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Re: They're Getting Pressure on the QB
Wed Oct 14, 2020 6:14 pm
  • Reed did a great job vs the Vikes, but that was his best game to this point, by far.

    I'm not entirely opposed to zone. There are a lot of different kinds of zone. It is passive zone that I hate. A good aggressive help zone, which is basically the same thing as help man, is an effective option. I HATE prevent unless the clock is down to one play remaining, they're on their own 30, and one of your 3 D linemen is named Aaron.

    Losing Blaire was huge. Losing Adams was huge. Getting some help on the line may be huge. We've played 1/4 of the season. It's going to be interesting to see how this plays out.
    I would feel better about it if Quinn was back on board to give his two cents, but it wouldn't make a whit of difference short term. Best part would be it puts him in position to be promoted...in case there's an opening.
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Re: They're Getting Pressure on the QB
Thu Oct 15, 2020 10:14 pm
  • TraderGary wrote:
    Great post Fade! I created a very similar post basically making the exact same points as you did here. This is the link if you would like to read it.
    https://seahawks.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=167498

    If I had read this thread beforehand, I would not have gone to the trouble because we're basically saying the same thing. Nice to know I have some company in my concerns/frustrations.

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Re: They're Getting Pressure on the QB
Fri Oct 16, 2020 1:04 pm
  • Per Football Outsiders the Seahawks average time of possession per drive is
    2:37 below the league average of 2:52. The Drive Success rate either a first down or touch down is .782 well above the league average of .745. Averaging 33.8 points a game second in the league clearly they are not emphasizing ball control. Let Russ cook is nice but longer drives would help the defense immensely. The team needs to find a happy medium between Let Russ Cook and Pete ball. Carson is the perfect back for a ball control rushing attack and he is averaging just 12.2 carries a game. The point is until this defense improves it is best to keep them off the field even if we see less of Russell Wilson's awesome passing game.
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Re: They're Getting Pressure on the QB
Fri Oct 16, 2020 3:45 pm
  • tersal wrote:Per Football Outsiders the Seahawks average time of possession per drive is
    2:37 below the league average of 2:52. The Drive Success rate either a first down or touch down is .782 well above the league average of .745. Averaging 33.8 points a game second in the league clearly they are not emphasizing ball control. Let Russ cook is nice but longer drives would help the defense immensely. The team needs to find a happy medium between Let Russ Cook and Pete ball. Carson is the perfect back for a ball control rushing attack and he is averaging just 12.2 carries a game. The point is until this defense improves it is best to keep them off the field even if we see less of Russell Wilson's awesome passing game.


    I would tend to agree if the defense was getting off the field early in the game, and as the game wore on they gassed out and couldn't get off the field.

    They simply can't get off the field on 3rd down. That is the problem. The offense could also do a better job of converting on 3rd down, but they've been so explosive they've done a good job of avoiding the down entirely and putting points on the board.

    They need to pick the tempo up actually early in games, build a big lead. Force the other team to press, get some turnovers. Then run the hell out of the ball in the 2nd half with a big lead. That is how they're built.

    All slowing the game down on offense will do is lower the ceiling of what they can achieve. We watched that the last 5 years, I'm good. "Pete Ball" sucks.
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Re: They're Getting Pressure on the QB
Fri Oct 16, 2020 4:28 pm
  • Pete is the Holding Call of coaches.
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Re: They're Getting Pressure on the QB
Fri Oct 16, 2020 5:45 pm
  • Fade wrote:
    tersal wrote:Per Football Outsiders the Seahawks average time of possession per drive is
    2:37 below the league average of 2:52. The Drive Success rate either a first down or touch down is .782 well above the league average of .745. Averaging 33.8 points a game second in the league clearly they are not emphasizing ball control. Let Russ cook is nice but longer drives would help the defense immensely. The team needs to find a happy medium between Let Russ Cook and Pete ball. Carson is the perfect back for a ball control rushing attack and he is averaging just 12.2 carries a game. The point is until this defense improves it is best to keep them off the field even if we see less of Russell Wilson's awesome passing game.


    I would tend to agree if the defense was getting off the field early in the game, and as the game wore on they gassed out and couldn't get off the field.

    They simply can't get off the field on 3rd down. That is the problem. The offense could also do a better job of converting on 3rd down, but they've been so explosive they've done a good job of avoiding the down entirely and putting points on the board.

    They need to pick the tempo up actually early in games, build a big lead. Force the other team to press, get some turnovers. Then run the hell out of the ball in the 2nd half with a big lead. That is how they're built.

    All slowing the game down on offense will do is lower the ceiling of what they can achieve. We watched that the last 5 years, I'm good. "Pete Ball" sucks.


    Agree with what you said about not going full pete ball, but there is a ton of sense in not exposing your weaknesses. regardless of how successful the defense is or isnt on third down, keeping them off the field if you can is smart. i too have no love for an offense that doesnt utilize its strongest weapon. But i also remember all too well the holmgren years when we could run and shoot / west coast ourselves to a td in 1:52 seconds all day but then were constantly having to run back out on the field to retake the lead we'd just given up because the D was so porous.

    What's the answer? there isnt a good one unless the D gets markedly better. We have won 5 straight. But we've also had the benefit of no crowd noise and its no surprise across the league that offenses on average are playing well. Will be interesting to see how crowd noise in hostile environments effects the current trend, including our Hawks. Assuming there are any crowds this year.

    It will also be interesting to see how we counter the adjustments that other teams will make to our new look O. The Vikes neutralized us for a half. I would expect more of that in the future, maybe not with that degree of success, but i don't think the hawks can continue at the torrid pace they've been on without the defense stepping up. And if the O does begin to struggle and cant put up 30 burgers every week, it would be VERY smart to up our TOP as much as possible. that has zero to do with PeteBall. Its just smart ball.
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Re: They're Getting Pressure on the QB
Sun Oct 18, 2020 9:02 pm
  • keasley45 wrote:
    Fade wrote:
    tersal wrote:Per Football Outsiders the Seahawks average time of possession per drive is
    2:37 below the league average of 2:52. The Drive Success rate either a first down or touch down is .782 well above the league average of .745. Averaging 33.8 points a game second in the league clearly they are not emphasizing ball control. Let Russ cook is nice but longer drives would help the defense immensely. The team needs to find a happy medium between Let Russ Cook and Pete ball. Carson is the perfect back for a ball control rushing attack and he is averaging just 12.2 carries a game. The point is until this defense improves it is best to keep them off the field even if we see less of Russell Wilson's awesome passing game.


    I would tend to agree if the defense was getting off the field early in the game, and as the game wore on they gassed out and couldn't get off the field.

    They simply can't get off the field on 3rd down. That is the problem. The offense could also do a better job of converting on 3rd down, but they've been so explosive they've done a good job of avoiding the down entirely and putting points on the board.

    They need to pick the tempo up actually early in games, build a big lead. Force the other team to press, get some turnovers. Then run the hell out of the ball in the 2nd half with a big lead. That is how they're built.

    All slowing the game down on offense will do is lower the ceiling of what they can achieve. We watched that the last 5 years, I'm good. "Pete Ball" sucks.


    Agree with what you said about not going full pete ball, but there is a ton of sense in not exposing your weaknesses. regardless of how successful the defense is or isnt on third down, keeping them off the field if you can is smart. i too have no love for an offense that doesnt utilize its strongest weapon. But i also remember all too well the holmgren years when we could run and shoot / west coast ourselves to a td in 1:52 seconds all day but then were constantly having to run back out on the field to retake the lead we'd just given up because the D was so porous.

    What's the answer? there isnt a good one unless the D gets markedly better. We have won 5 straight. But we've also had the benefit of no crowd noise and its no surprise across the league that offenses on average are playing well. Will be interesting to see how crowd noise in hostile environments effects the current trend, including our Hawks. Assuming there are any crowds this year.

    It will also be interesting to see how we counter the adjustments that other teams will make to our new look O. The Vikes neutralized us for a half. I would expect more of that in the future, maybe not with that degree of success, but i don't think the hawks can continue at the torrid pace they've been on without the defense stepping up. And if the O does begin to struggle and cant put up 30 burgers every week, it would be VERY smart to up our TOP as much as possible. that has zero to do with PeteBall. Its just smart ball.


    Two interesting responses I tend to agree with KEasley the Vikes shut The Seahawks down by keeping Russ off the field. Fade's suggestion of getting off to big leads is nice however this defense has not shown it can stop anyone. Though I do think they will improve. I am not recommending full PeteBALL a short passing game also accomplish ball control time of possession however, 12 carries a game for Carson is also wasting a very strong weapon. The area this offense has been weak in is third down conversion rate more third and shorts will assist in that area. Finally until this defense improves either by adjustment or personnel change the best approach is to keep them off the field.
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Re: They're Getting Pressure on the QB
Sun Oct 18, 2020 9:25 pm
  • MontanaHawk05 wrote:
    AubHawk71 wrote:Enough with the soft zone already. I don't want to regress where it is only fun watching the 4th qtr of the game like the last couple of years and hoping for another Wilson miracle. FUN!


    Pete's argument would probably be that without the soft zone, we'd be giving up far MORE passing yards, and probably touchdowns, via the long ball. That is what soft zone exists to prevent - give up the underneath stuff but prevent the 60-yard bomb, then crank up the pass rush when they get into field goal range.

    I don't like it either, but there's a reason it's done.

    To me the difference visually between LOB and now (just the secondary) is that the LOB was really good at diagnosing routes playing that zone and it was short pass, catch, tackle right there. Not much YAC and they were on top of it if you tried to go over the top (with the exception of the TE seam route, which has always been a problem). It was a man/zone hybrid with the LOB. Now it's soft zone and dink and dunk turns into big chunks cause our guys are nowhere in the zipcode when the receiver catches the ball underneath. Even Sherm was susceptible to the stuff underneath when he had follow a crossing route to the middle of the field. Everything deep and outside, he pretty much snuffed out.
    I don't think you can discount how bad corners affect the linebackers and safeties. Those position groups can't count on the corners to be where they're supposed to. You ignore it and just "do your job" for a while, but at some point, you start trying to cover them and get out of position yourself.
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Re: They're Getting Pressure on the QB
Mon Oct 19, 2020 5:11 pm
  • Via Joe Fann through 5 weeks the Seahawks rank 5th in total pressures. So as per the title they are getting pressure.


    The Seahawks offense is not good enough on 3rd down to play ball control on offense, it would just lead to them punting more and scoring less, losing more games. They are an explosive offense, it's who they are.

    I'm getting tired of fans solutions to the Seahawks problems is to put more on Wilson's plate.

    How about Norton and Pete get the defense to play better and get their asses off the field on 3rd down?
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Re: They're Getting Pressure on the QB
Mon Oct 19, 2020 6:14 pm
  • Fade wrote:Via Joe Fann through 5 weeks the Seahawks rank 5th in total pressures. So as per the title they are getting pressure.


    The Seahawks offense is not good enough on 3rd down to play ball control on offense, it would just lead to them punting more and scoring less, losing more games. They are an explosive offense, it's who they are.

    I'm getting tired of fans solutions to the Seahawks problems is to put more on Wilson's plate.

    How about Norton and Pete get the defense to play better and get their asses off the field on 3rd down?


    Fade, fans opinions are what these sights are all about. There is more than one way to skin a cat. Finaly I am fairly certain the defense will improve. By the home stretch they will look much better.
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Re: They're Getting Pressure on the QB
Mon Oct 19, 2020 9:38 pm
  • tersal wrote:
    Fade wrote:Via Joe Fann through 5 weeks the Seahawks rank 5th in total pressures. So as per the title they are getting pressure.


    The Seahawks offense is not good enough on 3rd down to play ball control on offense, it would just lead to them punting more and scoring less, losing more games. They are an explosive offense, it's who they are.

    I'm getting tired of fans solutions to the Seahawks problems is to put more on Wilson's plate.

    How about Norton and Pete get the defense to play better and get their asses off the field on 3rd down?


    Fade, fans opinions are what these sights are all about. There is more than one way to skin a cat. Finaly I am fairly certain the defense will improve. By the home stretch they will look much better.


    Sure. I'm just pointing out the solution can't always be -> Russ just needs to be even better, he can carry even more. <-

    He is playing at a ridiculously high level right now, like GOAT level right now. Most would even question if it is even sustainable, and they can barely scrape by, could be 3-2.

    It would be nice if the others played, and in Norton's case coached better for a change. Wilson is currently carrying a historically bad defense, that doesn't have historically bad personnel. It's not hard to figure out what the problem is here.

    If they would scheme up 3rd downs better, and pressed their corners consistently to take away the cheap stuff, problem solved. No, instead let's slow the game down and give Wilson only 8 possessions to score 31 points, instead of 11 possessions. He can handle it. Totally asinine. Fans can have opinions, but I'm going to run them through the logic filter and see if they checkout. This one doesn't.
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Re: They're Getting Pressure on the QB
Tue Oct 20, 2020 5:57 am
  • Fade wrote:
    tersal wrote:
    Fade wrote:Via Joe Fann through 5 weeks the Seahawks rank 5th in total pressures. So as per the title they are getting pressure.


    The Seahawks offense is not good enough on 3rd down to play ball control on offense, it would just lead to them punting more and scoring less, losing more games. They are an explosive offense, it's who they are.

    I'm getting tired of fans solutions to the Seahawks problems is to put more on Wilson's plate.

    How about Norton and Pete get the defense to play better and get their asses off the field on 3rd down?


    Fade, fans opinions are what these sights are all about. There is more than one way to skin a cat. Finaly I am fairly certain the defense will improve. By the home stretch they will look much better.


    Sure. I'm just pointing out the solution can't always be -> Russ just needs to be even better, he can carry even more. <-

    He is playing at a ridiculously high level right now, like GOAT level right now. Most would even question if it is even sustainable, and they can barely scrape by, could be 3-2.

    It would be nice if the others played, and in Norton's case coached better for a change. Wilson is currently carrying a historically bad defense, that doesn't have historically bad personnel. It's not hard to figure out what the problem is here.

    If they would scheme up 3rd downs better, and pressed their corners consistently to take away the cheap stuff, problem solved. No, instead let's slow the game down and give Wilson only 8 possessions to score 31 points, instead of 11 possessions. He can handle it. Totally asinine. Fans can have opinions, but I'm going to run them through the logic filter and see if they checkout. This one doesn't.


    Thanks for the clarification I always enjoy your insights.
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