K.J WRIGHT wrote:yes or no ?

Yes - Because the amount of cheap amazing rookie talent you could get plus a game managing QB would be more than RW does on his own...not to mention freeing up RW's salary also brings you in more talent. How many times have we seen a team of super stars with a game managing QB make it to the SB (and sometimes win) in the last 10 years? Just about every team not named Chiefs/Patriots was that team. BTW RW was that QB in 2012-2013, he is not the same QB today as he was back then, but at the same time is he 10x better (which is what his salary is) the answer is no, but i understand why you need to re-sign franchise QBs. All this being said, no team is going to give you 4 first round picks for Russ (especially not with his salary). So this is a silly question.

ZagHawk wrote:

K.J WRIGHT wrote:yes or no ?

Yes - Because the amount of cheap amazing rookie talent you could get plus a game managing QB would be more than RW does on his own...not to mention freeing up RW's salary also brings you in more talent. How many times have we seen a team of super stars with a game managing QB make it to the SB (and sometimes win) in the last 10 years? Just about every team not named Chiefs/Patriots was that team. BTW RW was that QB in 2012-2013, he is not the same QB today as he was back then, but at the same time is he 10x better (which is what his salary is) the answer is no, but i understand why you need to re-sign franchise QBs. All this being said, no team is going to give you 4 first round picks for Russ (especially not with his salary). So this is a silly question.

so glad your not the GM. Since nearly everything you said is wrong.

John63 wrote:

ZagHawk wrote:

K.J WRIGHT wrote:yes or no ?

Yes - Because the amount of cheap amazing rookie talent you could get plus a game managing QB would be more than RW does on his own...not to mention freeing up RW's salary also brings you in more talent. How many times have we seen a team of super stars with a game managing QB make it to the SB (and sometimes win) in the last 10 years? Just about every team not named Chiefs/Patriots was that team. BTW RW was that QB in 2012-2013, he is not the same QB today as he was back then, but at the same time is he 10x better (which is what his salary is) the answer is no, but i understand why you need to re-sign franchise QBs. All this being said, no team is going to give you 4 first round picks for Russ (especially not with his salary). So this is a silly question.

so glad your not the GM. Since nearly everything you said is wrong.

I love it when I put thoughts and try to find some backing into a post and then someone makes a lame ass attempt to invalidate anything with a single sentence with absolutely no backing on their end. At least when I got into it with LTH there was meaningful stuff on both ends to read and continue writing about. Your response is about the same as "quit drinking the kool aid bro"...nice one. Believe what you believe, that is fine, I will believe what I believe. The OP asked what people would do, I gave my honest opinion. Here's a fact for you, in the last like 5+ years no top paid QB has won a SB. Mahomes has a shot to break this stat, but until that happens, its still a FACT. You can google plenty of sources that proves that "https://www.cbs46.com/sports/qb-pay-doesnt-equate-to-super-bowls-in-nfl/article_23eb6d96-23c0-11e9-b8b6-435a2c657ad2.html" that's one for you as well. This is why I'm not alone on the train of thought perhaps the way to go is a game managing QB with talent around them.

p.s. It's *you're. If you're going to use your opinion in two sentences to invalidate everything I wrote with no backing whatsoever. You might as well try to get some of your grammar correct. Maybe that's the easiest way to get 3600+ posts in only 2 years as some kind of weird attempt to be a veteran on this board.

But you know what go ahead respond with what I know you're going to.."pshh whatever ..you know nothing about football, you don't give up a QB who gives you a chance to the SB making it into the playoffs every year". Whelp yeah he's been in the playoffs every year, how many SBs has he won, been to, or even NFCCG since getting paid? oh thats right ZERO. Thats another fact for you.

ZagHawk wrote:

John63 wrote:

ZagHawk wrote:

K.J WRIGHT wrote:yes or no ?

Yes - Because the amount of cheap amazing rookie talent you could get plus a game managing QB would be more than RW does on his own...not to mention freeing up RW's salary also brings you in more talent. How many times have we seen a team of super stars with a game managing QB make it to the SB (and sometimes win) in the last 10 years? Just about every team not named Chiefs/Patriots was that team. BTW RW was that QB in 2012-2013, he is not the same QB today as he was back then, but at the same time is he 10x better (which is what his salary is) the answer is no, but i understand why you need to re-sign franchise QBs. All this being said, no team is going to give you 4 first round picks for Russ (especially not with his salary). So this is a silly question.

so glad your not the GM. Since nearly everything you said is wrong.

I love it when I put thoughts and try to find some backing into a post and then someone makes a lame ass attempt to invalidate anything with a single sentence with absolutely no backing on their end. At least when I got into it with LTH there was meaningful stuff on both ends to read and continue writing about. Your response is about the same as "quit drinking the kool aid bro"...nice one. Believe what you believe, that is fine, I will believe what I believe. The OP asked what people would do, I gave my honest opinion. Here's a fact for you, in the last like 5+ years no top paid QB has won a SB. Mahomes has a shot to break this stat, but until that happens, its still a FACT. You can google plenty of sources that proves that "https://www.cbs46.com/sports/qb-pay-doesnt-equate-to-super-bowls-in-nfl/article_23eb6d96-23c0-11e9-b8b6-435a2c657ad2.html" that's one for you as well. This is why I'm not alone on the train of thought perhaps the way to go is a game managing QB with talent around them.

p.s. It's *you're. If you're going to use your opinion in two sentences to invalidate everything I wrote with no backing whatsoever. You might as well try to get some of your grammar correct. Maybe that's the easiest way to get 3600+ posts in only 2 years as some kind of weird attempt to be a veteran on this board.

But you know what go ahead respond with what I know you're going to.."pshh whatever ..you know nothing about football, you don't give up a QB who gives you a chance to the SB making it into the playoffs every year". Whelp yeah he's been in the playoffs every year, how many SBs has he won, been to, or even NFCCG since getting paid? oh thats right ZERO. Thats another fact for you.

I dont need to as this has been talked about on here many times. When it comes right down to it, the FACTS show you need a TOP Qb to be competitive. You get an outlier everyone in a while Dilfer being the most recent and even he did not keep them competitive year in and out he just caught lightning in a bottle for one year. But you need a top QB to be competitive year in and year out. it's the facts period. As the Giants proved several years ago as well as many others once your in anything can happen. But you need to get in, to do that you need to be competitive and to be competitive you need a top QB those are the facts.

ZagHawk wrote:

John63 wrote:

ZagHawk wrote:

K.J WRIGHT wrote:yes or no ?

Yes - Because the amount of cheap amazing rookie talent you could get plus a game managing QB would be more than RW does on his own...not to mention freeing up RW's salary also brings you in more talent. How many times have we seen a team of super stars with a game managing QB make it to the SB (and sometimes win) in the last 10 years? Just about every team not named Chiefs/Patriots was that team. BTW RW was that QB in 2012-2013, he is not the same QB today as he was back then, but at the same time is he 10x better (which is what his salary is) the answer is no, but i understand why you need to re-sign franchise QBs. All this being said, no team is going to give you 4 first round picks for Russ (especially not with his salary). So this is a silly question.

so glad your not the GM. Since nearly everything you said is wrong.

I love it when I put thoughts and try to find some backing into a post and then someone makes a lame ass attempt to invalidate anything with a single sentence with absolutely no backing on their end. At least when I got into it with LTH there was meaningful stuff on both ends to read and continue writing about. Your response is about the same as "quit drinking the kool aid bro"...nice one. Believe what you believe, that is fine, I will believe what I believe. The OP asked what people would do, I gave my honest opinion. Here's a fact for you, in the last like 5+ years no top paid QB has won a SB. Mahomes has a shot to break this stat, but until that happens, its still a FACT. You can google plenty of sources that proves that "https://www.cbs46.com/sports/qb-pay-doesnt-equate-to-super-bowls-in-nfl/article_23eb6d96-23c0-11e9-b8b6-435a2c657ad2.html" that's one for you as well. This is why I'm not alone on the train of thought perhaps the way to go is a game managing QB with talent around them.

p.s. It's *you're. If you're going to use your opinion in two sentences to invalidate everything I wrote with no backing whatsoever. You might as well try to get some of your grammar correct. Maybe that's the easiest way to get 3600+ posts in only 2 years as some kind of weird attempt to be a veteran on this board.

But you know what go ahead respond with what I know you're going to.."pshh whatever ..you know nothing about football, you don't give up a QB who gives you a chance to the SB making it into the playoffs every year". Whelp yeah he's been in the playoffs every year, how many SBs has he won, been to, or even NFCCG since getting paid? oh thats right ZERO. Thats another fact for you.

A great post ...It has good thoughts and facts

Sure, if all 4 were first overall.

In 4-5 years? That's a much more interesting discussion (even though it's very unrealistic if not impossible right?). It's yet to be seen how Russell will play if he slows down more.

Right now as far as I'm concerned our team would suck without Wilson, I would never even consider letting him go.

ZagHawk wrote:

K.J WRIGHT wrote:yes or no ?

Yes - Because the amount of cheap amazing rookie talent you could get plus a game managing QB would be more than RW does on his own...not to mention freeing up RW's salary also brings you in more talent. How many times have we seen a team of super stars with a game managing QB make it to the SB (and sometimes win) in the last 10 years? Just about every team not named Chiefs/Patriots was that team. BTW RW was that QB in 2012-2013, he is not the same QB today as he was back then, but at the same time is he 10x better (which is what his salary is) the answer is no, but i understand why you need to re-sign franchise QBs. All this being said, no team is going to give you 4 first round picks for Russ (especially not with his salary). So this is a silly question.

Do you have the names and salaries of the last 10 years of game managing QBs to make it to the super bowl? I dont think thats the right way to go about it, unless you mean QBs on rookie deals, which i would then get but then also ask, do you feel confident in Pete and Johns ability to draft a QB based on the history of their QB acquisitions?

Now to me, i think youd have to factor in a few things, like if you plan on using one of those immediate firsts to draft a QB to try and take advantage of the cheap contract (unless you somehow believe they would hit on a mid-late round pick again which statistically throughout the history of the NFL has shown to be extremely unlikely) or if you would try and roll with an "average" QB paying him the going rate which looks to be 18-22m a year, about half the rate of russ' contract. Plus another thing youd have to factor in would be the team you trade him to. If its a team thats a QB away, then that would also mean your first rounders have a much higher chance of being lower draft picks as well, which would then go back to your confidence in P&J's history of drafting late first rounders.

All in all i think its a pretty tough decision either way, and it would be something that could also potentially affect other members of the team to see pete essentially trading away focus on immediate success for potential success in the future, a future they may or may not be a part of. Id think about it, because again 4 firsts is a hell of a lot of picks, but i still dont know how you pull the trigger there. Maybe if it was say jacksonville and russ wanted out.

Tmagopis wrote:

K.J WRIGHT wrote:yes or no ?

Absolutely I would. Wilson can be replaced, especially with this offense with another serviceable quarterback. I believe we would still be 12-4 with a Tannehill or Fitzatrick as QB. Heck If we had Kaepernick I think wed still have roughly the same record. I just dont think our team functions well when Russ throws the rock 30+ times a game. Your typical drop back passer is not what Wilsons strength is, and its what Schottenhimer seems to insist on having his QB do. A true pocket passer, even if they are less talented overall I bet would yield the same result this year.

Im sure plenty will disagree, always hard to go against a popular player like russ and I like the guy. I just dont think he plays to the strengths of this team the way its set up. If we honestly had a taller QB, we could use our TE's and RB's more in the passing game which I think Schotty would love to do, but its hard for wilson just to see them sometimes. Wilson is best in space with boots, moving the pocket, and when things break down.

With 4 1st rd picks I think you could get a ton, honestly id trade russ to primarily to get rid of the salary. 35 million ~20% of the cap would be freed up PLUS those picks? Id take the trade.

A QB that has never missed a game. That has won even when the team is badly injured. Who has led the league in touchdown passes dating back to 2017. That has never had a losing season. That has worked with literally any receiver we’ve drafted. That has the 2nd most rushing yards on the team.

That QB, according to you is replaceable. And according to others, a game manager. Can’t make this stuff up. I’m not even angry

This...

pmedic920 wrote:Hell no.


Russ is a once in a generation type QB. He’s a good fit for the Seahawks.

It could be YEARS before an suitable or even serviceable replacement was found.

Well, and this...

seabowl wrote:How quickly people forget the first 36 years.

This too...

Fade wrote:Nope.

It took 36 years for the franchise to draft a HoF QB.

The Browns, and Dolphins collected a ton of picks. And they now are saddled to Baker Mayfield, and Tua. Very talented rosters, and coaching staffs, but they aren't winning anything in the next 5 years.

Look at Pete's choices at QB before Russ. Charlie Whitehurst and Matt Flynn. Hell no.

This team is not setup to groom and develop young QBs, either. It would be a disaster. With their Marty Ball offense, straight out of 1996. Even if they were given 10 first round picks. They would have a talented roster for sure, but I all but guarantee they would suck at QB. So they would be a 7-9 type of franchise. See the 2011 Seahawks. #2 Scoring Defense, Top 5 running game. Meh at QB.

I'd take a 4th rounder

Neither a 4th nor (4) 1st round picks are realistic, but I would trade him this offseason.

Good player, great teammate, but he has lost the Momba mentality. Mr. Safe. Hate me if you will, I get it. I'm grateful for everything he has done in the past, but even Joe Montana finished somewhere else. As good as Russ is touted, ask yourself why is this team not a killer? Supposedly loaded at QB, WR and RB. Hot defense. And yet, this offense performs like a rookie is at the helmet. Why?

absolutely - no doubt

I think it depends on your philosophy for the team. We can't be in-between. We either need to invest in Russ and pay for legit offensive line talent, or we need to trade him and build a defensive / run first team. Right now, we have no identity.

I love russ, but absolutely. Just the draft savings on rookie contracts opens up a ton of room.

No one gives us 4 first rounders for RW. We're lucky if we get 2 after this trash half of the season and egg drop in the playoffs. Dude is done.

If we're playcalling like we did today, and the last half of the season, yes. I'd trade him. You dont need a $40M dollar man, that has limited options as a result of poorly designed routes. Nor do you need a game manager.

If you're willing to open it up, keep em.

Depends on where I’m picking those four picks in the first round but if they’re high pics man that be hard not to

If the trade got me Trevor Lawrence + I would. Any other picks pass.

flmmkrz wrote:If the trade got me Trevor Lawrence + I would. Any other picks pass.

Was about to ask this. It's tempting and I wonder if the Jags would do it. I think John would.

Without even a second thought. And this isn't even a Deshaun Watson situation where the picks would automatically be in the 20's, Wilson is at the tail end of his career and we'd get tremendous value out of the picks.

I’d trade Wilson for Lawrence and another 1st round pick. Also whoever the jags best OL is.

BEEP !!

We have no idea how good Russ would be without Pete holding him back.

gowazzu02 wrote:No, if you have a all pro/hof type qb you have a chance every year. Like we've had the past 10 years.

Would you trade Russ for Haskins, Wentz, Goff, Mariota, Jones, Darnold, Rosen, Murray just a few of the recent 1st rd qb's we've seen taken.

I'd take Josh Allen over Russ.