If we end up having to go to Lambeau Field to take on the 2020 MVP Rodgers and the Packers in mid January all because we lost to the FREAKIN' GIANTS I'm gonna be pissed.

The weather in Seattle in January isn't much better than Lambeau on average. I mean its colder, but usually pretty dry.

No fans there, so really what does it matter?

Uncle Si wrote:The weather in Seattle in January isn't much better than Lambeau on average. I mean its colder, but usually pretty dry. No fans there, so really what does it matter?

You're joking, right?

No..

I dont get the concern with location when there are no fans.

Been to Green Bay plenty in winter. Seattle in January is gusting wind and rain. GB is cold and dry.

I get why everyone says that the Giants game is really going to bite us in the ass, same as the 1st Cardinals game where we should have one, but it makes me feel better when I think of the Patriots and Vikings games. We really shouldn't have won the Vikings game and got lucky to do so. The Pats game we easily could have lost. So it's one of those things where it goes both ways. You win some close ones that you shouldn't and lose some you shouldn't. Things even out in the end. But it makes me feel better to think we caught some breaks as well so they kind of make up for the Giants loss. Everything seemed to even out and I think 11-4 is a pretty accurate representation of how good we are at this point and where we should fairly be. Luckily for us we are peaking at the right time; now.

I’m more worried about the officiating playing GB at home then the game. Did anyone else watch the game on Sunday and see very questionable/biased calls. I just hope ticky tacky stuff isn’t called and the refs let everyone play.

The scariest part of playing in GB is if Erin has his officials with him, which will be likely.
I do not expect a fairly officiated game in GB regardless of who plays there, with the exception of the Tampa Brady’s who have their own guys as well.

If it’s Tawmy vs Erin, I’m not sure who the NFL would pick?

Sports Hernia wrote:The scariest part of playing in GB is if Erin has his officials with him, which will be likely.
I do not expect a fairly officiated game in GB regardless of who plays there, with the exception of the Tampa Brady’s who have their own guys as well.

If it’s Tawmy vs Erin, I’m not sure who the NFL would pick?

They would take GB I am convinced. They love Brady but Tampa just isn't that big of a market. GB are the glory boys and one of the big market teams and the NFL is obsessed with Erin and State Farm. The Steelers and Packers will always get the calls before anyone else (Patriots are right there too)

Like others have mentioned, the ref factor is very scary. And I don't need to hear about how the team should overcome etc. The Refs impacting games is a real thing, and it's VERY likely to be something we see in the playoffs.

Uncle Si wrote:No..

I dont get the concern with location when there are no fans.

Been to Green Bay plenty in winter. Seattle in January is gusting wind and rain. GB is cold and dry.

Being home is a mental thing, it has it's advanatges.

A playoff tested team uses it as extra incentive to focus and step up on the road and maybe elevate their game knowing they are in a fight not only against a team but crowd many times.

Green bay has a mystique about it that gets in players heads as well.

The Refs and Erin are my biggest concerns and once the steering starts it's hard to take back the momentum you lose because of the calls made.

Don't be pissed. Rodgers is a has-been. Adams, Brooks, Diggs, et all are up-and-comers.

The refs are a problem Always will be whenever GB, Pitts, or Dallas are involved.

The solution is to stomp them into the dirt, a la 48.

Always and forever, F every other team.

Good points ^^^
every.....single...one...
The Hawks are the only team that truly matter to me. They are a contender, just like GB and NO. I just don't buy in to all the fear that seems to come out before every game. To each his/her own. I just believe in the team and what they can do. Doesn't make me any bigger of a fan, just they way I look at this team, this QB and this Coach.

No team that’s not the Packers will be getting a fair shake in ref calls in January at Lambeau.

Teams will need to play a damn near perfect game knowing that calls will not favor the road team.

Everything goes against the road team in Lambeau in January.

Very difficult to beat Green Bay in Green Bay in January.

A definite harder matchup than in New Orleans in January.

Packers have had a fairly easy schedule.

Seattle on the other hand has played against the Top Defenses in the NFL!

We will smoke Rodgers at home, so get ready for those "Angry Aron" screen shots.

Yeah, the Pack has beaten maybe 2 teams with a winning record.
I don't doubt they are a good team. But, the NFC is wide open imo.

So...

Nothing rationale then? Just mystique and the bogeyman.

I'd rather the Hawks in Green Bay, a place they almost won last year, than a visit to New Orleans.

5 win Vikings team steamrolled them at Lambeau earlier this year.

No road game is easy, but I think this is a good year to play the Packers at their (empty) house

Not only almost won, but a brutal drop on an absolutely perfect pass that would have maybe got them to finish a game winning drive. With a RB who came out of retirement.
Shoot, they were on 4th stringers vs. the Niners and were a half yard from winning the division.
This team is almost ALWAYS in every game they play. #3 under center, ANYTHING is possible. More fear of the opponent. Meh. I'm glad this team fears nobody, a lot of fans sure seem to be scared. Just my opinion.....

Uncle Si wrote:No..

I dont get the concern with location when there are no fans.

Been to Green Bay plenty in winter. Seattle in January is gusting wind and rain. GB is cold and dry.

I lived in rural Wisconsin through most of the 90s...that 20-degree difference (Green Bay average January high temp is 26, Seattle's is 46) makes a BIG difference on your unprotected hands when you're not used to it. Try and write it off all you want, but you're just wrong on this one, sorry.

Plus, it's less humid there than in Seattle, which means the temperatures drop both farther and more quickly in the late afternoon and evening. Realistically if we have a late afternoon or evening start time there, it'll be on average 25 degrees give or take a few colder than in Seattle.

Next you're gonna say there's no difference between 75 and 95 in the summer, amirite?

Come on, Si.

I work with a huge GB fan, and he flat out already has said "I don't want them playing Seattle, not with THAT quarterback, running game and how the defense is playing"
I suspect plenty of other fanbases wouldn't exactly be too stoked to play Seattle.
Again, it's the playoffs. You don't get to pick and choose who you play. And IF you're already hoping you play x team, because that's an easier path? Kind of a losing mentality. I have zero doubt the Hawks couldn't give a rats butt who they play in the playoffs.

Its cold Ro.. I know, I'm on the other side of the river.going on 20 years now. I'm through GB/wausau 5-6 times a year.

But its dry, and relatively tame in regards to wind most days.

Settle may be 40s, but runs a much higher risk of lashing rain and wind.

Not saying I'd prefer GB to Seattle, just don't think its that big of a deal this year without fans.

Are people saying that the Hawks can't beat the Packers? Sure sounds like it.
Tough matchup w/out a doubt. But like any team in the playoffs, they are beatable.

ivotuk wrote:Packers have had a fairly easy schedule.

Seattle on the other hand has played against the Top Defenses in the NFL!

We will smoke Rodgers at home, so get ready for those "Angry Aron" screen shots.

I wish that I had your confidence. However, we traditionally have not played well in Green Bay. I would love to be surprised this year.

Uncle Si wrote:The weather in Seattle in January isn't much better than Lambeau on average. I mean its colder, but usually pretty dry.

No fans there, so really what does it matter?

It's not so much losing the HFA, it's not getting the #1 seed and a bye to get healthy and strong.

You are correct, this year HFA doesn't mean much with the #1 vs #2 seeds. But not having the bye and having to possibly travel twice if we're the #3 seed because we lost to the Giants? Yeah, that's being pissed off worthy.

Aros wrote:If we end up having to go to Lambeau Field to take on the 2020 MVP Rodgers and the Packers in mid January all because we lost to the FREAKIN' GIANTS I'm gonna be pissed.

Someone is going to knock off the Packers before Seattle gets to Greenbay


LTH

SoulfishHawk wrote:Yeah, the Pack has beaten maybe 2 teams with a winning record.
I don't doubt they are a good team. But, the NFC is wide open imo.

They just kicked the crap out of a good team that is built to win in the playoffs. We all know momentum going into the playoffs is paramount...(us in 2012). The Packers will have that assuming they take care of the Bears.

Sgt. Largent wrote:

Uncle Si wrote:The weather in Seattle in January isn't much better than Lambeau on average. I mean its colder, but usually pretty dry.

No fans there, so really what does it matter?

It's not so much losing the HFA, it's not getting the #1 seed and a bye to get healthy and strong.

You are correct, this year HFA doesn't mean much with the #1 vs #2 seeds. But not having the bye and having to possibly travel twice if we're the #3 seed because we lost to the Giants? Yeah, that's being pissed off worthy.

Fair enough

Don't forget that home game offers the advantage of no travel. One more practice day (not traveling day) and back home in bed that night instead of taking a plane home and getting back at 04:30 or whenever.

I'm going to stay positive:

If the Packers get the number 1 seed, it's very likely they'll have to play the Bucs in the divisional. The Bucs are the team best equipped to upset the Packers and they know it.

If we do have to go to Green Bay and the weather is bad, that will at least slow their pass rush down and give Russ time to throw.

SoulfishHawk wrote:I work with a huge GB fan, and he flat out already has said "I don't want them playing Seattle, not with THAT quarterback, running game and how the defense is playing"
I suspect plenty of other fanbases wouldn't exactly be too stoked to play Seattle.
Again, it's the playoffs. You don't get to pick and choose who you play. And IF you're already hoping you play x team, because that's an easier path? Kind of a losing mentality. I have zero doubt the Hawks couldn't give a rats butt who they play in the playoffs.

Nobody wants to play Seattle... not even Seattle... well maybe Seattle LMAO!!!!


LTH

Um, if we're playing football in mid January, I'm gonna be thrilled.

Our record is pretty accurate. Maybe a shade rosier than we should expect. Most close games tended to go our way, save the @ARI game. Otherwise we tended to get the game winning breaks more than we should have rightly expected.

This team is rounding into the kind of team a GB doesn't want to face. The kind of team that can bring them down to our level and slog through a tight game in the mud. I'm actually more concerned about TB or NO, as they have very good defenses that can make it very tough for us.

But honestly, those 4 teams are all competitive against one another. Feels like a lot of parity at the top. And we're right up there with any of them.

I would rather take on the Saints instead of the Packers flat out. A climate-controlled Dome with no fans versus a freezing and possibly snowy mess in Lambeau? Easy choice.

It's my understanding that if everything stays the same seeding-wise, we would go to the Saints in the divisional and Bucs would go to Lambeau, of course assuming both teams advance.

One thing, our defense is built to challenge a offense like Green Bay, depth and blitzes from Adams or a LB, Reid, Amadi, Griffin, Neal, Diggs, speed with Brooks and we have Wright playing lights out as well in pass defense.

Dunlap and Reed now coming into form and the ability to stop the run up the middle.

That's the best part of all. Our defense has inexplicably become from historically the worst to now legit one of the best defenses in the NFL. A hell of a turnaround, and they are precisely built for and playing playoff caliber football right now. If our offense can return even close to how we looked earlier in the season, I don't think any NFC team can beat us.

If it ends up being a game vs Green Bay in. Lambeau or wherever, going back to last year's game the only chance of winning is to not have Adams abuse our secondary (well mostly Flowers) the way he did last year.

Sports Hernia wrote:The scariest part of playing in GB is if Erin has his officials with him, which will be likely.
I do not expect a fairly officiated game in GB regardless of who plays there, with the exception of the Tampa Brady’s who have their own guys as well.

If it’s Tawmy vs Erin, I’m not sure who the NFL would pick?

Entirely accurate. If I see Rodgers get bailed out again on 3rd down or hear the commentary mention "look at the time Aaron has to throw the ball" while dudes are getting tackled on their way to the QB you can call it a day.

And its a no brainer.. they go with A-Rod. The league would love nothing more to host another GB vs. KC Super Bowl. Two high scoring offenses, pansy defenses and a lot of points for the TV viewing Covid Bowl. A business of entertainment considered "critical"

Uncle Si wrote:No..

I dont get the concern with location when there are no fans.

Been to Green Bay plenty in winter. Seattle in January is gusting wind and rain. GB is cold and dry.

Avg temp in Green Bay in Jan., 26/9

Avg temp in Seattle in Jan., 47/39

Over 20 degrees colder in the daytime and 30 degrees at night.

Not much of a comparison.

You live in Minnesota, you don't think anything's too cold.

DomeHawk wrote:You live in Minnesota, you don't think anything's too cold.

Remember what the 9ers did to them there in the playoffs! Stop freakin' we're peakin"! Yeah, three apostrophes in a row baby.

Aros wrote:That's the best part of all. Our defense has inexplicably become from historically the worst to now legit one of the best defenses in the NFL. A hell of a turnaround, and they are precisely built for and playing playoff caliber football right now. If our offense can return even close to how we looked earlier in the season, I don't think any NFC team can beat us.

"Our defense has inexplicably become from historically the worst to now legit one of the best defenses in the NFL."

Dang!!! They must have thunder in there Cheerios! LMAO!!!!

LTH

People hate arod in here but if russ was 44/4 for touchdowns to int.....what would john do?

Aros wrote:I would rather take on the Saints instead of the Packers flat out. A climate-controlled Dome with no fans versus a freezing and possibly snowy mess in Lambeau? Easy choice.

It's my understanding that if everything stays the same seeding-wise, we would go to the Saints in the divisional and Bucs would go to Lambeau, of course assuming both teams advance.

As luck would have it, you might get both those choices!

So, basically it went from Rams fear/worship to Packers now. Got it...…
I hope we do play them at some point, the threads alone will be pure gold. Hawks lose by 30, they have NO chance to win etc.
Just like they had no chance against the Rams right?

SoulfishHawk wrote:Not only almost won, but a brutal drop on an absolutely perfect pass that would have maybe got them to finish a game winning drive. With a RB who came out of retirement.
Shoot, they were on 4th stringers vs. the Niners and were a half yard from winning the division.
This team is almost ALWAYS in every game they play. #3 under center, ANYTHING is possible. More fear of the opponent. Meh. I'm glad this team fears nobody, a lot of fans sure seem to be scared. Just my opinion.....

Fear the Opponents?, oh hell no.
NOW, the Officials?, um, yeah, that's a whole another gig.

Accurate. After watching that farce the other night, damn. That was some blatant one way stuff.
Not saying that the Packers are an average team. They are pretty solid, but they certainly don't need the help from the stripes. I can't stand Rodgers, but he's playing out of his mind this year. SO FAR

SoulfishHawk wrote:I work with a huge GB fan, and he flat out already has said "I don't want them playing Seattle, not with THAT quarterback, running game and how the defense is playing"
I suspect plenty of other fanbases wouldn't exactly be too stoked to play Seattle.
Again, it's the playoffs. You don't get to pick and choose who you play. And IF you're already hoping you play x team, because that's an easier path? Kind of a losing mentality. I have zero doubt the Hawks couldn't give a rats butt who they play in the playoffs.

I agree, no team in the upper echelon wants to play Seattle, and the Seahawks have always been a team that doesn't get affected by the "mystique" of playing against the NFL's "darling" teams (GB, Dallas, Pitts etc.) because we have a decent record against all of them. Those teams always have the edge with the refs, and even more so in their home stadiums. Brady trumps all of that, no matter what teams he's on, so that's the only reason I wouldn't to face Tampa.

At least by winning the division we get one game at home. It would be so nice to get the bye, because we wouldn't have to face the refs for an extra game. I'm not saying that there's a conspiracy against Seattle, but there's an added disadvantage against any team facing one of the NFL's darling teams. Make no mistake, our biggest opponents this year are the NFL and the refs. We know this the best, from our first SB appearance. The Seahawks outplayed the Steelers in every way, but you can't beat the refs when it's that blatant.

I'm OK with playing GB, it's a team we have always matched up well against.

We almost beat them in the playoffs last year, with Travis Homer, Clowney on one leg and shoulder as our only pass rush and Flowers getting torched by Adams on every route.

NO's scares me the most in the NFC. So many offensive weapons, that's a game Russell would REALLY have to be clicking on to score 30-35+ points to hang with them.

Sgt. Largent wrote:

Uncle Si wrote:The weather in Seattle in January isn't much better than Lambeau on average. I mean its colder, but usually pretty dry.

No fans there, so really what does it matter?

It's not so much losing the HFA, it's not getting the #1 seed and a bye to get healthy and strong.

You are correct, this year HFA doesn't mean much with the #1 vs #2 seeds. But not having the bye and having to possibly travel twice if we're the #3 seed because we lost to the Giants? Yeah, that's being pissed off worthy.

Imagine being a Rams fan and facing the possibility of not even making the playoffs at all because you lost to a winless Jets team that was coming off a 40-3 loss, when before that loss you were in control of your own destiny and in great position to win the division.

Just sayin...

Imagine going one day w/out dwelling on the Giants game. Geezus, give it a rest.
Just saying...

Chapow wrote:

Sgt. Largent wrote:

Uncle Si wrote:The weather in Seattle in January isn't much better than Lambeau on average. I mean its colder, but usually pretty dry.

No fans there, so really what does it matter?

It's not so much losing the HFA, it's not getting the #1 seed and a bye to get healthy and strong.

You are correct, this year HFA doesn't mean much with the #1 vs #2 seeds. But not having the bye and having to possibly travel twice if we're the #3 seed because we lost to the Giants? Yeah, that's being pissed off worthy.

Imagine being a Rams fan and facing the possibility of not even making the playoffs at all because you lost to a winless Jets team that was coming off a 40-3 loss, when before that loss you were in control of your own destiny and in great position to win the division.

Just sayin...

Yeah, but I highly doubt the Bears are beating the Packers with the Packers needing to win to keep the #1 seed.

Before last week I didn't want to see the Rams in the playoffs, but with Goff's injury and the Rams limping into the playoffs I'm just fine with seeing them in the first round. I'd LOVE to curb stomp their asses into the off season.

Sgt. Largent wrote:

Chapow wrote:

Sgt. Largent wrote:

Uncle Si wrote:The weather in Seattle in January isn't much better than Lambeau on average. I mean its colder, but usually pretty dry.

No fans there, so really what does it matter?

It's not so much losing the HFA, it's not getting the #1 seed and a bye to get healthy and strong.

You are correct, this year HFA doesn't mean much with the #1 vs #2 seeds. But not having the bye and having to possibly travel twice if we're the #3 seed because we lost to the Giants? Yeah, that's being pissed off worthy.

Imagine being a Rams fan and facing the possibility of not even making the playoffs at all because you lost to a winless Jets team that was coming off a 40-3 loss, when before that loss you were in control of your own destiny and in great position to win the division.

Just sayin...

Yeah, but I highly doubt the Bears are beating the Packers with the Packers needing to win to keep the #1 seed.

Before last week I didn't want to see the Rams in the playoffs, but with Goff's injury and the Rams limping into the playoffs I'm just fine with seeing them in the first round. I'd LOVE to curb stomp their asses into the off season.

The Bears are fighting for their playoff lives, and happen to be playing their best football of the season. Even the odds are almost a pick 'em game.