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It is time to move on from Pete.
Mon Dec 07, 2020 4:28 am
  • Pete Carroll has brought the Seahawks to new heights. He came in off of a failure of an administration and brought new life into the Seahawks. He brought us our only win in the big game ever in one of the most one sided Super Bowls ever. The Hawks absolutely stomped one of the best QBs of all time -- and almost shutout the best offenses in NFL history. That moment was one of the happiest moments in my life. I remember that day, the feelings in the street, it was magical. The crazy bastard did it again and got us into a second Super Bowl. Could we be the next dynasty? I wondered. The final second of the game came and the events that transpired collectively broke Seattle, and would be the catalyst for the dismantling of one of the greatest defenses of all time -- and what people consider to be the best team of the 2010s decade.

    Since that fateful day the Seahawks have returned back to the ratpack. Rule changes along with a slew of poor drafts, questionable trades and bad in game management have made the Seahawks, quite frankly mediocre. Good enough to get into the playoffs, not good enough to make it past the divisional game. This culminated in a season where the Seahawks missed the playoffs, what followed next was a purge. Our coaching staff was completely gutted, and our cornerstones players were let go. Many touted a 3 year rebuild/reload, here we are at the three year mark. What have we got to show for it? We've got some decent players, but a team that looks uninspired. A defense that was heading towards being one of the worst defenses in NFL history, and offense that is now struggling. By virtue of a weak ending schedule we got a team that could finish 12-4, but we all know that we are the great pretenders.

    The man at the center of this Pete Carroll is done being a top tier NFL coach. One poster said it best when they said "Pete Carroll is a hall of fame coach in between game days". Carroll seems to inspire his players, particularly the younger ones. He brings out the best in the players. Despite this, it has become clear that many other elements of a Pete Carroll led team are lacking, particularly his philosophies and in-game management. The same story is playing itself over, and over again, like a broken record player. For the past 5, going on six years, we've played this same dance, repeating the same mistakes. The Seahawks are trapped in a perpetual state of groundhogs day, tied to a coach that has clearly lost his edge.

    Carroll has lost his edge. There comes a time when even the greats lose touch of the game, we're seeing that right now. Holmgren, Parcells and Ditka come to mind. A arduous, slow decline from their haydays, into a state of mediocrity, or just flatout desolation. We're seeing that slow burn with Carroll right now. It has become clear that he is no longer capable of achieving anything with the Seahawks other than slowly backing into the playoffs. He's below .500 in the playoffs since our last Super Bowl appearance and we have not made it past the wildcard with some talented teams. Carroll's accomplished all he's going to accomplish here and it is time to move on. Nothing gold can stay, and Carroll's time has passed on. Ever year we keep Carroll, we take a year off of Russell Wilson's prime.
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Re: It is time to move on from Pete.
Mon Dec 07, 2020 4:32 am
  • Who would you rather have?
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Re: It is time to move on from Pete.
Mon Dec 07, 2020 4:54 am
  • The time for that was probably before giving him that long extension.
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Re: It is time to move on from Pete.
Mon Dec 07, 2020 5:06 am
  • Welshers wrote:Who would you rather have?

    Ah, yes, this same old tired argument, automatically the rebuttal anyone has when Pete is questioned. You may be fine just barely backing into the playoffs year, after year, but I'm not. It is abundantly clear that Pete Carroll is incapable of ever taking us to the big game, ever again. Just look at the Packers without Mike McCarthy, a coach that had a good track record in Green Bay -- think they regret that decision?

    Sometimes it is just time to move on. You think Carroll is going to take us any farther? What about Carroll has shown you that he can get us back? If it the defense that has declined each and every year since 2015? Is it the below .500 win rate in the playoffs since 2015? Currently we're a team that lives and dies on the arm of our QB, and we're tied to a coach that has consistently got in the way of our QB's development, and progress. Pete Carroll isn't getting younger either, at 69 he is the oldest coach in the NFL. Next season he is going to be two years away from being the oldest coach to ever coach a game. You don't think with that we're going to get some form of cognitive decline? We're already seeing some baffling in game decision making, and some odd game plans.
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Re: It is time to move on from Pete.
Mon Dec 07, 2020 5:38 am
  • This is a tough situation. I think most of us appreciate everything that this regime has done for the city and for Seahawks football, but the ceiling now for this team seems to be the divisional playoffs every year. It's enough to be somewhat relevant and a lot of fans are content with that. I'm not.

    Russell's career is being taken for granted and wasted. Find someone that can build a gameplan that takes advantage of all of the talent on that offense. Put an average defense with that and the Seahawks are true contenders again.

    I have no idea who they would go after if they were to make a change, but I think maintaining a positive culture is really important for the organization and for the fans. I'd talk to Dabo Swinney first. Who do you like?
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Re: It is time to move on from Pete.
Mon Dec 07, 2020 5:57 am
  • Spin Doctor wrote: Just look at the Packers without Mike McCarthy, a coach that had a good track record in Green Bay -- think they regret that decision?


    But McCarthy was fired when the Packers stopped winning - 7-9 in 2017 and 4-7-1 at the point he was fired (losing 5 of their previous 6 games).

    Don't pretend they took a coach who was still winning and making it into the playoffs and fired him as some kind of smart personnel move. They fired a coach who used to win and stopped winning. But as far as I see it, Carroll is a coach who used to win and is still winning.
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Re: It is time to move on from Pete.
Mon Dec 07, 2020 6:29 am
  • Here we go again. Forget that we're tied for the division lead (and control our destiny). Forget that the majority of new head coaching hires are flops. Forget that we were down to playing a 4th string tackle who shouldn't even be in the league. Let's just fire Pete and the whole staff. And if the new guys lose a few games? We'll fire them too!
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Re: It is time to move on from Pete.
Mon Dec 07, 2020 6:34 am
  • Tusc2000 wrote:Here we go again. Forget that we're tied for the division lead (and control our destiny). Forget that the majority of new head coaching hires are flops. Forget that we were down to playing a 4th string tackle who shouldn't even be in the league. Let's just fire Pete and the whole staff. And if the new guys lose a few games? We'll fire them too!


    We were in the same spot last year and choked. 10-2 and finished 11-5. Rinse and RePete. Keep on drinking the KoolAid and buying the Snake Oil he’s selling.
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Re: It is time to move on from Pete.
Mon Dec 07, 2020 6:51 am
  • Tusc2000 wrote:Here we go again. Forget that we're tied for the division lead (and control our destiny). Forget that the majority of new head coaching hires are flops. Forget that we were down to playing a 4th string tackle who shouldn't even be in the league. Let's just fire Pete and the whole staff. And if the new guys lose a few games? We'll fire them too!

    Kinda pointless having the division lead when the team you’re tied with can whip you like a dog.
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Re: It is time to move on from Pete.
Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:51 am
  • Spin Doctor wrote:Pete Carroll has brought the Seahawks to new heights. He came in off of a failure of an administration and brought new life into the Seahawks. He brought us our only win in the big game ever in one of the most one sided Super Bowls ever. The Hawks absolutely stomped one of the best QBs of all time -- and almost shutout the best offenses in NFL history. That moment was one of the happiest moments in my life. I remember that day, the feelings in the street, it was magical. The crazy bastard did it again and got us into a second Super Bowl. Could we be the next dynasty? I wondered. The final second of the game came and the events that transpired collectively broke Seattle, and would be the catalyst for the dismantling of one of the greatest defenses of all time -- and what people consider to be the best team of the 2010s decade.

    Since that fateful day the Seahawks have returned back to the ratpack. Rule changes along with a slew of poor drafts, questionable trades and bad in game management have made the Seahawks, quite frankly mediocre. Good enough to get into the playoffs, not good enough to make it past the divisional game. This culminated in a season where the Seahawks missed the playoffs, what followed next was a purge. Our coaching staff was completely gutted, and our cornerstones players were let go. Many touted a 3 year rebuild/reload, here we are at the three year mark. What have we got to show for it? We've got some decent players, but a team that looks uninspired. A defense that was heading towards being one of the worst defenses in NFL history, and offense that is now struggling. By virtue of a weak ending schedule we got a team that could finish 12-4, but we all know that we are the great pretenders.

    The man at the center of this Pete Carroll is done being a top tier NFL coach. One poster said it best when they said "Pete Carroll is a hall of fame coach in between game days". Carroll seems to inspire his players, particularly the younger ones. He brings out the best in the players. Despite this, it has become clear that many other elements of a Pete Carroll led team are lacking, particularly his philosophies and in-game management. The same story is playing itself over, and over again, like a broken record player. For the past 5, going on six years, we've played this same dance, repeating the same mistakes. The Seahawks are trapped in a perpetual state of groundhogs day, tied to a coach that has clearly lost his edge.

    Carroll has lost his edge. There comes a time when even the greats lose touch of the game, we're seeing that right now. Holmgren, Parcells and Ditka come to mind. A arduous, slow decline from their haydays, into a state of mediocrity, or just flatout desolation. We're seeing that slow burn with Carroll right now. It has become clear that he is no longer capable of achieving anything with the Seahawks other than slowly backing into the playoffs. He's below .500 in the playoffs since our last Super Bowl appearance and we have not made it past the wildcard with some talented teams. Carroll's accomplished all he's going to accomplish here and it is time to move on. Nothing gold can stay, and Carroll's time has passed on. Ever year we keep Carroll, we take a year off of Russell Wilson's prime.


    This is well written. I was hanging on every word. Good job.

    However, the same reason you stated is the reason pete will remain our coach. We are consistently in it every year regardless of personnel, mishaps and poor coaching underneath pete.

    We have made it this far this season and it has been rough. Before the season started I expected to flatten teams which we started to do and then defense fell out. Now the defense is giving it's all and offense has stalled. Pete and coaches are making changes whether we see it or not. If you think we as fans are more upset then the players and coaches who lost yeterdays game...your wrong. They are more upset they got handled by the giants.

    Pete isnt going anywhere. As much as anybody wants to push it. He is the best coach seattle has ever had. Regardless of wins and poor losses. They will turn it around and finish strong. Why? Because yesterday was just unacceptable. We will continue to play close games and pull them out at the end.

    What I am understanding now is at the beginning of the season I thought we looked like the 2013 seahawks. When actually we are playing like the 2015 and 2016 seahawks. A team that is good, but hasnt put it all together.

    I still think we pull this out. The teams in the NFC west are not that good and have been proven to lose some close games too. All it will take is seattle putting a complete game together to prove that. It wont be jets or Redskins. It will be the rams in the last week of the season. We will know then if we are capable of being the best team in the league.

    Nothing else explains why they are slow playing Carson, or pulling the reigns back on wilson when the defense is stepping it up. We are mentally preparing for the tough games and overlooking the one in front of us. Every game needs to be complete defense, special teams and offense. Pete can do that. It will materialize and we will see soon.

    Dont panic.
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Re: It is time to move on from Pete.
Mon Dec 07, 2020 1:29 pm
  • ludakrishna wrote:
    Tusc2000 wrote:Here we go again. Forget that we're tied for the division lead (and control our destiny). Forget that the majority of new head coaching hires are flops. Forget that we were down to playing a 4th string tackle who shouldn't even be in the league. Let's just fire Pete and the whole staff. And if the new guys lose a few games? We'll fire them too!


    We were in the same spot last year and choked. 10-2 and finished 11-5. Rinse and RePete. Keep on drinking the KoolAid and buying the Snake Oil he’s selling.


    Can you think of any reason why they lost 3 at the end of the year? Anything important happen in that stretch? Pete isn’t selling you anything, he doesn’t care about you or you opinion....at all.
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Re: It is time to move on from Pete.
Mon Dec 07, 2020 1:34 pm
  • Spin Doctor wrote:
    Welshers wrote:Who would you rather have?

    Ah, yes, this same old tired argument, automatically the rebuttal anyone has when Pete is questioned. You may be fine just barely backing into the playoffs year, after year, but I'm not. It is abundantly clear that Pete Carroll is incapable of ever taking us to the big game, ever again. Just look at the Packers without Mike McCarthy, a coach that had a good track record in Green Bay -- think they regret that decision?

    Sometimes it is just time to move on. You think Carroll is going to take us any farther? What about Carroll has shown you that he can get us back? If it the defense that has declined each and every year since 2015? Is it the below .500 win rate in the playoffs since 2015? Currently we're a team that lives and dies on the arm of our QB, and we're tied to a coach that has consistently got in the way of our QB's development, and progress. Pete Carroll isn't getting younger either, at 69 he is the oldest coach in the NFL. Next season he is going to be two years away from being the oldest coach to ever coach a game. You don't think with that we're going to get some form of cognitive decline? We're already seeing some baffling in game decision making, and some odd game plans.


    It doesn't change the question. If the team's goal is winning, then who do you think is out there that could do a better job than PC?

    I'm not using it as an argument against your point, just a logical reason why the change hasn't been made. Who would be better, and why? Because without that, then the argument isn't going anywhere.
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Re: It is time to move on from Pete.
Mon Dec 07, 2020 1:34 pm
  • I just wish he would hire some young competent coordinators and let them do their thing. It will never happen though unfortunately.
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Re: It is time to move on from Pete.
Mon Dec 07, 2020 1:38 pm
  • Uncle Si wrote:
    Spin Doctor wrote:
    Welshers wrote:Who would you rather have?

    Ah, yes, this same old tired argument, automatically the rebuttal anyone has when Pete is questioned. You may be fine just barely backing into the playoffs year, after year, but I'm not. It is abundantly clear that Pete Carroll is incapable of ever taking us to the big game, ever again. Just look at the Packers without Mike McCarthy, a coach that had a good track record in Green Bay -- think they regret that decision?

    Sometimes it is just time to move on. You think Carroll is going to take us any farther? What about Carroll has shown you that he can get us back? If it the defense that has declined each and every year since 2015? Is it the below .500 win rate in the playoffs since 2015? Currently we're a team that lives and dies on the arm of our QB, and we're tied to a coach that has consistently got in the way of our QB's development, and progress. Pete Carroll isn't getting younger either, at 69 he is the oldest coach in the NFL. Next season he is going to be two years away from being the oldest coach to ever coach a game. You don't think with that we're going to get some form of cognitive decline? We're already seeing some baffling in game decision making, and some odd game plans.


    It doesn't change the question. If the team's goal is winning, then who do you think is out there that could do a better job than PC?

    I'm not using it as an argument against your point, just a logical reason why the change hasn't been made. Who would be better, and why? Because without that, then the argument isn't going anywhere.


    We're not winning another SB with Pete. People need to accept that now. So we're keeping him to get bounced hard in the 2nd round every year? At least with wholesale changes we have a shot of our talent still being around in a few years to make a real run. With what we have now its just a lost cause. Not winning anything.
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Re: It is time to move on from Pete.
Mon Dec 07, 2020 1:40 pm
  • Uncle Si wrote:
    Spin Doctor wrote:
    Welshers wrote:Who would you rather have?

    Ah, yes, this same old tired argument, automatically the rebuttal anyone has when Pete is questioned. You may be fine just barely backing into the playoffs year, after year, but I'm not. It is abundantly clear that Pete Carroll is incapable of ever taking us to the big game, ever again. Just look at the Packers without Mike McCarthy, a coach that had a good track record in Green Bay -- think they regret that decision?

    Sometimes it is just time to move on. You think Carroll is going to take us any farther? What about Carroll has shown you that he can get us back? If it the defense that has declined each and every year since 2015? Is it the below .500 win rate in the playoffs since 2015? Currently we're a team that lives and dies on the arm of our QB, and we're tied to a coach that has consistently got in the way of our QB's development, and progress. Pete Carroll isn't getting younger either, at 69 he is the oldest coach in the NFL. Next season he is going to be two years away from being the oldest coach to ever coach a game. You don't think with that we're going to get some form of cognitive decline? We're already seeing some baffling in game decision making, and some odd game plans.


    It doesn't change the question. If the team's goal is winning, then who do you think is out there that could do a better job than PC?

    I'm not using it as an argument against your point, just a logical reason why the change hasn't been made. Who would be better, and why? Because without that, then the argument isn't going anywhere.
    How about Eric Bienemy. Could you think what he could do with this offense. If he came in and was able to put Russ in a position to be considered elite, I would eat all the crow in the world for my recent criticism of Russell.
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Re: It is time to move on from Pete.
Mon Dec 07, 2020 1:41 pm
  • Ok.. but who is out there that can win a SB with the team?

    It's all well and good to proclaim "we are not winning another SB." there are 28-30 coaches who are probably not ever winning a SB, let alone another.

    So who is out there that can turn this team around? Be interesting to hear that, instead of the persistent "why cant you all see how bad we are" nonsense. Noone here is under any aspersions to the team's position. Not engaging in teeth gnashing over it doesn't equal ignorance.
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Re: It is time to move on from Pete.
Mon Dec 07, 2020 1:43 pm
  • We can either get rid of the QB or get rid of the coach. And it's way easier to get rid of the coach.

    Though it's not like either will happen.

    Get ready for another 5+ years of the same. exact. thing.
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Re: It is time to move on from Pete.
Mon Dec 07, 2020 1:45 pm
  • BubbaGump wrote:
    Uncle Si wrote:
    Spin Doctor wrote:
    Welshers wrote:Who would you rather have?

    Ah, yes, this same old tired argument, automatically the rebuttal anyone has when Pete is questioned. You may be fine just barely backing into the playoffs year, after year, but I'm not. It is abundantly clear that Pete Carroll is incapable of ever taking us to the big game, ever again. Just look at the Packers without Mike McCarthy, a coach that had a good track record in Green Bay -- think they regret that decision?

    Sometimes it is just time to move on. You think Carroll is going to take us any farther? What about Carroll has shown you that he can get us back? If it the defense that has declined each and every year since 2015? Is it the below .500 win rate in the playoffs since 2015? Currently we're a team that lives and dies on the arm of our QB, and we're tied to a coach that has consistently got in the way of our QB's development, and progress. Pete Carroll isn't getting younger either, at 69 he is the oldest coach in the NFL. Next season he is going to be two years away from being the oldest coach to ever coach a game. You don't think with that we're going to get some form of cognitive decline? We're already seeing some baffling in game decision making, and some odd game plans.


    It doesn't change the question. If the team's goal is winning, then who do you think is out there that could do a better job than PC?

    I'm not using it as an argument against your point, just a logical reason why the change hasn't been made. Who would be better, and why? Because without that, then the argument isn't going anywhere.
    How about Eric Bienemy. Could you think what he could do with this offense. If he came in and was able to put Russ in a position to be considered elite, I would eat all the crow in the world for my recent criticism of Russell.


    I've heard his name around a few other jobs. He's done wonders on KC and with Mahomes. Would you feel good about turning over a team with RW nearing the end of his prime to a rookie coach?

    Honestly, i'd be up for it. Just dont want a Saleh-type. I think the next coach needs to be more offensive minded.
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Re: It is time to move on from Pete.
Mon Dec 07, 2020 2:19 pm
  • Uncle Si wrote:
    BubbaGump wrote:
    Uncle Si wrote:
    Spin Doctor wrote:Ah, yes, this same old tired argument, automatically the rebuttal anyone has when Pete is questioned. You may be fine just barely backing into the playoffs year, after year, but I'm not. It is abundantly clear that Pete Carroll is incapable of ever taking us to the big game, ever again. Just look at the Packers without Mike McCarthy, a coach that had a good track record in Green Bay -- think they regret that decision?

    Sometimes it is just time to move on. You think Carroll is going to take us any farther? What about Carroll has shown you that he can get us back? If it the defense that has declined each and every year since 2015? Is it the below .500 win rate in the playoffs since 2015? Currently we're a team that lives and dies on the arm of our QB, and we're tied to a coach that has consistently got in the way of our QB's development, and progress. Pete Carroll isn't getting younger either, at 69 he is the oldest coach in the NFL. Next season he is going to be two years away from being the oldest coach to ever coach a game. You don't think with that we're going to get some form of cognitive decline? We're already seeing some baffling in game decision making, and some odd game plans.


    It doesn't change the question. If the team's goal is winning, then who do you think is out there that could do a better job than PC?

    I'm not using it as an argument against your point, just a logical reason why the change hasn't been made. Who would be better, and why? Because without that, then the argument isn't going anywhere.
    How about Eric Bienemy. Could you think what he could do with this offense. If he came in and was able to put Russ in a position to be considered elite, I would eat all the crow in the world for my recent criticism of Russell.


    I've heard his name around a few other jobs. He's done wonders on KC and with Mahomes. Would you feel good about turning over a team with RW nearing the end of his prime to a rookie coach?

    Honestly, i'd be up for it. Just dont want a Saleh-type. I think the next coach needs to be more offensive minded.
    I agree with you about Saleh. Stay away from the grinning Defensive Coordinators. They are snake oil salesmen in today’s offensive minded NFL. I would look at Bienemy to come in here and find creative ways to use DK instead of outside curls and go routes. That seems to be the bulk of where his routes are going.
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Re: It is time to move on from Pete.
Mon Dec 07, 2020 2:31 pm
  • I agree, this is a game of inches and we have a coach that only cares about the 4th quarter. We could play the Girl Scouts and it’d still be a 1 score game. We don’t believe in scheming for opponents. We don’t believe in making adjustments at the line, or adjustments at any time, ever. We don’t believe in disguising anything we are trying to do.

    We can beat anyone. We can lose to anyone. that kind of formula, while favorable for us since we seem to be a very lucky team, does not hold up during the playoffs, hence a quick exit each and every time. If changing this formula to something better means a different head coach then so be it, but he’s got a new contract so I’m not sure if it’s gonna happen any time soon
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Re: It is time to move on from Pete.
Mon Dec 07, 2020 2:39 pm
  • Hawaii-hawk wrote:I agree, this is a game of inches and we have a coach that only cares about the 4th quarter. We could play the Girl Scouts and it’d still be a 1 score game. We don’t believe in scheming for opponents. We don’t believe in making adjustments at the line, or adjustments at any time, ever. We don’t believe in disguising anything we are trying to do.

    We can beat anyone. We can lose to anyone. that kind of formula, while favorable for us since we seem to be a very lucky team, does not hold up during the playoffs, hence a quick exit each and every time. If changing this formula to something better means a different head coach then so be it, but he’s got a new contract so I’m not sure if it’s gonna happen any time soon



    There is great parity in the NFL and I think this Giants game proves that...The NFL is the most competitive organization in the world...

    I agree with I think it was Uncle si that unless there is someone to replace him with it would be a huge monumental mistake...


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Re: It is time to move on from Pete.
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Re: It is time to move on from Pete.
Mon Dec 07, 2020 2:50 pm
  • Hawaii-hawk wrote:I agree, this is a game of inches and we have a coach that only cares about the 4th quarter. We could play the Girl Scouts and it’d still be a 1 score game. We don’t believe in scheming for opponents. We don’t believe in making adjustments at the line, or adjustments at any time, ever. We don’t believe in disguising anything we are trying to do.

    We can beat anyone. We can lose to anyone. that kind of formula, while favorable for us since we seem to be a very lucky team, does not hold up during the playoffs, hence a quick exit each and every time. If changing this formula to something better means a different head coach then so be it, but he’s got a new contract so I’m not sure if it’s gonna happen any time soon



    You know what's sadly hilarious....the ONE TIME they made an adjustment was when they chose to pass the ball at the 1 in SB 49 when everyone and their mother knew the Seahawks were going to run it in.
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Re: It is time to move on from Pete.
Mon Dec 07, 2020 3:39 pm
  • Bienemy wouldn't do much here. You can look at his work in KC and wonder, but that is all. He is a product of Reids system. Just like nagy was. Nagy hasnt been that great either. I'll stick with pete while you guys keep jumping ship. Sucks we lost, but no one is leaving or getting fired.
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Re: It is time to move on from Pete.
Mon Dec 07, 2020 3:58 pm
  • jamescasey1124 wrote:Bienemy wouldn't do much here. You can look at his work in KC and wonder, but that is all. He is a product of Reids system. Just like nagy was. Nagy hasnt been that great either. I'll stick with pete while you guys keep jumping ship. Sucks we lost, but no one is leaving or getting fired.

    Ha Ha..I actually agree with your take man..
    I think PC's a little smarter than given credit for and he can change
    after all he did let Russ cook till he started burning too much.
    We bring in someone else and they will have higher odds of failing.
    There is really only one coach I'd want..Dabo but that won't happen
    for years yet anyway.
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Re: It is time to move on from Pete.
Mon Dec 07, 2020 4:01 pm
  • Bottomline is RW or Pete has to go....(why because Pete does NOT want to play RW ball, and RW cannot excel in Pete-Ball). They just extended Pete. The writing is on the wall. If/WHEN the playoffs look exactly like we've seen the past few years. Don't be surprised if RW takes his no-trade clause and asks for a trade.
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Re: It is time to move on from Pete.
Mon Dec 07, 2020 4:44 pm
  • I think Pete is fine to stay as HC but he needs new coordinators and position coaches from outside the Carroll tree. Schotty helped Russ with his QB fundamentals but as an OC is average, mostly implementing what Pete wants. Norton shouldn't be a DC in the NFL. Neither have a chance at a promotion outside the club. You should want guys who other teams are jealous of and want to poach. Carroll is a program builder and culture king, let someone else run things within a framework.

    I understand the hires at the time - Pete hated the version of the team we saw in 2017 and needed guys to come in and reset his way. Schotty and KNJ are both exactly that. They should have been a buffer to help transition the team but not stick around for another 3+ seasons. I know Russ has been struggling but even during his MVP talk, none of the plays were easy. So many outrageous plays every game. Imagine having an offense that works to get guys open with a little Russ magic here and there instead of Tyler Lockett needing to high point a toe dragging catch running full speed along the sidelines?
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Re: It is time to move on from Pete.
Tue Dec 08, 2020 11:28 pm
  • Uncle Si wrote:
    Spin Doctor wrote:
    Welshers wrote:Who would you rather have?

    Ah, yes, this same old tired argument, automatically the rebuttal anyone has when Pete is questioned. You may be fine just barely backing into the playoffs year, after year, but I'm not. It is abundantly clear that Pete Carroll is incapable of ever taking us to the big game, ever again. Just look at the Packers without Mike McCarthy, a coach that had a good track record in Green Bay -- think they regret that decision?

    Sometimes it is just time to move on. You think Carroll is going to take us any farther? What about Carroll has shown you that he can get us back? If it the defense that has declined each and every year since 2015? Is it the below .500 win rate in the playoffs since 2015? Currently we're a team that lives and dies on the arm of our QB, and we're tied to a coach that has consistently got in the way of our QB's development, and progress. Pete Carroll isn't getting younger either, at 69 he is the oldest coach in the NFL. Next season he is going to be two years away from being the oldest coach to ever coach a game. You don't think with that we're going to get some form of cognitive decline? We're already seeing some baffling in game decision making, and some odd game plans.


    It doesn't change the question. If the team's goal is winning, then who do you think is out there that could do a better job than PC?

    I'm not using it as an argument against your point, just a logical reason why the change hasn't been made. Who would be better, and why? Because without that, then the argument isn't going anywhere.


    Jim Harbaugh we built a team to beat him and he's looking to get back to the NFL he brought Fire to the Arizona 49ers Had to throw that in.

    This Offense is very vanilla and goes the same with the Defense the problem lies with Pete thinking he's the best the formula is always going to work this is the NFL teams figure you out they find the weakness and BOOM. The NY game it look as though most everybody on Offense except DK, Carson, Hide were afraid to get hit they had the same look as the Bronco's in SB 50.

    Bobby is slow and old I'm hoping Adams takes over this D. Adams fly's to the Ball everyone else waits for the ball to come to them they'll be 5 yds off and just freeze then Adams blows by them and makes the tackle. Have you noticed KJ is better in pass coverage then Wagner?
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Re: It is time to move on from Pete.
Wed Dec 09, 2020 12:41 am
  • Spin Doctor wrote:Pete Carroll has brought the Seahawks to new heights. He came in off of a failure of an administration and brought new life into the Seahawks. He brought us our only win in the big game ever in one of the most one sided Super Bowls ever. The Hawks absolutely stomped one of the best QBs of all time -- and almost shutout the best offenses in NFL history. That moment was one of the happiest moments in my life. I remember that day, the feelings in the street, it was magical. The crazy bastard did it again and got us into a second Super Bowl. Could we be the next dynasty? I wondered. The final second of the game came and the events that transpired collectively broke Seattle, and would be the catalyst for the dismantling of one of the greatest defenses of all time -- and what people consider to be the best team of the 2010s decade.

    Since that fateful day the Seahawks have returned back to the ratpack. Rule changes along with a slew of poor drafts, questionable trades and bad in game management have made the Seahawks, quite frankly mediocre. Good enough to get into the playoffs, not good enough to make it past the divisional game. This culminated in a season where the Seahawks missed the playoffs, what followed next was a purge. Our coaching staff was completely gutted, and our cornerstones players were let go. Many touted a 3 year rebuild/reload, here we are at the three year mark. What have we got to show for it? We've got some decent players, but a team that looks uninspired. A defense that was heading towards being one of the worst defenses in NFL history, and offense that is now struggling. By virtue of a weak ending schedule we got a team that could finish 12-4, but we all know that we are the great pretenders.

    The man at the center of this Pete Carroll is done being a top tier NFL coach. One poster said it best when they said "Pete Carroll is a hall of fame coach in between game days". Carroll seems to inspire his players, particularly the younger ones. He brings out the best in the players. Despite this, it has become clear that many other elements of a Pete Carroll led team are lacking, particularly his philosophies and in-game management. The same story is playing itself over, and over again, like a broken record player. For the past 5, going on six years, we've played this same dance, repeating the same mistakes. The Seahawks are trapped in a perpetual state of groundhogs day, tied to a coach that has clearly lost his edge.

    Carroll has lost his edge. There comes a time when even the greats lose touch of the game, we're seeing that right now. Holmgren, Parcells and Ditka come to mind. A arduous, slow decline from their haydays, into a state of mediocrity, or just flatout desolation. We're seeing that slow burn with Carroll right now. It has become clear that he is no longer capable of achieving anything with the Seahawks other than slowly backing into the playoffs. He's below .500 in the playoffs since our last Super Bowl appearance and we have not made it past the wildcard with some talented teams. Carroll's accomplished all he's going to accomplish here and it is time to move on. Nothing gold can stay, and Carroll's time has passed on. Ever year we keep Carroll, we take a year off of Russell Wilson's prime.


    As I read this post, I sit here in amazement as to how anybody could misunderstand a person such as Pete Carroll to the magnitude that this posts suggests... I have been a football fan for 45 years and talked football with many many people in my life and I have NEVER read or even heard of the amount of misunderstood garbage as what this post represents... It's not even worth the time to refute... its that LAME... My goodness !!!! But Im not mad i'm just blown away and it's becoming comical to read this sh!t...

    I just think that new people come on this board and form opinions based off the information they read on this site and I am here to tell you that this is complete well written utter garbage... it's a total lack of understanding...See, to know Carroll you have to know how he thinks which is difficult... you have to research him to get an understanding of why he makes the choices he makes... what IS his actual football philosophy where did it come from... to be a great coach you have to be able to work through adversity at an epic level and that's what he is doing right now, working through adversity... when 3/4 of this board starts freaking out at the first sign of diversity... It's not Carroll that needs the adjustment it's the fans who need the adjustment ... educate yourselves before you spew because it's really really lame to read this sh!t LMAO!!!!!

    To all of you new people who are forming opinions.. there are some really knowledgeable people on this board not so much this dude...and I'm NOT trying to come off like I know everything because I assure you I do not...but I am just saying ...take what you read with a grain of salt...


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Re: It is time to move on from Pete.
Wed Dec 09, 2020 4:16 am
  • LTH wrote:
    Spin Doctor wrote:Pete Carroll has brought the Seahawks to new heights. He came in off of a failure of an administration and brought new life into the Seahawks. He brought us our only win in the big game ever in one of the most one sided Super Bowls ever. The Hawks absolutely stomped one of the best QBs of all time -- and almost shutout the best offenses in NFL history. That moment was one of the happiest moments in my life. I remember that day, the feelings in the street, it was magical. The crazy bastard did it again and got us into a second Super Bowl. Could we be the next dynasty? I wondered. The final second of the game came and the events that transpired collectively broke Seattle, and would be the catalyst for the dismantling of one of the greatest defenses of all time -- and what people consider to be the best team of the 2010s decade.

    Since that fateful day the Seahawks have returned back to the ratpack. Rule changes along with a slew of poor drafts, questionable trades and bad in game management have made the Seahawks, quite frankly mediocre. Good enough to get into the playoffs, not good enough to make it past the divisional game. This culminated in a season where the Seahawks missed the playoffs, what followed next was a purge. Our coaching staff was completely gutted, and our cornerstones players were let go. Many touted a 3 year rebuild/reload, here we are at the three year mark. What have we got to show for it? We've got some decent players, but a team that looks uninspired. A defense that was heading towards being one of the worst defenses in NFL history, and offense that is now struggling. By virtue of a weak ending schedule we got a team that could finish 12-4, but we all know that we are the great pretenders.

    The man at the center of this Pete Carroll is done being a top tier NFL coach. One poster said it best when they said "Pete Carroll is a hall of fame coach in between game days". Carroll seems to inspire his players, particularly the younger ones. He brings out the best in the players. Despite this, it has become clear that many other elements of a Pete Carroll led team are lacking, particularly his philosophies and in-game management. The same story is playing itself over, and over again, like a broken record player. For the past 5, going on six years, we've played this same dance, repeating the same mistakes. The Seahawks are trapped in a perpetual state of groundhogs day, tied to a coach that has clearly lost his edge.

    Carroll has lost his edge. There comes a time when even the greats lose touch of the game, we're seeing that right now. Holmgren, Parcells and Ditka come to mind. A arduous, slow decline from their haydays, into a state of mediocrity, or just flatout desolation. We're seeing that slow burn with Carroll right now. It has become clear that he is no longer capable of achieving anything with the Seahawks other than slowly backing into the playoffs. He's below .500 in the playoffs since our last Super Bowl appearance and we have not made it past the wildcard with some talented teams. Carroll's accomplished all he's going to accomplish here and it is time to move on. Nothing gold can stay, and Carroll's time has passed on. Ever year we keep Carroll, we take a year off of Russell Wilson's prime.


    As I read this post, I sit here in amazement as to how anybody could misunderstand a person such as Pete Carroll to the magnitude that this posts suggests... I have been a football fan for 45 years and talked football with many many people in my life and I have NEVER read or even heard of the amount of misunderstood garbage as what this post represents... It's not even worth the time to refute... its that LAME... My goodness !!!! But Im not mad i'm just blown away and it's becoming comical to read this sh!t...

    I just think that new people come on this board and form opinions based off the information they read on this site and I am here to tell you that this is complete well written utter garbage... it's a total lack of understanding...See, to know Carroll you have to know how he thinks which is difficult... you have to research him to get an understanding of why he makes the choices he makes... what IS his actual football philosophy where did it come from... to be a great coach you have to be able to work through adversity at an epic level and that's what he is doing right now, working through adversity... when 3/4 of this board starts freaking out at the first sign of diversity... It's not Carroll that needs the adjustment it's the fans who need the adjustment ... educate yourselves before you spew because it's really really lame to read this sh!t LMAO!!!!!

    To all of you new people who are forming opinions.. there are some really knowledgeable people on this board not so much this dude...and I'm NOT trying to come off like I know everything because I assure you I do not...but I am just saying ...take what you read with a grain of salt...


    LTH

    Someone who gets it! Great post LTH. People won't realize how good we have it with Pete until he is gone
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Re: It is time to move on from Pete.
Wed Dec 09, 2020 8:37 am
  • LTH wrote:
    Spin Doctor wrote:Pete Carroll has brought the Seahawks to new heights. He came in off of a failure of an administration and brought new life into the Seahawks. He brought us our only win in the big game ever in one of the most one sided Super Bowls ever. The Hawks absolutely stomped one of the best QBs of all time -- and almost shutout the best offenses in NFL history. That moment was one of the happiest moments in my life. I remember that day, the feelings in the street, it was magical. The crazy bastard did it again and got us into a second Super Bowl. Could we be the next dynasty? I wondered. The final second of the game came and the events that transpired collectively broke Seattle, and would be the catalyst for the dismantling of one of the greatest defenses of all time -- and what people consider to be the best team of the 2010s decade.

    Since that fateful day the Seahawks have returned back to the ratpack. Rule changes along with a slew of poor drafts, questionable trades and bad in game management have made the Seahawks, quite frankly mediocre. Good enough to get into the playoffs, not good enough to make it past the divisional game. This culminated in a season where the Seahawks missed the playoffs, what followed next was a purge. Our coaching staff was completely gutted, and our cornerstones players were let go. Many touted a 3 year rebuild/reload, here we are at the three year mark. What have we got to show for it? We've got some decent players, but a team that looks uninspired. A defense that was heading towards being one of the worst defenses in NFL history, and offense that is now struggling. By virtue of a weak ending schedule we got a team that could finish 12-4, but we all know that we are the great pretenders.

    The man at the center of this Pete Carroll is done being a top tier NFL coach. One poster said it best when they said "Pete Carroll is a hall of fame coach in between game days". Carroll seems to inspire his players, particularly the younger ones. He brings out the best in the players. Despite this, it has become clear that many other elements of a Pete Carroll led team are lacking, particularly his philosophies and in-game management. The same story is playing itself over, and over again, like a broken record player. For the past 5, going on six years, we've played this same dance, repeating the same mistakes. The Seahawks are trapped in a perpetual state of groundhogs day, tied to a coach that has clearly lost his edge.

    Carroll has lost his edge. There comes a time when even the greats lose touch of the game, we're seeing that right now. Holmgren, Parcells and Ditka come to mind. A arduous, slow decline from their haydays, into a state of mediocrity, or just flatout desolation. We're seeing that slow burn with Carroll right now. It has become clear that he is no longer capable of achieving anything with the Seahawks other than slowly backing into the playoffs. He's below .500 in the playoffs since our last Super Bowl appearance and we have not made it past the wildcard with some talented teams. Carroll's accomplished all he's going to accomplish here and it is time to move on. Nothing gold can stay, and Carroll's time has passed on. Ever year we keep Carroll, we take a year off of Russell Wilson's prime.


    As I read this post, I sit here in amazement as to how anybody could misunderstand a person such as Pete Carroll to the magnitude that this posts suggests... I have been a football fan for 45 years and talked football with many many people in my life and I have NEVER read or even heard of the amount of misunderstood garbage as what this post represents... It's not even worth the time to refute... its that LAME... My goodness !!!! But Im not mad i'm just blown away and it's becoming comical to read this sh!t...

    I just think that new people come on this board and form opinions based off the information they read on this site and I am here to tell you that this is complete well written utter garbage... it's a total lack of understanding...See, to know Carroll you have to know how he thinks which is difficult... you have to research him to get an understanding of why he makes the choices he makes... what IS his actual football philosophy where did it come from... to be a great coach you have to be able to work through adversity at an epic level and that's what he is doing right now, working through adversity... when 3/4 of this board starts freaking out at the first sign of diversity... It's not Carroll that needs the adjustment it's the fans who need the adjustment ... educate yourselves before you spew because it's really really lame to read this sh!t LMAO!!!!!

    To all of you new people who are forming opinions.. there are some really knowledgeable people on this board not so much this dude...and I'm NOT trying to come off like I know everything because I assure you I do not...but I am just saying ...take what you read with a grain of salt...


    LTH


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Re: It is time to move on from Pete.
Wed Dec 09, 2020 8:45 am
  • Spin Doctor wrote:Pete Carroll has brought the Seahawks to new heights. He came in off of a failure of an administration and brought new life into the Seahawks. He brought us our only win in the big game ever in one of the most one sided Super Bowls ever. The Hawks absolutely stomped one of the best QBs of all time -- and almost shutout the best offenses in NFL history. That moment was one of the happiest moments in my life. I remember that day, the feelings in the street, it was magical. The crazy bastard did it again and got us into a second Super Bowl. Could we be the next dynasty? I wondered. The final second of the game came and the events that transpired collectively broke Seattle, and would be the catalyst for the dismantling of one of the greatest defenses of all time -- and what people consider to be the best team of the 2010s decade.

    Since that fateful day the Seahawks have returned back to the ratpack. Rule changes along with a slew of poor drafts, questionable trades and bad in game management have made the Seahawks, quite frankly mediocre. Good enough to get into the playoffs, not good enough to make it past the divisional game. This culminated in a season where the Seahawks missed the playoffs, what followed next was a purge. Our coaching staff was completely gutted, and our cornerstones players were let go. Many touted a 3 year rebuild/reload, here we are at the three year mark. What have we got to show for it? We've got some decent players, but a team that looks uninspired. A defense that was heading towards being one of the worst defenses in NFL history, and offense that is now struggling. By virtue of a weak ending schedule we got a team that could finish 12-4, but we all know that we are the great pretenders.

    The man at the center of this Pete Carroll is done being a top tier NFL coach. One poster said it best when they said "Pete Carroll is a hall of fame coach in between game days". Carroll seems to inspire his players, particularly the younger ones. He brings out the best in the players. Despite this, it has become clear that many other elements of a Pete Carroll led team are lacking, particularly his philosophies and in-game management. The same story is playing itself over, and over again, like a broken record player. For the past 5, going on six years, we've played this same dance, repeating the same mistakes. The Seahawks are trapped in a perpetual state of groundhogs day, tied to a coach that has clearly lost his edge.

    Carroll has lost his edge. There comes a time when even the greats lose touch of the game, we're seeing that right now. Holmgren, Parcells and Ditka come to mind. A arduous, slow decline from their haydays, into a state of mediocrity, or just flatout desolation. We're seeing that slow burn with Carroll right now. It has become clear that he is no longer capable of achieving anything with the Seahawks other than slowly backing into the playoffs. He's below .500 in the playoffs since our last Super Bowl appearance and we have not made it past the wildcard with some talented teams. Carroll's accomplished all he's going to accomplish here and it is time to move on. Nothing gold can stay, and Carroll's time has passed on. Ever year we keep Carroll, we take a year off of Russell Wilson's prime.


    Not a single thing you posted was based on logic, facts, or football knowledge. It was all based on "feels". What a bunch of bovine excrement.
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Re: It is time to move on from Pete.
Wed Dec 09, 2020 9:37 am
  • LTH wrote:
    Spin Doctor wrote:Pete Carroll has brought the Seahawks to new heights. He came in off of a failure of an administration and brought new life into the Seahawks. He brought us our only win in the big game ever in one of the most one sided Super Bowls ever. The Hawks absolutely stomped one of the best QBs of all time -- and almost shutout the best offenses in NFL history. That moment was one of the happiest moments in my life. I remember that day, the feelings in the street, it was magical. The crazy bastard did it again and got us into a second Super Bowl. Could we be the next dynasty? I wondered. The final second of the game came and the events that transpired collectively broke Seattle, and would be the catalyst for the dismantling of one of the greatest defenses of all time -- and what people consider to be the best team of the 2010s decade.

    Since that fateful day the Seahawks have returned back to the ratpack. Rule changes along with a slew of poor drafts, questionable trades and bad in game management have made the Seahawks, quite frankly mediocre. Good enough to get into the playoffs, not good enough to make it past the divisional game. This culminated in a season where the Seahawks missed the playoffs, what followed next was a purge. Our coaching staff was completely gutted, and our cornerstones players were let go. Many touted a 3 year rebuild/reload, here we are at the three year mark. What have we got to show for it? We've got some decent players, but a team that looks uninspired. A defense that was heading towards being one of the worst defenses in NFL history, and offense that is now struggling. By virtue of a weak ending schedule we got a team that could finish 12-4, but we all know that we are the great pretenders.

    The man at the center of this Pete Carroll is done being a top tier NFL coach. One poster said it best when they said "Pete Carroll is a hall of fame coach in between game days". Carroll seems to inspire his players, particularly the younger ones. He brings out the best in the players. Despite this, it has become clear that many other elements of a Pete Carroll led team are lacking, particularly his philosophies and in-game management. The same story is playing itself over, and over again, like a broken record player. For the past 5, going on six years, we've played this same dance, repeating the same mistakes. The Seahawks are trapped in a perpetual state of groundhogs day, tied to a coach that has clearly lost his edge.

    Carroll has lost his edge. There comes a time when even the greats lose touch of the game, we're seeing that right now. Holmgren, Parcells and Ditka come to mind. A arduous, slow decline from their haydays, into a state of mediocrity, or just flatout desolation. We're seeing that slow burn with Carroll right now. It has become clear that he is no longer capable of achieving anything with the Seahawks other than slowly backing into the playoffs. He's below .500 in the playoffs since our last Super Bowl appearance and we have not made it past the wildcard with some talented teams. Carroll's accomplished all he's going to accomplish here and it is time to move on. Nothing gold can stay, and Carroll's time has passed on. Ever year we keep Carroll, we take a year off of Russell Wilson's prime.


    As I read this post, I sit here in amazement as to how anybody could misunderstand a person such as Pete Carroll to the magnitude that this posts suggests... I have been a football fan for 45 years and talked football with many many people in my life and I have NEVER read or even heard of the amount of misunderstood garbage as what this post represents... It's not even worth the time to refute... its that LAME... My goodness !!!! But Im not mad i'm just blown away and it's becoming comical to read this sh!t...

    I just think that new people come on this board and form opinions based off the information they read on this site and I am here to tell you that this is complete well written utter garbage... it's a total lack of understanding...See, to know Carroll you have to know how he thinks which is difficult... you have to research him to get an understanding of why he makes the choices he makes... what IS his actual football philosophy where did it come from... to be a great coach you have to be able to work through adversity at an epic level and that's what he is doing right now, working through adversity... when 3/4 of this board starts freaking out at the first sign of diversity... It's not Carroll that needs the adjustment it's the fans who need the adjustment ... educate yourselves before you spew because it's really really lame to read this sh!t LMAO!!!!!

    To all of you new people who are forming opinions.. there are some really knowledgeable people on this board not so much this dude...and I'm NOT trying to come off like I know everything because I assure you I do not...but I am just saying ...take what you read with a grain of salt...


    LTH



    All I read here is another older person who is convinced everyone under the age of 50 is stupid. You know there was a time people thought the world was flat (some people still do). There was a time people thought black people and women shouldn't be allowed to vote or be treated equally (apparently a lot of people still do as shown in 2020...a lot of them older). So lets not pretend being around on this Earth longer suddenly makes you better than everyone else....

    Hell even as someone in my late 30s (yeah I'l be transparent with my age here because I have a lot of accomplishments in my life I'm proud of, learned a lot of life lessons and continue to grow everyday and if one thing has taught me anything it's always learn and get better). I even found myself struggling with the concepts of some of the younger 15-25 year olds but at the same time...why? was it just because I was stuck in my ways? maybe they have more information available to them now, making the world a smaller place, than we ever had at that age. I have been working with computers all my life, but no i that 15-20 year old person could never know a software better than me right? because I know DOS and C++ so they possibly couldn't know more about Python or Javacript than me?

    The world is evolving always (and so is football). If you're not adapting with it, you're dying. There is a reason why every successful business even at the top is always looking to do more change things up, improve their product, because if you just stick with the same thing despite how you built your original philosophy...you will be dethroned and find your way out. The seahawks are a business...a business that wants to be at the top. You tell me how many top businesses keep their exact philosophy year after year and stay on top?

    All you have to rely on is..people don't know how good we have it...Yeah you got to experience to Seahawks be bottom dwellers for along time, that sucks. Being a playoff team IS good. You are $h!t on people who want it better. That's the exact same thing as people who are fighting for BLM right now, and older people saying you don't know how bad it was for minorities in the 50-60s...shut your mouth you have it so good already...they want it better.
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Re: It is time to move on from Pete.
Wed Dec 09, 2020 10:01 am
  • I think Pete is a dinosaur that will continue to slowly lose effectiveness over time. He already has.

    Still likely better than the alternative.

    That said, Alabama is the example you could take instead. Alabama was not just OK with winning. It wanted to be one of the better teams in CFB. They jettisoned a number of coaches that were not doing terrible, just not doing incredible. And for a while, it looked like all the cycling coaches had almost turned them irrelevant. It seemed counter productive, because not only were they not winning - they were losing relevance.

    Then they got Saban and now they have been dominant for years.

    So if you are willing to throw away winning repeatedly, and OK with the turmoil and losing between - it sometimes can work out for you.

    The odds are not great though. Every program is looking for a great coach.

    Guys like John DeFillippo were supposed to be sure things at one time. Is Eric B the next John D?

    If consistent winning is the important factor, you have to continue to ride with Pete. If doing anything in the playoffs is? Then Pete will bring you nothing and you have to move on from him. But if you do, chances are you will lose a lot more before you start winning again.
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Re: It is time to move on from Pete.
Wed Dec 09, 2020 10:12 am
  • ZagHawk wrote:
    LTH wrote:
    Spin Doctor wrote:Pete Carroll has brought the Seahawks to new heights. He came in off of a failure of an administration and brought new life into the Seahawks. He brought us our only win in the big game ever in one of the most one sided Super Bowls ever. The Hawks absolutely stomped one of the best QBs of all time -- and almost shutout the best offenses in NFL history. That moment was one of the happiest moments in my life. I remember that day, the feelings in the street, it was magical. The crazy bastard did it again and got us into a second Super Bowl. Could we be the next dynasty? I wondered. The final second of the game came and the events that transpired collectively broke Seattle, and would be the catalyst for the dismantling of one of the greatest defenses of all time -- and what people consider to be the best team of the 2010s decade.

    Since that fateful day the Seahawks have returned back to the ratpack. Rule changes along with a slew of poor drafts, questionable trades and bad in game management have made the Seahawks, quite frankly mediocre. Good enough to get into the playoffs, not good enough to make it past the divisional game. This culminated in a season where the Seahawks missed the playoffs, what followed next was a purge. Our coaching staff was completely gutted, and our cornerstones players were let go. Many touted a 3 year rebuild/reload, here we are at the three year mark. What have we got to show for it? We've got some decent players, but a team that looks uninspired. A defense that was heading towards being one of the worst defenses in NFL history, and offense that is now struggling. By virtue of a weak ending schedule we got a team that could finish 12-4, but we all know that we are the great pretenders.

    The man at the center of this Pete Carroll is done being a top tier NFL coach. One poster said it best when they said "Pete Carroll is a hall of fame coach in between game days". Carroll seems to inspire his players, particularly the younger ones. He brings out the best in the players. Despite this, it has become clear that many other elements of a Pete Carroll led team are lacking, particularly his philosophies and in-game management. The same story is playing itself over, and over again, like a broken record player. For the past 5, going on six years, we've played this same dance, repeating the same mistakes. The Seahawks are trapped in a perpetual state of groundhogs day, tied to a coach that has clearly lost his edge.

    Carroll has lost his edge. There comes a time when even the greats lose touch of the game, we're seeing that right now. Holmgren, Parcells and Ditka come to mind. A arduous, slow decline from their haydays, into a state of mediocrity, or just flatout desolation. We're seeing that slow burn with Carroll right now. It has become clear that he is no longer capable of achieving anything with the Seahawks other than slowly backing into the playoffs. He's below .500 in the playoffs since our last Super Bowl appearance and we have not made it past the wildcard with some talented teams. Carroll's accomplished all he's going to accomplish here and it is time to move on. Nothing gold can stay, and Carroll's time has passed on. Ever year we keep Carroll, we take a year off of Russell Wilson's prime.


    As I read this post, I sit here in amazement as to how anybody could misunderstand a person such as Pete Carroll to the magnitude that this posts suggests... I have been a football fan for 45 years and talked football with many many people in my life and I have NEVER read or even heard of the amount of misunderstood garbage as what this post represents... It's not even worth the time to refute... its that LAME... My goodness !!!! But Im not mad i'm just blown away and it's becoming comical to read this sh!t...

    I just think that new people come on this board and form opinions based off the information they read on this site and I am here to tell you that this is complete well written utter garbage... it's a total lack of understanding...See, to know Carroll you have to know how he thinks which is difficult... you have to research him to get an understanding of why he makes the choices he makes... what IS his actual football philosophy where did it come from... to be a great coach you have to be able to work through adversity at an epic level and that's what he is doing right now, working through adversity... when 3/4 of this board starts freaking out at the first sign of diversity... It's not Carroll that needs the adjustment it's the fans who need the adjustment ... educate yourselves before you spew because it's really really lame to read this sh!t LMAO!!!!!

    To all of you new people who are forming opinions.. there are some really knowledgeable people on this board not so much this dude...and I'm NOT trying to come off like I know everything because I assure you I do not...but I am just saying ...take what you read with a grain of salt...


    LTH



    All I read here is another older person who is convinced everyone under the age of 50 is stupid. You know there was a time people thought the world was flat (some people still do). There was a time people thought black people and women shouldn't be allowed to vote or be treated equally (apparently a lot of people still do as shown in 2020...a lot of them older). So lets not pretend being around on this Earth longer suddenly makes you better than everyone else....

    Hell even as someone in my late 30s (yeah I'l be transparent with my age here because I have a lot of accomplishments in my life I'm proud of, learned a lot of life lessons and continue to grow everyday and if one thing has taught me anything it's always learn and get better). I even found myself struggling with the concepts of some of the younger 15-25 year olds but at the same time...why? was it just because I was stuck in my ways? maybe they have more information available to them now, making the world a smaller place, than we ever had at that age. I have been working with computers all my life, but no i that 15-20 year old person could never know a software better than me right? because I know DOS and C++ so they possibly couldn't know more about Python or Javacript than me?

    The world is evolving always (and so is football). If you're not adapting with it, you're dying. There is a reason why every successful business even at the top is always looking to do more change things up, improve their product, because if you just stick with the same thing despite how you built your original philosophy...you will be dethroned and find your way out. The seahawks are a business...a business that wants to be at the top. You tell me how many top businesses keep their exact philosophy year after year and stay on top?

    All you have to rely on is..people don't know how good we have it...Yeah you got to experience to Seahawks be bottom dwellers for along time, that sucks. Being a playoff team IS good. You are $h!t on people who want it better. That's the exact same thing as people who are fighting for BLM right now, and older people saying you don't know how bad it was for minorities in the 50-60s...shut your mouth you have it so good already...they want it better.


    Wow that is so insightful I mean that I'm almost 60 and enjoyed reading this. You are correct about this country is evolving no one is going to stop it I just hope it goes in the right way. Business, If you don't constantly strive to make your product better then eventually you will go broke someone will put the work in on your product and start out selling you.

    When people get comfortable on their Jobs they seem do do less and care more about other things the eye of the tiger is gone. When Pete held up the Lombardi he said we were going to have a lot more of them well we're still waiting.
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Re: It is time to move on from Pete.
Wed Dec 09, 2020 10:59 am
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    If consistent winning is the important factor, you have to continue to ride with Pete. If doing anything in the playoffs is? Then Pete will bring you nothing and you have to move on from him. But if you do, chances are you will lose a lot more before you start winning again.



    Agree here for sure. It's not an easy thing to say we may need to move on from Pete. He is a GREAT coach. I think people are just realizing his ceiling is lowering every year as he is stuck in his ways and every year we get proof he is indeed stuck in his ways while the football world evolves around him. No one wants to watch our team hit bottom and know you gave up something good for potentially something great and perhaps that great didn't come around. But it also sucks to watch the talent on this team essentially be wasted.

    Honestly the same was said about RW before he got paid...and paid again. There were fans that knew once you pay a QB, you're going to be good, but you're not gonna be great because the other parts on the team have to give to make up that salary (and well look at the team accomplishments since RW got paid...and this is not just RW, this is ever QB who gets paid). Same arguments get made, you may never find another franchise QB, meanwhile the teams not named the Patriots going to the SB are doing it with rookie QBs and high paid pieces around them. I honestly think Mahomes may go back to the SB this year, BUT after this year when his salary cap (similar to RWs) really impacts his team, he may look just like Aaron Rodgers has the past few years where everyone starts blaming O-Line, injuries and/or bad defense as the reason for losses (not realizing his contract directly impacts those things).

    Anyway, for me as a fan...if I have to choose 5 more years of relevance but really not getting anywhere...and then having to start over finding a new franchise QB and new Coach...versus retaining RW now and maybe a few years of bumpiness to ideally something that could become a true championship contender (top 2 team in the league strong in every area). BUT if it does NOT work out 5 years of crap and then starting over with new coach and QB anyway...for me I'm willing to take that gamble.

    The sad part is this isn't even an issue...none of it is...if Pete was a coach who made minor adjustments every now and then to his proven successful philosophy. I wrote it before it's almost as if after SB 49, he got cute and had them pass the ball versus run the ball (with his philosophy). It obviously blew up in his face, and he decided then and forever...I will never stray or second guess my philosophy of pete-ball again.
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Re: It is time to move on from Pete.
Wed Dec 09, 2020 12:08 pm
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Re: It is time to move on from Pete.
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Re: It is time to move on from Pete.
Wed Dec 09, 2020 12:34 pm
  • ZagHawk wrote:
    LTH wrote:
    Spin Doctor wrote:Pete Carroll has brought the Seahawks to new heights. He came in off of a failure of an administration and brought new life into the Seahawks. He brought us our only win in the big game ever in one of the most one sided Super Bowls ever. The Hawks absolutely stomped one of the best QBs of all time -- and almost shutout the best offenses in NFL history. That moment was one of the happiest moments in my life. I remember that day, the feelings in the street, it was magical. The crazy bastard did it again and got us into a second Super Bowl. Could we be the next dynasty? I wondered. The final second of the game came and the events that transpired collectively broke Seattle, and would be the catalyst for the dismantling of one of the greatest defenses of all time -- and what people consider to be the best team of the 2010s decade.

    Since that fateful day the Seahawks have returned back to the ratpack. Rule changes along with a slew of poor drafts, questionable trades and bad in game management have made the Seahawks, quite frankly mediocre. Good enough to get into the playoffs, not good enough to make it past the divisional game. This culminated in a season where the Seahawks missed the playoffs, what followed next was a purge. Our coaching staff was completely gutted, and our cornerstones players were let go. Many touted a 3 year rebuild/reload, here we are at the three year mark. What have we got to show for it? We've got some decent players, but a team that looks uninspired. A defense that was heading towards being one of the worst defenses in NFL history, and offense that is now struggling. By virtue of a weak ending schedule we got a team that could finish 12-4, but we all know that we are the great pretenders.

    The man at the center of this Pete Carroll is done being a top tier NFL coach. One poster said it best when they said "Pete Carroll is a hall of fame coach in between game days". Carroll seems to inspire his players, particularly the younger ones. He brings out the best in the players. Despite this, it has become clear that many other elements of a Pete Carroll led team are lacking, particularly his philosophies and in-game management. The same story is playing itself over, and over again, like a broken record player. For the past 5, going on six years, we've played this same dance, repeating the same mistakes. The Seahawks are trapped in a perpetual state of groundhogs day, tied to a coach that has clearly lost his edge.

    Carroll has lost his edge. There comes a time when even the greats lose touch of the game, we're seeing that right now. Holmgren, Parcells and Ditka come to mind. A arduous, slow decline from their haydays, into a state of mediocrity, or just flatout desolation. We're seeing that slow burn with Carroll right now. It has become clear that he is no longer capable of achieving anything with the Seahawks other than slowly backing into the playoffs. He's below .500 in the playoffs since our last Super Bowl appearance and we have not made it past the wildcard with some talented teams. Carroll's accomplished all he's going to accomplish here and it is time to move on. Nothing gold can stay, and Carroll's time has passed on. Ever year we keep Carroll, we take a year off of Russell Wilson's prime.


    As I read this post, I sit here in amazement as to how anybody could misunderstand a person such as Pete Carroll to the magnitude that this posts suggests... I have been a football fan for 45 years and talked football with many many people in my life and I have NEVER read or even heard of the amount of misunderstood garbage as what this post represents... It's not even worth the time to refute... its that LAME... My goodness !!!! But Im not mad i'm just blown away and it's becoming comical to read this sh!t...

    I just think that new people come on this board and form opinions based off the information they read on this site and I am here to tell you that this is complete well written utter garbage... it's a total lack of understanding...See, to know Carroll you have to know how he thinks which is difficult... you have to research him to get an understanding of why he makes the choices he makes... what IS his actual football philosophy where did it come from... to be a great coach you have to be able to work through adversity at an epic level and that's what he is doing right now, working through adversity... when 3/4 of this board starts freaking out at the first sign of diversity... It's not Carroll that needs the adjustment it's the fans who need the adjustment ... educate yourselves before you spew because it's really really lame to read this sh!t LMAO!!!!!

    To all of you new people who are forming opinions.. there are some really knowledgeable people on this board not so much this dude...and I'm NOT trying to come off like I know everything because I assure you I do not...but I am just saying ...take what you read with a grain of salt...


    LTH



    All I read here is another older person who is convinced everyone under the age of 50 is stupid. You know there was a time people thought the world was flat (some people still do). There was a time people thought black people and women shouldn't be allowed to vote or be treated equally (apparently a lot of people still do as shown in 2020...a lot of them older). So lets not pretend being around on this Earth longer suddenly makes you better than everyone else....

    Hell even as someone in my late 30s (yeah I'l be transparent with my age here because I have a lot of accomplishments in my life I'm proud of, learned a lot of life lessons and continue to grow everyday and if one thing has taught me anything it's always learn and get better). I even found myself struggling with the concepts of some of the younger 15-25 year olds but at the same time...why? was it just because I was stuck in my ways? maybe they have more information available to them now, making the world a smaller place, than we ever had at that age. I have been working with computers all my life, but no i that 15-20 year old person could never know a software better than me right? because I know DOS and C++ so they possibly couldn't know more about Python or Javacript than me?

    The world is evolving always (and so is football). If you're not adapting with it, you're dying. There is a reason why every successful business even at the top is always looking to do more change things up, improve their product, because if you just stick with the same thing despite how you built your original philosophy...you will be dethroned and find your way out. The seahawks are a business...a business that wants to be at the top. You tell me how many top businesses keep their exact philosophy year after year and stay on top?

    All you have to rely on is..people don't know how good we have it...Yeah you got to experience to Seahawks be bottom dwellers for along time, that sucks. Being a playoff team IS good. You are $h!t on people who want it better. That's the exact same thing as people who are fighting for BLM right now, and older people saying you don't know how bad it was for minorities in the 50-60s...shut your mouth you have it so good already...they want it better.



    Again another post that is TOTALLY off base... I don't care how old you are... Stupid is as stupid does... doesn't matter how old you are...

    What you guys are doing is chasing off all the good posters with loads of bullsh!t... The one thing I notice is that the guys who know what they are actually talking about and have insightful information to share don't want to contribute because its NOT worth it...I've been on this board for a long time and I'm seeing less and less of the guys who are really insightful..

    Not to say that you shouldn't be allowed to make a post but do some research before you start spewing... you talk about BLM and social issue without even the understanding that Pete Carroll is a leader with his team using his platform to discuss social issues... why is that? Do you have ANY clue why he does what he does? No because your firing from the hip, flapping your lips about sh!t you have no idea what your talking about... Its so ridiculous that I might as well just watch Oprah winfrey reruns and smoke weed all day rather than listen to the crap that is being spewed on this board...

    Go back and research Pete Carroll ... find out where he came from... find out who his mentors are... understand his background... understand his philosophies... read his books then come in and give an assessment of why you think change needs to be made based off of what you know of him and your best guess about why he does what he does... because you and about half this board don't have a clear understanding of what's happening...

    Yeah Im old Ive seen a lot of sh!t in my life ... i'm a vet Ive seen sh!t that I don't even want to talk about... It used to be that the youth respected people who who were their elders but this country has no respect for anything any more and its sad...

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Re: It is time to move on from Pete.
Wed Dec 09, 2020 1:02 pm
  • LTH wrote:
    ZagHawk wrote:
    LTH wrote:
    Spin Doctor wrote:Pete Carroll has brought the Seahawks to new heights. He came in off of a failure of an administration and brought new life into the Seahawks. He brought us our only win in the big game ever in one of the most one sided Super Bowls ever. The Hawks absolutely stomped one of the best QBs of all time -- and almost shutout the best offenses in NFL history. That moment was one of the happiest moments in my life. I remember that day, the feelings in the street, it was magical. The crazy bastard did it again and got us into a second Super Bowl. Could we be the next dynasty? I wondered. The final second of the game came and the events that transpired collectively broke Seattle, and would be the catalyst for the dismantling of one of the greatest defenses of all time -- and what people consider to be the best team of the 2010s decade.

    Since that fateful day the Seahawks have returned back to the ratpack. Rule changes along with a slew of poor drafts, questionable trades and bad in game management have made the Seahawks, quite frankly mediocre. Good enough to get into the playoffs, not good enough to make it past the divisional game. This culminated in a season where the Seahawks missed the playoffs, what followed next was a purge. Our coaching staff was completely gutted, and our cornerstones players were let go. Many touted a 3 year rebuild/reload, here we are at the three year mark. What have we got to show for it? We've got some decent players, but a team that looks uninspired. A defense that was heading towards being one of the worst defenses in NFL history, and offense that is now struggling. By virtue of a weak ending schedule we got a team that could finish 12-4, but we all know that we are the great pretenders.

    The man at the center of this Pete Carroll is done being a top tier NFL coach. One poster said it best when they said "Pete Carroll is a hall of fame coach in between game days". Carroll seems to inspire his players, particularly the younger ones. He brings out the best in the players. Despite this, it has become clear that many other elements of a Pete Carroll led team are lacking, particularly his philosophies and in-game management. The same story is playing itself over, and over again, like a broken record player. For the past 5, going on six years, we've played this same dance, repeating the same mistakes. The Seahawks are trapped in a perpetual state of groundhogs day, tied to a coach that has clearly lost his edge.

    Carroll has lost his edge. There comes a time when even the greats lose touch of the game, we're seeing that right now. Holmgren, Parcells and Ditka come to mind. A arduous, slow decline from their haydays, into a state of mediocrity, or just flatout desolation. We're seeing that slow burn with Carroll right now. It has become clear that he is no longer capable of achieving anything with the Seahawks other than slowly backing into the playoffs. He's below .500 in the playoffs since our last Super Bowl appearance and we have not made it past the wildcard with some talented teams. Carroll's accomplished all he's going to accomplish here and it is time to move on. Nothing gold can stay, and Carroll's time has passed on. Ever year we keep Carroll, we take a year off of Russell Wilson's prime.


    As I read this post, I sit here in amazement as to how anybody could misunderstand a person such as Pete Carroll to the magnitude that this posts suggests... I have been a football fan for 45 years and talked football with many many people in my life and I have NEVER read or even heard of the amount of misunderstood garbage as what this post represents... It's not even worth the time to refute... its that LAME... My goodness !!!! But Im not mad i'm just blown away and it's becoming comical to read this sh!t...

    I just think that new people come on this board and form opinions based off the information they read on this site and I am here to tell you that this is complete well written utter garbage... it's a total lack of understanding...See, to know Carroll you have to know how he thinks which is difficult... you have to research him to get an understanding of why he makes the choices he makes... what IS his actual football philosophy where did it come from... to be a great coach you have to be able to work through adversity at an epic level and that's what he is doing right now, working through adversity... when 3/4 of this board starts freaking out at the first sign of diversity... It's not Carroll that needs the adjustment it's the fans who need the adjustment ... educate yourselves before you spew because it's really really lame to read this sh!t LMAO!!!!!

    To all of you new people who are forming opinions.. there are some really knowledgeable people on this board not so much this dude...and I'm NOT trying to come off like I know everything because I assure you I do not...but I am just saying ...take what you read with a grain of salt...


    LTH



    All I read here is another older person who is convinced everyone under the age of 50 is stupid. You know there was a time people thought the world was flat (some people still do). There was a time people thought black people and women shouldn't be allowed to vote or be treated equally (apparently a lot of people still do as shown in 2020...a lot of them older). So lets not pretend being around on this Earth longer suddenly makes you better than everyone else....

    Hell even as someone in my late 30s (yeah I'l be transparent with my age here because I have a lot of accomplishments in my life I'm proud of, learned a lot of life lessons and continue to grow everyday and if one thing has taught me anything it's always learn and get better). I even found myself struggling with the concepts of some of the younger 15-25 year olds but at the same time...why? was it just because I was stuck in my ways? maybe they have more information available to them now, making the world a smaller place, than we ever had at that age. I have been working with computers all my life, but no i that 15-20 year old person could never know a software better than me right? because I know DOS and C++ so they possibly couldn't know more about Python or Javacript than me?

    The world is evolving always (and so is football). If you're not adapting with it, you're dying. There is a reason why every successful business even at the top is always looking to do more change things up, improve their product, because if you just stick with the same thing despite how you built your original philosophy...you will be dethroned and find your way out. The seahawks are a business...a business that wants to be at the top. You tell me how many top businesses keep their exact philosophy year after year and stay on top?

    All you have to rely on is..people don't know how good we have it...Yeah you got to experience to Seahawks be bottom dwellers for along time, that sucks. Being a playoff team IS good. You are $h!t on people who want it better. That's the exact same thing as people who are fighting for BLM right now, and older people saying you don't know how bad it was for minorities in the 50-60s...shut your mouth you have it so good already...they want it better.



    Again another post that is TOTALLY off base... I don't care how old you are... Stupid is as stupid does... doesn't matter how old you are...

    What you guys are doing is chasing off all the good posters with loads of bullsh!t... The one thing I notice is that the guys who know what they are actually talking about and have insightful information to share don't want to contribute because its NOT worth it...I've been on this board for a long time and I'm seeing less and less of the guys who are really insightful..

    Not to say that you shouldn't be allowed to make a post but do some research before you start spewing... you talk about BLM and social issue without even the understanding that Pete Carroll is a leader with his team using his platform to discuss social issues... why is that? Do you have ANY clue why he does what he does? No because your firing from the hip, flapping your lips about sh!t you have no idea what your talking about... Its so ridiculous that I might as well just watch Oprah winfrey reruns and smoke weed all day rather than listen to the crap that is being spewed on this board...

    Go back and research Petre Carroll ... find out where he came from... find out who his mentors are... understand his background... understand his philosophies... read his books then come in and give an assessment of why you think change needs to be made based off of what you know of him and your best guess about why he does what he does... because you and about half this board don't have a clear understanding of what's happening...

    Yeah Im old Ive seen a lot of sh!t in my life ... i'm a vet Ive seen sh!t that I don't even want to talk about... It used to be that the youth respected people who who were their elders but this country has no respect for anything any more and its sad...


    LTH

    . As a minority it can be argued I was raised in multiple cultures that respects our elders way more than a typical white American (this is FACT). But I respect a lot of people I encounter, mainly for how they present themselves and their accomplishments. I definitely lose it the second a person leans on their age as THE REASON to respect them. Someone you respect (older or younger) doesn't need to use "Respect your elders" as reasoning to have your respect. And respectfully...THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE TO THIS COUNTRY...I respect that, but presenting yourself as someone who calls everyone morons who doesn't agree with you...that's one step away from MAGA country "stop drinking the kool aid about the fake virus". I dont need to read PC's books or understand his philosophies to see it's not working. The proof is in the pudding, play off exit after play off exit with an anemic offense after anemic offense with a too little too late exit against good defenses speak for themselves. SOMETHING MUST CHANGE.
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Re: It is time to move on from Pete.
Wed Dec 09, 2020 1:09 pm
  • onepicknick1 wrote:
    ZagHawk wrote:
    LTH wrote:
    Spin Doctor wrote:Pete Carroll has brought the Seahawks to new heights. He came in off of a failure of an administration and brought new life into the Seahawks. He brought us our only win in the big game ever in one of the most one sided Super Bowls ever. The Hawks absolutely stomped one of the best QBs of all time -- and almost shutout the best offenses in NFL history. That moment was one of the happiest moments in my life. I remember that day, the feelings in the street, it was magical. The crazy bastard did it again and got us into a second Super Bowl. Could we be the next dynasty? I wondered. The final second of the game came and the events that transpired collectively broke Seattle, and would be the catalyst for the dismantling of one of the greatest defenses of all time -- and what people consider to be the best team of the 2010s decade.

    Since that fateful day the Seahawks have returned back to the ratpack. Rule changes along with a slew of poor drafts, questionable trades and bad in game management have made the Seahawks, quite frankly mediocre. Good enough to get into the playoffs, not good enough to make it past the divisional game. This culminated in a season where the Seahawks missed the playoffs, what followed next was a purge. Our coaching staff was completely gutted, and our cornerstones players were let go. Many touted a 3 year rebuild/reload, here we are at the three year mark. What have we got to show for it? We've got some decent players, but a team that looks uninspired. A defense that was heading towards being one of the worst defenses in NFL history, and offense that is now struggling. By virtue of a weak ending schedule we got a team that could finish 12-4, but we all know that we are the great pretenders.

    The man at the center of this Pete Carroll is done being a top tier NFL coach. One poster said it best when they said "Pete Carroll is a hall of fame coach in between game days". Carroll seems to inspire his players, particularly the younger ones. He brings out the best in the players. Despite this, it has become clear that many other elements of a Pete Carroll led team are lacking, particularly his philosophies and in-game management. The same story is playing itself over, and over again, like a broken record player. For the past 5, going on six years, we've played this same dance, repeating the same mistakes. The Seahawks are trapped in a perpetual state of groundhogs day, tied to a coach that has clearly lost his edge.

    Carroll has lost his edge. There comes a time when even the greats lose touch of the game, we're seeing that right now. Holmgren, Parcells and Ditka come to mind. A arduous, slow decline from their haydays, into a state of mediocrity, or just flatout desolation. We're seeing that slow burn with Carroll right now. It has become clear that he is no longer capable of achieving anything with the Seahawks other than slowly backing into the playoffs. He's below .500 in the playoffs since our last Super Bowl appearance and we have not made it past the wildcard with some talented teams. Carroll's accomplished all he's going to accomplish here and it is time to move on. Nothing gold can stay, and Carroll's time has passed on. Ever year we keep Carroll, we take a year off of Russell Wilson's prime.


    As I read this post, I sit here in amazement as to how anybody could misunderstand a person such as Pete Carroll to the magnitude that this posts suggests... I have been a football fan for 45 years and talked football with many many people in my life and I have NEVER read or even heard of the amount of misunderstood garbage as what this post represents... It's not even worth the time to refute... its that LAME... My goodness !!!! But Im not mad i'm just blown away and it's becoming comical to read this sh!t...

    I just think that new people come on this board and form opinions based off the information they read on this site and I am here to tell you that this is complete well written utter garbage... it's a total lack of understanding...See, to know Carroll you have to know how he thinks which is difficult... you have to research him to get an understanding of why he makes the choices he makes... what IS his actual football philosophy where did it come from... to be a great coach you have to be able to work through adversity at an epic level and that's what he is doing right now, working through adversity... when 3/4 of this board starts freaking out at the first sign of diversity... It's not Carroll that needs the adjustment it's the fans who need the adjustment ... educate yourselves before you spew because it's really really lame to read this sh!t LMAO!!!!!

    To all of you new people who are forming opinions.. there are some really knowledgeable people on this board not so much this dude...and I'm NOT trying to come off like I know everything because I assure you I do not...but I am just saying ...take what you read with a grain of salt...


    LTH



    All I read here is another older person who is convinced everyone under the age of 50 is stupid. You know there was a time people thought the world was flat (some people still do). There was a time people thought black people and women shouldn't be allowed to vote or be treated equally (apparently a lot of people still do as shown in 2020...a lot of them older). So lets not pretend being around on this Earth longer suddenly makes you better than everyone else....

    Hell even as someone in my late 30s (yeah I'l be transparent with my age here because I have a lot of accomplishments in my life I'm proud of, learned a lot of life lessons and continue to grow everyday and if one thing has taught me anything it's always learn and get better). I even found myself struggling with the concepts of some of the younger 15-25 year olds but at the same time...why? was it just because I was stuck in my ways? maybe they have more information available to them now, making the world a smaller place, than we ever had at that age. I have been working with computers all my life, but no i that 15-20 year old person could never know a software better than me right? because I know DOS and C++ so they possibly couldn't know more about Python or Javacript than me?

    The world is evolving always (and so is football). If you're not adapting with it, you're dying. There is a reason why every successful business even at the top is always looking to do more change things up, improve their product, because if you just stick with the same thing despite how you built your original philosophy...you will be dethroned and find your way out. The seahawks are a business...a business that wants to be at the top. You tell me how many top businesses keep their exact philosophy year after year and stay on top?

    All you have to rely on is..people don't know how good we have it...Yeah you got to experience to Seahawks be bottom dwellers for along time, that sucks. Being a playoff team IS good. You are $h!t on people who want it better. That's the exact same thing as people who are fighting for BLM right now, and older people saying you don't know how bad it was for minorities in the 50-60s...shut your mouth you have it so good already...they want it better.


    Wow that is so insightful I mean that I'm almost 60 and enjoyed reading this. You are correct about this country is evolving no one is going to stop it I just hope it goes in the right way. Business, If you don't constantly strive to make your product better then eventually you will go broke someone will put the work in on your product and start out selling you.

    When people get comfortable on their Jobs they seem do do less and care more about other things the eye of the tiger is gone. When Pete held up the Lombardi he said we were going to have a lot more of them well we're still waiting.



    I appreciate it. I am eternal optimist and this world/country is definitely evolving. I do think it will be for the better, a lot of big good changes in the world are birthed from tragedy (research automobile and aerospace safety measures and when they were implemented). We'll one day look back at 2020 saying it's when it all turned.
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Re: It is time to move on from Pete.
Wed Dec 09, 2020 1:22 pm
  • ZagHawk wrote:
    LTH wrote:
    ZagHawk wrote:
    LTH wrote:
    As I read this post, I sit here in amazement as to how anybody could misunderstand a person such as Pete Carroll to the magnitude that this posts suggests... I have been a football fan for 45 years and talked football with many many people in my life and I have NEVER read or even heard of the amount of misunderstood garbage as what this post represents... It's not even worth the time to refute... its that LAME... My goodness !!!! But Im not mad i'm just blown away and it's becoming comical to read this sh!t...

    I just think that new people come on this board and form opinions based off the information they read on this site and I am here to tell you that this is complete well written utter garbage... it's a total lack of understanding...See, to know Carroll you have to know how he thinks which is difficult... you have to research him to get an understanding of why he makes the choices he makes... what IS his actual football philosophy where did it come from... to be a great coach you have to be able to work through adversity at an epic level and that's what he is doing right now, working through adversity... when 3/4 of this board starts freaking out at the first sign of diversity... It's not Carroll that needs the adjustment it's the fans who need the adjustment ... educate yourselves before you spew because it's really really lame to read this sh!t LMAO!!!!!

    To all of you new people who are forming opinions.. there are some really knowledgeable people on this board not so much this dude...and I'm NOT trying to come off like I know everything because I assure you I do not...but I am just saying ...take what you read with a grain of salt...


    LTH



    All I read here is another older person who is convinced everyone under the age of 50 is stupid. You know there was a time people thought the world was flat (some people still do). There was a time people thought black people and women shouldn't be allowed to vote or be treated equally (apparently a lot of people still do as shown in 2020...a lot of them older). So lets not pretend being around on this Earth longer suddenly makes you better than everyone else....

    Hell even as someone in my late 30s (yeah I'l be transparent with my age here because I have a lot of accomplishments in my life I'm proud of, learned a lot of life lessons and continue to grow everyday and if one thing has taught me anything it's always learn and get better). I even found myself struggling with the concepts of some of the younger 15-25 year olds but at the same time...why? was it just because I was stuck in my ways? maybe they have more information available to them now, making the world a smaller place, than we ever had at that age. I have been working with computers all my life, but no i that 15-20 year old person could never know a software better than me right? because I know DOS and C++ so they possibly couldn't know more about Python or Javacript than me?

    The world is evolving always (and so is football). If you're not adapting with it, you're dying. There is a reason why every successful business even at the top is always looking to do more change things up, improve their product, because if you just stick with the same thing despite how you built your original philosophy...you will be dethroned and find your way out. The seahawks are a business...a business that wants to be at the top. You tell me how many top businesses keep their exact philosophy year after year and stay on top?

    All you have to rely on is..people don't know how good we have it...Yeah you got to experience to Seahawks be bottom dwellers for along time, that sucks. Being a playoff team IS good. You are $h!t on people who want it better. That's the exact same thing as people who are fighting for BLM right now, and older people saying you don't know how bad it was for minorities in the 50-60s...shut your mouth you have it so good already...they want it better.



    Again another post that is TOTALLY off base... I don't care how old you are... Stupid is as stupid does... doesn't matter how old you are...

    What you guys are doing is chasing off all the good posters with loads of bullsh!t... The one thing I notice is that the guys who know what they are actually talking about and have insightful information to share don't want to contribute because its NOT worth it...I've been on this board for a long time and I'm seeing less and less of the guys who are really insightful..

    Not to say that you shouldn't be allowed to make a post but do some research before you start spewing... you talk about BLM and social issue without even the understanding that Pete Carroll is a leader with his team using his platform to discuss social issues... why is that? Do you have ANY clue why he does what he does? No because your firing from the hip, flapping your lips about sh!t you have no idea what your talking about... Its so ridiculous that I might as well just watch Oprah winfrey reruns and smoke weed all day rather than listen to the crap that is being spewed on this board...

    Go back and research Petre Carroll ... find out where he came from... find out who his mentors are... understand his background... understand his philosophies... read his books then come in and give an assessment of why you think change needs to be made based off of what you know of him and your best guess about why he does what he does... because you and about half this board don't have a clear understanding of what's happening...

    Yeah Im old Ive seen a lot of sh!t in my life ... i'm a vet Ive seen sh!t that I don't even want to talk about... It used to be that the youth respected people who who were their elders but this country has no respect for anything any more and its sad...


    LTH

    . As a minority it can be argued I was raised in multiple cultures that respects our elders way more than a typical white American (this is FACT). But I respect a lot of people I encounter, mainly for how they present themselves and their accomplishments. I definitely lose it the second a person leans on their age as THE REASON to respect them. Someone you respect (older or younger) doesn't need to use "Respect your elders" as reasoning to have your respect. And respectfully...THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE TO THIS COUNTRY...I respect that, but presenting yourself as someone who calls everyone morons who doesn't agree with you...that's one step away from MAGA country "stop drinking the kool aid about the fake virus". I dont need to read PC's books or understand his philosophies to see it's not working. The proof is in the pudding, play off exit after play off exit with an anemic offense after anemic offense with a too little too late exit against good defenses speak for themselves. SOMETHING MUST CHANGE.


    What? Where did this come from? Why is it that you are bring politics to this board? I don't give a rats ass if you respect me or not... I brought up the fact that I have been a football fan for 45 years because in that time I have NEVER read such uninformed bullsh!t...

    this is a football forum... not a political form and admin if you reading this you really need to address it...why are you trying to turn this into a political discussion? Why are you trying to put false political narratives on ME!

    I suppose next you're going to call me a racist because your a minority? Dude you need help...because your a minority DOES NOT give you entitlement to sh!t Skin color has nothing to do with intelligence... your trying to set me up.. how do you know what race I am? no your just trying to cause problems and you should be thrown off this board...


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Re: It is time to move on from Pete.
Wed Dec 09, 2020 2:01 pm
  • Hi everyone,

    First time poster here. I would respectfully agree that it's time to move on from Pete Carroll. The league has evolved quite a bit since the 2012-2015 Legion of Boom Days.

    Especially this season, I've noticed that his stubbornness to make in-game adjustments, questionable play calling and lack of accountability from himself, Russ or any of the coaches has resulted in a consistent and rapid decline of this team. Every year, the Seattle Seahawks have gotten progressively worse. Since Superbowl 49, we have drafted poorly, made some huge trades with little payoff and ultimately, it continues to hurt this team. Not all the blame falls on his shoulders. The game against the Giants had a lot to do with Wilson's poor play as well amongst a lot of . He consistently takes the sack instead of throwing the ball out of bounds amongst other things.

    My main disagreement is with a lot of the posters who claim that fans should be happy with having a winning record. Being one and done in the playoffs is not something to be content with. The goal should be to win the Superbowl not to make it to the playoffs. Merely making it to the playoffs only to exit early makes you no better than a team that didn't make it to the playoffs. The end result is the same thing: You didn't win the Lombardi.

    Carroll's failure to make in-game and coaching adjustments will continue to hurt this team. Not holding his coaches accountable like KNJ will only result in the same outcome of a historically bad defense. If we can't change the head coach, the head coach needs to adapt to the league and not be so stuck in his ways and refuse to acknowledge the consistent weaknesses of the team.
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Re: It is time to move on from Pete.
Wed Dec 09, 2020 2:40 pm
  • BEASTM0DE wrote:Hi everyone,

    First time poster here. I would respectfully agree that it's time to move on from Pete Carroll. The league has evolved quite a bit since the 2012-2015 Legion of Boom Days.

    Especially this season, I've noticed that his stubbornness to make in-game adjustments, questionable play calling and lack of accountability from himself, Russ or any of the coaches has resulted in a consistent and rapid decline of this team. Every year, the Seattle Seahawks have gotten progressively worse. Since Superbowl 49, we have drafted poorly, made some huge trades with little payoff and ultimately, it continues to hurt this team. Not all the blame falls on his shoulders. The game against the Giants had a lot to do with Wilson's poor play as well amongst a lot of . He consistently takes the sack instead of throwing the ball out of bounds amongst other things.

    My main disagreement is with a lot of the posters who claim that fans should be happy with having a winning record. Being one and done in the playoffs is not something to be content with. The goal should be to win the Superbowl not to make it to the playoffs. Merely making it to the playoffs only to exit early makes you no better than a team that didn't make it to the playoffs. The end result is the same thing: You didn't win the Lombardi.

    Carroll's failure to make in-game and coaching adjustments will continue to hurt this team. Not holding his coaches accountable like KNJ will only result in the same outcome of a historically bad defense. If we can't change the head coach, the head coach needs to adapt to the league and not be so stuck in his ways and refuse to acknowledge the consistent weaknesses of the team.



    ok so my questions to you..

    Explain how you think the league has evolved since the legion of boom days... what brings you to that conclusion and what information do you have that backs that up?

    explain why you think Carroll has a lack of accountability from himself and How do you back that up?

    Explain why you think the Hawks have drafted poorly and tell me which GM has drafted better picking from the bottom 10 of the league for the last 11 years?

    Explain what information you have that Carroll does not hold his coaches accountable...what article do you have that backs that up? do you have inside information to back up that claim?



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Re: It is time to move on from Pete.
Wed Dec 09, 2020 11:15 pm
  • LTH wrote:
    BEASTM0DE wrote:Hi everyone,

    First time poster here. I would respectfully agree that it's time to move on from Pete Carroll. The league has evolved quite a bit since the 2012-2015 Legion of Boom Days.

    Especially this season, I've noticed that his stubbornness to make in-game adjustments, questionable play calling and lack of accountability from himself, Russ or any of the coaches has resulted in a consistent and rapid decline of this team. Every year, the Seattle Seahawks have gotten progressively worse. Since Superbowl 49, we have drafted poorly, made some huge trades with little payoff and ultimately, it continues to hurt this team. Not all the blame falls on his shoulders. The game against the Giants had a lot to do with Wilson's poor play as well amongst a lot of . He consistently takes the sack instead of throwing the ball out of bounds amongst other things.

    My main disagreement is with a lot of the posters who claim that fans should be happy with having a winning record. Being one and done in the playoffs is not something to be content with. The goal should be to win the Superbowl not to make it to the playoffs. Merely making it to the playoffs only to exit early makes you no better than a team that didn't make it to the playoffs. The end result is the same thing: You didn't win the Lombardi.

    Carroll's failure to make in-game and coaching adjustments will continue to hurt this team. Not holding his coaches accountable like KNJ will only result in the same outcome of a historically bad defense. If we can't change the head coach, the head coach needs to adapt to the league and not be so stuck in his ways and refuse to acknowledge the consistent weaknesses of the team.



    ok so my questions to you..

    Explain how you think the league has evolved since the legion of boom days... what brings you to that conclusion and what information do you have that backs that up?

    explain why you think Carroll has a lack of accountability from himself and How do you back that up?

    Explain why you think the Hawks have drafted poorly and tell me which GM has drafted better picking from the bottom 10 of the league for the last 11 years?

    Explain what information you have that Carroll does not hold his coaches accountable...what article do you have that backs that up? do you have inside information to back up that claim?



    LTH


    Happily

    - The LOB Seahawks actually sparked the NFL to change its rules on defense to help make offenses more successful. WHY (OMG CONSPIRACY THEORY, but it's true). Because there is too much money in fantasy football, offensive stats, and lets be real...scoring points on offense is entertaining and gets more eyes on TV. Have you noticed that teams are scoring more and more points its not just the "offensive geniuses" of the new coaching like McVay etc.... Its because they made lives harder for the defenses. Every little thing the LOB used to excel at which was literally molesting everyone on the field to borderline "where's my holding or pass interference call?!?" cry by opposing fans...is now actually being called by the officials. The reviewable pass interference which was tried for one year was a step in that direction, but it slowed the game too much. However, it does show the intention of the NFL...they want points on the board...not off of it. The NFL was drooling for Mahomes and the offense to win the SB last year and KILL the motto "defense wins championships". The highest scoring offense in history got destroyed by our Hawks, and since then everything the NFL has done was to cater to offense not defense. So yes...one huge portion of the NFL evolving right there which means you better evolve with it.

    - Petes lack of accountability. Since SB 49 he had the time to admit passing the ball was the wrong call. He was asked about it and he said, the stats said he should do it. Hed make the same call. You think i'm full of it. We all know how much the LOB all felt he took zero accountability for that and from that moment forward the Seahawks and the LOB stopped playing for each other and started playing for their paychecks. There's been enough reports out there of leaks from the locker room they all felt he took zero accountability for how that went. Also everytime they lose in similar fashion hell even this last game "oh the chunk plays werent there". That's not accountability...that's just saying your crap didnt work out like u planned. You made no adjustments after realizing the 3rd 4th, 5th and 6th time ur deep pass hail mary bombs dont work against good defenses ready for how the Hawks come from behind. He has so much faith that things wil work which can be great, has been grreat, but when they dont he just says oh they werent' there...theres no accountability of yes..i should have realized it wasnt working and switched game plans mid way through..option B, or C...its option A or bust.

    - I havent mentioned drafts, but okay lets go there. The hawks hit FIRE in 2010-2012 drafting. Since then...who have they got of worthy mention in the last 6 years, i wont count last year because ill give it a year. Tyler Lockett and DK Metcalf. Maybe Carson but lets also face it...for as amazing as he is ON the field...he sure as hell isn;t doing anything when hes injured as well. injuries cant be predicted BUT you are a result of your drafting and how many O line busts have we had, Mcdowell? etc. Trading the first round draft picks for high paid people who didnt work in this system or were injured a lot (Harvin and Graham). Outside of the Duane Brown trade, DK Metcalf and tyler lockett...that's 3 players in 6 years of drafting...maybe Carson (if he stayed on the field for at least 3/4s of a season)...Hawks have been drafting/trading below average for the last 6 years. A decent team will find ONE probowl calber player every other draft...DRAFT not trade. because trade u gave up ur cheap rookies at probowl potential for a veteran player at veteran pay for a pro bowl name...and once someone gets injured you lack depth and here we are again crying about injuries for losses. There were injuries in the LOB years no one made those excuses because they had depth because no one was high paid.

    - Got you here. How long was Cable and Bevell still coaching before they finally got fired and everyone and their grand mother could see they couldn't coach/help draft an O-line worth a damn nor make the offense work. The LOB and Marshawn Lynch won those games, not Bevell but oh he was OC during those years he mus tbe the reason for their success...why change anything. KNJ the DC right now up until really last game (defense showed up, offense did not) has looked like hot garbage and pretty much all of last year. They had a come to jesus moment when they had 2 losses in a row where they got everyone in a room to talk about their roles and expectations. Jesus Christ week 10 is when they did that? not week 3? when they were already establishing themselves as THE WORST PASSING DEFENSE IN THE HISTORY OF THE NFL!!!! already coming off a weak as defensive showing all of last season...

    What have you got? other than just saying you dont know the inside info, you don't know their philosophies...once again i dont need to know their philosophies to see it's not working. The proof is in the pudding. Do I need to know how an engine works to know the car has an issue because one of the wheels is wobbling yet the driver wont get out and do something about it? At this point A LARGE majority of Seahawks fans are seeing the same thing I'm seeing and we're frustrated because "in pete we trust" for the last few years we saw the expected decline of a SB contender, then suddenly rather than a rise its a flat line of same old same old (9-11 win season with 1st or second round exit in the playoffs). Show me? in the last 6 years...have the hawks out performed that outcome? have they ACTUALLY shown anything that says they will this year or the next? what in the coaching and gameplans and drafting have you seen that says they will get over that 9-11 win, 1st/2nd round playoff exit level?

    If they make it to the NFCCG this year, ill eat crow. When do you eat yours?
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Re: It is time to move on from Pete.
Wed Dec 09, 2020 11:19 pm
  • TwistedHusky wrote:I think Pete is a dinosaur that will continue to slowly lose effectiveness over time. He already has.

    Still likely better than the alternative.

    That said, Alabama is the example you could take instead. Alabama was not just OK with winning. It wanted to be one of the better teams in CFB. They jettisoned a number of coaches that were not doing terrible, just not doing incredible. And for a while, it looked like all the cycling coaches had almost turned them irrelevant. It seemed counter productive, because not only were they not winning - they were losing relevance.

    Then they got Saban and now they have been dominant for years.

    So if you are willing to throw away winning repeatedly, and OK with the turmoil and losing between - it sometimes can work out for you.

    The odds are not great though. Every program is looking for a great coach.

    Guys like John DeFillippo were supposed to be sure things at one time. Is Eric B the next John D?

    If consistent winning is the important factor, you have to continue to ride with Pete. If doing anything in the playoffs is? Then Pete will bring you nothing and you have to move on from him. But if you do, chances are you will lose a lot more before you start winning again.

    I would love for someone who is versed in probabilities to give us a breakdown of what the odds are for each possible scenario if you fired a winning coach such as Pete. I'm not sure how you would break down the potential categories, but something like this for the next 20 seasons if you fired Pete tomorrow:

    Winning record, SB - ?% (playoffs most years assumed with winning record)

    Winning record, no SB - ?% (playoffs most years assumed with winning record)

    Losing record, Some playoffs - ?%

    Losing record, no playoffs - ?%
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Re: It is time to move on from Pete.
Wed Dec 09, 2020 11:20 pm
  • LTH wrote:
    ZagHawk wrote:
    LTH wrote:
    ZagHawk wrote:

    All I read here is another older person who is convinced everyone under the age of 50 is stupid. You know there was a time people thought the world was flat (some people still do). There was a time people thought black people and women shouldn't be allowed to vote or be treated equally (apparently a lot of people still do as shown in 2020...a lot of them older). So lets not pretend being around on this Earth longer suddenly makes you better than everyone else....

    Hell even as someone in my late 30s (yeah I'l be transparent with my age here because I have a lot of accomplishments in my life I'm proud of, learned a lot of life lessons and continue to grow everyday and if one thing has taught me anything it's always learn and get better). I even found myself struggling with the concepts of some of the younger 15-25 year olds but at the same time...why? was it just because I was stuck in my ways? maybe they have more information available to them now, making the world a smaller place, than we ever had at that age. I have been working with computers all my life, but no i that 15-20 year old person could never know a software better than me right? because I know DOS and C++ so they possibly couldn't know more about Python or Javacript than me?

    The world is evolving always (and so is football). If you're not adapting with it, you're dying. There is a reason why every successful business even at the top is always looking to do more change things up, improve their product, because if you just stick with the same thing despite how you built your original philosophy...you will be dethroned and find your way out. The seahawks are a business...a business that wants to be at the top. You tell me how many top businesses keep their exact philosophy year after year and stay on top?

    All you have to rely on is..people don't know how good we have it...Yeah you got to experience to Seahawks be bottom dwellers for along time, that sucks. Being a playoff team IS good. You are $h!t on people who want it better. That's the exact same thing as people who are fighting for BLM right now, and older people saying you don't know how bad it was for minorities in the 50-60s...shut your mouth you have it so good already...they want it better.



    Again another post that is TOTALLY off base... I don't care how old you are... Stupid is as stupid does... doesn't matter how old you are...

    What you guys are doing is chasing off all the good posters with loads of bullsh!t... The one thing I notice is that the guys who know what they are actually talking about and have insightful information to share don't want to contribute because its NOT worth it...I've been on this board for a long time and I'm seeing less and less of the guys who are really insightful..

    Not to say that you shouldn't be allowed to make a post but do some research before you start spewing... you talk about BLM and social issue without even the understanding that Pete Carroll is a leader with his team using his platform to discuss social issues... why is that? Do you have ANY clue why he does what he does? No because your firing from the hip, flapping your lips about sh!t you have no idea what your talking about... Its so ridiculous that I might as well just watch Oprah winfrey reruns and smoke weed all day rather than listen to the crap that is being spewed on this board...

    Go back and research Petre Carroll ... find out where he came from... find out who his mentors are... understand his background... understand his philosophies... read his books then come in and give an assessment of why you think change needs to be made based off of what you know of him and your best guess about why he does what he does... because you and about half this board don't have a clear understanding of what's happening...

    Yeah Im old Ive seen a lot of sh!t in my life ... i'm a vet Ive seen sh!t that I don't even want to talk about... It used to be that the youth respected people who who were their elders but this country has no respect for anything any more and its sad...


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    . As a minority it can be argued I was raised in multiple cultures that respects our elders way more than a typical white American (this is FACT). But I respect a lot of people I encounter, mainly for how they present themselves and their accomplishments. I definitely lose it the second a person leans on their age as THE REASON to respect them. Someone you respect (older or younger) doesn't need to use "Respect your elders" as reasoning to have your respect. And respectfully...THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE TO THIS COUNTRY...I respect that, but presenting yourself as someone who calls everyone morons who doesn't agree with you...that's one step away from MAGA country "stop drinking the kool aid about the fake virus". I dont need to read PC's books or understand his philosophies to see it's not working. The proof is in the pudding, play off exit after play off exit with an anemic offense after anemic offense with a too little too late exit against good defenses speak for themselves. SOMETHING MUST CHANGE.


    What? Where did this come from? Why is it that you are bring politics to this board? I don't give a rats ass if you respect me or not... I brought up the fact that I have been a football fan for 45 years because in that time I have NEVER read such uninformed bullsh!t...

    this is a football forum... not a political form and admin if you reading this you really need to address it...why are you trying to turn this into a political discussion? Why are you trying to put false political narratives on ME!

    I suppose next you're going to call me a racist because your a minority? Dude you need help...because your a minority DOES NOT give you entitlement to sh!t Skin color has nothing to do with intelligence... your trying to set me up.. how do you know what race I am? no your just trying to cause problems and you should be thrown off this board...


    LTH



    You know why no one is really backing you up here...because you're the uninformed one who isn't using any actual stats to get behind your accusations. Call me out for political non sense, I hate politics, but you calling everyone else morons and uninformed and etc...is not much better sounds like user bashing to me. Which is usually the number 1 rule for most forums.. No one is saying Pete is a bad coach, they are saying he can't get to the next level anymore and thus...what do you have that says he will?
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Re: It is time to move on from Pete.
Wed Dec 09, 2020 11:44 pm
  • ZagHawk wrote:
    LTH wrote:
    BEASTM0DE wrote:Hi everyone,

    First time poster here. I would respectfully agree that it's time to move on from Pete Carroll. The league has evolved quite a bit since the 2012-2015 Legion of Boom Days.

    Especially this season, I've noticed that his stubbornness to make in-game adjustments, questionable play calling and lack of accountability from himself, Russ or any of the coaches has resulted in a consistent and rapid decline of this team. Every year, the Seattle Seahawks have gotten progressively worse. Since Superbowl 49, we have drafted poorly, made some huge trades with little payoff and ultimately, it continues to hurt this team. Not all the blame falls on his shoulders. The game against the Giants had a lot to do with Wilson's poor play as well amongst a lot of . He consistently takes the sack instead of throwing the ball out of bounds amongst other things.

    My main disagreement is with a lot of the posters who claim that fans should be happy with having a winning record. Being one and done in the playoffs is not something to be content with. The goal should be to win the Superbowl not to make it to the playoffs. Merely making it to the playoffs only to exit early makes you no better than a team that didn't make it to the playoffs. The end result is the same thing: You didn't win the Lombardi.

    Carroll's failure to make in-game and coaching adjustments will continue to hurt this team. Not holding his coaches accountable like KNJ will only result in the same outcome of a historically bad defense. If we can't change the head coach, the head coach needs to adapt to the league and not be so stuck in his ways and refuse to acknowledge the consistent weaknesses of the team.



    ok so my questions to you..

    Explain how you think the league has evolved since the legion of boom days... what brings you to that conclusion and what information do you have that backs that up?

    explain why you think Carroll has a lack of accountability from himself and How do you back that up?

    Explain why you think the Hawks have drafted poorly and tell me which GM has drafted better picking from the bottom 10 of the league for the last 11 years?

    Explain what information you have that Carroll does not hold his coaches accountable...what article do you have that backs that up? do you have inside information to back up that claim?



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    - The LOB Seahawks actually sparked the NFL to change its rules on defense to help make offenses more successful. WHY (OMG CONSPIRACY THEORY, but it's true). Because there is too much money in fantasy football, offensive stats, and lets be real...scoring points on offense is entertaining and gets more eyes on TV. Have you noticed that teams are scoring more and more points its not just the "offensive geniuses" of the new coaching like McVay etc.... Its because they made lives harder for the defenses. Every little thing the LOB used to excel at which was literally molesting everyone on the field to borderline "where's my holding or pass interference call?!?" cry by opposing fans...is now actually being called by the officials. The reviewable pass interference which was tried for one year was a step in that direction, but it slowed the game too much. However, it does show the intention of the NFL...they want points on the board...not off of it. The NFL was drooling for Mahomes and the offense to win the SB last year and KILL the motto "defense wins championships". The highest scoring offense in history got destroyed by our Hawks, and since then everything the NFL has done was to cater to offense not defense. So yes...one huge portion of the NFL evolving right there which means you better evolve with it.

    - Petes lack of accountability. Since SB 49 he had the time to admit passing the ball was the wrong call. He was asked about it and he said, the stats said he should do it. Hed make the same call. You think i'm full of it. We all know how much the LOB all felt he took zero accountability for that and from that moment forward the Seahawks and the LOB stopped playing for each other and started playing for their paychecks. There's been enough reports out there of leaks from the locker room they all felt he took zero accountability for how that went. Also everytime they lose in similar fashion hell even this last game "oh the chunk plays werent there". That's not accountability...that's just saying your crap didnt work out like u planned. You made no adjustments after realizing the 3rd 4th, 5th and 6th time ur deep pass hail mary bombs dont work against good defenses ready for how the Hawks come from behind. He has so much faith that things wil work which can be great, has been grreat, but when they dont he just says oh they werent' there...theres no accountability of yes..i should have realized it wasnt working and switched game plans mid way through..option B, or C...its option A or bust.

    - I havent mentioned drafts, but okay lets go there. The hawks hit FIRE in 2010-2012 drafting. Since then...who have they got of worthy mention in the last 6 years, i wont count last year because ill give it a year. Tyler Lockett and DK Metcalf. Maybe Carson but lets also face it...for as amazing as he is ON the field...he sure as hell isn;t doing anything when hes injured as well. injuries cant be predicted BUT you are a result of your drafting and how many O line busts have we had, Mcdowell? etc. Trading the first round draft picks for high paid people who didnt work in this system or were injured a lot (Harvin and Graham). Outside of the Duane Brown trade, DK Metcalf and tyler lockett...that's 3 players in 6 years of drafting...maybe Carson (if he stayed on the field for at least 3/4s of a season)...Hawks have been drafting/trading below average for the last 6 years. A decent team will find ONE probowl calber player every other draft...DRAFT not trade. because trade u gave up ur cheap rookies at probowl potential for a veteran player at veteran pay for a pro bowl name...and once someone gets injured you lack depth and here we are again crying about injuries for losses. There were injuries in the LOB years no one made those excuses because they had depth because no one was high paid.

    - Got you here. How long was Cable and Bevell still coaching before they finally got fired and everyone and their grand mother could see they couldn't coach/help draft an O-line worth a damn nor make the offense work. The LOB and Marshawn Lynch won those games, not Bevell but oh he was OC during those years he mus tbe the reason for their success...why change anything. KNJ the DC right now up until really last game (defense showed up, offense did not) has looked like hot garbage and pretty much all of last year. They had a come to jesus moment when they had 2 losses in a row where they got everyone in a room to talk about their roles and expectations. Jesus Christ week 10 is when they did that? not week 3? when they were already establishing themselves as THE WORST PASSING DEFENSE IN THE HISTORY OF THE NFL!!!! already coming off a weak as defensive showing all of last season...

    What have you got? other than just saying you dont know the inside info, you don't know their philosophies...once again i dont need to know their philosophies to see it's not working. The proof is in the pudding. Do I need to know how an engine works to know the car has an issue because one of the wheels is wobbling yet the driver wont get out and do something about it? At this point A LARGE majority of Seahawks fans are seeing the same thing I'm seeing and we're frustrated because "in pete we trust" for the last few years we saw the expected decline of a SB contender, then suddenly rather than a rise its a flat line of same old same old (9-11 win season with 1st or second round exit in the playoffs). Show me? in the last 6 years...have the hawks out performed that outcome? have they ACTUALLY shown anything that says they will this year or the next? what in the coaching and gameplans and drafting have you seen that says they will get over that 9-11 win, 1st/2nd round playoff exit level?

    If they make it to the NFCCG this year, ill eat crow. When do you eat yours?

    Those changes you speak of the NFL making to help offenses started when the LOB was still in grade school. The LOB got flagged more for being handsy, but nothing they did changed the way the league's rules were. The concussion disaster directly lead to all of the crap rules taking away the defenses ability to tackle a receiver. The only reason Bam Bam could do what he did was because the league was still adding and adding to those defenseless player rules every offseason. He was just lucky enough to come along before the rules evolved to where they are now.

    I think people also forget that PeteBall and Pete was a dinosaur compared to the NFL he returned to. The league was already a passing league. The rules already favored, HEAVILY, QBs and receivers. Go back and look. His run first, tough Defense wasn't thought well of when he started with Seattle. I don't think you'll find many pundits predicting his success back at the beginning. Even when LOB became the LOB, nobody thought style had a snowball's chance in hell to beat the vaunted Bronco's #1 offense that threw the ball all over the place.

    So to me, Pete has always been a dinosaur. Using that now as an a reason to fire him holds no water. The one thing that everyone misses in these "how the league has changed" discussions is that one thing has never changed. No matter how good your offense is, you won't win the SB without your defense playing at a top level in the playoffs. Even the Chiefs with Mahomes couldn't get over that hump until their D started playing to level at the end of last year. For me it's all about the D. If Seattle's defense can get to top 10, the offense just has to competent.
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Re: It is time to move on from Pete.
Thu Dec 10, 2020 12:12 am
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Re: It is time to move on from Pete.
Thu Dec 10, 2020 12:21 am
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    ZagHawk wrote:
    LTH wrote:
    BEASTM0DE wrote:Hi everyone,

    First time poster here. I would respectfully agree that it's time to move on from Pete Carroll. The league has evolved quite a bit since the 2012-2015 Legion of Boom Days.

    Especially this season, I've noticed that his stubbornness to make in-game adjustments, questionable play calling and lack of accountability from himself, Russ or any of the coaches has resulted in a consistent and rapid decline of this team. Every year, the Seattle Seahawks have gotten progressively worse. Since Superbowl 49, we have drafted poorly, made some huge trades with little payoff and ultimately, it continues to hurt this team. Not all the blame falls on his shoulders. The game against the Giants had a lot to do with Wilson's poor play as well amongst a lot of . He consistently takes the sack instead of throwing the ball out of bounds amongst other things.

    My main disagreement is with a lot of the posters who claim that fans should be happy with having a winning record. Being one and done in the playoffs is not something to be content with. The goal should be to win the Superbowl not to make it to the playoffs. Merely making it to the playoffs only to exit early makes you no better than a team that didn't make it to the playoffs. The end result is the same thing: You didn't win the Lombardi.

    Carroll's failure to make in-game and coaching adjustments will continue to hurt this team. Not holding his coaches accountable like KNJ will only result in the same outcome of a historically bad defense. If we can't change the head coach, the head coach needs to adapt to the league and not be so stuck in his ways and refuse to acknowledge the consistent weaknesses of the team.



    ok so my questions to you..

    Explain how you think the league has evolved since the legion of boom days... what brings you to that conclusion and what information do you have that backs that up?

    explain why you think Carroll has a lack of accountability from himself and How do you back that up?

    Explain why you think the Hawks have drafted poorly and tell me which GM has drafted better picking from the bottom 10 of the league for the last 11 years?

    Explain what information you have that Carroll does not hold his coaches accountable...what article do you have that backs that up? do you have inside information to back up that claim?



    LTH


    Happily

    - The LOB Seahawks actually sparked the NFL to change its rules on defense to help make offenses more successful. WHY (OMG CONSPIRACY THEORY, but it's true). Because there is too much money in fantasy football, offensive stats, and lets be real...scoring points on offense is entertaining and gets more eyes on TV. Have you noticed that teams are scoring more and more points its not just the "offensive geniuses" of the new coaching like McVay etc.... Its because they made lives harder for the defenses. Every little thing the LOB used to excel at which was literally molesting everyone on the field to borderline "where's my holding or pass interference call?!?" cry by opposing fans...is now actually being called by the officials. The reviewable pass interference which was tried for one year was a step in that direction, but it slowed the game too much. However, it does show the intention of the NFL...they want points on the board...not off of it. The NFL was drooling for Mahomes and the offense to win the SB last year and KILL the motto "defense wins championships". The highest scoring offense in history got destroyed by our Hawks, and since then everything the NFL has done was to cater to offense not defense. So yes...one huge portion of the NFL evolving right there which means you better evolve with it.

    - Petes lack of accountability. Since SB 49 he had the time to admit passing the ball was the wrong call. He was asked about it and he said, the stats said he should do it. Hed make the same call. You think i'm full of it. We all know how much the LOB all felt he took zero accountability for that and from that moment forward the Seahawks and the LOB stopped playing for each other and started playing for their paychecks. There's been enough reports out there of leaks from the locker room they all felt he took zero accountability for how that went. Also everytime they lose in similar fashion hell even this last game "oh the chunk plays werent there". That's not accountability...that's just saying your crap didnt work out like u planned. You made no adjustments after realizing the 3rd 4th, 5th and 6th time ur deep pass hail mary bombs dont work against good defenses ready for how the Hawks come from behind. He has so much faith that things wil work which can be great, has been grreat, but when they dont he just says oh they werent' there...theres no accountability of yes..i should have realized it wasnt working and switched game plans mid way through..option B, or C...its option A or bust.

    - I havent mentioned drafts, but okay lets go there. The hawks hit FIRE in 2010-2012 drafting. Since then...who have they got of worthy mention in the last 6 years, i wont count last year because ill give it a year. Tyler Lockett and DK Metcalf. Maybe Carson but lets also face it...for as amazing as he is ON the field...he sure as hell isn;t doing anything when hes injured as well. injuries cant be predicted BUT you are a result of your drafting and how many O line busts have we had, Mcdowell? etc. Trading the first round draft picks for high paid people who didnt work in this system or were injured a lot (Harvin and Graham). Outside of the Duane Brown trade, DK Metcalf and tyler lockett...that's 3 players in 6 years of drafting...maybe Carson (if he stayed on the field for at least 3/4s of a season)...Hawks have been drafting/trading below average for the last 6 years. A decent team will find ONE probowl calber player every other draft...DRAFT not trade. because trade u gave up ur cheap rookies at probowl potential for a veteran player at veteran pay for a pro bowl name...and once someone gets injured you lack depth and here we are again crying about injuries for losses. There were injuries in the LOB years no one made those excuses because they had depth because no one was high paid.

    - Got you here. How long was Cable and Bevell still coaching before they finally got fired and everyone and their grand mother could see they couldn't coach/help draft an O-line worth a damn nor make the offense work. The LOB and Marshawn Lynch won those games, not Bevell but oh he was OC during those years he mus tbe the reason for their success...why change anything. KNJ the DC right now up until really last game (defense showed up, offense did not) has looked like hot garbage and pretty much all of last year. They had a come to jesus moment when they had 2 losses in a row where they got everyone in a room to talk about their roles and expectations. Jesus Christ week 10 is when they did that? not week 3? when they were already establishing themselves as THE WORST PASSING DEFENSE IN THE HISTORY OF THE NFL!!!! already coming off a weak as defensive showing all of last season...

    What have you got? other than just saying you dont know the inside info, you don't know their philosophies...once again i dont need to know their philosophies to see it's not working. The proof is in the pudding. Do I need to know how an engine works to know the car has an issue because one of the wheels is wobbling yet the driver wont get out and do something about it? At this point A LARGE majority of Seahawks fans are seeing the same thing I'm seeing and we're frustrated because "in pete we trust" for the last few years we saw the expected decline of a SB contender, then suddenly rather than a rise its a flat line of same old same old (9-11 win season with 1st or second round exit in the playoffs). Show me? in the last 6 years...have the hawks out performed that outcome? have they ACTUALLY shown anything that says they will this year or the next? what in the coaching and gameplans and drafting have you seen that says they will get over that 9-11 win, 1st/2nd round playoff exit level?

    If they make it to the NFCCG this year, ill eat crow. When do you eat yours?

    Those changes you speak of the NFL making to help offenses started when the LOB was still in grade school. The LOB got flagged more for being handsy, but nothing they did changed the way the league's rules were. The concussion disaster directly lead to all of the crap rules taking away the defenses ability to tackle a receiver. The only reason Bam Bam could do what he did was because the league was still adding and adding to those defenseless player rules every offseason. He was just lucky enough to come along before the rules evolved to where they are now.

    I think people also forget that PeteBall and Pete was a dinosaur compared to the NFL he returned to. The league was already a passing league. The rules already favored, HEAVILY, QBs and receivers. Go back and look. His run first, tough Defense wasn't thought well of when he started with Seattle. I don't think you'll find many pundits predicting his success back at the beginning. Even when LOB became the LOB, nobody thought style had a snowball's chance in hell to beat the vaunted Bronco's #1 offense that threw the ball all over the place.

    So to me, Pete has always been a dinosaur. Using that now as an a reason to fire him holds no water. The one thing that everyone misses in these "how the league has changed" discussions is that one thing has never changed. No matter how good your offense is, you won't win the SB without your defense playing at a top level in the playoffs. Even the Chiefs with Mahomes couldn't get over that hump until their D started playing to level at the end of last year. For me it's all about the D. If Seattle's defense can get to top 10, the offense just has to competent.


    Nice post!!!
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