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Hawks vs rams post game thoughts.
Sat Jan 09, 2021 5:48 pm
  • Talk.
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Re: Hawks vs rams post game thoughts.
Sat Jan 09, 2021 5:52 pm
  • Every coach and player involved with the offense need to be held accountable
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Re: Hawks vs rams post game thoughts.
Sat Jan 09, 2021 5:53 pm
  • Great game by Rams. One of the worst Seahawks playoff performances I can remember. What else is there to discuss?
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Re: Hawks vs rams post game thoughts.
Sat Jan 09, 2021 5:59 pm
  • Fire Pete and the entire staff. Fly to Buffalo and throw a plane load of $$$ at Brian Daboll.
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Re: Hawks vs rams post game thoughts.
Sat Jan 09, 2021 6:01 pm
  • I think its time to move on. I am tired of ill prepared game plans and constant penalties. Why we can't get plays off on time is beyond me but its a continual issue with Petes teams.
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Re: Hawks vs rams post game thoughts.
Sat Jan 09, 2021 6:03 pm
  • Why does Russ looks rattled every time he plays the Rams. It's like he's too worried about his stats and not turning the ball over instead of playing his game and going for the kill. He goes from alpha to pu$$y every time he plays the Rams. So annoyed


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Re: Hawks vs rams post game thoughts.
Sat Jan 09, 2021 6:06 pm
  • Natethegreat wrote:I think its time to move on. I am tired of ill prepared game plans and constant penalties. Why we can't get plays off on time is beyond me but its a continual issue with Petes teams.


    Bingo. Each one of those issues is a coaching issue. Was there even an actual game plan today? You play this team twice a year and you can't figure something out? That is your job. That is what you get paid to do.
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Re: Hawks vs rams post game thoughts.
Sat Jan 09, 2021 6:07 pm
  • The Rams recently lost to the Jets. Their $100 million QB is essentially missing his thumb.

    That is all.
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Re: Hawks vs rams post game thoughts.
Sat Jan 09, 2021 6:09 pm
  • My thoughts:
    1. The older russ gets the more he seems to panic and doesn’t adjust
    2. Our OC and head coach clearly don’t understand how you can adapt
    3. We can’t ever be good on both sides of the ball..ever
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Hawks vs rams post game thoughts.
Sat Jan 09, 2021 6:10 pm
  • I’m not a fire Pete or fire Russ guy. But I am REALLY not in the mood for their “positive” BS right now or tomorrow. I want them to be as visibly pissed off as I am.

    “We know we still have a great team, wer’rr so close we just need to... “.

    Don’t want to hear it Russ!

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Re: Hawks vs rams post game thoughts.
Sat Jan 09, 2021 6:12 pm
  • No excuse for being so unprepared, for penalties and for no emotion from beginning to end.

    Pathetic!
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Re: Hawks vs rams post game thoughts.
Sat Jan 09, 2021 6:13 pm
  • Ready for changes. No matter how big or small....something needs to change.
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Re: Hawks vs rams post game thoughts.
Sat Jan 09, 2021 6:13 pm
  • One word...pretenders
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Re: Hawks vs rams post game thoughts.
Sat Jan 09, 2021 6:20 pm
  • Not a fun team to watch this year . They had a better record this year but they were a better team last year . I'm not sure what they can really do to improve either very few picks compared to years past none in the first round for the next 2 years . I wish i could be positive but realistically this team is in trouble.
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Re: Hawks vs rams post game thoughts.
Sat Jan 09, 2021 6:24 pm
  • I said before this game, Seattle needs to be prepared for a conservative offense.

    Carroll will not be replaced because too many people here and in the ownership accept he has one Super Bowl and think he is untouchable.
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Re: Hawks vs rams post game thoughts.
Sat Jan 09, 2021 6:28 pm
  • I dont think you can put this all on the coaches.

    Truth - Russell is the best qb tgr franchise has ever had.

    Truth - it's been shown time and time again that his stature does impact his ability to see the whole field, particularly on crossing routes over the middle.

    I think at some point you might have to consider that that limitation hands the defense a considerable advantage. They essentially don't have to cover a wide selection of routes and in particular, quick throws. After a while, the book is out on how to stop them. And every year becomes a scheming exercise as to how to draw up (or cover up) the offenses limitations. This year those schemes worked for 6 games until we were solved.. push the pocket up the middle,, stand up the o linemen. Clog up passing lanes and Russ will HAVE to hold the ball.

    Not being able to hit over the middle, short and medium routes is a consistent issue and after 9 years, I find it hard to belive that coaches just refuse to call those plays because the just forget to. Either they are inept, or they should be hailed geniuses for working around those things the offense just can't do because of Russ's inability to hit certain throws.

    Like I said, I love him. But at a certain point you have to weigh whether it's more likely that all the coaches are just insane, or that the issue is with the QB. Amd not his ability, talent, heart, smarts or HOF fight, but a simple limitation.
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Re: Hawks vs rams post game thoughts.
Sat Jan 09, 2021 6:29 pm
  • Seattle tried to do too much on offense, all they had to do was run the damn ball.

    Negative
    - Way too many penalties
    - Costly turnovers
    - Metcalf thinking about himself change the mood of the gameplan
    -Offensive line cant block
    -Terrible play calling
    -Wilson should just throw the damn ball away or just run
    -Too many drop passess

    Complete team failure

    Positive
    - Congrats to Meyers on a perfect kicking season!
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Re: Hawks vs rams post game thoughts.
Sat Jan 09, 2021 6:36 pm
  • keasley45 wrote:I dont think you can put this all on the coaches.

    Truth - Russell is the best qb tgr franchise has ever had.

    Truth - it's been shown time and time again that his stature does impact his ability to see the whole field, particularly on crossing routes over the middle.

    I think at some point you might have to consider that that limitation hands the defense a considerable advantage. They essentially don't have to cover a wide selection of routes and in particular, quick throws. After a while, the book is out on how to stop them. And every year becomes a scheming exercise as to how to draw up (or cover up) the offenses limitations. This year those schemes worked for 6 games until we were solved.. push the pocket up the middle,, stand up the o linemen. Clog up passing lanes and Russ will HAVE to hold the ball.

    Not being able to hit over the middle, short and medium routes is a consistent issue and after 9 years, I find it hard to belive that coaches just refuse to call those plays because the just forget to. Either they are inept, or they should be hailed geniuses for working around those things the offense just can't do because of Russ's inability to hit certain throws.

    Like I said, I love him. But at a certain point you have to weigh whether it's more likely that all the coaches are just insane, or that the issue is with the QB. Amd not his ability, talent, heart, smarts or HOF fight, but a simple limitation.


    I should say that it's not that defenses flat don't have to cover receivers, but they can take risks in rush packages and roll coverages in such a way because they aren't afraid of certain routes.
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Re: Hawks vs rams post game thoughts.
Sat Jan 09, 2021 6:36 pm
  • Zybot wrote:Great game by Rams. One of the worst Seahawks playoff performances I can remember. What else is there to discuss?


    Hey man, it’s commendable how easily you rinse off a loss like this with zero critical analysis. I really hope that’s what this organization is doing. I hope they don’t even think about what might have happened. Hey, it happens, right? I mean, it’s the NFL, right? Anyone can beat anyone. Just be happy we get to watch a playoff team, right?
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Re: Hawks vs rams post game thoughts.
Sat Jan 09, 2021 6:43 pm
  • The Rams wanted us.

    They knew exactly what we were.

    A team with an overrated QB that played not to lose. Would come in with substandard gameplans, and give you every chance to win the game. We would even spot you multiple scores by halftime.

    And all you had to do was take a lead while they drained their own clock down, never bothered adjusting, and eventually a fumble or bad call would give you the game.

    They never expected to lose their QB or best defender, but even then...Carroll was going to do everything he could to give them that game by not even coming in prepared to create effective matchups. Carroll would go in lazily trying to do what they always did, making it easy to prepare for.

    The Rams were right and easily beat us. Even without an effective QB and their best defender.

    Our 12 wins were smoke and mirrors. We were never that good because our coach was always the problem and our coordinators were never really that good.

    They did whatever they wanted. Caught us completely off guard and knew exactly what we would do, because we always do that. And so they easily stopped us.

    They were probably dancing they got the matchup with us because they knew it would be a cakewalk to prepare for us.
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Re: Hawks vs rams post game thoughts.
Sat Jan 09, 2021 6:43 pm
  • I am not happy, and blame goes everywhere, BUT I am blaming that Opie Taylor gaming commish for not letting Gordon play. Gordon would have made a huge difference, and I still think that stupid gaming commish has it out for Seattle for whatever reason, and no one will convince me otherwise. That gaming commish has a hard on for a KC vs GB SB, and I bet the house that's what it's gonna be.
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Re: Hawks vs rams post game thoughts.
Sat Jan 09, 2021 6:47 pm
  • Someone needs to be held accountable.

    This offense was a joke for the second half of the season.

    Next.
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Re: Hawks vs rams post game thoughts.
Sat Jan 09, 2021 6:52 pm
  • Since 2009, the Hawks have won every Home Playoff game on the first weekend. Think of it......eleven straight Home wins on the 1st weekend of the Playoffs. Something needs to change at the front office based on what we saw today.
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Re: Hawks vs rams post game thoughts.
Sat Jan 09, 2021 6:54 pm
  • I’m not surprised by the result of this game ,I’m not surprised at how bad we played, I’m not surprised that we made no adjustments ,I’m not surprised that Russell Wilson has regressed greatly anyone that follows him on any social media knows this to be true and what the distraction is .I’m not surprised my PC press conferences .I’m not surprised by the lack of changes ,I’m sorry but I’m just not surprised at any of this !anybody with eyes could’ve seen this coming .this whole season coming a few seasons ago .this IMHO is the worst 12 and 4 team in NFL history. pretenders right out the gate. I believe we need to draft a quarterback to put some pressure on Russell Wilson .I believe he’s distracted with other engagements . The only thing I hope for is that somebody notices this stuff somebody actually takes a deep look inside themselves and make some real changes. It starts with P Carol stop this nonsense you can’t win the game in the first quarter second quarter third quarter crap it has handicapped this team greatly. The clock management has been garbage for years and years .we don’t know how to use a time out correctly it would seem and we make the stupidest challenges I’ve ever seen a coach ever do. With all of that said I still believe we’re good team Russell Wilson needs to take a pay cut to get the proper people upfront to block for him if that doesn’t happen we will never see anything good out of Russell Wilson again. Is it just my opinions worth nothing.
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Re: Hawks vs rams post game thoughts.
Sat Jan 09, 2021 6:59 pm
  • keasley45 wrote:I dont think you can put this all on the coaches.

    Truth - Russell is the best qb tgr franchise has ever had.

    Truth - it's been shown time and time again that his stature does impact his ability to see the whole field, particularly on crossing routes over the middle.

    I think at some point you might have to consider that that limitation hands the defense a considerable advantage. They essentially don't have to cover a wide selection of routes and in particular, quick throws. After a while, the book is out on how to stop them. And every year becomes a scheming exercise as to how to draw up (or cover up) the offenses limitations. This year those schemes worked for 6 games until we were solved.. push the pocket up the middle,, stand up the o linemen. Clog up passing lanes and Russ will HAVE to hold the ball.

    Not being able to hit over the middle, short and medium routes is a consistent issue and after 9 years, I find it hard to belive that coaches just refuse to call those plays because the just forget to. Either they are inept, or they should be hailed geniuses for working around those things the offense just can't do because of Russ's inability to hit certain throws.

    Like I said, I love him. But at a certain point you have to weigh whether it's more likely that all the coaches are just insane, or that the issue is with the QB. Amd not his ability, talent, heart, smarts or HOF fight, but a simple limitation.
    This is what I see as well. I went back and watched some sack footage of Russ this year to try to evaluate the “we only call deep shots” claim and what I saw were crossers, hitches, etc all over the place. Teams that were outplaying our OL would blanket those routes, but even when they weren’t blanketed, we just do not exercise those middle options as much as other NFL teams do routinely.

    That results in Russ holding the ball and we say the routes are all long because anything over 5 yards is out of the broadcast picture. A 7 yard hitch takes almost no time to develop but you cannot see it in broadcast.

    In early games we were more effective in the middle and I don’t know if that is a result of more man coverage so Russ doesn’t fear a lurker outside his throwing lane or what.

    Bottom line, the trend is that especially in zone, I’d what the defense gives us is underneath, we can’t take it reliably.
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Re: Hawks vs rams post game thoughts.
Sat Jan 09, 2021 7:12 pm
  • This season besides watching the hawks and having football due to covid was a letdown. We won 12 games and got throttled at home by a broken thumbed qb.

    At the same time we loved the LOB and how they shut teams down. The rams defense is elite and allows 18ppg. Russ pick 6 was the downfall.
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Re: Hawks vs rams post game thoughts.
Sat Jan 09, 2021 7:14 pm
  • No matter how much anyone wants to blame the coaches and QB, the truth is that football is won in the trenches. Their offensive line pushed our defensive line around most of the game. Their defensive line played on our side of the line of the scrimmage for most of the game. It really is that simple. The plays Wilson was clean in the pocket, the receivers were not open for the most part. You can scheme around the fact that the D-Line is owning you only so much. If we had run more early to wear them down, maybe we win.
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Re: Hawks vs rams post game thoughts.
Sat Jan 09, 2021 7:25 pm
  • dopeboy206 wrote:Why does Russ looks rattled every time he plays the Rams. It's like he's too worried about his stats and not turning the ball over instead of playing his game and going for the kill. He goes from alpha to pu$$y every time he plays the Rams. So annoyed


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    Yeah the hit. Sacked, hurried, and pressured in over 70% of his drop backs gave nothing to do with it at all. Or the horrific game plan
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Re: Hawks vs rams post game thoughts.
Sat Jan 09, 2021 7:33 pm
  • Did anyone honestly, truly, expect anything different? No. Everyone on this board knows this. They play the same utterly flaccid deathbed football every single year and then we feign outrage when surprise surprise they play the same completely useless football in the playoffs. This is the absolute dullest, most feckless, and most milquetoast team in the NFL, especially given their talent level.

    Literally everyone knew this would happen. It will happen again next year. It will happen again the year after that, and then the year after that, and the year after that as well. Maybe if it happens for another 50 or 60 years maybe then people will finally realize that Pete and Russ are overrated and washed up and that going 11-5/12-4 every year means absolutely nothing if you play the dullest style in the league and lose in the playoffs every single year.

    Pete and Russ should both be gone. They won't be. Because the more things change, the more they stay the same.
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Re: Hawks vs rams post game thoughts.
Sat Jan 09, 2021 7:35 pm
  • ducks41468 wrote:Did anyone honestly, truly, expect anything different? No. Everyone on this board knows this. They play the same utterly flaccid deathbed football every single year and then we feign outrage when surprise surprise they play the same completely useless football in the playoffs. This is the absolute dullest, most feckless, and most milquetoast team in the NFL, especially given their talent level.

    Literally everyone knew this would happen. It will happen again next year. It will happen again the year after that, and then the year after that, and the year after that as well. Maybe if it happens for another 50 or 60 years maybe then people will finally realize that Pete and Russ are overrated and washed up and that going 11-5/12-4 every year means absolutely nothing if you play the dullest style in the league and lose in the playoffs every single year.

    Pete and Russ should both be gone. They won't be. Because the more things change, the more they stay the same.



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Re: Hawks vs rams post game thoughts.
Sat Jan 09, 2021 7:46 pm
  • Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Obviously, something major needs to change, because what we saw today was hot garbage.
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Re: Hawks vs rams post game thoughts.
Sat Jan 09, 2021 7:55 pm
  • WarHawks wrote:Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Obviously, something major needs to change, because what we saw today was hot garbage.


    The lingering question is WHY they keep doing the same thing.

    Is it a player or is it a coach that's the cause.
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Re: Hawks vs rams post game thoughts.
Sat Jan 09, 2021 8:21 pm
  • I think AD is the most dominating player in the league and I don't think there is even an argument there... Clearly the Rams D is the best in the league they proved that tonight. You could look at this as being a complete loss or you could just call it what it is and give credit to where credit is due...

    Pete Carroll isn't going anywhere...But the fan base will still call for his head rather than appreciate his accomplishments and that's fine...people are people and the negativity will always be there, it's what makes victory's that much sweeter...

    This theory that the Hawks have to be perfect every year and if they are not then it's cause to blow it up is unrealistic IMO... The misunderstanding that people have concerning this season being something this team should not be proud of is ridiculous... Personally I'm really sad some of you didn't enjoy the season... I had a blast I was thoroughly entertained...

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Re: Hawks vs rams post game thoughts.
Sat Jan 09, 2021 8:40 pm
  • Zybot wrote:Great game by Rams. One of the worst Seahawks playoff performances I can remember. What else is there to discuss?


    Since 2004?
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Re: Hawks vs rams post game thoughts.
Sat Jan 09, 2021 8:43 pm
  • LTH wrote:I think AD is the most dominating player in the league and I don't think there is even an argument there... Clearly the Rams D is the best in the league they proved that tonight. You could look at this as being a complete loss or you could just call it what it is and give credit to where credit is due...

    Pete Carroll isn't going anywhere...But the fan base will still call for his head rather than appreciate his accomplishments and that's fine...people are people and the negativity will always be there, it's what makes victory's that much sweeter...

    This theory that the Hawks have to be perfect every year and if they are not then it's cause to blow it up is unrealistic IMO... The misunderstanding that people have concerning this season being something this team should not be proud of is ridiculous... Personally I'm really sad some of you didn't enjoy the season... I had a blast I was thoroughly entertained...

    LTH


    IMO.

    This was going to be a school yard fight. And it was.

    Unlike the other WC games this weekend. Ours was two teams who know and hate each other.
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Re: Hawks vs rams post game thoughts.
Sat Jan 09, 2021 8:51 pm
  • RedAlice wrote:
    LTH wrote:I think AD is the most dominating player in the league and I don't think there is even an argument there... Clearly the Rams D is the best in the league they proved that tonight. You could look at this as being a complete loss or you could just call it what it is and give credit to where credit is due...

    Pete Carroll isn't going anywhere...But the fan base will still call for his head rather than appreciate his accomplishments and that's fine...people are people and the negativity will always be there, it's what makes victory's that much sweeter...

    This theory that the Hawks have to be perfect every year and if they are not then it's cause to blow it up is unrealistic IMO... The misunderstanding that people have concerning this season being something this team should not be proud of is ridiculous... Personally I'm really sad some of you didn't enjoy the season... I had a blast I was thoroughly entertained...

    LTH


    IMO.

    This was going to be a school yard fight. And it was.

    Unlike the other WC games this weekend. Ours was two teams who know and hate each other.



    It's not just our teams the whole west is insane...I don't care what anybody says the Niners are a good football team that is well coached with a GM that drafts really well... this is the most competitive division in football...and they all hate each other LOL

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Re: Hawks vs rams post game thoughts.
Sat Jan 09, 2021 8:54 pm
  • LTH wrote:
    RedAlice wrote:
    LTH wrote:I think AD is the most dominating player in the league and I don't think there is even an argument there... Clearly the Rams D is the best in the league they proved that tonight. You could look at this as being a complete loss or you could just call it what it is and give credit to where credit is due...

    Pete Carroll isn't going anywhere...But the fan base will still call for his head rather than appreciate his accomplishments and that's fine...people are people and the negativity will always be there, it's what makes victory's that much sweeter...

    This theory that the Hawks have to be perfect every year and if they are not then it's cause to blow it up is unrealistic IMO... The misunderstanding that people have concerning this season being something this team should not be proud of is ridiculous... Personally I'm really sad some of you didn't enjoy the season... I had a blast I was thoroughly entertained...

    LTH


    IMO.

    This was going to be a school yard fight. And it was.

    Unlike the other WC games this weekend. Ours was two teams who know and hate each other.



    It's not just our teams the whole west is insane...I don't care what anybody says the Niners are a good football team that is well coached with a GM that drafts really well... this is the most competitive division in football...and they all hate each other LOL

    LTH


    On that, we agree.

    I’d also add AZ. They are coming up very strong.
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Re: Hawks vs rams post game thoughts.
Sat Jan 09, 2021 8:54 pm
  • RedAlice wrote:
    Zybot wrote:Great game by Rams. One of the worst Seahawks playoff performances I can remember. What else is there to discuss?


    Since 2004?

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Re: Hawks vs rams post game thoughts.
Sat Jan 09, 2021 8:58 pm
  • keasley45 wrote:
    keasley45 wrote:I dont think you can put this all on the coaches.

    Truth - Russell is the best qb tgr franchise has ever had.

    Truth - it's been shown time and time again that his stature does impact his ability to see the whole field, particularly on crossing routes over the middle.

    I think at some point you might have to consider that that limitation hands the defense a considerable advantage. They essentially don't have to cover a wide selection of routes and in particular, quick throws. After a while, the book is out on how to stop them. And every year becomes a scheming exercise as to how to draw up (or cover up) the offenses limitations. This year those schemes worked for 6 games until we were solved.. push the pocket up the middle,, stand up the o linemen. Clog up passing lanes and Russ will HAVE to hold the ball.

    Not being able to hit over the middle, short and medium routes is a consistent issue and after 9 years, I find it hard to belive that coaches just refuse to call those plays because the just forget to. Either they are inept, or they should be hailed geniuses for working around those things the offense just can't do because of Russ's inability to hit certain throws.

    Like I said, I love him. But at a certain point you have to weigh whether it's more likely that all the coaches are just insane, or that the issue is with the QB. Amd not his ability, talent, heart, smarts or HOF fight, but a simple limitation.


    I should say that it's not that defenses flat don't have to cover receivers, but they can take risks in rush packages and roll coverages in such a way because they aren't afraid of certain routes.


    I'm telling you nobody is getting open. It's not Russ height. The defense of the other teams are better.
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Re: Hawks vs rams post game thoughts.
Sat Jan 09, 2021 9:38 pm
  • jamescasey1124 wrote:
    keasley45 wrote:
    keasley45 wrote:I dont think you can put this all on the coaches.

    Truth - Russell is the best qb tgr franchise has ever had.

    Truth - it's been shown time and time again that his stature does impact his ability to see the whole field, particularly on crossing routes over the middle.

    I think at some point you might have to consider that that limitation hands the defense a considerable advantage. They essentially don't have to cover a wide selection of routes and in particular, quick throws. After a while, the book is out on how to stop them. And every year becomes a scheming exercise as to how to draw up (or cover up) the offenses limitations. This year those schemes worked for 6 games until we were solved.. push the pocket up the middle,, stand up the o linemen. Clog up passing lanes and Russ will HAVE to hold the ball.

    Not being able to hit over the middle, short and medium routes is a consistent issue and after 9 years, I find it hard to belive that coaches just refuse to call those plays because the just forget to. Either they are inept, or they should be hailed geniuses for working around those things the offense just can't do because of Russ's inability to hit certain throws.

    Like I said, I love him. But at a certain point you have to weigh whether it's more likely that all the coaches are just insane, or that the issue is with the QB. Amd not his ability, talent, heart, smarts or HOF fight, but a simple limitation.


    I should say that it's not that defenses flat don't have to cover receivers, but they can take risks in rush packages and roll coverages in such a way because they aren't afraid of certain routes.


    I'm telling you nobody is getting open. It's not Russ height. The defense of the other teams are better.


    That's just not true. I have all 22 and watch the same thing every weekend. When pressure comes we have no answer. Russ, although he often has an outlet or a crosser won't pull the trigger.

    The thing that's difficult to understand is why we seem to have almost eliminated crosses and shallows from the playcalling. Maybe it is just as simple as them knowing that Russ isn't going to hit them because he can't often see them and that makes them too high risk.
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Re: Hawks vs rams post game thoughts.
Sat Jan 09, 2021 9:57 pm
  • hawk45 wrote:
    keasley45 wrote:I dont think you can put this all on the coaches.

    Truth - Russell is the best qb tgr franchise has ever had.

    Truth - it's been shown time and time again that his stature does impact his ability to see the whole field, particularly on crossing routes over the middle.

    I think at some point you might have to consider that that limitation hands the defense a considerable advantage. They essentially don't have to cover a wide selection of routes and in particular, quick throws. After a while, the book is out on how to stop them. And every year becomes a scheming exercise as to how to draw up (or cover up) the offenses limitations. This year those schemes worked for 6 games until we were solved.. push the pocket up the middle,, stand up the o linemen. Clog up passing lanes and Russ will HAVE to hold the ball.

    Not being able to hit over the middle, short and medium routes is a consistent issue and after 9 years, I find it hard to belive that coaches just refuse to call those plays because the just forget to. Either they are inept, or they should be hailed geniuses for working around those things the offense just can't do because of Russ's inability to hit certain throws.

    Like I said, I love him. But at a certain point you have to weigh whether it's more likely that all the coaches are just insane, or that the issue is with the QB. Amd not his ability, talent, heart, smarts or HOF fight, but a simple limitation.
    This is what I see as well. I went back and watched some sack footage of Russ this year to try to evaluate the “we only call deep shots” claim and what I saw were crossers, hitches, etc all over the place. Teams that were outplaying our OL would blanket those routes, but even when they weren’t blanketed, we just do not exercise those middle options as much as other NFL teams do routinely.

    That results in Russ holding the ball and we say the routes are all long because anything over 5 yards is out of the broadcast picture. A 7 yard hitch takes almost no time to develop but you cannot see it in broadcast.

    In early games we were more effective in the middle and I don’t know if that is a result of more man coverage so Russ doesn’t fear a lurker outside his throwing lane or what.

    Bottom line, the trend is that especially in zone, I’d what the defense gives us is underneath, we can’t take it reliably.

    I lean the same way as the both of you. It's impossible to accurately critique the OC from watching the broadcast angle. It's not much easier watching the coaches tape when you don't know what the call was and what the checks are on every single play.
    At some point when you have a recurring problem that exists after coaching changes, you have lay blame with the common denominator. In this case there are 2, Russ and Pete. Now as a fan with practically zero knowledge of what's happening you have to decide who to blame. You either have accept that Russ is the bigger issue or that all of the coaches we've had giving input on offense over the years are the most incompetent offensive coaches to ever grace the league. I know which side I'd put my money on.

    The truth as always is that the blame is gonna be split between Russ and Pete to some degree. I can see it being 60/40 Russ/Pete at best for Russ and I think most of Pete's blame lies is the admin realm more so than day to day game plan stuff.
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Re: Hawks vs rams post game thoughts.
Sat Jan 09, 2021 10:16 pm
  • OrangeGravy wrote:
    hawk45 wrote:
    keasley45 wrote:I dont think you can put this all on the coaches.

    Truth - Russell is the best qb tgr franchise has ever had.

    Truth - it's been shown time and time again that his stature does impact his ability to see the whole field, particularly on crossing routes over the middle.

    I think at some point you might have to consider that that limitation hands the defense a considerable advantage. They essentially don't have to cover a wide selection of routes and in particular, quick throws. After a while, the book is out on how to stop them. And every year becomes a scheming exercise as to how to draw up (or cover up) the offenses limitations. This year those schemes worked for 6 games until we were solved.. push the pocket up the middle,, stand up the o linemen. Clog up passing lanes and Russ will HAVE to hold the ball.

    Not being able to hit over the middle, short and medium routes is a consistent issue and after 9 years, I find it hard to belive that coaches just refuse to call those plays because the just forget to. Either they are inept, or they should be hailed geniuses for working around those things the offense just can't do because of Russ's inability to hit certain throws.

    Like I said, I love him. But at a certain point you have to weigh whether it's more likely that all the coaches are just insane, or that the issue is with the QB. Amd not his ability, talent, heart, smarts or HOF fight, but a simple limitation.
    This is what I see as well. I went back and watched some sack footage of Russ this year to try to evaluate the “we only call deep shots” claim and what I saw were crossers, hitches, etc all over the place. Teams that were outplaying our OL would blanket those routes, but even when they weren’t blanketed, we just do not exercise those middle options as much as other NFL teams do routinely.

    That results in Russ holding the ball and we say the routes are all long because anything over 5 yards is out of the broadcast picture. A 7 yard hitch takes almost no time to develop but you cannot see it in broadcast.

    In early games we were more effective in the middle and I don’t know if that is a result of more man coverage so Russ doesn’t fear a lurker outside his throwing lane or what.

    Bottom line, the trend is that especially in zone, I’d what the defense gives us is underneath, we can’t take it reliably.

    I lean the same way as the both of you. It's impossible to accurately critique the OC from watching the broadcast angle. It's not much easier watching the coaches tape when you don't know what the call was and what the checks are on every single play.
    At some point when you have a recurring problem that exists after coaching changes, you have lay blame with the common denominator. In this case there are 2, Russ and Pete. Now as a fan with practically zero knowledge of what's happening you have to decide who to blame. You either have accept that Russ is the bigger issue or that all of the coaches we've had giving input on offense over the years are the most incompetent offensive coaches to ever grace the league. I know which side I'd put my money on.

    The truth as always is that the blame is gonna be split between Russ and Pete to some degree. I can see it being 60/40 Russ/Pete at best for Russ and I think most of Pete's blame lies is the admin realm more so than day to day game plan stuff.


    Agree 100%. Even listening to Pete this year post-game, there are times when he's wondered why we don't take the shorter stuff. And there have been several times when he's seemed as confused about what the passing strategy has been as anyone. We, on the outside, with our predisposition to lay blame at Pete for wanting to just pound the rock and play the game close, just assume that he's been upset at the 'let russ cook' strategy. I don't know that that's the whole story.

    And so if Pete is confused then that pushes the responsibility to Schotty and Russ. And I'm sorry,but with Russ at year 9, I find it hard to believe that he isn't involved in the strategy and is just hopelessly walked out onto the field and forced to run what's called. I tbink its more likely that he and schotty develop the plan together and when it comes to the pass play selections that make it into the Sunday plan (and don't), Russ is with it.

    Look, some QBs aren't mobile, so if they don't have protection, the are doomed to fail. Others can't throw deep outs. Others can't hit the long ball. Defenses figure them out and scheme to exploit those wesknesses, give those plays to the opposing offense more willingly, knowing the likelihood that the O will hit them is low. But what does it look like when you have a QB that can't hit hot routes close to the LOS or over the middle when a defense can get pressure consistently? I tbink it looks like what we have been seeing.
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Re: Hawks vs rams post game thoughts.
Sat Jan 09, 2021 10:21 pm
  • Did the Seahawks pick up Dwayne Haskins? Because Seahawk #3 played an awful lot like him. Of course, not all of it is on RW. His OL, OC, and HC didn’t do him any favors.
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Re: Hawks vs rams post game thoughts.
Sat Jan 09, 2021 10:40 pm
  • LTH wrote:I think AD is the most dominating player in the league and I don't think there is even an argument there... Clearly the Rams D is the best in the league they proved that tonight. You could look at this as being a complete loss or you could just call it what it is and give credit to where credit is due...

    Pete Carroll isn't going anywhere...But the fan base will still call for his head rather than appreciate his accomplishments and that's fine...people are people and the negativity will always be there, it's what makes victory's that much sweeter...

    This theory that the Hawks have to be perfect every year and if they are not then it's cause to blow it up is unrealistic IMO... The misunderstanding that people have concerning this season being something this team should not be proud of is ridiculous... Personally I'm really sad some of you didn't enjoy the season... I had a blast I was thoroughly entertained...

    LTH


    I appreciate PC's accomplishments and think he is the best HC the Seahawks' have ever had.

    I am ready to move on.

    The two are not mutually exclusive.

    I was optimistic about PC long after people were calling for his head. I was optimistic going into this game. I am not an over-reactive person (lost that about 40 years ago). :les:

    I no longer have confidence in PC. He is not going to change anything substantive about his gameday philosophy that is woefully inadequate for playoff football. Since the failure in SB XLIX, he now has 6 years of playoff failures. The Seahawks will probably make the playoffs in at least 4 of the next 5 years, but will consistently exit early with another ugly, stupid, embarrassing showing. Has PC ever outcoached the opponent in the playoffs? With the talent and culture he built starting in 2012, the Seahawks should have won at least 3 trophies by now. Great organization builder, great talent developer, not too bad of a regular season coach, HORRIFIC in the playoffs. The odds of this team finding future playoff success is <5%.
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Re: Hawks vs rams post game thoughts.
Sat Jan 09, 2021 10:52 pm
  • We hit rock bottom a few years back with the likes of Tom Cable and Eddie Lacy. We were so horrific that the current o-line and RBs were a welcome addition. But make no mistake about it: O-line and RB were never truly fixed. Carson cannot stay healthy and even if he could, he’s not that truly elite level of back that we need to get us deep into the playoffs.


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Re: Hawks vs rams post game thoughts.
Sat Jan 09, 2021 11:48 pm
  • Don't worry, guys. We'll bounce back next week. The Seahawks have yet to lose the week after losing a playoff game.
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