, its not so much on the OL for pass plays because he is so mobile. BUT having said that, when you have a guy like Ifedi who has 5 years in that position and knowing Russ' tendencies why does he consintently stink?

    Well, maybe he doesn't because of that. RW may NEVER have a top tier OL because of his skill set and our offense.

    Either way, we need road graters with nasty attitudes. It's who we are.
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Re: O-Line
Thu Jan 16, 2020 4:21 pm
  • [quote="Largent80"]Anyone that has watched the Hawks for many years has to ask themselves, why does our O-Line suck?...After almost 50 years of fandom and this has been a question. Even in 2005 when we had Walter Jones and Hutch on the left side and Tobeck at C.

    This is always a problem.

    With RW as QB, its not so much on the OL for pass plays because he is so mobile. BUT having said that, when you have a guy like Ifedi who has 5 years in that position and knowing Russ' tendencies why does he consintently stink?

    Well, maybe he doesn't because of that. RW may NEVER have a top tier OL because of his skill set and our offense.

    Either way, we need road graters with nasty attitudes. It's who we are.[/quote]

    It's who we want to be
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Re: O-Line
Thu Jan 16, 2020 4:39 pm
  • Cesar Ruiz is a stud for center. We need to draft one for the future.
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Re: O-Line
Fri Jan 17, 2020 12:33 am
  • Two months ago I expected a huge turnover. Since then I have revised my opinion for a couple of reasons.

    1) Brown coming back so quickly after knee surgery shows that he is still very motivated to play. Unless we decide to give the position to Fant then I think Brown continues for us in 2020.

    2) Britt's injury and recovery makes it much more viable that we could renegotiate his 2020 number, particularly in the form of some sort of extension. Pat Kirwan's mantra was that you only ask players to take pay cuts if you are prepared to immediately cut them if they say no. Britt probably wouldn't make more on the open market this off-season than he could make here even with a lower number.

    3) Jones and Haynes looked OK in the interior in limited play and Simmons will be coming off IR. Even Pocic could still have some promise given he was apparently playing through the core injury that ultimately sent him back to IR.

    I think we will keep adding pieces but that our current squad and depth is reasonably OK when it comes to pass protection. It was the run blocking that really depended on Iupati - Britt - Fluker being healthy inside and fell off without Iupati and Britt (and our RBs). I expect one of our picks to be a big run blocking guard to compete for a starting position at LG.
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Re: O-Line
Fri Jan 17, 2020 6:39 am
  • Other than Brown who will be 35 next season ; there is not even one indispensable O-lineman on the roster at this time .
    I hope that they rebuild that OL with players that are good to great @ pass protection ; but that would mean a change in offensive philosophy by Carroll . Do I think that happens ? Nope
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Re: O-Line
Fri Jan 17, 2020 7:23 am
  • Get Britt to take a pay cut

    Draft a T, C and G if good talent is there

    LT Brown / draft pick
    LG cheap FA vet (Iupati?) / Haynes / draft pick
    C Britt / Pocic / draft pick
    RG Fluker / Jones / Simmons
    RT Fant

    Hunt and Roos can get one last shot in the pre-season.
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Re: O-Line
Fri Jan 17, 2020 1:24 pm
  • I found this write up.......Logan Stenberg (G, Kentucky)
    He’s a pancake machine who dominates opponents with extreme physicality. I’ve not seen a guard manhandle blockers like Stenberg in a long time. He connects, locks-on and drives defender’s off the ball. He’s a punishing finisher and will hammer opponents to the turf, judo-toss them to the ground or plough them off the LOS.

    He’s a pure finisher who sets the tone and batters defenders. If you like physical, aggressive run-blocking then this is the guy for you. He’s also adept at the turns and twists and good hand-placement needed to achieve easy wins where he doesn’t have to flat-out dominate with power. He allowed only one pressure in 2019.

    I’ve seen some people mention a lack of mobility and athletic limitations but there was nothing glaring. Holding penalties were apparently an issue at Kentucky. That said, the Seahawks love physical run blockers with great size. Stenberg looks like one of the toughest players to enter the league in a while. For me he’s a second or third round value pick who could rise.
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Re: O-Line
Fri Jan 17, 2020 1:37 pm
  • I am not as concerned about the center position as some if we let Britt go. I don't believe Joey is the answer, but I also believe he is functional enough if need be. His downside is physicality, not brains. He coordinates well and there were rarely any free rushers missed while he was in. He just gets over-powered a lot. Having a massive man like Ifedi next to him just naturally takes some of that downside away.

    Is Swoopes to old at this point to go to the practice squad?
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Re: O-Line
Fri Jan 17, 2020 5:29 pm
  • I want to see them build this line in the FA. Im so fed up with mediocrity on the O-line. Protect Russ and keep him upright. Sign some big names with all that cap space.
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Re: O-Line
Fri Jan 17, 2020 6:08 pm
  • O-line is one of the hardest positions to play and even the players with the highest draft grades take a couple of years to get up to speed.

    Quick fixes include: Brandon Scherff (Guard : washington), Anthony Castanzo( OT: Colts)
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Re: O-Line
Fri Jan 17, 2020 9:36 pm
  • They need to replace guys via the draft and be aggressive about it. I'm tired of the excuse that there aren't as many good lineman anymore because of the college game. You're almost dead last. Every team is facing the same problem and yet they're all doing a better job of figuring it out. I'm also tired of the run blocking vs passing excuse. The top lines do both well. Look at GB, Dallas, Balt etc. They rank high in both. It's not the best draft for d line so attack the offensive line this draft. Bring in an outside source if you're process is broke. Do something. It's embarrassing.
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Re: O-Line
Sat Jan 18, 2020 6:41 am
  • One of the Seahawks Facebook groups has a story up that Pete has said he plans no changes to our OL group! This cannot possibly be true can it?
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Re: O-Line
Sat Jan 18, 2020 6:53 am
  • brimsalabim wrote:One of the Seahawks Facebook groups has a story up that Pete has said he plans no changes to our OL group! This cannot possibly be true can it?

    I saw that too...Carroll wants to keep the same group...unbelievable :!: :roll:
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Re: O-Line
Sat Jan 18, 2020 7:02 am
  • brimsalabim wrote:One of the Seahawks Facebook groups has a story up that Pete has said he plans no changes to our OL group! This cannot possibly be true can it?

    That's not a direct quote. Pete did say he would try to maintain some continuity and keep most of the O-line intact, while admitting that we'll probably lose a FA or two. Pete also talked about young guys like D Jones coming along and looking good so far, as well as injured guys like Pocic and Britt who will be coming back. Pete also said he and John are looking into the FA market and will probably add players in the draft.

    This whole "Pete is an idiot who doesn't know what he's doing" meme is tiresome.
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Re: O-Line
Sat Jan 18, 2020 7:11 am
  • Center will likely be the first OL position drafted by Hawks but I wouldn't be surprised if they bring in a veteran to compete. If Pocic can get healthy they likely bring him back to camp. Britt and Hunt are likely gone.

    Haynes, Simmons, and Knox are intriguing young talents who should be back to compete at interior.

    Brown you bring back. Jamarco Jones is quality depth at four positions and a potential starter.

    You ignore Ifedi and attempt to sign Fant before the draft.

    You bring back Fluker and let him compete and if he beats out some young guy it won't matter because the young guys will get their starts anyway.

    Draft the best tackle available but they likely go center first. This team should draft at least 3 OL.
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Re: O-Line
Sat Jan 18, 2020 7:12 am
  • Whew thanks for clearing that up. Free agency too? I know one of the Patriots guards is hitting free agency. Joe Thuney. I believe he was 2nd team all NFL?
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Re: O-Line
Wed Jan 22, 2020 6:27 am
  • Lots of good centers available this draft. Same with Guards. If the Hawks can keep Britt on a cheaper deal and draft his replacement it would be ideal, and snag one of the great guards available as well.

    One that has followed Pete knows what he says isn't always what he does. They aren't going to tip their draft hand before the combine. Heck the Senior Bowl is this weekend and they will all be there.
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Re: O-Line
Wed Jan 22, 2020 9:34 am
  • Largent80 wrote:I found this write up.......Logan Stenberg (G, Kentucky)
    He’s a pancake machine who dominates opponents with extreme physicality. I’ve not seen a guard manhandle blockers like Stenberg in a long time. He connects, locks-on and drives defender’s off the ball. He’s a punishing finisher and will hammer opponents to the turf, judo-toss them to the ground or plough them off the LOS.

    He’s a pure finisher who sets the tone and batters defenders. If you like physical, aggressive run-blocking then this is the guy for you. He’s also adept at the turns and twists and good hand-placement needed to achieve easy wins where he doesn’t have to flat-out dominate with power. He allowed only one pressure in 2019.

    I’ve seen some people mention a lack of mobility and athletic limitations but there was nothing glaring. Holding penalties were apparently an issue at Kentucky. That said, the Seahawks love physical run blockers with great size. Stenberg looks like one of the toughest players to enter the league in a while. For me he’s a second or third round value pick who could rise.


    I would love it if Seattle added Stenberg. I really hope Pete was just doing coach speak when he said he doesn't see any changes. They need a serious infusion of talent on the line. If you want to run a ball control, deep vertical offense then you need to protect and block at least at a league average level consistently. I don't know enough about line play to say who should go, who should stay but I do know they need to make a few changes. I don't think injuries were the sole reason this line was bad. Even if healthy I doubt the trend of 8 straight years of terrible line play is much better.
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Re: O-Line
Wed Jan 22, 2020 9:52 am
  • When one actually looks at the personnel it becomes clearer.

    Center.....Britt...Torn ACL and entering the most expensive year of his contract. Hunt proved he is a backup and is F.A

    LG.....Iupati is an older oft injured F.A....Pocic has never proven himself yet and is also oft injured. Jones and Haynes are newbies and both got injured.

    LT...Brown is rock solid but is getting up in age he's signed. Fant plays all over but manned LT well when Brown was out, he's a F.A. and a must keep for me because of his versatility even as a T.E.

    RG...Fluker signed for one more year, with the aforementioned players as backups.

    RT...Ifedi is a giant Meh who still makes the same pre-snap penalties as he did as a rookie and it's 5 years later and he is a F.A.

    Someone will probably offer him too much and I say, see ya.
    We need to add one of these very good centers, and at least one guard if not two. Ruiz is a very good center, and Stenberg is a stud. Immediate improvement on the line in spite of being rookies.
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Re: O-Line
Wed Jan 22, 2020 11:19 am
  • Every draft a team should spend 60% of their draft capital on linemen. If a team only has 7 picks 4 of them should be Oline and Dline.

    That being said.

    Britt is gone. The Seahawks will get 8 million in cap savings by cutting Britt. The joke in Oline circles is "centers don't block", like Britt, Pocic was bad at tackle and guard. Pocic is an NFL starting-caliber center, he played center his entire career at LSU. He was always a center and should have been playing center since day one.

    The guard market is really thin for free agents going into the 2020 market.

    Some big name guards could be cut too that could make the class a little more enticing for the Hawks.
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Re: O-Line
Wed Jan 22, 2020 12:04 pm
  • When the draft has several very good centers and guards, and a team has a first, 2 seconds and 2 3rds....it would be foolish to throw money at old broken or soon to be broken OL players. The D-Line needs fixing as well and F.A. will be the only place to do that as this draft is devoid of good DE.

    Pocic, hasn't proven anything in the NFL yet. Until he does, he's just a body and he's had his chances. Britt wasn't a center in college yet excelled there after failing at other positions. Just because Pocic played C at LSU does not make him a player the Hawks can rely on especially in the long run.... Draft a proven, young center. They are available. And that man will be there thru the RW era.

    Here's on sites take on Center.....https://walterfootball.com/draft2020C.php
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Re: O-Line
Wed Jan 22, 2020 12:29 pm
  • Largent80 wrote:When the draft has several very good centers and guards, and a team has a first, 2 seconds and 2 3rds....it would be foolish to throw money at old broken or soon to be broken OL players. The D-Line needs fixing as well and F.A. will be the only place to do that as this draft is devoid of good DE.

    Pocic, hasn't proven anything in the NFL yet. Until he does, he's just a body and he's had his chances. Britt wasn't a center in college yet excelled there after failing at other positions. Just because Pocic played C at LSU does not make him a player the Hawks can rely on especially in the long run.... Draft a proven, young center. They are available. And that man will be there thru the RW era.

    Here's on sites take on Center.....https://walterfootball.com/draft2020C.php



    Walterfootball is a bar room toilet of a website. Foul and disgusting,with a smell that hangs on your clothes for hours.

    Here you go.

    https://www.drafttek.com/2020-NFL-Draft ... -Draft.asp


    To the right of each player is a "BIO" link such as this one:

    https://uwbadgers.com/sports/football/r ... adasz/7264


    And they have their scouting reports on this page:

    2020 Drafttek Scouting Reports


    https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Draft-Scou ... t-Home.asp



    2020 NFL Draft Scouting Report -- Tyler Biadasz

    https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Draft-Scou ... iadasz.asp
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Re: O-Line
Wed Jan 22, 2020 12:33 pm
  • It's just an analysis, it's not about discrediting a site. Hell I can site Seahawks Draft Blog which is the best site on the planet for college players, but I chose a quick rundown.

    All of them say the same thing BTW. Ruiz would be the perfect Hawk center for years to come.

    Draft him.
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Re: O-Line
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Re: O-Line
Wed Jan 22, 2020 1:21 pm
  • I hope we find a way to keep Britt. And I think we need to draft his successor. There are good options in the draft. Brown at LT, but we need to look to the future here too. And I don't think that future is Fant. Loved Fant as the 6th O-line/TE in the Jumbo package but I am meh on him as a LT and don't think he is worth a starting salary. Let him walk and someone else overpay. Haynes and Jamarco Jones can be good quality interior guards. Let Joey Hunt walk. Fluker I am OK with...but Iupati is washed up. We need to solve the RT position if we let Ifedi walk.
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Re: O-Line
Wed Jan 22, 2020 1:34 pm
  • vigilantgrrl wrote:I hope we find a way to keep Britt. And I think we need to draft his successor. There are good options in the draft. Brown at LT, but we need to look to the future here too. And I don't think that future is Fant. Loved Fant as the 6th O-line/TE in the Jumbo package but I am meh on him as a LT and don't think he is worth a starting salary. Let him walk and someone else overpay. Haynes and Jamarco Jones can be good quality interior guards. Let Joey Hunt walk. Fluker I am OK with...but Iupati is washed up. We need to solve the RT position if we let Ifedi walk.


    Tell me how Fant is replaced. Don't try and tell me Jones and Haynes. Both of those two were injured, who is to say they can be counted on? Fant has 4 years in the system and 2 with Solari.

    You let Ifedi walk and you have no RT, and you want Fant gone who could man that spot so, then you are relying on 2 seldom used 2nd year players that couldn't stay on the field. You are also relying on Pocic, who also seems injury prone to be available. Meh on Fant as LT????...Really?...he held his own against 2 of the best DE in the league.

    Not getting your confidence in 2 rookie injured players, and bringing back a C who tore his ACL very badly and will regress. Attack C and G in the draft. Keep Fant, and get a F.A. OL as a swing man.
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Re: O-Line
Wed Jan 22, 2020 2:26 pm
  • Largent80 wrote:Tell me how Fant is replaced. Don't try and tell me Jones and Haynes. Both of those two were injured, who is to say they can be counted on? Fant has 4 years in the system and 2 with Solari.

    I don't think this is the right way to look at it because everyone is an injury risk in the NFL. Fant missed the entire season the one time the team was counting on him to start, so if you are going to use that kind of logic then he shouldn't be counted on either. Despite the group think around here that he is perpetually injured, our 2nd most available OL in the regular season was actually Mike Iupati.

    The better way of looking at roster construction is to take a probabilistic view of injuries. Consider a probability distribution of estimated snap counts rather than predicting a binary outcome of whether player X will be healthy or injured. The key is to enough have depth at each position so that if you add all of the estimated snap distributions together you end up with as least as many expected snaps as we end up playing that season. Our third guard next season will likely end up playing quite a bit regardless of who our two starters are.
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Re: O-Line
Wed Jan 22, 2020 2:30 pm
  • It's time to upgrade the OL with new players. It's pretty easy to see.

    OK, let Fant walk but you still gave no viable replacement for him.
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Re: O-Line
Wed Jan 22, 2020 3:34 pm
  • As for Britt, I said if healthy keep him this year, BUT draft his replacement as their are good Center options in the draft. That way, a rookie does not have to immediately be thrown into the line as a starter. Another option is to trade Britt instead of cutting him and getting nothing. Fant made it clear that he wants starter money and he only wants to play left tackle. I do not think he is good enough to command a top premium salary. Joey Hunt, it is clear to see that he is too small and got beat by bull rushes. I think Jones and Haynes will be OK as guards......I do not think we can judge Fant on one whole game at LT. If he was great he would have beat out Duane Brown. Right tackle is a dilemma I agree but there are free agent options if we let Ifedi walk or we can draft one. I am wary of Jordan Simmons and his long injury history,
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Re: O-Line
Wed Jan 22, 2020 3:43 pm
  • You ready to pay Fant 8 mil APY?
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Re: O-Line
Wed Jan 22, 2020 3:47 pm
  • Largent80 wrote:We need to and always draft OL and we should.

    Logan Stenberg is a huge mauling guard available in the draft. 3rd round grade. He could be an anchor for many years.

    Solomon Kindley of Georgia declared, and he is a stud. If we could get those 2 in the draft we are set at G for years to come.

    Both are mid round grades.


    Either would be a great pick.

    Largent80 wrote:Cesar Ruiz is a stud for center. We need to draft one for the future.


    There are a handful of good ones in this draft. I'd be ok with one of our second round picks here, assuming we shed Britt for cap purposes. Using a day 2 pick in order to avoid the DE talent pool in this draft by allocating Britt money to a UFA DE is smart. Even though I like Britt as a player. Just the way I'm reading the landscape -- it's a tough choice.

    Looking at the talent pockets, one could make the case that BPA at 27, 59 and 64 could be OT/OG/OC. Normally, I wouldn't advise focusing that heavily in one group. But in this case, we'd also be paring from this group (Ifedi, and potentially Britt) in order to allocate resources elsewhere where day one talent is not likely to be available via the draft.

    If we lose Ifedi and Fant, then we're really tight at OT. Almost have to take one at the end of R1. Not likely to have a legitimate contender to start if we wait to the end of R2.
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Re: O-Line
Wed Jan 22, 2020 3:56 pm
  • I agree Atylla....

    It's time to use our draft picks positively. We have one RW who will be in hi 9th year already. Give him the good OL players he deserves. Young dudes not these retreads.

    Please draft C and G for OL. And re-sign Fant.
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Re: O-Line
Fri Jan 24, 2020 12:09 pm
  • Largent80 wrote:When the draft has several very good centers and guards, and a team has a first, 2 seconds and 2 3rds....it would be foolish to throw money at old broken or soon to be broken OL players. The D-Line needs fixing as well and F.A. will be the only place to do that as this draft is devoid of good DE.

    Pocic, hasn't proven anything in the NFL yet. Until he does, he's just a body and he's had his chances. Britt wasn't a center in college yet excelled there after failing at other positions. Just because Pocic played C at LSU does not make him a player the Hawks can rely on especially in the long run.... Draft a proven, young center. They are available. And that man will be there thru the RW era.

    Here's on sites take on Center.....https://walterfootball.com/draft2020C.php



    Pocic is a pile of crap. He’s shown almost no ability to play effectively at the NFL level.
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Re: O-Line
Fri Jan 24, 2020 12:21 pm
  • oldhawkfan wrote:
    Largent80 wrote:When the draft has several very good centers and guards, and a team has a first, 2 seconds and 2 3rds....it would be foolish to throw money at old broken or soon to be broken OL players. The D-Line needs fixing as well and F.A. will be the only place to do that as this draft is devoid of good DE.

    Pocic, hasn't proven anything in the NFL yet. Until he does, he's just a body and he's had his chances. Britt wasn't a center in college yet excelled there after failing at other positions. Just because Pocic played C at LSU does not make him a player the Hawks can rely on especially in the long run.... Draft a proven, young center. They are available. And that man will be there thru the RW era.

    Here's on sites take on Center.....https://walterfootball.com/draft2020C.php



    Pocic is a pile of crap. He’s shown almost no ability to play effectively at the NFL level.


    Pocic was a Tom Cable pic and it was approved by P & J...They missed, but they missed in a year where there weren't many viable options on O-Line. THIS DRAFT is the polar opposite and they need to take advantage of it.
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Re: O-Line
Fri Jan 24, 2020 8:45 pm
  • Don't I recall correctly that Fant began his transformation to O Line at RT? Then he added TE duty. Then he covered for injured Brown at LT. That kind of versatility is worth a hefty sum. Fant could take over at RT for IFedi. Fant is a far superior athlete. Britt is worth the $ IF he is fully recovered. Need some depth there and a fired up young bull to replace Iupati.
    So, draft a C and G for O Line.
    That leaves us sitting pretty well for addressing our other needs.
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Re: O-Line
Sat Jan 25, 2020 3:30 am
  • ivotuk wrote:Re-sign Fant, start him at Right Tackle, and promise him Left Tackle once Duane is done. I feel pretty strongly that D Brown will retire after 2020. He's had some injuries, albeit minor ones, lately. He's getting up there, but, he's still playing at a high level. So I think 2020 will be a great year for him, but I'm predicting that some team success, and minor injuries will cause him to consider his future next year.

    Keep Joey Hunt, an economical, functional backup for Guard and Center.

    Extend Justin Britt, bring his 2020 and future hits down some with a signing bonus. I don't want to go through another new Center when the rest of the line could be in flux.

    Keep Ethan Pocic who is currently on IR

    Keep Fluker. He played well, and was available most of the time.

    Jamarco Jones, Left Guard. He can also fill in at Left Tackle in an emergency

    Phil Haynes at Guard

    Creature Man, Jordan Roos at guard

    Draft/Sign a Left Tackle Prospect and Guard.

    Don't forget Tight Ends in this equation.

    Re-up Luke Willson! That guy is INVALUABLE as a blocker, pass catcher, and all around team mate!

    Jacob Hollister, what a STEAL this guy was!

    Will Dissly, no brainer. LOVE this man.

    Swoopes on the Practice Squad

    Draft/Sign a "young" Tight End, or an Offensive Lineman/Tight End Hybrid like George Fant or Gary Gilliam...OR Jason Peters.

    Cut/Drop: Iupati, and Ed Dickson. Dickson is a great guy, great talent, but he's 32 years old and has a horrible injury history the past 3 years!

    Considerations:

    Jordan Simmons on IR. Has injury history, but deserves a look this year.


    What your suggesting is the same mediocrity we've had at the Oline year in and year out. Starting Fant at RT sounds like a disaster.
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Re: O-Line
Sat Jan 25, 2020 7:42 am
  • I would actually bring Ifedi back for the right price but i have a feeling he'll get us a comp pick in the end. Assuming he goes, i'd sign Fant and focus on drafting tackle early if possible. Hopefully somebody that can move to LT in two years.

    Between Jones, Pocic, Haynes and Roos one of those guys will start at LG. I wouldn't say were good at guard but tackle makes me much more nervous.
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Re: O-Line
Sat Jan 25, 2020 9:07 pm
  • Tical21 wrote:You ready to pay Fant 8 mil APY?


    I'd be fine with that as long as they don't pay Ifedi 10M+.

    Teams are desperate for O-Line so $8M APY for Fant wouldn't really surprise me.

    ==========

    On to the OP

    Pete says he doesn't want to make many changes to his O-Line, but I am having a hard time not seeing at least 2 changes to the starting 5. I wouldn't be surprised if they have 3 new starters by kickoff in Sep.

    I think Pete is thinking that he doesn't need to pursue, big UFA O-Lineman, and instead just focus on D-Line in Free Agency. Pete for whatever reason just doesn't value that position group. They played 1.5 seasons without a legit LT when Okung left in Free Agency. Unheard of in the NFL as protecting your franchise QB is #1.

    I personally was very disappointed with the group when they were all healthy, as they took a step back in 2019. I thought they could creep up into avg territory and build off of their, just okay '18 season. It went the other way, and I would not be opposed to an aggressive change at LG & C, while retaining Fant to start at RT.
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Re: O-Line
Sun Jan 26, 2020 1:40 am
  • Largent80 wrote:It's time to upgrade the OL with new players. It's pretty easy to see.

    I imagine everybody agrees with bringing in both UFAs and rookies to compete for spots. However, the negative feelings towards the current group are heavily influenced by the injuries at the end of the year.

    For much of the season they looked better than people expected and when things were bad it was often the result of inexperienced backups being pressed into action or the offense not getting the ball out on time. Even in the GB game the pass protection was above average, we just couldn't run the ball at all due to not having our LG, C, RB1, RB2, RB3, TE1, or TE2.

    Largent80 wrote:OK, let Fant walk but you still gave no viable replacement for him.

    My point was merely that it's a brittle strategy to decide in March and April whether a player will be healthy or not. Fant is a flexible player who we could absolutely re-sign to add competition to both tackle spots (and jumbo TE), but it would be crazy to give him a ton of money and just name him the RT because we didn't trust the alternatives.

    What I am advocating is continuing to build the tackle group throughout the spring. We can bring in a veteran RT to compete during wave 2 FA so that we aren't forced to reach in the draft for a tackle we don't love. Add BPA youth from the draft to the UDFAs and post June 6th veteran FAs. We have plenty of time over the off-season to make sure we have a competitive group to shake out a group from in training camp.
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Re: O-Line
Sun Jan 26, 2020 8:49 pm
  • ivotuk wrote:Re-sign Fant, start him at Right Tackle, and promise him Left Tackle once Duane is done. I feel pretty strongly that D Brown will retire after 2020. He's had some injuries, albeit minor ones, lately. He's getting up there, but, he's still playing at a high level. So I think 2020 will be a great year for him, but I'm predicting that some team success, and minor injuries will cause him to consider his future next year.

    Keep Joey Hunt, an economical, functional backup for Guard and Center.

    Extend Justin Britt, bring his 2020 and future hits down some with a signing bonus. I don't want to go through another new Center when the rest of the line could be in flux.

    Keep Ethan Pocic who is currently on IR

    Keep Fluker. He played well, and was available most of the time.

    Jamarco Jones, Left Guard. He can also fill in at Left Tackle in an emergency

    Phil Haynes at Guard

    Creature Man, Jordan Roos at guard

    Draft/Sign a Left Tackle Prospect and Guard.

    Don't forget Tight Ends in this equation.

    Re-up Luke Willson! That guy is INVALUABLE as a blocker, pass catcher, and all around team mate!

    Jacob Hollister, what a STEAL this guy was!

    Will Dissly, no brainer. LOVE this man.

    Swoopes on the Practice Squad

    Draft/Sign a "young" Tight End, or an Offensive Lineman/Tight End Hybrid like George Fant or Gary Gilliam...OR Jason Peters.

    Cut/Drop: Iupati, and Ed Dickson. Dickson is a great guy, great talent, but he's 32 years old and has a horrible injury history the past 3 years!

    Considerations:

    Jordan Simmons on IR. Has injury history, but deserves a look this year.


    I agree with almost all of this post!

    I would only add in that drafting 2-3 quality OL this year is an absolute must. I'm talking earlier in the draft for at least two in the first 3 rounds. Especially if we can fix our DL and pass rush thru FA which would be my preference.
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Re: O-Line
Sun Jan 26, 2020 9:20 pm
  • Me too kf3. We keep Britt and draft a good rookie price center for depth. Sign Fant with savings from losing Hunt and Ifedi. Other rookies for interior competition and depth if needed. I like the sounds of that G from Ky. Steinburg?
    Also think we lose Reed from DL, so we'll need a replacement there, along with a really good corner and DE, plus I'd like to see another RB.
    If we can do all that and cure Gordon and we're good to go.
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Re: O-Line
Mon Jan 27, 2020 6:07 am
  • Lloyd Cushenberry was awesome at center in the senior bowl.
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Re: O-Line
Mon Jan 27, 2020 9:11 pm
  • One! That is how many guys not currently on the roster who will be starting on the line next year. I can’t tell you which position, but I highly doubt we will see more than one guy starting on the line not currently associated with the Seahawks. Through resignings, renegotiations and the need to add defensive talent, the o line won’t see a lot of addition.
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Re: O-Line
Tue Jan 28, 2020 2:49 am
  • Jordan Simmons. Just gotta have him healthy.
    He was outperforming Fluker when healthy.
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Re: O-Line
Tue Jan 28, 2020 5:42 am
  • Deep OL class this draft, and it will be tapped into...There may be a couple defense additions in the draft but that will mostly be dealt with in free agency.
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Re: O-Line
Wed Jan 29, 2020 5:36 am
  • Largent80 wrote:Deep OL class this draft, and it will be tapped into...There may be a couple defense additions in the draft but that will mostly be dealt with in free agency.



    I would be fine if we used our first on a C and let britt walk.
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