How will we re-sign our FA's with the salary cap going down?

Carson will want to be paid. Keeping Jamal Adams will cost us a lot. I'm hearing as much as $20 million less per team on the salary cap next year AND adding a 17th game to help make up for lost revenues this year. Fortunately Adams is locked up for next year so we kick that can down the road another year. Franchise tags are expected to be an option that more teams will use next year. 2021 may have a lot of cap casualties, and a year ago who could have envisioned that?

Over the Cap estimates the 2021 salary cap will be $176 million, a decrease of $22.2 million or 11.2 percent from 2020.
https://www.nfl.com/news/2021-nfl-salar ... d-decrease

The Seahawks have roughly $160 million in 2021 cap commitments (including $9.86 million for Adams' fifth-year option), according to ESPN's Roster Management System. That puts them in a better position than some teams but would still leave them without much space assuming anything near a $175 million cap.

And Adams isn't Seattle's only starter in line for a significant payday. Cornerbacks Shaquill Griffin and Quinton Dunbar become free agents after this season, as will running back Chris Carson.
https://www.espn.com/blog/seattle-seaha ... 020-season

Maybe Wilson will donate his next seasons salary .

I guess we'll save some money on having fewer draft picks than ever before.

I think we'll get bargains on RFA tenders since no one else will be signing guys away.

I suspect the FA market will be depressed as well with many other teams flooding the market with cap casualties.

I rust John to put together a competitive team. It just may look different than this one which is too bad as I like a lot of the players on this team's roster.

Mad Dog":1f73a8c6 said:

I guess we'll save some money on having fewer draft picks than ever before.

I think we'll get bargains on RFA tenders since no one else will be signing guys away.

I suspect the FA market will be depressed as well with many other teams flooding the market with cap casualties.

I rust John to put together a competitive team. It just may look different than this one which is too bad as I like a lot of the players on this team's roster.

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:ditto: This.

I expect that a lot more free agents than usual will opt for one-year deals that pay less than their ideal salary, banking on making it up with longer-term and higher paying contracts when the salary cap (presumably) goes up again in 2022.

I also imagine that a bunch of Russ's pay next year gets converted to a roster bonus and spread out to reduce his cap hit. In fact, that strategy might be used for a lot of contracts by a lot of teams this time, depending on getting the money back later. You can kick the can down the road in a few different ways.

GeekHawk":1oxirq7t said:

I expect that a lot more free agents than usual will opt for one-year deals that pay less than their ideal salary, banking on making it up with longer-term and higher paying contracts when the salary cap (presumably) goes up again in 2022.

I also imagine that a bunch of Russ's pay next year gets converted to a roster bonus and spread out to reduce his cap hit. In fact, that strategy might be used for a lot of contracts by a lot of teams this time, depending on getting the money back later. You can kick the can down the road in a few different ways.

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Yeah, it'll take some jiggering, but if anybody can get it done, it's John Schneider. :179422:

sutz":1zx0r93f said:

GeekHawk":1zx0r93f said:

I expect that a lot more free agents than usual will opt for one-year deals that pay less than their ideal salary, banking on making it up with longer-term and higher paying contracts when the salary cap (presumably) goes up again in 2022.

I also imagine that a bunch of Russ's pay next year gets converted to a roster bonus and spread out to reduce his cap hit. In fact, that strategy might be used for a lot of contracts by a lot of teams this time, depending on getting the money back later. You can kick the can down the road in a few different ways.

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Yeah, it'll take some jiggering, but if anybody can get it done, it's John Schneider. :179422:

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JS is amazing... It might be that he trades a high profile player like he did with Frank Clark to get some draft capital... as I remember it the Hawks had 4 picks that year and JS turned it into 11... Not sure who it would be...



LTH

The Seahawks had 15M in dead money this season. So far for next season, they only have about $1M in dead money (BJ Finney).

Using the transition tag on Carson would only be 1 year 8.5M. Very affordable, and like you say, they don't have to worry about Adams' new mega deal until 2022.

Carson, Wright and Griffin are the only three big impact players from this season that are free agents. Everybody else is fairly replaceable.

massari":14ie9a5i said:

The Seahawks had 15M in dead money this season. So far for next season, they only have about $1M in dead money (BJ Finney).

Using the transition tag on Carson would only be 1 year 8.5M. Very affordable, and like you say, they don't have to worry about Adams' new mega deal until 2022.

Carson, Wright and Griffin are the only three big impact players from this season that are free agents. Everybody else is fairly replaceable.

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It will be interesting to see what they do with Griffin...I would bet that Griffin will want to stay in Seattle and what kind of Money is Wright going to want? If I were Wright I would want to retire in Seattle but I don't see Wright as getting more than a 2-3 year deal with the Hawks... he had a PB year in my opinion...


LTH

I remember Fade insisting the cap never ever goes down when
we were having the thread about paying RW over $35 million.
With it going down $22 million or more.. :34853_doh: ukeface:
I don't want to ever hear that line of economics again :141847_bnono:
Now RW can help the team by restructuring or we are screwed.

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34 Players under contract for 2021, total cap hit (including dead money from players no longer here) ~160M:
player / cap hit / dead money

Russell Wilson $32,000,000 $39,000,000
Bobby Wagner $17,150,000 $7,500,000
Duane Brown $13,000,000 $2,000,000
Tyler Lockett $12,550,000 $2,250,000
Jarran Reed $13,475,000 $5,000,000
Quandre Diggs $5,500,000 $0
Jason Myers $4,350,000 $2,000,000
Jamal Adams $9,860,000 $0
Brandon Shell $5,500,000 $2,000,000
Rashaad Penny $3,425,366 $2,057,352
L.J. Collier $2,955,294 $5,416,814
Jordyn Brooks $2,780,819 $9,897,024
Carlos Dunlap $14,100,000 $0
D.K. Metcalf $1,250,741 $677,654
Tyler Ott $1,115,000 $250,000
Rasheem Green $1,148,139 $228,139
Will Dissly $1,082,567 $162,567
Cody Barton $1,071,031 $442,062
Damien Lewis $1,114,124 $843,897
Ugochukwu Amadi $1,011,298 $322,598
Michael Dickson $992,538 $72,538
DeeJay Dallas $903,600 $370,800
Alton Robinson $867,836 $263,508
Colby Parkinson $947,610 $502,830
Ben Burr-Kirven $935,730 $171,460
Freddie Swain $812,353 $97,059
D.J. Reed $920,000 $0
Marquise Blair $1,700,904 $1,277,872
Darrell Taylor $1,537,389 $2,777,211
Phil Haynes $1,022,718 $345,436
Tre Flowers $994,681 $74,681
Jamarco Jones $911,251 $61,251
Travis Homer $885,840 $71,680
Chance Warmack $850,000 $0

Free Agents 2021:

Replacement on IR but already signed for next year;
Carlos Hyde (Travis Homer)
Johnathan Bullard (Darrell Taylor)
Mike Iupati (Phil Haynes/Chance Warmack)
Jason Stanley (Tre Flowers)
Damarious Randall (Marquise Blair)
Cedric Ogbuehi (Jamarco Jones)

Restricted/Exclusive free agents (reasonable cost):
Jordan Simmons (ER)
Bryan Mone (ER)
Ryan Neal (ER)
Linden Stephens (ER)
Kyle Fuller (R)
Chad Wheeler (R)
Poona Ford (R)
Nick Bellore

FA that can be let go, replaced in draft (4 draft picks needed):
Shaquem Griffin
Greg Olsen
David Moore
Damontre Moore
Quinton Dunbar
Neiko Thorpe
Branden Jackson
Bruce Irvin
Phillip Dorsett
Josh Gordon
Delano Hill

Now the problem, ~10M + 4 draft picks for R/ER free agents and replacements, leaves ~5m + 0-3 draft picks to re-sign or replace:

KJ Wright
Ethan Pocic
Shaquille Griffin
Chris Carson
Jacob Hollister
Benson Mayowa
Geno Smith

IndyHawk":1ukcelv5 said:

I remember Fade insisting the cap never ever goes down when
we were having the thread about paying RW over $35 million.
With it going down $22 million or more.. :34853_doh: ukeface:
I don't want to ever hear that line of economics again :141847_bnono:
Now RW can help the team by restructuring or we are screwed.

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In fairness, I'm guessing that statement by Fade was made before the virus hit? No one on the face of the earth could have anticipated something like that.

TraderGary":83xaqd66 said:

IndyHawk":83xaqd66 said:

I remember Fade insisting the cap never ever goes down when
we were having the thread about paying RW over $35 million.
With it going down $22 million or more.. :34853_doh: ukeface:
I don't want to ever hear that line of economics again :141847_bnono:
Now RW can help the team by restructuring or we are screwed.

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In fairness, I'm guessing that statement by Fade was made before the virus hit? No one on the face of the earth could have anticipated something like that.

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Yes but he insisted that it would keep going higher and higher.
Which is why you can never work the cap under assumption
you don't know if something like this won't happen again.

What matters is how the Seahawks fare relative to other teams. Every team is going to face huge challenges if the salary cap decreases and we are actually in pretty good shape compared to most of our rivals. It's going to be an interesting off-season for sure, but if you want to feel better about it look at some other teams.

The Rams are projected to be 20m over the current cap for 2021 with a $35m cap hit for Goff, $28m cap hit for Donald, $23m cap hit for Ramsey and $8.5m in dead money for Gurley. If the cap goes down they are going to have make some very drastic cuts.

The Chiefs are projected to be 13m over the current cap as they will finally start paying Mahomes real money ($25m) in addition to Clark ($26m), Hill ($16m), Mathieu ($20m), Fisher ($15m), Jones ($22m), Hitchens ($11m), Schwartz ($10m), and Kelce ($13m).

The Bears will be slightly over, the Vikings are projected to be 8m over with a 31m cap hit for Cousins, The Saints are hilariously over (95m!) with a very likely retirement for Drew Brees, Green Bay is projected to be 21m over, and the Bucs will have a 44 year old Tom Brady.

IndyHawk":2xpjbogs said:

TraderGary":2xpjbogs said:

IndyHawk":2xpjbogs said:

I remember Fade insisting the cap never ever goes down when
we were having the thread about paying RW over $35 million.
With it going down $22 million or more.. :34853_doh: ukeface:
I don't want to ever hear that line of economics again :141847_bnono:
Now RW can help the team by restructuring or we are screwed.

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In fairness, I'm guessing that statement by Fade was made before the virus hit? No one on the face of the earth could have anticipated something like that.

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Yes but he insisted that it would keep going higher and higher.
Which is why you can never work the cap under assumption
you don't know if something like this won't happen again.

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JFC, people are willing to say anything to come to the conclusion that they were right in some discussion.

You must be extremely happy this global pandemic hit so you can now crow that you were right.

In conclusion, STFU.

I wonder if they will waiver next year for the Salary CAp Limitations due to this situation and then come back with a better plan for the following year? Just a wierd thought. Probably could be done if the Coaches and GMs and upper NFL Management allowed.

Hockey Guy":295xo1z0 said:

IndyHawk":295xo1z0 said:

TraderGary":295xo1z0 said:

IndyHawk":295xo1z0 said:

I remember Fade insisting the cap never ever goes down when
we were having the thread about paying RW over $35 million.
With it going down $22 million or more.. :34853_doh: ukeface:
I don't want to ever hear that line of economics again :141847_bnono:
Now RW can help the team by restructuring or we are screwed.

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In fairness, I'm guessing that statement by Fade was made before the virus hit? No one on the face of the earth could have anticipated something like that.

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Yes but he insisted that it would keep going higher and higher.
Which is why you can never work the cap under assumption
you don't know if something like this won't happen again.

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JFC, people are willing to say anything to come to the conclusion that they were right in some discussion.

You must be extremely happy this global pandemic hit so you can now crow that you were right.

In conclusion, STFU.

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You are weak ..Using kb to talk that trash
gtfo

Any surprise cuts?

Jarran Reed could be cut to free up money but I dont see it as they are already week on the dline and still need to develop Alton more and have no 1st to draft there and had to basically redshirt Taylor this year. I know that Dunlap is owed 14 mill next year though, so maybe a restructure to extend him a year or two and drop his cap number down.


I dont know what KJ cap number is maybe he gets cut with the emergence of Brooks?

I dont see them resigning Shaq

Due to reduced Cap and the COVID 19 issue I would expect a lot of one year deals, the following season to be a explosion of longer deals back at market rates.

The players do not want to sign a reduced rate contract long term, but they know a one year deal to stay in a situation isn't the end of the world and know the situation.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out, JS has had a good feeling about contracts and working the future as well as the now.