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The new playoff format...
Mon Dec 28, 2020 1:03 pm
  • It sucks, I really hate it. Giving only one team a bye makes the 1st seed so much more important and leads to things coming down to the semantics of tiebreakers. There was more wiggle room to avoid that with two byes and things wouldn't be so unbalanced. The Saints, Seahawks, and Packers may very well all finish 12-4. Is it really fair for one team to get such a giant advantage because of tiebreakers?

    It also takes a little bit away from how scared the playoffs are in the NFL. Making them was a difficult and big accomplishment. I just hate changes like this all for $$$ and yes it may hurt the Seahawks this year. Although I was thoroughly against it before a down of this season had ever been played. I hate the extra regular season game next year as well. I mean I'm happy to watch another game of football, but it just messes with things such as statistical records and adds to injuries. All this is for $$$ by the league. Might as well just increase the season to 32 games so we can have Football for half the year, LOL!

    $$$
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Re: The new playoff format...
Mon Dec 28, 2020 4:11 pm
  • No question, whoever gets the #1 seed is going to have a HUGE advantage over the other playoff teams. I don't like the new format either, but every team knew this going into the season. I'm elated that we're NFC West champions which is a hell of an accomplishment given all the difficulties this year, and I think we're peaking at the right time, at least defensively. But if the Hawks had gotten it done against the Giants, they would be in a great position for that #1 seed and I don't think anyone here would be complaining about the new format then. :D

    I wasn't aware of the extra regular season game next year. Does that mean there will only be 3 preseason games? (Assuming there will be a preseason next year).
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Re: The new playoff format...
Mon Dec 28, 2020 4:21 pm
  • TraderGary wrote:No question, whoever gets the #1 seed is going to have a HUGE advantage over the other playoff teams. I don't like the new format either, but every team knew this going into the season. I'm elated that we're NFC West champions which is a hell of an accomplishment given all the difficulties this year, and I think we're peaking at the right time, at least defensively. But if the Hawks had gotten it done against the Giants, they would be in a great position for that #1 seed and I don't think anyone here would be complaining about the new format then. :D

    I wasn't aware of the extra regular season game next year. Does that mean there will only be 3 preseason games? (Assuming there will be a preseason next year).

    Yes, they are cutting a preseason game and giving everyone a big pay bump, more than that of just one game. It was the only way they could get the players to agree. Like I said, I was against the change from the very start of the year, well before we were fighting for the 1 seed.

    Yes the Giants and 1st Cards games are biting us in the ass now, but I think things evened out considering we very easily could have lost to the Pats and Vikings.
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Re: The new playoff format...
Mon Dec 28, 2020 4:27 pm
  • Welshers wrote:
    TraderGary wrote:No question, whoever gets the #1 seed is going to have a HUGE advantage over the other playoff teams. I don't like the new format either, but every team knew this going into the season. I'm elated that we're NFC West champions which is a hell of an accomplishment given all the difficulties this year, and I think we're peaking at the right time, at least defensively. But if the Hawks had gotten it done against the Giants, they would be in a great position for that #1 seed and I don't think anyone here would be complaining about the new format then. :D

    I wasn't aware of the extra regular season game next year. Does that mean there will only be 3 preseason games? (Assuming there will be a preseason next year).

    Yes, they are cutting a preseason game and giving everyone a big pay bump, more than that of just one game. It was the only way they could get the players to agree. Like I said, I was against the change from the very start of the year, well before we were fighting for the 1 seed.

    Yes the Giants and 1st Cards games are biting us in the ass now, but I think things evened out considering we very easily could have lost to the Pats and Vikings.

    Thanks for the info on the extra game, and yes that's a fair point regarding the Pats and Vikings games.
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Re: The new playoff format...
Mon Dec 28, 2020 5:34 pm
  • Welshers wrote:It sucks, I really hate it. Giving only one team a bye makes the 1st seed so much more important and leads to things coming down to the semantics of tiebreakers. There was more wiggle room to avoid that with two byes and things wouldn't be so unbalanced. The Saints, Seahawks, and Packers may very well all finish 12-4. Is it really fair for one team to get such a giant advantage because of tiebreakers?

    It also takes a little bit away from how scared the playoffs are in the NFL. Making them was a difficult and big accomplishment. I just hate changes like this all for $$$ and yes it may hurt the Seahawks this year. Although I was thoroughly against it before a down of this season had ever been played. I hate the extra regular season game next year as well. I mean I'm happy to watch another game of football, but it just messes with things such as statistical records and adds to injuries. All this is for $$$ by the league. Might as well just increase the season to 32 games so we can have Football for half the year, LOL!

    $$$

    I'm not sure where I stand on the playoff format, until I actually see how it goes this season. As for the extra game, I totally agree. It doesn't just affect the records (which I think is huge, and that's really unfair to players of the past), but it also affects many unwritten things, like how we regard certain milestones such as a 1000 yard receiver or a 1000 yard runner. This extra game will make a big difference in how many players reach these milestones, and the record books will be re-written needlessly. The only advantage here isfor the pocket-books of the NFL. Money is more important than history, I guess...
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Re: The new playoff format...
Mon Dec 28, 2020 6:14 pm
  • TypeSly wrote:
    Welshers wrote:It sucks, I really hate it. Giving only one team a bye makes the 1st seed so much more important and leads to things coming down to the semantics of tiebreakers. There was more wiggle room to avoid that with two byes and things wouldn't be so unbalanced. The Saints, Seahawks, and Packers may very well all finish 12-4. Is it really fair for one team to get such a giant advantage because of tiebreakers?

    It also takes a little bit away from how scared the playoffs are in the NFL. Making them was a difficult and big accomplishment. I just hate changes like this all for $$$ and yes it may hurt the Seahawks this year. Although I was thoroughly against it before a down of this season had ever been played. I hate the extra regular season game next year as well. I mean I'm happy to watch another game of football, but it just messes with things such as statistical records and adds to injuries. All this is for $$$ by the league. Might as well just increase the season to 32 games so we can have Football for half the year, LOL!

    $$$

    I'm not sure where I stand on the playoff format, until I actually see how it goes this season. As for the extra game, I totally agree. It doesn't just affect the records (which I think is huge, and that's really unfair to players of the past), but it also affects many unwritten things, like how we regard certain milestones such as a 1000 yard receiver or a 1000 yard runner. This extra game will make a big difference in how many players reach these milestones, and the record books will be re-written needlessly. The only advantage here isfor the pocket-books of the NFL. Money is more important than history, I guess...

    Yep. I completely agree on the milestones. It sucks.
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Re: The new playoff format...
Mon Dec 28, 2020 7:13 pm
  • Welshers wrote:
    TypeSly wrote:
    Welshers wrote:It sucks, I really hate it. Giving only one team a bye makes the 1st seed so much more important and leads to things coming down to the semantics of tiebreakers. There was more wiggle room to avoid that with two byes and things wouldn't be so unbalanced. The Saints, Seahawks, and Packers may very well all finish 12-4. Is it really fair for one team to get such a giant advantage because of tiebreakers?

    It also takes a little bit away from how scared the playoffs are in the NFL. Making them was a difficult and big accomplishment. I just hate changes like this all for $$$ and yes it may hurt the Seahawks this year. Although I was thoroughly against it before a down of this season had ever been played. I hate the extra regular season game next year as well. I mean I'm happy to watch another game of football, but it just messes with things such as statistical records and adds to injuries. All this is for $$$ by the league. Might as well just increase the season to 32 games so we can have Football for half the year, LOL!

    $$$

    I'm not sure where I stand on the playoff format, until I actually see how it goes this season. As for the extra game, I totally agree. It doesn't just affect the records (which I think is huge, and that's really unfair to players of the past), but it also affects many unwritten things, like how we regard certain milestones such as a 1000 yard receiver or a 1000 yard runner. This extra game will make a big difference in how many players reach these milestones, and the record books will be re-written needlessly. The only advantage here isfor the pocket-books of the NFL. Money is more important than history, I guess...

    Yep. I completely agree on the milestones. It sucks.

    :ditto:
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Re: The new playoff format...
Mon Dec 28, 2020 8:22 pm
  • Not sure about the record books thingy.
    First 2 seasons of Hawks existence were 14 game seasons. :les:
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Re: The new playoff format...
Mon Dec 28, 2020 8:22 pm
  • Somewhere in a backroom meeting:
    "Then we'll just have to make double sure the Packers are the 1 seed, won't we...Muuuuhahahaha"

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Re: The new playoff format...
Mon Dec 28, 2020 9:27 pm
  • Sports Hernia wrote:Not sure about the record books thingy.
    First 2 seasons of Hawks existence were 14 game seasons. :les:


    Then people were having this conversation just before their 3rd season :mrgreen:
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Re: The new playoff format...
Mon Dec 28, 2020 10:41 pm
  • TypeSly wrote:
    Sports Hernia wrote:Not sure about the record books thingy.
    First 2 seasons of Hawks existence were 14 game seasons. :les:


    Then people were having this conversation just before their 3rd season :mrgreen:


    I remember lots of pissing and moaning from the sports media about this issue when the change was made.
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Re: The new playoff format...
Tue Dec 29, 2020 1:55 am
  • renofox wrote:
    TypeSly wrote:
    Sports Hernia wrote:Not sure about the record books thingy.
    First 2 seasons of Hawks existence were 14 game seasons. :les:


    Then people were having this conversation just before their 3rd season :mrgreen:


    I remember lots of pissing and moaning from the sports media about this issue when the change was made.

    It seems like no one is even talking about it now. We are just so used to constant change in American sports. But if it ain't broke, why fix it? The NFL is already the highest grossing sports league in the history of the world. I don't see anything good coming from messing with the formula. Clearly they will make a lot more cash I suppose.
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Re: The new playoff format...
Tue Dec 29, 2020 9:31 am
  • Actually at least for this year the change is nearly invisible. If we had the old system, the playoff picture for both the AFC and NFC would be almost identical. In the case of the NFC, Chicago, Arizona, and the Rams would still be chasing for the last playoff spot only it would be one rather than two. Likewise in the AFC, you would have the same four teams chasing for two wildcard spots rather than three.
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Re: The new playoff format...
Tue Dec 29, 2020 9:41 am
  • One of the things I don't like about the expanded playoffs is that by eliminating one of the first round byes, that it makes for more irrelevant games in Week 17. The first round bye is a valuable commodity, much more valuable than a simple shuffling of the lower seeds. Teams would have a lot more motivation to play all out vs. mailing it in and resting players.
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Re: The new playoff format...
Tue Dec 29, 2020 12:22 pm
  • I'm not overly OCD, but I loved the symmetry of the 16 game schedule and the W/L records it produced. It worked perfectly with the 32 team league divided into two conferences, four divisions per conference, and four teams per division. Next thing you know, they'll expand to 33 teams and really mess everything up, forcing someone to be on a bye every week (like back around 2000/01).

    They're doing their best to break a good thing.
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Re: The new playoff format...
Tue Dec 29, 2020 12:35 pm
  • Polaris wrote:Actually at least for this year the change is nearly invisible. If we had the old system, the playoff picture for both the AFC and NFC would be almost identical. In the case of the NFC, Chicago, Arizona, and the Rams would still be chasing for the last playoff spot only it would be one rather than two. Likewise in the AFC, you would have the same four teams chasing for two wildcard spots rather than three.

    I don't think you can call the change nearly invisible. It means the #2 seed doesn't get a first round bye and isn't even guaranteed to be in the divisional round. It's conceivable the #2 could get upset by #7 and suddenly you have a team that would never be in the playoffs in previous years as one of the final 8 teams in the NFL. The lack of a bye is huge
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Re: The new playoff format...
Tue Dec 29, 2020 12:57 pm
  • Welshers wrote:
    Polaris wrote:Actually at least for this year the change is nearly invisible. If we had the old system, the playoff picture for both the AFC and NFC would be almost identical. In the case of the NFC, Chicago, Arizona, and the Rams would still be chasing for the last playoff spot only it would be one rather than two. Likewise in the AFC, you would have the same four teams chasing for two wildcard spots rather than three.

    I don't think you can call the change nearly invisible. It means the #2 seed doesn't get a first round bye and isn't even guaranteed to be in the divisional round. It's conceivable the #2 could get upset by #7 and suddenly you have a team that would never be in the playoffs in previous years as one of the final 8 teams in the NFL. The lack of a bye is huge


    I would still contend that the change is nearly invisible. Yes the #2 seed is a lot less desirable, but it doesn't really seem to affect a lot of teams which was one of the fears. The old and new playoff pictures are nearly the same in both conferences.
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Re: The new playoff format...
Tue Dec 29, 2020 3:00 pm
  • With the 17 game schedule is every team going to play 1 neutral site game?
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Re: The new playoff format...
Tue Dec 29, 2020 3:42 pm
  • andyh64000 wrote:With the 17 game schedule is every team going to play 1 neutral site game?


    Given how enamored the NFL brass is of international games (i.e. London, Mexico City), I would not at all be surprised.
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Re: The new playoff format...
Wed Dec 30, 2020 7:03 am
  • Polaris wrote:
    andyh64000 wrote:With the 17 game schedule is every team going to play 1 neutral site game?


    Given how enamored the NFL brass is of international games (i.e. London, Mexico City), I would not at all be surprised.


    I think that's the primary motivation behind the 17th game. The league desperately wants to expand the international series, but teams are reluctant to give up a home game. Our Hawks are a prime example. We've played just one game in the international series and haven't sacrificed a single home game yet teams like Jacksonville are donating a game a year. It's not fair for one team to forfeit multiple home games while others cling to them. It affects competitiveness.

    I could also envision a scenario where the NFL has a few games at neutral sites stateside in an area where the NFL is not very well represented, like Lincoln, Nebraska or Boise, Idaho. With 16 games that do not have an assigned home team, they'll need more neutral sites. That's a lot of venues, and I'm not sure they can find that many abroad that meet the league's criteria, at least not right away.
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Re: The new playoff format...
Wed Dec 30, 2020 7:09 am
  • I know we are hoping they have a game up in Vancouver, BC. That would be a blast, and the Hawks fans would be in full force.
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Re: The new playoff format...
Wed Dec 30, 2020 7:59 am
  • SoulfishHawk wrote:I know we are hoping they have a game up in Vancouver, BC. That would be a blast, and the Hawks fans would be in full force.


    Not sure if the league would go for the Hawks playing a neutral game in BC. It would be like letting the Packers play a neutral game in Madison, WI. More than likely, they'll insist that any neutral game be outside of a particular region of the participating teams.
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Re: The new playoff format...
Wed Dec 30, 2020 9:49 am
  • SoulfishHawk wrote:I know we are hoping they have a game up in Vancouver, BC. That would be a blast, and the Hawks fans would be in full force.


    Oh man, that would be a dream! I promise if this happens, I will throw a Seahawks BBQ / Party and any .NET members who can make it are automatically invited! :irishdrinkers:
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Re: The new playoff format...
Wed Dec 30, 2020 9:56 am
  • Excellent. We have a lot of friends who live in Tsawwassen. Love it up there.
    Still have never been to a CFL game, that needs to happen as well.
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Re: The new playoff format...
Wed Dec 30, 2020 10:03 am
  • SoulfishHawk wrote:Excellent. We have a lot of friends who live in Tsawwassen. Love it up there.
    Still have never been to a CFL game, that needs to happen as well.


    Well, you would be pretty disappointed lol. CFL games aren't anything like NFL games, not to mention that Seattle home games are known to be some of the best in the NFL.There are probably more Seahawks fans in BC, than BC Lions fans. If not, then there are definitely a lot more Seahawks fans in Western Canada when you combine the other 3 provinces. But you're right, it would be a blast and the Canadian Seahawks fans would be so welcoming to any fans coming from the US, that's for sure!
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Re: The new playoff format...
Wed Dec 30, 2020 11:59 am
  • I could see that. But more for the chance to see something for first time and drink a ridiculous amount that moonshine beer they serve in Canada :irishdrinkers:
    One of them used to run the Canadian Seahawkers, but her health forced her to give it up. The people up there are so damn cool. And soon we will have the Kraken/Canuck rivalry.
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Re: The new playoff format...
Wed Dec 30, 2020 8:07 pm
  • .A CFL game in Canada would be interesting. A classmate played there for a few years...Jimmy Sandusky. Good player from Othello High School when I was a Jr and he was a Sr.
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Re: The new playoff format...
Thu Dec 31, 2020 12:37 pm
  • Seahawkfan80 wrote:.A CFL game in Canada would be interesting. A classmate played there for a few years...Jimmy Sandusky. Good player from Othello High School when I was a Jr and he was a Sr.


    You went to school with Jim Sandusky?! Cool!! 8) He was awesome! He had hands like Steve Largent, and clutch too. He wasn't that big, but man could he take a hit. Always got up, dust himself off and never complain. Edmonton Eskimo fans all still love Sandusky.
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Re: The new playoff format...
Thu Dec 31, 2020 3:53 pm
  • TypeSly wrote:
    Seahawkfan80 wrote:.A CFL game in Canada would be interesting. A classmate played there for a few years...Jimmy Sandusky. Good player from Othello High School when I was a Jr and he was a Sr.


    You went to school with Jim Sandusky?! Cool!! 8) He was awesome! He had hands like Steve Largent, and clutch too. He wasn't that big, but man could he take a hit. Always got up, dust himself off and never complain. Edmonton Eskimo fans all still love Sandusky.


    Yes I did. He graduated in 1979. If I recall correctly, he was a pretty cool guy in school. I saw him on tv watching some CFL games when I was working a job in Utah I think.

    He was playing also as a Jr and I think the Huskies went to the Semis in Hoquiam (SP) for state and I think we lost. It is so many years ago. I was in band at the time so was able to watch a lot of games. It was fun back in the day.

    Oh and we kinda were a FARMING community. We could take a hit.
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