Welp looks like this franchise gonna go in a full re-build season soon.

2021 Draft Picks

2nd round
4th round
5th round
6th round

2021 FA:
KJ Wright
Greg Olsen
Bruce Irvin
Jacob Hollister
Benson Mayowa
Mike Lupati
Cedric Ogbuehi
David Moore
Quinton Dunbar
Luke Wilson
Geno Smith
Neiko Thrope
Nick Bellore
Ethan Pocic
Philiip Dorsett
Shaquill Griffin
Delano Hill
Jordan Simmons
Bryan Moore
Chris Carson
Poona Ford

I didn't put a full list, just people that I see that should be on here.

poly1274 wrote:Welp looks like this franchise gonna go in a full re-build season soon.

2021 Draft Picks

2nd round
4th round
5th round
6th round

2021 FA:
KJ Wright
Greg Olsen
Bruce Irvin
Jacob Hollister
Benson Mayowa
Mike Lupati
Cedric Ogbuehi
David Moore
Quinton Dunbar
Luke Wilson
Geno Smith
Neiko Thrope
Nick Bellore
Ethan Pocic
Philiip Dorsett
Shaquill Griffin
Delano Hill
Jordan Simmons
Bryan Moore
Chris Carson
Poona Ford

I didn't put a full list, just people that I see that should be on here.

Didn’t Schneider turn 4 or 5 picks in a draft into 9 or so?

I’m sure he’s going to do the same thing again

Not with a late 2nd round pick. I'd imagine the 2nd round pick be like 20-32 range.

Oh yes, the sky is definitely falling.

That list has MAYBE five players on it that could be considered big losses. The rest are fringe players that are on one year deals or only came here because of injuries last season and likely fringe players this season because of that. We haven't even been able to see how our recent draft class looks do to Covid this year. Under regular circumstances we would have a better idea about now. I don't think its anything to stress about yet though.

The Hawks had 4 picks the week before the 2019 draft. After the draft, they had made 11 picks.

I'm not worried.

Aros wrote:Oh yes, the sky is definitely falling.

IN 2021........

Buy your Umbrella now...

DHawk wrote:That list has MAYBE five players on it that could be considered big losses. The rest are fringe players that are on one year deals or only came here because of injuries last season and likely fringe players this season because of that. We haven't even been able to see how our recent draft class looks do to Covid this year. Under regular circumstances we would have a better idea about now. I don't think its anything to stress about yet though.

Poona Ford
Chris Carson
Shaquill Griffin
Ethan Pocic
Philiip Dorsett
Quinton Dunbar ( Big question mark)
Jacob Hollister
Bruce Irvin

The first 4, are gonna be looking at 7-9 mill each + per year

And Dunbar ( Depends on what happen this season) is gonna look at maybe 14-18mill+

poly1274 wrote:Welp looks like this franchise gonna go in a full re-build season soon.

2021 Draft Picks

2nd round
4th round
5th round
6th round

2021 FA:
KJ Wright
Greg Olsen
Bruce Irvin
Jacob Hollister
Benson Mayowa
Mike Lupati
Cedric Ogbuehi
David Moore
Quinton Dunbar
Luke Wilson
Geno Smith
Neiko Thrope
Nick Bellore
Ethan Pocic
Philiip Dorsett
Shaquill Griffin
Delano Hill
Jordan Simmons
Bryan Moore
Chris Carson
Poona Ford

I didn't put a full list, just people that I see that should be on here.

This is fine. Most of these players are cheap roster-fill types. The draft capital thing hurts them in terms of finding stars at the top of the draft, but if they need to fill the back end of the roster, they can easily trade down and have themselves quite a few mid round picks.

This doesn't really look like a "disaster" to me. Seems like typical roster turnover.

What disaster?

The team had 32 players that needed to be renewed this offseason if you include each the ERFAs, RFAs, and UFAs. The roster was filled as can be seen from the roster page, some were renewed others were not.

Nobody was worried then, well a few were, yet JS has filled the roster so there could be a competitive team fielded.

The work of a GM is never finished if the team is to stay competitive.

Who is Mike Lupati?

GeekHawk wrote:Who is Mike Lupati?

He plays next to Duane Crown on the line.

We have Ruskell Wilkens too, it's gonna' be fine.
Plus we have Tyler LockettE

SoulfishHawk wrote:We have Ruskell Wilkens too, it's gonna' be fine.
Plus we have Tyler LockettE

They’re in good hands with DK Metcow

ok, that sh was funny

Do your thing, Kris Karsun

2021 FA:
KJ Wright
Bruce Irvin
Benson Mayowa
Quinton Dunbar
Shaquill Griffin
Chris Carson
Poona Ford

Maybe one resigns these seven?

Poona will be am RFA or ERFA.

So he isnt going anywhere. He is probably the guy that most concerned me on that list, so that is good.

Poona, Shaq Griffin, maybe Carson (depending on how much he wants) and maybe Dunbar (depending on if he gets out of trouble and plays well this year) are the only ones I'd hope to bring back. The rest are aging vets/stops gaps/filler that can be replaced. I'll be sad to see KJ go if he's not resigned, but I think his time is coming to an end quickly.

Also, the 2021 draft could be trash if there's no college season. If that happens, probably a ton of juniors will go back for their senior year. And the guys who do declare will be coming off sitting out a year and there will be less available scouting material than there would normally be, so it will be even more a crapshoot than a typical year. So I'm not worried about not having many picks in this upcoming draft.

As long as Pete is here, we'll at least be competing for a playoff spot. Even at the beginning of his tenure when we were ACTUALLY rebuilding we made the playoffs 1 of those 2 years. If a couple of the guys from our recent draft classes can take a step forward, we'll be doing more than just making the playoffs.

We're all in this year.

No doubt about it. With the recent history of their 1st round picks, I'll take a proven top tier in the entire league player over a draft pick that MAY work down the road.

I do think it's worth speculating forwards to see how the roster will develop in the future, but it's silly to worry about expiring FA for the same reason that it's silly to make too much of "upcoming cap room" like people did last off-season. The biggest expense is not even on that list, and it's going to be the Jamal Adams extension.

Good franchises pay the few players who are difference makers and worth it, and let the rest walk in exchange for compensatory picks. The bulk of the roster is then made up of players on rookie deals or minimum veteran contracts.

The only thing to get too concerned about is overpaying a bunch of mediocre players. In that vein, the thing to be concerned about on your list in 2021 is that we might overpay Carson or Griffin. I don't see that happening, but whether you or do or not it's premature to talk about disasters.

AgentDib wrote:I do think it's worth speculating forwards to see how the roster will develop in the future, but it's silly to worry about expiring FA for the same reason that it's silly to make too much of "upcoming cap room" like people did last off-season. The biggest expense is not even on that list, and it's going to be the Jamal Adams extension.

Good franchises pay the few players who are difference makers and worth it, and let the rest walk in exchange for compensatory picks. The bulk of the roster is then made up of players on rookie deals or minimum veteran contracts.

The only thing to get too concerned about is overpaying a bunch of mediocre players. In that vein, the thing to be concerned about on your list in 2021 is that we might overpay Carson or Griffin. I don't see that happening, but whether you or do or not it's premature to talk about disasters.

Adams is already signed through 2021. Reported $9.8 mil.

poly1274 wrote:

DHawk wrote:That list has MAYBE five players on it that could be considered big losses. The rest are fringe players that are on one year deals or only came here because of injuries last season and likely fringe players this season because of that. We haven't even been able to see how our recent draft class looks do to Covid this year. Under regular circumstances we would have a better idea about now. I don't think its anything to stress about yet though.

Poona Ford
Chris Carson
Shaquill Griffin
Ethan Pocic
Philiip Dorsett
Quinton Dunbar ( Big question mark)
Jacob Hollister
Bruce Irvin

The first 4, are gonna be looking at 7-9 mill each + per year

And Dunbar ( Depends on what happen this season) is gonna look at maybe 14-18mill+

Someone might pay that. I'd question their sanity if the same front office paid out those numbers for those players.

Every other team is going to be in a tough position if the salary cap does indeed go down a lot next year.

So it's not like someone is going to be hoarding top free agents. We already got our big signing in Adams. You have a top 2 QB, MLB, and Safety. You'll have a high floor (and have since 2012).

Griffin and Carson would be the only two worthy of an extension, and that could easily be done unless someone wants to overpay.

So "disaster"? Let me know when we're even close to being of the same ilk as the Browns, Jets, and Lions. That's a real disaster.

poly1274 wrote:Welp looks like this franchise gonna go in a full re-build season soon.

2021 Draft Picks

1st round-Jamal Adams(1st team all pro)
2nd round
4th round
5th round
6th round

2021 FA:
KJ Wright
Greg Olsen
Bruce Irvin
Jacob Hollister
Benson Mayowa
Mike Lupati
Cedric Ogbuehi
David Moore
Quinton Dunbar
Luke Wilson
Geno Smith
Neiko Thrope
Nick Bellore
Ethan Pocic
Philiip Dorsett
Shaquill Griffin
Delano Hill
Jordan Simmons
Bryan Moore
Chris Carson
Poona Ford

I didn't put a full list, just people that I see that should be on here.

Fixed the 2021 draft for you.

poly1274 wrote:

DHawk wrote:That list has MAYBE five players on it that could be considered big losses. The rest are fringe players that are on one year deals or only came here because of injuries last season and likely fringe players this season because of that. We haven't even been able to see how our recent draft class looks do to Covid this year. Under regular circumstances we would have a better idea about now. I don't think its anything to stress about yet though.

Poona Ford
Chris Carson
Shaquill Griffin
Ethan Pocic
Philiip Dorsett
Quinton Dunbar ( Big question mark)
Jacob Hollister
Bruce Irvin

The first 4, are gonna be looking at 7-9 mill each + per year

And Dunbar ( Depends on what happen this season) is gonna look at maybe 14-18mill+

Pocic making 7 million/year? I'll happily take the under there lol.
Top 3 on the list should be the priority. The remaining ones seem like could be replaced through draft/free agency if needed.

If other teams overpay for those players then that helps us because it gives us better comp picks. It's only a problem if we do the overpaying.

Nunya wrote:Adams is already signed through 2021. Reported $9.8 mil.

He's going to want his big deal and one year early would be a normal extension timing. The agreement between him and the FO was that he would play under his current contract in 2020.

The team will do an extension with him that kicks in 2022, and perhaps gives him some bonus $ earlier.

With his friend Diggs here, if he’s kept after this season, Adams will want to stay. Keeping him will be important and the difference between $9.8 million and $15 or thereabouts won’t be that significant a hit, presuming he maintains a high level of play.

The team will be in good shape.

2021 draft will be screwed anyway because the college season will probably be impacted by Covid-19. Would you like to go into a draft where you haven't seen the guys play for a year? It's gonna be chaos.

HawksBrazil wrote:

poly1274 wrote:

DHawk wrote:That list has MAYBE five players on it that could be considered big losses. The rest are fringe players that are on one year deals or only came here because of injuries last season and likely fringe players this season because of that. We haven't even been able to see how our recent draft class looks do to Covid this year. Under regular circumstances we would have a better idea about now. I don't think its anything to stress about yet though.

Poona Ford
Chris Carson
Shaquill Griffin
Ethan Pocic
Philiip Dorsett
Quinton Dunbar ( Big question mark)
Jacob Hollister
Bruce Irvin

The first 4, are gonna be looking at 7-9 mill each + per year

And Dunbar ( Depends on what happen this season) is gonna look at maybe 14-18mill+

Pocic making 7 million/year? I'll happily take the under there lol.
Top 3 on the list should be the priority. The remaining ones seem like could be replaced through draft/free agency if needed.

Fant's making 10mill a year. I think Dunbar will be suspended 6 games, and will be a FA next season.

KiwiHawk wrote:2021 draft will be screwed anyway because the college season will probably be impacted by Covid-19. Would you like to go into a draft where you haven't seen the guys play for a year? It's gonna be chaos.

If there's no NFL season, there won't be a 2021 draft, It will move on to next year.

poly1274 wrote:

KiwiHawk wrote:2021 draft will be screwed anyway because the college season will probably be impacted by Covid-19. Would you like to go into a draft where you haven't seen the guys play for a year? It's gonna be chaos.

If there's no NFL season, there won't be a 2021 draft, It will move on to next year.

Where did you hear that, are you able to provide a citation? Do the college prospects just become free agents in that scenario?

KinesProf wrote:

poly1274 wrote:

KiwiHawk wrote:2021 draft will be screwed anyway because the college season will probably be impacted by Covid-19. Would you like to go into a draft where you haven't seen the guys play for a year? It's gonna be chaos.

If there's no NFL season, there won't be a 2021 draft, It will move on to next year.

Where did you hear that, are you able to provide a citation? Do the college prospects just become free agents in that scenario?

No I just thought about it.

They wouldn't let them be able to apply for the NFL Draft.
You really think Bengals are going to get the #1 pick again? That would seem unfair.

MY O' My ......

Somehow ...... it looks like a few of us have been ignoring John Schneider's persistent emphasis on roster flexibility. Surprise .... surprise.

If ya travel on over to the "over-the-cap" site and make the mental adjustments of reducing that site's current posted 2021 cap number downward from it's stated value to a projected $175 million number, it results in 2 out of 5 NFL teams as over the cap for 2021.

Shazam ...... a lesson in the importance of cap management and roster flexibility over multiple years. We're in good hands.