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  • Hopefully he can convince Pete.
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  • Past due.

    He’s smart enough, and has enough experience.

    He should have been given more freedom a long time ago.
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  • http://seahawks.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=164463

    This older thread had some interesting counter arguments to why Russell shouldn't cook.

    Really more of a deep dive into the potential up tempo offense that Russ exceeds in.

    Let Russ cook
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  • Carroll is too old and stubborn to change his style of coaching at the end of his career . I would be shocked if he did .
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  • A couple of posters got ran out of here for saying the exact same thing as Russ is saying. Strange.
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  • Well now there's a novel idea! Play winning football all four quarters!
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  • Even if we didn't win 1 extra game because of this, it would still be fun football to watch. Of course we all know that we would win a few more.
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  • With the bar to entering the playoffs getting lowered, it might make sense to make this change.

    There are some good arguments to be made that this strategy keeps us in games and gives Russ a chance to win games we might have otherwise lost. But I think that losing 1 or 2 extra games a year is completely worth it if we do better in the playoffs.

    Right now, our success rate in playoff games outside of the wildcards is pathetic. If can stop letting teams roll up multiple touchdown leads by halftime, we can win 1 or 2 of these. That is progress and success. It does not need to be SB or bust. Just don't get blown out by halftime but our team is so used to playing a certain way - we cannot flip the switch to change in the playoffs until it is too late.

    I know that Carroll believes that this strategy helps us learn to play well in close games. Thing is, in the playoffs the games are not close. We get our doors blown off by end of the 2nd qtr and then spend the next 2 scratching to catch up. And then, even if we get it close, we lose.

    So not sure what the benefit here is. It is a strategy to help us learn to succeed in a playoff environment we rarely find ourselves in. It needs to go, even that costs us a game here and there.
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  • Russell's crazy if he thinks they should throw more at the start of the season!!

    Remember the 1st 2 games of the 2018 season where he got hammered by opposing defenses because we had a new Offensive line? How does he think the current OLine, with LITTLE to NO PRACTICES or preseason games, is going to protect him? It can't!

    They need to get the run game going until this OLine has a chance to gel. Otherwise we're going to have a beat up and gunshy QB halfway through the season.

    Once the OLine starts to come together, then we can open it up. Until then, patience.

    Defenses ALWAYS have the advantage early in the season. It will be magnified this year.

    Ease up Russell. Your coaches know what they're doing. Last year during the play offs, we were decimated in the run game, and our secondary was garbage. Not so this year.
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  • ivotuk wrote:Russell's crazy if he thinks they should throw more at the start of the season!!

    Remember the 1st 2 games of the 2018 season where he got hammered by opposing defenses because we had a new Offensive line? How does he think the current OLine, with LITTLE to NO PRACTICES or preseason games, is going to protect him? It can't!

    They need to get the run game going until this OLine has a chance to gel. Otherwise we're going to have a beat up and gunshy QB halfway through the season.

    Once the OLine starts to come together, then we can open it up. Until then, patience.

    Defenses ALWAYS have the advantage early in the season. It will be magnified this year.

    Ease up Russell. Your coaches know what they're doing. Last year during the play offs, we were decimated in the run game, and our secondary was garbage. Not so this year.



    Remember that we tried to run the same system in 2018. Now image a quick hitting system like we ran in 2015 when the RBs were all injured. FYI defenses really have the advantage when they know we will wait till 3 or fewer seconds to snap it.

    As to your whole last year excuses, sorry the reality is knowing that our defense was garbage but still playing like ti was top 10 was WRONG and shows the coaches don't know what they are doing at all. The only offensive position were we are top 3 is QB so lets start using him like a top 3 QB.


    Also given your concern about the oline how is Wilson throwing more on all downs not better than having him in constant 3rd and longs which put him even more at risk. Answer it is not. It is not even about throwing more so much as mixing it in more, changing when the ball is snapped, changing the rhythm and cadence so the defense can not key off on 3 or fewer seconds.
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  • ivotuk wrote:Russell's crazy if he thinks they should throw more at the start of the season!!

    Remember the 1st 2 games of the 2018 season where he got hammered by opposing defenses because we had a new Offensive line? How does he think the current OLine, with LITTLE to NO PRACTICES or preseason games, is going to protect him? It can't!

    They need to get the run game going until this OLine has a chance to gel. Otherwise we're going to have a beat up and gunshy QB halfway through the season.

    Once the OLine starts to come together, then we can open it up. Until then, patience.

    Defenses ALWAYS have the advantage early in the season. It will be magnified this year.

    Ease up Russell. Your coaches know what they're doing. Last year during the play offs, we were decimated in the run game, and our secondary was garbage. Not so this year.


    You make some great points and that's a very useful description. The league's operating environment and team development this year is very different ....... as in unrepresented. We are witnessing an adventure into uncharted territory.
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  • "Treat every quarter like it's the 4th."

    I doubt you will find a single 12 that disagrees.
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  • austinslater25 wrote:A couple of posters got ran out of here for saying the exact same thing as Russ is saying. Strange.

    You mean some sort of banning ? Hmmm :D
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  • xray wrote:
    austinslater25 wrote:A couple of posters got ran out of here for saying the exact same thing as Russ is saying. Strange.

    You mean some sort of banning ? Hmmm :D


    :177692: The "Let Russ Cook" theme has a large following. It dates back to at least as early as January of this year. The theme has legs. Nobody is being run off or banned for posting similar sentiment within a thread specifically dedicated to it's stated subject.
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  • Jville wrote:
    xray wrote:
    austinslater25 wrote:A couple of posters got ran out of here for saying the exact same thing as Russ is saying. Strange.

    You mean some sort of banning ? Hmmm :D


    :177692: The "Let Russ Cook" theme has a large following. It dates back to at least as early as January of this year. The theme has legs. Nobody is being run off or banned for posting similar sentiment within a thread specifically dedicated to it's stated subject.



    Im with Jville on this. I've even been on the "Let Russ throw more" and "Hike the ball before the playclock is on zero!" wagon, and there've been zero repercussions on myself or my compatriots.

    I'm behind Russell too when it comes to giving him more control at the LOS, just not in the 1st quarter of the season.

    We've got NOBODY on the OLine this year that's completely healthy, or experienced.

    Duane Brown is what? 35? And he's coming off of a knee surgery.

    Mike Iupati is 33 and has been knicked up recently, only playing 1 game in 2017, and 10 in 2018.

    Then there's who at Center, Right Guard, and Right Tackle?

    And they've had how many snaps playing together? Zero.

    I think that once these guys get 4 or so games under their belt, and Russell gets used to his new Center, that then we can go with varied snap counts, and have more options to throw the pass on 1st and 2nd down. But until then, I"m all for Pounding the ball with Chris Carson, Carlos Hyde, and whoever RB3 & RB4 are.

    Chris Carson 1,151 (4.7 YPC) and 1,250 (4.4 YPC) yards in the past 2 years. Carlos Hyde ran for 1040 yards and 4.4 YPC last year. So we've got the horses to beat up on opposing defenses early in the year.

    And with a massively improved defense this year, it won't all be on Russell Wilson's shoulders like it was last year.

    Darrell Taylor, if he can get healthy after his leg surgery, will be a revelation this year, and I would expect 9 sacks from him. Dude is a stud that played all last year with a leg fracture, and was under consideration for a 1st round pick.

    Add to that, LJ Collier is going to show why Seattle picked him in the late 1st round. We just need a little health, and our DLine will have a bounce back year now that we have a secondary.

    THEN, Russell can Cook all he wants, and the Defense will do Clean Up the Pots & PAns!
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  • ivotuk wrote:Russell's crazy if he thinks they should throw more at the start of the season!!

    Remember the 1st 2 games of the 2018 season where he got hammered by opposing defenses because we had a new Offensive line? How does he think the current OLine, with LITTLE to NO PRACTICES or preseason games, is going to protect him? It can't!

    They need to get the run game going until this OLine has a chance to gel. Otherwise we're going to have a beat up and gunshy QB halfway through the season.

    Once the OLine starts to come together, then we can open it up. Until then, patience.

    Defenses ALWAYS have the advantage early in the season. It will be magnified this year.

    Ease up Russell. Your coaches know what they're doing. Last year during the play offs, we were decimated in the run game, and our secondary was garbage. Not so this year.

    Totally agree with this post.. :2thumbs:
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  • Hello fellow Seahawk fans. I've been an avid Seahawks fan from day one of the franchise, and have been reading this forum for quite some time but never posted anything until today. I'm contributing this post, (you might call it a rant), because I feel strongly about it and have felt this way for several years, so here you go.

    So we've arguably got one of the top two QB's in the NFL, and a future Hall of Famer. He's clearly the best player on the team, and one of the best in the entire league, and at the most important position on the football field.

    So why then would Pete Carrol do everything in his power to turn Russ into a game manager for 3 quarters? I promise you defenses and defensive coordinators are scared to death of Russ. But we have a HC that chooses to take one of the best weapons in the NFL and neutralize him. Every defensive coordinator in the league should send PC a thank you card after they play the Hawks because PC is doing them a HUGE favor by running the style of offense he runs and taking the ball out of his best players hands. Honestly, it boggles the mind. There's absolutely no logic in it. Playing not to lose, which is what PC does, is a losers mentality.

    Say what you will about Pete Carrol. You cannot argue with his success since he's been in Seattle, and I thank him for that. And I actually enjoy his high energy style of coaching. BUT, how much of his success here is due to RW bailing him out time and time again in the 4th quarter with a miracle comeback? Put a league average QB on the team and I would argue that Carrol's record in Seattle would be mediocre at best.

    His coaching philosophy is archaic and outdated. Wilson's prime years are being wasted because of a HC who refuses to see the gift he's been given staring him right in the face. How many teams in the NFL have been trying desperately, for years, or even decades, to find a franchise QB, and we have one of the best, but refuse to utilize him to his full potential. Russ is a great QB and a future HOF'er, but he could be even better with a coach that knows how to properly use him, like an Andy Reid.

    I desperately hope Carroll will listen to Wilson's pleas to remove the handcuffs and actually play to win for 4 quarters instead of one. Remove the handcuffs, sign Clowney, and this is a Super Bowl team once again.

    And for the earlier poster that said RW would not survive behind our offensive line, well without going into a lot of detail, I actually think they'll be better than most think. But even if they're not, how many times has RW had a good OL since he's been here? The answer is never. And yet I'd say he's been pretty successful here, wouldn't you? And he's never missed a start. So I don't really consider that a valid argument.
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  • Great first post Trader Gary. Welcome aboard.
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  • Title is so mis-leading.

    He wants every quarter to be like the 4th quarter.
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  • TraderGary wrote:Hello fellow Seahawk fans. I've been an avid Seahawks fan from day one of the franchise, and have been reading this forum for quite some time but never posted anything until today. I'm contributing this post, (you might call it a rant), because I feel strongly about it and have felt this way for several years, so here you go.

    So we've arguably got one of the top two QB's in the NFL, and a future Hall of Famer. He's clearly the best player on the team, and one of the best in the entire league, and at the most important position on the football field.

    So why then would Pete Carrol do everything in his power to turn Russ into a game manager for 3 quarters? I promise you defenses and defensive coordinators are scared to death of Russ. But we have a HC that chooses to take one of the best weapons in the NFL and neutralize him. Every defensive coordinator in the league should send PC a thank you card after they play the Hawks because PC is doing them a HUGE favor by running the style of offense he runs and taking the ball out of his best players hands. Honestly, it boggles the mind. There's absolutely no logic in it. Playing not to lose, which is what PC does, is a losers mentality.

    Say what you will about Pete Carrol. You cannot argue with his success since he's been in Seattle, and I thank him for that. And I actually enjoy his high energy style of coaching. BUT, how much of his success here is due to RW bailing him out time and time again in the 4th quarter with a miracle comeback? Put a league average QB on the team and I would argue that Carrol's record in Seattle would be mediocre at best.

    His coaching philosophy is archaic and outdated. Wilson's prime years are being wasted because of a HC who refuses to see the gift he's been given staring him right in the face. How many teams in the NFL have been trying desperately, for years, or even decades, to find a franchise QB, and we have one of the best, but refuse to utilize him to his full potential. Russ is a great QB and a future HOF'er, but he could be even better with a coach that knows how to properly use him, like an Andy Reid.

    I desperately hope Carroll will listen to Wilson's pleas to remove the handcuffs and actually play to win for 4 quarters instead of one. Remove the handcuffs, sign Clowney, and this is a Super Bowl team once again.

    And for the earlier poster that said RW would not survive behind our offensive line, well without going into a lot of detail, I actually think they'll be better than most think. But even if they're not, how many times has RW had a good OL since he's been here? The answer is never. And yet I'd say he's been pretty successful here, wouldn't you? And he's never missed a start. So I don't really consider that a valid argument.


    Welcome as well!

    For years I have been saying the same thing on this board. It's really good to finally see RW say it out loud. I only hope PC listens and will be receptive. But he is very stubborn and set in his ways. It may take RW to just call his own plays in the huddle, or at the line regardless of what PC wants to do. PC won't pull him from the game. That would be suicide.

    It will be very interesting to see.
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  • kf3339 wrote:
    TraderGary wrote:Hello fellow Seahawk fans. I've been an avid Seahawks fan from day one of the franchise, and have been reading this forum for quite some time but never posted anything until today. I'm contributing this post, (you might call it a rant), because I feel strongly about it and have felt this way for several years, so here you go.

    So we've arguably got one of the top two QB's in the NFL, and a future Hall of Famer. He's clearly the best player on the team, and one of the best in the entire league, and at the most important position on the football field.

    So why then would Pete Carrol do everything in his power to turn Russ into a game manager for 3 quarters? I promise you defenses and defensive coordinators are scared to death of Russ. But we have a HC that chooses to take one of the best weapons in the NFL and neutralize him. Every defensive coordinator in the league should send PC a thank you card after they play the Hawks because PC is doing them a HUGE favor by running the style of offense he runs and taking the ball out of his best players hands. Honestly, it boggles the mind. There's absolutely no logic in it. Playing not to lose, which is what PC does, is a losers mentality.

    Say what you will about Pete Carrol. You cannot argue with his success since he's been in Seattle, and I thank him for that. And I actually enjoy his high energy style of coaching. BUT, how much of his success here is due to RW bailing him out time and time again in the 4th quarter with a miracle comeback? Put a league average QB on the team and I would argue that Carrol's record in Seattle would be mediocre at best.

    His coaching philosophy is archaic and outdated. Wilson's prime years are being wasted because of a HC who refuses to see the gift he's been given staring him right in the face. How many teams in the NFL have been trying desperately, for years, or even decades, to find a franchise QB, and we have one of the best, but refuse to utilize him to his full potential. Russ is a great QB and a future HOF'er, but he could be even better with a coach that knows how to properly use him, like an Andy Reid.

    I desperately hope Carroll will listen to Wilson's pleas to remove the handcuffs and actually play to win for 4 quarters instead of one. Remove the handcuffs, sign Clowney, and this is a Super Bowl team once again.

    And for the earlier poster that said RW would not survive behind our offensive line, well without going into a lot of detail, I actually think they'll be better than most think. But even if they're not, how many times has RW had a good OL since he's been here? The answer is never. And yet I'd say he's been pretty successful here, wouldn't you? And he's never missed a start. So I don't really consider that a valid argument.


    Welcome as well!

    For years I have been saying the same thing on this board. It's really good to finally see RW say it out loud. I only hope PC listens and will be receptive. But he is very stubborn and set in his ways. It may take RW to just call his own plays in the huddle, or at the line regardless of what PC wants to do. PC won't pull him from the game. That would be suicide.

    It will be very interesting to see.


    Thanks for the welcome guys. Appreciate it.

    As for RW calling his own plays and going against the wishes of his coaches, he would never do that IMO. That's just not who he is.

    I'm really happy to see RW finally speaking up and expressing his opinions and desires. I applaud him for that, and I too hope PC will be receptive to his wishes and turn him loose. I'm on the let Russ cook bandwagon, and have been for a long time.

    I don't expect PC to completely change his spots at this point in his career. He will always be a coach who wants to establish the run, and that's fine. But his stated goal of shortening the game as much as possible, keeping it close, and letting it come down to who can make the plays in the 4th quarter is a seriously flawed strategy IMO. Why not come out strong at the beginning, and if you can build a comfortable lead, then you can run your conservative approach, within reason of course. But play to win the damn game in all 4 quarters, not just one.

    Mix it up. Run an up tempo offense at times. Not always, but keep the defense guessing..... keep them on their heels. How many times have we seen the opposing defenses look completely gassed and even panic stricken at times in the 4th quarter when they decide to turn RW loose? Why would you not do that off and on through the entire game? Think back at how dynamic this offense is in the 4th quarter, and could potentially be in the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd if given the opportunity. When RW is on his game, he's virtually unstoppable. Why not take full advantage of the weapon you've been given, and let your best players win the game for you.

    I don't claim to know more than the coaches do. That's why I sit at home on the sofa watching the games on TV. But the logic just seems so obvious to me.

    I apologize for the lengthy posts, but I'm passionate about this team and I'm passionate about this debate. And this has been a thorn in my side for too long and I need to vent. lol
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  • The "Let Russ Cook", argument has far more nuance than just volume passing, but the layman fans inevitably drag the argument down to that level.

    It really has not much to do with volume, and more about approach to the start of games. And not taking the foot off the pedal, in the 2nd half if they happen to build a lead. See ATL & CAR last year.

    A varied attack, not a bullheaded, straightforward, piss away possessions attack. If Seattle played every qtr like the 4th qtr they would go 13-3.
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  • Fade wrote:The "Let Russ Cook", argument has far more nuance than just volume passing, but the layman fans inevitably drag the argument down to that level.

    It really has not much to do with volume, and more about approach to the start of games. And not taking the foot off the pedal, in the 2nd half if they happen to build a lead. See ATL & CAR last year.

    A varied attack, not a bullheaded, straightforward, piss away possessions attack. If Seattle played every qtr like the 4th qtr they would go 13-3.

    This.
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  • Sports Hernia wrote:
    Fade wrote:The "Let Russ Cook", argument has far more nuance than just volume passing, but the layman fans inevitably drag the argument down to that level.

    It really has not much to do with volume, and more about approach to the start of games. And not taking the foot off the pedal, in the 2nd half if they happen to build a lead. See ATL & CAR last year.

    A varied attack, not a bullheaded, straightforward, piss away possessions attack. If Seattle played every qtr like the 4th qtr they would go 13-3.

    This.


    :ditto:
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  • Dude is it crazy to believe that once Wilson starts regressing as an athlete and becomes more of pure pocket passer that his floor might still be better than a prime Matt Hasselbeck. #ThisIs3sTeam
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  • TraderGary wrote:Hello fellow Seahawk fans. I've been an avid Seahawks fan from day one of the franchise, and have been reading this forum for quite some time but never posted anything until today. I'm contributing this post, (you might call it a rant), because I feel strongly about it and have felt this way for several years, so here you go.

    So we've arguably got one of the top two QB's in the NFL, and a future Hall of Famer. He's clearly the best player on the team, and one of the best in the entire league, and at the most important position on the football field.

    So why then would Pete Carrol do everything in his power to turn Russ into a game manager for 3 quarters? I promise you defenses and defensive coordinators are scared to death of Russ. But we have a HC that chooses to take one of the best weapons in the NFL and neutralize him. Every defensive coordinator in the league should send PC a thank you card after they play the Hawks because PC is doing them a HUGE favor by running the style of offense he runs and taking the ball out of his best players hands. Honestly, it boggles the mind. There's absolutely no logic in it. Playing not to lose, which is what PC does, is a losers mentality.

    Say what you will about Pete Carrol. You cannot argue with his success since he's been in Seattle, and I thank him for that. And I actually enjoy his high energy style of coaching. BUT, how much of his success here is due to RW bailing him out time and time again in the 4th quarter with a miracle comeback? Put a league average QB on the team and I would argue that Carrol's record in Seattle would be mediocre at best.

    His coaching philosophy is archaic and outdated. Wilson's prime years are being wasted because of a HC who refuses to see the gift he's been given staring him right in the face. How many teams in the NFL have been trying desperately, for years, or even decades, to find a franchise QB, and we have one of the best, but refuse to utilize him to his full potential. Russ is a great QB and a future HOF'er, but he could be even better with a coach that knows how to properly use him, like an Andy Reid.

    I desperately hope Carroll will listen to Wilson's pleas to remove the handcuffs and actually play to win for 4 quarters instead of one. Remove the handcuffs, sign Clowney, and this is a Super Bowl team once again.

    And for the earlier poster that said RW would not survive behind our offensive line, well without going into a lot of detail, I actually think they'll be better than most think. But even if they're not, how many times has RW had a good OL since he's been here? The answer is never. And yet I'd say he's been pretty successful here, wouldn't you? And he's never missed a start. So I don't really consider that a valid argument.


    Killer first post bro. This site could have used you long before now. Hard to argue with common sense.
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  • Fade wrote:The "Let Russ Cook", argument has far more nuance than just volume passing, but the layman fans inevitably drag the argument down to that level.

    It really has not much to do with volume, and more about approach to the start of games. And not taking the foot off the pedal, in the 2nd half if they happen to build a lead. See ATL & CAR last year.

    A varied attack, not a bullheaded, straightforward, piss away possessions attack. If Seattle played every qtr like the 4th qtr they would go 13-3.

    The number of uneducated opinions that think it just means "pass moar!!" is depressing. Letting Russell do what he wants to do and control the offense is what it's all about, as you've stated. We would be considerably better if Pete could just let go and let Russell do it...
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  • RolandDeschain wrote:
    Fade wrote:The "Let Russ Cook", argument has far more nuance than just volume passing, but the layman fans inevitably drag the argument down to that level.

    It really has not much to do with volume, and more about approach to the start of games. And not taking the foot off the pedal, in the 2nd half if they happen to build a lead. See ATL & CAR last year.

    A varied attack, not a bullheaded, straightforward, piss away possessions attack. If Seattle played every qtr like the 4th qtr they would go 13-3.

    The number of uneducated opinions that think it just means "pass moar!!" is depressing. Letting Russell do what he wants to do and control the offense is what it's all about, as you've stated. We would be considerably better if Pete could just let go and let Russell do it...


    I agree with both these comments. My point was not necessarily to throw the ball a ton more, but to be more imaginative. Doing things like rolling RW out. That puts so much pressure on the defense because they don't know if he's going to tuck the ball and run or throw it. It creates mismatches and open receivers running down the field. By making RW strictly a pocket passer plays right into the opposing defense and makes him much easier to defend.

    And not only that. Running an up-tempo style offense suits RW's talents perfectly, and at times causes confusion on the opposing defenses because they don't have time to regroup or make substitutions.

    The 3 yards and a cloud of dust, and too often being in 3rd and long where the opposing defense can pin their ears back and go after our QB just doesn't work in today's NFL.

    These are the points I was trying to make. I think we are in agreement here.
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  • Fade wrote:The "A varied attack, not a bullheaded, straightforward, piss away possessions attack. If Seattle played every qtr like the 4th qtr they would go 13-3.


    This! 1000% this! If this happened, I could see 11-5 or 12-4 (dunno about 13-3, but I'd take it). The biggest thing to me though, is how the o-line does, especially in the beginning of the season. You're only as strong as your weakest link, and I believe the o-line is ours. These are the boys that need to "cook".
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  • RolandDeschain wrote:
    Fade wrote:The "Let Russ Cook", argument has far more nuance than just volume passing, but the layman fans inevitably drag the argument down to that level.

    It really has not much to do with volume, and more about approach to the start of games. And not taking the foot off the pedal, in the 2nd half if they happen to build a lead. See ATL & CAR last year.

    A varied attack, not a bullheaded, straightforward, piss away possessions attack. If Seattle played every qtr like the 4th qtr they would go 13-3.

    The number of uneducated opinions that think it just means "pass moar!!" is depressing. Letting Russell do what he wants to do and control the offense is what it's all about, as you've stated. We would be considerably better if Pete could just let go and let Russell do it...


    But I was told by a couple of frequent shack posters that Pete's approach is perfect. Strangely they're silent on the issue.
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  • austinslater25 wrote:
    RolandDeschain wrote:
    Fade wrote:The "Let Russ Cook", argument has far more nuance than just volume passing, but the layman fans inevitably drag the argument down to that level.

    It really has not much to do with volume, and more about approach to the start of games. And not taking the foot off the pedal, in the 2nd half if they happen to build a lead. See ATL & CAR last year.

    A varied attack, not a bullheaded, straightforward, piss away possessions attack. If Seattle played every qtr like the 4th qtr they would go 13-3.

    The number of uneducated opinions that think it just means "pass moar!!" is depressing. Letting Russell do what he wants to do and control the offense is what it's all about, as you've stated. We would be considerably better if Pete could just let go and let Russell do it...


    But I was told by a couple of frequent shack posters that Pete's approach is perfect. Strangely they're silent on the issue.


    :177692: What goes on in the shack is best kept in the shack.

    This forum has a well thought out and discussed structure. Everyone's support is needed.

    With regards to interest in the narrative "Let Russ Cook", this is as good a thread as any to "Let Posters Cook" ....... just support both the forum structure and guidelines.
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  • A gentle but clear shot across Pete's bow by Russ and to that I say good for him.

    This has been Russ's team for some time now. Pete's ego needs to step aside and let it happen.

    Russ will have a huge impact on who the Hawks bring in to replace Pete. Will be interesting to see how that all plays out but for now, yes, let Russ be the deciding factor of how we play on the offensive side for all four quarters and stop trying to shackle him with an outdated scheme.
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  • The big question is how much is this Carroll's predilection and how much is necessity?

    Is it that because run blocking is easier and less taxing on OL that our OL can only effectively pass block for a quarter? (What about all the games we got in shootouts and won by scoring 30+ over 4 quarters then?)

    Even more baffling is that by scoring enough, you can then run the clock down by running the ball - exactly the way that Carroll likes to do so. That Carroll chooses to run first and then pass in the end of the game is the polar opposite of how most coaches want to see a game. So why?

    Is this a necessary part of our success like Russ 'holding the ball too long'?

    (There was a lot made earlier on how Russ 'holds the ball too long' and how that needed to change. The challenge, when you make that change you take one of our best weapons from us. Russ is fantastic at reading the receivers after they make their move and then getting the ball to them. That offensive concept is almost uncoverable, but it needs time for the play to develop. He has to hold onto the ball longer to make the read at the right time. A really good overview of this is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjrHuG2LfXg)

    So is trying to play offense all 4 quarters that same issue? Or is this just Pete clinging to a philosophy because it works overall in the regular season? (though not in the playoffs)

    Is this just Pete trying to be effective with a garbage OL? Or Pete forcing an old outdated philosophy on us that works in the regular season but fails in the playoffs?(Used to be called MartyBall).

    Our current approach has failed in the playoffs since the SB loss. Time to try something new. Russ is right.






    NOTE:
    It is interesting to note that in the youtube link shared, Seahawks were getting ready to play Dallas in the playoffs. When that game happened, Pete stubbornly refused to unleash Russ until late in the game. Choosing to run into stacked boxes for little to no gain. Repeatedly. Finally, with little alternative - we started passing the ball and but it was too late.
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  • TwistedHusky wrote:
    Our current approach has failed in the playoffs since the SB loss. Time to try something new. Russ is right.


    NOTE:
    It is interesting to note that in the youtube link shared, Seahawks were getting ready to play Dallas in the playoffs. When that game happened, Pete stubbornly refused to unleash Russ until late in the game. Choosing to run into stacked boxes for little to no gain. Repeatedly. Finally, with little alternative - we started passing the ball and but it was too late.



    YUP.
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  • Fade wrote:The "Let Russ Cook", argument has far more nuance than just volume passing, but the layman fans inevitably drag the argument down to that level.

    It really has not much to do with volume, and more about approach to the start of games. And not taking the foot off the pedal, in the 2nd half if they happen to build a lead. See ATL & CAR last year.

    A varied attack, not a bullheaded, straightforward, piss away possessions attack. If Seattle played every qtr like the 4th qtr they would go 13-3.


    WRONG.

    We would actually go 12-4.
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  • Fade wrote:The "Let Russ Cook", argument has far more nuance than just volume passing, but the layman fans inevitably drag the argument down to that level.

    It really has not much to do with volume, and more about approach to the start of games. And not taking the foot off the pedal, in the 2nd half if they happen to build a lead. See ATL & CAR last year.

    A varied attack, not a bullheaded, straightforward, piss away possessions attack. If Seattle played every qtr like the 4th qtr they would go 13-3.



    exactly
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  • Pandion Haliaetus wrote:Dude is it crazy to believe that once Wilson starts regressing as an athlete and becomes more of pure pocket passer that his floor might still be better than a prime Matt Hasselbeck. #ThisIs3sTeam


    no he is better than Hass even now in the pocket, when he has one
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  • John63 wrote:
    Pandion Haliaetus wrote:Dude is it crazy to believe that once Wilson starts regressing as an athlete and becomes more of pure pocket passer that his floor might still be better than a prime Matt Hasselbeck. #ThisIs3sTeam


    no he is better than Hass even now in the pocket, when he has one


    I was thinking more so a 36+ Russell Wilson and saying at worst in those years he might still be better than a prime Matt Hasselbeck.
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  • John63 wrote:
    Pandion Haliaetus wrote:Dude is it crazy to believe that once Wilson starts regressing as an athlete and becomes more of pure pocket passer that his floor might still be better than a prime Matt Hasselbeck. #ThisIs3sTeam


    no he is better than Hass even now in the pocket, when he has one



    He said "Floor."

    that means "at worst."
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  • RolandDeschain wrote:
    Fade wrote:The "Let Russ Cook", argument has far more nuance than just volume passing, but the layman fans inevitably drag the argument down to that level.

    It really has not much to do with volume, and more about approach to the start of games. And not taking the foot off the pedal, in the 2nd half if they happen to build a lead. See ATL & CAR last year.

    A varied attack, not a bullheaded, straightforward, piss away possessions attack. If Seattle played every qtr like the 4th qtr they would go 13-3.

    The number of uneducated opinions that think it just means "pass moar!!" is depressing. Letting Russell do what he wants to do and control the offense is what it's all about, as you've stated. We would be considerably better if Pete could just let go and let Russell do it...


    Roland, have you been drinking? Or just munching on that Devil Weed?
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  • ivotuk wrote:Roland, have you been drinking? Or just munching on that Devil Weed?

    No; the misspelling was intentional. Well, drinking about 3x per month while watching numerous stupid fellow Americans insist they don't need to wear face masks and continuing to keep us in a perpetual state of half-shutdown due to COVID-19.
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  • RolandDeschain wrote:No; the misspelling was intentional. Well, drinking about 3x per month while watching numerous stupid fellow Americans insist they don't need to wear face masks and continuing to keep us in a perpetual state of half-shutdown due to COVID-19.


    Source?
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  • BirdsCommaAngry wrote:Source?

    The ability to think critically and logically; and to also understand basic concepts in general. Go ask a surgeon why they've been wearing face masks for nearly a century while they perform surgery.
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  • ivotuk wrote:
    John63 wrote:
    Pandion Haliaetus wrote:Dude is it crazy to believe that once Wilson starts regressing as an athlete and becomes more of pure pocket passer that his floor might still be better than a prime Matt Hasselbeck. #ThisIs3sTeam


    no he is better than Hass even now in the pocket, when he has one



    He said "Floor."

    that means "at worst."


    This made my day. LOL. Just cuz I had to reply too to kind of spell it out.

    Always ‘preciate your contributions ivotuk and overall efforts to keep conversations relevant.

    Always thought your title should be *Drops More Links Than Zelda*
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