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  • I have been watching Russell since his rookie season and one thing I believe is that Russell has not improved against defenses that blitz like crazy. I never see any pre-snap adjustments from him like you would from qbs like Tom Brady, Rodgers etc. If he is making pre-snap adjustments then it doesn't seem to be the right adjustments because someone is always coming through. I used to believe that Pete was the one stopping Russ from making those adjustments but I have a hard time believing that would still be the case after 8 years. This goes all the way back to Russell's first game which was against Arizona. I understand that when a team can pressure you with the front 4 then there is not much any qb can do about it. However, I have noticed that Russell doesn't seem to burn teams that rely heavily on blitzing to bring pressure like other QBs can. Is it just him being stubborn and wanting the big play every time or is he just unable to handle blitzes?
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  • I'm a trenches fan . The OL has been Wilson's baggage to carry since day one . He's older fatter and slower too . That's life . :D
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  • The last four games have revealed a chin* in Russel's armor.......susceptibility to the "blitz". His OL is not consistent enough for him to take the time for those long developing plays. IMO.....he has to revert to the quick passes. He also needs a "running game" for a balanced attack.
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  • strohmin wrote: Is it just him being stubborn and wanting the big play every time or is he just unable to handle blitzes?


    Russ has always been an impatient player - he wants to make chunk plays as much as possible. So he will miss or even ignore the hot route. Sometimes he will take the sack instead of throwing the ball away. This has always been his style, even when we had a good defense...

    His ability to extend plays is a strength, but can also be a weakness when he is not decisive.
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  • God the complete crap some on here make up now that Wilson had a few bad games and they can come out of hiding.
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  • strohmin wrote:I have been watching Russell since his rookie season and one thing I believe is that Russell has not improved against defenses that blitz like crazy. I never see any pre-snap adjustments from him like you would from qbs like Tom Brady, Rodgers etc. If he is making pre-snap adjustments then it doesn't seem to be the right adjustments because someone is always coming through. I used to believe that Pete was the one stopping Russ from making those adjustments but I have a hard time believing that would still be the case after 8 years. This goes all the way back to Russell's first game which was against Arizona. I understand that when a team can pressure you with the front 4 then there is not much any qb can do about it. However, I have noticed that Russell doesn't seem to burn teams that rely heavily on blitzing to bring pressure like other QBs can. Is it just him being stubborn and wanting the big play every time or is he just unable to handle blitzes?



    https://mobile.twitter.com/NFLMatchup/status/1184151724535304192


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  • John63 wrote:
    strohmin wrote:I have been watching Russell since his rookie season and one thing I believe is that Russell has not improved against defenses that blitz like crazy. I never see any pre-snap adjustments from him like you would from qbs like Tom Brady, Rodgers etc. If he is making pre-snap adjustments then it doesn't seem to be the right adjustments because someone is always coming through. I used to believe that Pete was the one stopping Russ from making those adjustments but I have a hard time believing that would still be the case after 8 years. This goes all the way back to Russell's first game which was against Arizona. I understand that when a team can pressure you with the front 4 then there is not much any qb can do about it. However, I have noticed that Russell doesn't seem to burn teams that rely heavily on blitzing to bring pressure like other QBs can. Is it just him being stubborn and wanting the big play every time or is he just unable to handle blitzes?



    https://mobile.twitter.com/NFLMatchup/status/1184151724535304192


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    Thanks for that. Wilson has always been one of the best against the blitz. Where are all these Wilson haters coming from?
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  • rcaido wrote:
    John63 wrote:
    strohmin wrote:I have been watching Russell since his rookie season and one thing I believe is that Russell has not improved against defenses that blitz like crazy. I never see any pre-snap adjustments from him like you would from qbs like Tom Brady, Rodgers etc. If he is making pre-snap adjustments then it doesn't seem to be the right adjustments because someone is always coming through. I used to believe that Pete was the one stopping Russ from making those adjustments but I have a hard time believing that would still be the case after 8 years. This goes all the way back to Russell's first game which was against Arizona. I understand that when a team can pressure you with the front 4 then there is not much any qb can do about it. However, I have noticed that Russell doesn't seem to burn teams that rely heavily on blitzing to bring pressure like other QBs can. Is it just him being stubborn and wanting the big play every time or is he just unable to handle blitzes?



    https://mobile.twitter.com/NFLMatchup/status/1184151724535304192


    Wrong


    Thanks for that. Wilson has always been one of the best against the blitz. Where are all these Wilson haters coming from?



    They have always been there but when he is playing well they lurk waiting to pounce. Once, he starts playing well again they will disappear again.
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  • I think some of those numbers are a bit inflated. I've always noticed when teams run zone blitzes, and other exotic schemes he seems to struggle. The Rams do it quite frequently, and other teams have followed suite this season. I'm curious as to what his abilities are to check plays at the LOS are. He definitely has not had any time with how slow our team gets to the LOS. He really has zero time to do adjustments.

    I also know he isn't a field general like say Peyton Manning or Tom Brady. Some of his audibles earlier in the season were not very good. He also hasn't had much opportunity to develop that under Carroll and his scheme where he controls everything with an iron fist. I think we're never going to see Wilson's true potential under Carroll. I think Schottenheimer should be given more of a free reign to run the offense. His play calls were amazing earlier in the season.
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  • Spin Doctor wrote:I think some of those numbers are a bit inflated. I've always noticed when teams run zone blitzes, and other exotic schemes he seems to struggle. The Rams do it quite frequently, and other teams have followed suite this season. I'm curious as to what his abilities are to check plays at the LOS are. He definitely has not had any time with how slow our team gets to the LOS. He really has zero time to do adjustments.

    I also know he isn't a field general like say Peyton Manning or Tom Brady. Some of his audibles earlier in the season were not very good. He also hasn't had much opportunity to develop that under Carroll and his scheme where he controls everything with an iron fist. I think we're never going to see Wilson's true potential under Carroll. I think Schottenheimer should be given more of a free reign to run the offense. His play calls were amazing earlier in the season.



    Hmm so I shown link with facts and you provide......nothing. got it. As to never knowing what Wilson is really capable of under Carroll. We did for the first 5 games. Then we went back to long developing plays, snapping it with time running out, etc etc
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  • Bro stop it already...Wilson has been in the top 3 against Blitz the past 3 seasons...

    2019 #2 132.9
    2018 #2 127.3
    2017 #3 109.3
    2015 #6 109.7
    2014 #1

    I couldn't find 2016 but you can see a pattern, he is one of the best against the blitz.
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  • It's either Schotty or Wilson. Can we check out of things, more hot reads, get the TEs and RBs more involved, actually have RW keep an RO once in a blue moon, misdirection etc.

    Quit with the go deep and chuck and duck O
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  • Smellyman wrote:It's either Schotty or Wilson. Can we check out of things, more hot reads, get the TEs and RBs more involved, actually have RW keep an RO once in a blue moon, misdirection etc.

    Quit with the go deep and chuck and duck O


    With all the talk about RW vs. the blitz , how bad he's playing, concussed or not, pressing or not, etc...could it be this...which I think points at Schotty a bit more than Wilson? Kind of the same thing as many are talking about with the D....scheme, game-planning, creativity, adjustments, etc.

    If it's really ALL Wilson - are we saying he is ignoring the effective and creative play calling - and constantly choosing bland, predictable, an ineffective plays through audible or selfishly hanging onto the ball?

    Yes - there is plenty of blame to be shared - but could we please employ some coaches / coordinators who can creatively game-plan to the talents and strengths of the actual players and not try to fit players into some mold of days gone by?
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  • John63 wrote:
    strohmin wrote:I have been watching Russell since his rookie season and one thing I believe is that Russell has not improved against defenses that blitz like crazy. I never see any pre-snap adjustments from him like you would from qbs like Tom Brady, Rodgers etc. If he is making pre-snap adjustments then it doesn't seem to be the right adjustments because someone is always coming through. I used to believe that Pete was the one stopping Russ from making those adjustments but I have a hard time believing that would still be the case after 8 years. This goes all the way back to Russell's first game which was against Arizona. I understand that when a team can pressure you with the front 4 then there is not much any qb can do about it. However, I have noticed that Russell doesn't seem to burn teams that rely heavily on blitzing to bring pressure like other QBs can. Is it just him being stubborn and wanting the big play every time or is he just unable to handle blitzes?



    https://mobile.twitter.com/NFLMatchup/status/1184151724535304192


    Wrong


    In fairness, this thread is about Wilson vs heavy blitzing defenses, not just the blitz in general.
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  • Wilson has always been great against the Blitz although he does take his fair share of sacks which don't show up in QB rating.

    I don't know about this year but it doesn't look like any of his interceptions in the last 4 games came against heavy blitzes - possibly 5 rushers but I don't think any more than that.

    Edit: just checked using my post in another thread - only the 2nd interception against the Cardinals did they rush more than 5 (7) - but he escaped the pocket and had a clean throw in Metcalf's direction, was just badly off target.

    All others sent either 4 or 5 and to be honest he was pretty clean in all of them - the first Rams interception he had nobody around him!
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  • Well, maybe if they actually ADJUSTED for once. They could counter it with a quick passing game, screen passes, fly sleeps, actually running the ball etc. They don't adjust, and it's getting old.
    As far as Russ vs. the blitz, it's just another in a line of things people claim he can't do. Meh, he's fine against the blitz. His swiss cheese o-line, pathetic play calling and/or a lack of adjustments are a much bigger issue. Just my opinion....
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  • I know it's just one play but I specifically remember a break down of Russ reading blitz and beating it for the game winning TD vs the Packers 2 years ago. Some of the numbers guys out there would know this but is it just that the Cardinals were the first time to try blitzing Russ and it worked, or is it once Carson and Hyde went out, teams aren't worried about the threat to run so they're pinning their ears back and focusing on rushing the passer, and blitzing too. Compound that with inexperience at RB so the blitz pickup isn't as good either.
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  • hoxrox wrote:


    FYI, that link is from 10/15/2019.

    Here's the film from 11/15/2020 to illustrate my points above. Multiple missed opportunities by trying to do too much. Skip to 6:00 minutes for the film breakdown.




    I said alex collins was open in flat and ppl said no.


    Thanks for proving me right.
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  • Pete and Russ both like those deep throws, but sometimes you have to take what the D gives you. Russell was more willing to check down or get yards with his feet against the Cards in the last game. He took fewer chances with holding the ball too long or trying very low-risk passes. As a result, he didn’t give up turnovers the way he had the previous few games.

    No QB is perfect. Russ is a future Hall of Famer, but even he needs to reevaluate his play now and then. Being willing to do that is part of the reason he’s so good.
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  • John63 wrote:
    strohmin wrote:I have been watching Russell since his rookie season and one thing I believe is that Russell has not improved against defenses that blitz like crazy. I never see any pre-snap adjustments from him like you would from qbs like Tom Brady, Rodgers etc. If he is making pre-snap adjustments then it doesn't seem to be the right adjustments because someone is always coming through. I used to believe that Pete was the one stopping Russ from making those adjustments but I have a hard time believing that would still be the case after 8 years. This goes all the way back to Russell's first game which was against Arizona. I understand that when a team can pressure you with the front 4 then there is not much any qb can do about it. However, I have noticed that Russell doesn't seem to burn teams that rely heavily on blitzing to bring pressure like other QBs can. Is it just him being stubborn and wanting the big play every time or is he just unable to handle blitzes?



    https://mobile.twitter.com/NFLMatchup/status/1184151724535304192


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    Yeah, beat me to it. I listen to Pat Kirwin and Jim Miller on Moving the Chains on sirius a lot and they were just talking about that a week or two ago. He is money against the blitz.
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  • SoulfishHawk wrote:Well, maybe if they actually ADJUSTED for once. They could counter it with a quick passing game, screen passes, fly sleeps, actually running the ball etc. They don't adjust, and it's getting old.
    As far as Russ vs. the blitz, it's just another in a line of things people claim he can't do. Meh, he's fine against the blitz. His swiss cheese o-line, pathetic play calling and/or a lack of adjustments are a much bigger issue. Just my opinion....


    They finally made many of these adjustments vs AZ last Thursday. What a beautiful sight it was. Otherwise, you are dead on the money on all these things.
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  • And I've been down this road so many times, l'll go ahead and just leave it be. Years of being blasted for being a homer and/or Russ lover has ran it's course for me. I just want to talk football and pull for my team.

    Other than the thought that it just seems like another made up thing that Russ "can't do" etc. Meh, he's plenty good against the blitz.
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  • Very very few QB's can look good against a Blitz with no running game, Erin is a good example when they lost their running game for a while a few years back, people flushed him and beat him up.

    Brady another example, Peyton another example when James was gone and in Denver when he had to deal with a real defense.
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  • Great points ^
    A running game changes everything, for any QB. It's just way too easy to pin your ears back all night when you know there's no threat of a running game. We saw it last week with Hyde in there. Russ was much more in control and not having to carry the team so much. Gotta' have that balance, and all great QB's still need a running game.
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  • SoulfishHawk wrote:Great points ^
    A running game changes everything, for any QB. It's just way too easy to pin your ears back all night when you know there's no threat of a running game. We saw it last week with Hyde in there. Russ was much more in control and not having to carry the team so much. Gotta' have that balance, and all great QB's still need a running game.



    It does not help when instead of going for passing that can help against the blitz they go to long developing plays and waiting to 5 or less on the clock to snap it. Our need to go back to same old played right into the blitz.
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  • Quick passing game, screens to the RB, bubble screens, fly sweeps etc. All of that, and it's a good point. Sometimes the lack of adjusting to what the opponent is doing is maddening to say the least.
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  • Did anyone watch zona v Seattle on October 25th? They kept blitzing RW and he was a mess. His timing was off in the 4th quarter.

    Also Buffalo killed the Seahawks by blitzing.
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  • People can believe what they want, not gonna' change their minds.
    I think he's just fine against the blitz. And it's somehow always HIS fault when nobody blocks for him and he has little to no time to do anything. And the play calling is somehow also his fault. But, I'm just a Russ lover so...….
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  • Zap90 wrote:Did anyone watch zona v Seattle on October 25th? They kept blitzing RW and he was a mess. His timing was off in the 4th quarter.

    Also Buffalo killed the Seahawks by blitzing.


    And yet again as I posted his stats against th3e blitz is very good. 1 or 2 games does not show a trend, especially when the OC admits they did not adjust to it well. as in the play scheme and calls.


    FYI Az tried it again last game and we were great so yeah NO.
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