pittpnthrs wrote: Maelstrom787 wrote: pittpnthrs wrote:
This is a crap take. The team needed a blue chip talent to remain competitive. Adams will be a leader for years to come and is as versatile of a defender as you can find.
You generally just don't find guys like that outside of the top of the draft. This trade haul is similar to a trade up to the top 10 in the draft... except Adams is a proven blue chip. This is absolutely not as bad as it looks when you consider where the picks would likely be in the draft order.
Its not a crap take. Seriously they havent had a good draft in like 7 years (2015 was mediocre). Our biggest weaknesses are offensive and defensive line and they have done nothing to fix it. Wilson staying healthy has been the luckiest thing in the world. One day our luck is going to run out. Adams will handicap our cap space for years to come. This is yet another luxury take when we cant afford it. This FO is so criminally overatted its sad.
Sorry, but it is totally a crap take. None of the things you have listed are good reasons to pass up on obtaining one of the leagues true blue chip players at 24 years old.
If you look at where the selections they traded away would be, you'd realize that it is a near certainty that those 2 players would not add up to 1 Jamal Adams worth of talent. Yes, Seattle will have to pay him... but not immediately, and you shouldn't be opposed to paying legitimate cornerstones anyway, which Adams is.
Also, saying the team has done nothing to address the lines is wrong. Starting with the obvious - improving pass coverage does a ton to help the defensive line. Adams provides flexibility and prowess in the defensive backfield, which will do wonders for pass coverage and therefore the defense as a whole. Also, the team drafted two guys for juice off the edge, signed Irvin, and will likely sign another guy - hard to say there has been no effort to improve the line.
The offensive line portion is wholly irrelevant to the conversation, but they made some good signings there as well.
This team obviously needed something more to get them back to the big dance. Jamal Adams has a much higher chance of pushing them closer to that goal than 2 late first rounders do.
The draft picks arent the issue here, its the position of the player taken. Lord knows the FO cant draft anyways as everybody on this board admits when trying to defend this trade. I like your optimism, but I just dont agree with it. I dont believe our secondary was as bad as people perceive. I feel they got screwed due to opposing QB's having practically all day to pass due to,,,,,,wait for it,,,,an awful pass rush. You feel Irvin is going to be a difference maker, I dont. If anything, the Adams trade looks like desperation due to realizing the pass rush is going to suck. Instead of fixing the actual problem, they try to mask the issue with a very expensive band-aid. People keep bringing up Adams sack numbers. Do you honestly believe Nortons going to implement a scheme to take advantage of that? I dont.
The offensive line irrelevant? Its the biggest weakness on the team and has been for years. There is one person on the team that is the sole difference between the team making the playoffs and winning maybe 4 games and nobody seems to care about him. Its baffling. Resources spent on that shiny new safety should have been spent on protecting the one guy that truly matters, but no, lets roll the dice for another season. Why not, they've been lucky so far. Good signings to improve the line? If anything, it looks worse with those signings. Again, I like your optimism.
To get back to the big dance, the team needs to fix the actual problems at hand (offensive and defensive lines) and not improving on areas that were already competent to start with. At the end of the day, Jamal Adams is a safety. A safety. The Jets fleeced us.
The offensive line is irrelevant to discussion about Adams
is what I was saying. Also, I am not bringing up Adams sack numbers, so I'm not sure if that's a rebuttal to anything I've said.
Theoretically, there is more than 1 way to improve your pass rush - one of which is giving them more time to get to the quarterback. I'd like to think that an Adams acquisition allows Seattle to have their corners press more and back off less, which may very well increase their performance pressure-wise. Also, again, they've added rotational guys and drafted two promising edge rushers... hard to say that nothing is being done about the defensive line. We'll see how the rotational guys who are familiar with the scheme perform, and we'll see how the new guys develop.
It's obvious that the identity of a Carroll team flows through the secondary. Having an elite secondary is worth two late firsts. It just is. Jamal Adams could very easily be a future Hall of Famer, and we got him at 24 years old for less draft capital than his original draft slot. I am flabbergasted that people are finding a way to be upset about this. A team is always going to have holes here and there, and folks get angry over any acquisition or trade because it doesn't fix every hole at once. Here's a theory - filling holes like you would with a roster breakdown sheet on Madden doesn't work, what does work is getting blue chip cornerstones on your roster that you can build around for years to come. Jamal Adams is bold, has swag, is versatile, makes plays, and has the rare it factor. You'd be hard pressed to find that at pick 27 any year.
Sorry, but rare talent is rare talent. Adams fits the identity of the team, and that counts for something. What counts for even more is that he is a bona fide superstar, and he's worth more than Seattle gave up.