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  • 2021 Depth Chart, Roster Moves, Cap Position before FA

    The team usually makes close to 300 roster moves/season ( last year 298 ); the depth chart changes as injuries happen and/or players are added or subtracted as needed. I believe having a depth chart here is a good addition to the main board page so when the team changes players, knowing their player numbers, their names, and positional information is a good thing to be able to quickly refer to here without leaving the site. JS likes to churn the roster a bit to help the competitive situations at various positions.

    Here below is a current depth chart. I will record each transaction in and out as they happen. This depth chart is just my opinion, feel free to comment or suggest changes. Comments here are welcomed, this thread is supposed to be informative but also to encourage roster discussion. The plan is to record all forthcoming roster moves and to adjust the DC as the roster changes are made.

    Please advise here of any changes as they happen. The usual dependable members always assist but everyone should feel completely free to report changes to the roster here when they happen. Be careful as sometimes the media gets the story wrong, or the source proves unreliable. All assistance is greatly appreciated and allows us to have an accurate and up to date DC here. I will attempt to keep this depth chart current quickly after all changes, PS designations, waivers, cuts, additions, players claimed, PUP, or injury designations, etc.. I will also attempt to keep it current throughout the season by indicating what the roster moves were after they happen. This sometimes involves a delay, sometimes life intervenes, and the delay may result in the update being slower to happen. However, I will make every effort to keep this page current. This hopefully will be a complete record.

    I will also update the presently available cap number on a weekly basis, or as quickly as information can be obtained from https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/seattle-seahawks/. Their number can also be seen at the bottom of this page.

    Here is the roster from Seahawks.com: http://www.seahawks.com/team/roster

    Here is a link to the team’s coaching staff from the team’s website: https://www.seahawks.com/team/coaches-roster/

    Here also a DC from the team: http://www.seahawks.com/team/depth-chart It's not usually posted until after training camp.

    Here as well is the transactions report from the team: https://www.seahawks.com/team/transactions/


    Color Codes

    - (White) Player already on team from last season, or added with futures deal (F) before FA or the draft

    - (Green) Players from the team who were UFAs (U), RFAs (R), or ERFAs (E) in 2021

    - (Italics) Note:Player who are on 1 yr. deals, or in the last year of their present deal (as italicized). Where a player is from the outside the player may also have an appropriately colored designation.

    - (Red) Player added in FA or claimed as a FA or as a veteran waived player

    - (Blue) Player added in Draft

    - (Electric Green) UDFA player added after the draft

    - (Underlined) Player renewed before/after contract expired

    - (Yellow) Player acquired by trade



    PRESENT ROSTER players under contract


    OFFENSE (37)

    QB- 3- Russell Wilson (O Captain), 7- Geno Smith, 6- Alex McGough (F), 2- Danny Etling (F),

    RB- 32- Chris Carson, 20- Rashaad Penny, 25- Travis Homer, 31- DeeJay Dallas, 41- Alex Collins

    FB- 44- Nick Bellore,

    WR- 14- D.K. Metcalf, 2- Aaron Fuller (F), 18- Penny Hart (F), WR- 81- Cody Thomson (F),

    WR- 16- Tyler Lockett, 18- Freddie Swain, 15- John Ursua (F), Darvin Kidsy (F), u/k- D'Wayne Eskridge,

    LT- 76- Duane Brown, 74- Cedric Ogbuehi , 79- Tommy Champion (F), u/k- Stone Forsythe,

    LG- 68- Damien Lewis, 66- Jordan Simmons,

    OC- 77- Ethan Pocic, 61- Kyle Fuller, 64- Brad Lundblade (F),

    RG- u/k- Gabe Jackson, 60- Phil Haynes (IR),

    RT- 72- Brandon Shell, 73- Jamarco Jones, (IR),

    TE u/k- Gerald Everett, 89- Will Dissly, 84- Colby Parkinson, 85- Tyler Mabry (F), u/k- Nick Guggemos


    DEFENSE (34)

    LDE- 91- L.J. Collier, u/k- Kerry Hyder, 94- Rasheem Green,

    LDT- u/k- Al Woods, 75- Cedrick Lattimore (F), u/k- Robert Nkemdiche,

    RDT- 97- Poona Ford, 79- Bryan Mone, 67 - Myles Adams (F),

    RDE- 43- Carlos Dunlap, 95- Benson Mayowa, 98- Alton Robinson, 58- Darrell Taylor (NFI), u/k- Aldon Smith,

    SOLB- 57- Cody Barton,

    MLB- 54- Bobby Wagner (D Captain), u/k- Nate Evans,

    WOLB- 56- Jordyn Brooks, 55- Ben Burr-Kirven, u/k- Aaron Donkor,

    LCB- 28- Ugochukwu Amadi, 9- Gavin Heslop (F), 47- Jordan Miller (F), u/k- Ahkello Witherspoon, u/k- Tre Brown,

    RCB- 29- D.J. Reed, 21- Tre Flowers, 36- Damarious Randall, u/k- Pierre Desir, u/k- Saivion Smith,

    FS- 37- Quandre Diggs, 27- Marquise Blair (IR),

    SS- 33- Jamal Adams, 35- Ryan Neal,


    SPECIAL TEAMS (3)

    PK- 5- Jason Myers,

    P- 4- Michael Dickson,

    LS- 69- Tyler Ott,

    TOTAL = -74 - ( 90 or 80 allowed depending upon if COVID rules are in place or reverting to pre-COVID rules). With the allocated international program player now added the team may have 91 players on the preseason roster including that player who may additionally be on the PS but not counting against the total for either.


    PRACTICE SQUAD (16 available or 10 if reverts to pre-COVID rules. This area is presently under negotiation between the owners and the player's union)



    INJURED RESERVE (IR), (IRr) = Injured Reserve returnable, PUP (PUP), WAIVED INJURED (WI), INJURED RESERVED DESIGNATED RECALL (IRDR), Non-football Injury (NFI), Reserve Did Not Report (RDNR), COVID opt out (CO), Suspended, COVID Reserve (COR)



    TEAM FREE AGENTS

    Unrestricted Free Agents There are 30 UFAs many of whom won't be back. (30)

    Offense
    QB- 7- Geno Smith (U), re-signed, 1yr./$1.075 million/$137,500 SB, cap charge $987,500
    RB-32- Chris Carson (U), re-signed 2 yrs $14.625 million, may have additional voidable yr.
    RB- 30- Carlos Hyde (U), signed with Jaguars,2 years/$6 million
    FB- 44- Nick Bellore (U), re-signed, 2 yrs./$4.45 M/$1.2 M Gtd., 2021 cap #$1.7 M
    WR- 83-David Moore (U), signed with the Panthers, terms u/k
    OT- 74- Cedric Ogbuehi (U), re-signed, one year and $2.3M with $700K guaranteed. An extra void year spreads out the $700K signing bonus over two years. Base salary is $1.1M. There's $500K in per-game roster bonuses as well as $1M in playing-time incentives, counts $1.8 million against the cap
    OG- 70- Mike Iupati (U) , retired
    OC- 77- Ethan Pocic (U), re-signed 1year, $3 million
    TE- 86- Jacob Hollister (U), signed with the Bills, terms u/k
    TE- 88- Greg Olsen (U), contract terminated 4/3/21, set to sign 1 day deal to retire a Panther.
    TE- 82- Luke Willson (U),
    RB- 41- Alex Collins (U), re-signed 24/2/21 terms u/k but suspected to be a vet min. deal
    WR- 10- Josh Gordon (U), contract terminated 4/3/21
    WR- 11- Phillip Dorsett (IR) (U), signed with Jaguars, terms u/k
    OG- 78- Alex Boone (U),
    OT- 75- Chad Wheeler (U), (W)
    OG- 65- Chance Warmark, (U) (W)

    Defence
    DE- 99- Damontre Moore (U),
    DE- 95- Benson Mayowa (U), re-signed, 2 yrs./ $7.62M / $4.1M guaranteed. 2 void years spread out a $3M signing bonus. Base salaries are $1.1M (GTD) and $2.5M. Both years have $510K in per-game roster bonuses. Up to $1M sacks escalator in 2022. Cap number for 2021 is $2.24M.
    OLB- 50- KJ Wright (U),
    CB- 26- Shaquill Griffin (U), signs with Jags 3yrs. - $44.5 million/ $29 million guaranteed,
    CB- 36- Damarious Randall (U), re-signed, 1 yr./ $1,127,500/ $137,500 signing bonus/ non-guaranteed $990K base salary.
    DE- 93- Branden Jackson (IR) (U),
    CB 23- Nieko Thorpe (IR) (U),
    DE- 51- Bruce Irvin (IR) (U),
    SS- 42- Lano Hill, (U),(IR),
    CB- 22- Quinton Dunbar (IR) (U), signed with Detroit, 1 yr. terms u/k
    CB- 1- Jayson Stanley (IR) (U),
    DE- 93- Jonathan Bullard (U), signed with Atlanta 1 yr. terms u/k
    OLB- 52- Ray-Ray Armstrong (U),


    -Restricted Free Agents (3)

    Offense
    OG- 66- Jordan Simmons (R), not tendered, but re-signed 1 yr., terms u/k

    Defense
    DT- 97- Poona Ford (R), not tendered, but re-signed for 2 years/$12.345 M/$8.42 M base/$3.5 M bonus, 2021 Cap # $2.67 M
    OLB- 49- Shaquem Griffin (R), not tendered

    -Exclusive Rights Free Agents The team has 4 ERFAs which could be counted as signed as no other team can sign them until the team elects not to re-sign them. The SFAs are included in this grouping. (5)

    Offense
    OC- 61- Kyle Fuller (E), tendered, 1yr./$920K
    RB- 40- Bo Scarborough, (IRPS), (SFA) Street FA
    TE- 48- Stephen Sullivan (IRPS), (SFA) Street FA, signed futures contract with Carolina

    Defence
    DT- 79- Bryan Mone (E), tendered, 1yr./$850K
    CB- 34- Linden Stephens (E), signed by Washington
    SS- 35- Ryan Neal (E), tendered,


    Players Drafted

    Round 1 (0)
    Pick #23- traded to the Jets for Jamal Adams

    Round 2 (1)
    Pick #56- WR- u/k- D'Wayne Eskridge, Westen Michigan.

    Round 3 (0)
    Pick #83 - traded to the Jets for Jamal Adams

    Round 4 (1)
    Pick #129 - traded to Tampa for picks #137 (4th) & #217 (6th)

    Pick #137 rec'd from Tampa, CB- Tre Brown, OK

    Round 5 (1)
    Pick # 153 - pick traded to the Raiders for OG- u/k- Gabe Jackson,

    Round 6 (0)
    Pick #186 - pick traded to Miami 2020 draft

    Pick #208, rec'd from Chicago for Picks #217 & #250, OT- Stone Forsythe, Florida

    Pick #217, traded with Pick #250 for Pick #208

    Round 7 (1)

    Pick traded to the Bengals for Carlos Dunlap

    Pick #250 received from Detroit in 2019 as part of Quandre Diggs trade, pick traded with pick #217 for pick #208

    INJURED RESERVE (IR), (IRr) = Injured Reserve returnable, PUP (PUP), WAIVED INJURED (WI), INJURED RESERVED DESIGNATED RECALL (IRDR), Non-football Injury (NFI), Reserve Did Not Report (RDNR), COVID opt out (CO), Suspended, COVID Reserve (COR)
    Commissioner's exempt/suspended list

    Traded, Cut/Released (C), Waived (W), Injury Settlement(WIS) (several players may have multiple moves)
    1. OG- 65- Chance Warmark, (C)
    2. TE- 88- Greg Olsen (U), contract terminated 4/3/21
    3. WR- 10- Josh Gordon (U), contract terminated 4/3/21
    4. DE- 43- Carlos Dunlap, contract terminated March 8./21, re-signed March 25/21 2 years at $16. 6 million/ $8.5 million guaranteed
    5. DT- 90- Jarran Reed, released 26/03/21, now signed with KC

    FREE AGENTS ACQUIRED

    CB- u/k- Ahkello Witherspoon for 49ers, 1 year- $4 million fully guaranteed
    TE- u/k- Gerald Everett, 1 yr. - $6 mil
    DE/DT- u/k- Kerry Hyder, 3yrs. $16.5 mil (Note the 3rd year is for $10 mil and is a voidable year, so the contract may actually be 2yrs./$6.5 mil)
    DT- u/k- Al Woods, 1-year, $2.5M/ $750K guaranteed, $750K signing bonus, a $1.25M base salary and $500K in per-game roster bonuses
    DE/OLB- u/k- Aldon Smith, 1 yr./1-year $990,000/$137,500 signing bonus/ cap charge $987,500
    CB- u/k- Pierre Desir, 1yr./ $1.212 M/ $137,500 SB, cap number is 987,500
    DT- u/k- Robert Nkemdiche, 1 y./$990K cap charge $850K
    OLB- u/k- Aaron Donkor, allocated LB via the NFL International Player Pathway Program
    CB- u/k- Saivion Smith, waiver claim from Dallas
    TE- u/k- Nick Guggemos, St Johns U, street FA out of football since 2018
    LB- u/k- Nate Evans, Waiver claim from Jax


    Undrafted Free Agents

    It is believed the team has signed 11 or 12 UDFA players but there has been nothing announced officially. the following are those the usually reliable media other than the team believes have been signed:

    1. WR- Tomorrion Terry, Florida
    2. OG/OT- Jared Hocker, TX A&M
    3. OG/C- Pier-Olivier Lestage, Montreal
    4. CB- Bryan Mills, NC Central
    5. OT- Jake Curhan, Cal
    6. RB- Josh Johnson, Louisiana-Monroe
    7. RB- BJ Edmonds FAU
    8. WR- Cade Johnson, So. Dakota St.
    9. WR/KR- Connor Wedington, Stanford
    10. LB- Jon Rhattigan, Army
    11. DT-Jarrod Hewitt, V Tech
    12. OT- Greg Elland, Miss. St.

    I do not plan on listing these on the above roster until there is official confirmation of their signing as several of those reported as signed are possibly only here for a tryout or for the rookie minicamp. This prevents a lot of additional work removing players added to the roster then as necessary subtracted when the truth of their status is clarified. I hope the team makes some announcement soon.


    Players obtained via Trade
    OG- u/k- Gabe Jackson, received from the Raiders for the team's 2021 5th round pick


    Transaction number (Following The Super Bowl LIII, and all roster moves ),

    = -34- since the beginning of free agency


    Present Available Cap Number for 2021 as per OTC.com = $7,487,458 https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/seattle-seahawks/
    This cap number is based upon a cap estimate of $182.5 million for the season.

    As well here is a CAP calculator for NFL teams for creating 'what if' scenarios.
    http://overthecap.com/calculator/seattle-seahawks/
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  • As can be seen from the above there are some pretty big holes in the roster that are going to have to be addressed.

    JS will have to be creative with the cap as well.
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  • Looking at the roster there are needs at RB, FB, LG, C, and backups for the whole OLine. As ever there are needs at DT and CB.
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  • Bo Scarborough is a free agent as an expired PS Player. Same with Alex Boone, Alex Collins, Ray-Ray Armstrong and Stephen Sullivan.
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  • Thanks 'Storian!!!

    Both Sullivan and Scarborough are Street FAs.

    I'm going to list them both in ERFA group for convenience with an appropriate designation differing them because like ERFAs the team retains their rights as 1 year players. Sulliivan will likely be re-signed in one capacity or another, and Scarborough too after his injury is healed.

    Updated.
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  • Thanks for making a new 2021 thread Jammerhawk!

    The Hawks have a lot of decisions to make this off-season. We are going to be losing some popular players would be my guess. I'm curious of the cap number. That's before we know the cap ceiling, isn't it? If so, then we may be looking at pretty much no cap room once the official number comes out for 2021. Is that correct?
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  • No problem my friend, it was close to time for a new thread at any rate.

    The cap number is the number as estimated by OTC.com it is based upon the present 2021 estimated cap of $176 million/team as earlier announced by the NFL. This number is still not official but it is clear the team has not much cap space to work with and will need to massage a few deals to open up space. There have been various reports of the cap being closer to $180 million as the bottom limit but I suspect it could be a good bit higher as the potential competitive effects of a drastic cap drop will need to be carefully considered but the owners. Most all of the playoff teams will have significant cap problems to deal with this offseason and while the Hawks don't have much available cap at present they are just slightly better than the league average. Fortunately they have a few good sized deals that can be worked over, reallocated or extended to open up available cap space.

    Free agency is going to be quite complex for players and their agents this offseason and the simply huge differences between the the teams with the most available cap and those who are in cap difficulties is huge and is almost as much as the present estimate available cap for a whole team for the 2021 season. The team cap guys are going to need to be very creative this year.
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  • Thank you Jammerhawk!
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  • Hey man, no worries, this is a team effort, I'm just the front man, my partners are the talent in the band. Don't hesitate to comment here, with 40K + visits last season this is a popular spot. All roster questions can be answered here to the extent of knowledge of the team's apparent intentions. Sometimes my biases are apparent.

    If you notice a roster move please post it here so it can be added, don't be shy in posting, everyone of us here is subject to being flat out wrong and being there with the news is just fine. Ultimately though, getting it right is what we strive for here.

    There are a lot of very football smart guys posting on this site, we don't always agree, but we are all Hawks fans. Every opinion on this site is worthy of critical assessment.
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  • Miles Adams DT from the Panthers signs a 1 year deal
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  • Thanks Hawks2022!!!

    I had noted Adams as signed to a futures deal on the 2020 roster thread but for some reason didn't included him on the roster. He was a late PS player that was cut at the end of the season then added back with a futures contract just a few days after the others were signed to futures deals

    Updated.
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  • Here is an article on the cap situation faced by the team it sets out the numbers based upon a $176 -$178 million cap number for the season.

    https://www.fieldgulls.com/2021/1/24/22 ... -cap-draft

    It is quite possible the team could be in a negative cap position with just 48 players under contract. JS is going to have to massage a few deals very hard and our FAs if they want to stay are going to have be flexible in their negotiations. Creativity is going to be the norm. This isn’t going to easy stuff for the team and for Free Agent players.

    This is going to be a very difficult off season for the whole league. The bottom tier teams that have cap space may find some significant cap bargains.

    Curiously with the pandemic continuing there is unlikely to be fans in the stands very soon either. A shrinking of the cap may occur again next season as we are in uncharted territory here.
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  • 15.6 billion in revenue between the 32 teams last year and they are "lowering the cap" because of.... what.. they didn't have enough left over for contingencies and inflation still occurring? All of this is hilariously greedy of owners to be honest.
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  • It’s a way to claw back salaries from the union, for sure it’s greedy and will do nothing to truly foster competitive rivalries. The cap drop hurts a lot of teams who had planned ahead but now have their cap plans ripped apart.

    It is greedy for sure, highly short sighted, damaging to the league and fosters ill will from the players and the union. A plan B or C needs to arrived at where the loss of revenue and the cap disruption is amortized over time rather than all at once. Jerrah will no doubt lobby in this direction, frankly it makes more sense to deal with the problem.
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  • Curtis Crabtree
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    The Seahawks have signed WR Darvin Kidsy to a futures contract.

    Kidsy has played in five games for Washington. He was briefly with Seattle's practice squad in December.

    https://twitter.com/Curtis_Crabtree/sta ... 4351397888
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  • Thanks Kitsap!!!

    I'm going to put this move with the 2020 thread for consistency sake. The team was down a player on the PS. Normally we count the transaction numbers from the day follow Super Bowl.

    Updated on both threads.
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  • I foresee a very busy season ahead on this thread Jammer. If we are going to remain competitive there will need to be a lot of movement, and I don't see how that is possible. Schneider and the staff will have to be on their A game this year, maybe at a higher level than ever before. Other teams are already started in the slobber knocker transaction game. Just a matter of time until something happens on our end.
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  • I suspect that the final cap number will be bigger (not hugely bigger, but the pain will be spread out over a few seasons) than presently believed to be the case as it guts the FA market, and penalizes those team who did what the union asked and spent annually to close to the cap limit, JMO. However never underestimate the greed of the owner's group. I also think the COVID situation is far from resolved, and many of rules from last season will remain in place.

    The Hawks have just 4 draft picks but have been big players in the UDFA market so they will find warm bodies. Luckily they have some big contracts that can be extended and/or reworked to open up some cap room but have many FAs who will either have to take a short term low ball deal to stay or move on. The whole FA market will be depressed, and those who didn't get their "big contract " last season won't be anymore for a while, or just in rare situations.

    The roster will churn more than it has in past few seasons, but there is a lot of good quality young talent holding over and quality payers in most key positions. JS has a habit of making something from not very much and i agree he will be pressed harder this season than ever before but he is talented personnel man and will find Pete the young bodies to develop.

    The team will be challenged in the division harder than before but will surprise and perhaps show improvement if the OC can unlock RWs talent more completely. The team will have a pass rush and will add to the interior OLine, (@OC and OG). some big decision will be made at CB which might surprise.

    I am very curious to watch. They have done it before and will do it again successfully.

    Key position groups are:

    RB
    OC
    OG
    DT
    CB
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  • We have plenty of Cap Space, look at cap space for 2022! I think the best gauge for the cap space in 2022 is 2021 not the projected 220 Million OTC is using. 2022 Seahawks have 86 Million on the books which ranks #5 most available Cap Space & Seattle has its QB under contract, if you factor in RW under contract I would say Seattle is in the best cap situation in the NFL. Duane Brown, Tyler Lockett, Diggs etc... We have tons of players in their final year in 2021. I view 2021 as a reset year, a year where we plan SuperBowl runs for 2021, 2022, & 2023! I would go after LT Trent Williams & pay him 20 million a year on a 4 year contract, then I would trade Duane Brown for a 3rd round pick. I would go after LG Thuney & pay him 14 million. Then I would go after Leonard Williams pay him 19 Million & trade Jarren Reed for a 3rd round pick. DT Dalvin Tomlinson would be my second choice after Leonard Williams and I would still trade Jarren Reed. Leonard Williams can play 3 tech & DE & has always been a strong run stopper. Also signing Leonard Williams makes DE Green & Dunlap expendable.
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  • Brees just restructured in N.O., went from 36 million to 12 million, rounded guys so don't crucify the messenger, if Wilson would do something similar we would be in great shape going forward.
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  • Brees is different. He's retiring in June. Not the same situation.

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  • We have plenty of Cap Space vs Saints are in Cap Hell. The point I’m making is John Schneider & Pete Carroll are way ahead of the rest of the league and have the Peak years of RW & BW already planned out. Look at BW 2019 they drafted 2 LB’s & 2020 they used a 1st round pick on a Will/Mike Linebacker, so if Bobby’s play detoriates too much they have player ready to step up. FYI Wagner isn’t just an All Pro Mike Linebacker, Bobby is 1 of the best players in the league, Bobby is a generational talent, so even though he’s getting older he’s still one of the best defensive players in the league. If we trade Bobby he could turn that team into a SuperBowl contender or SuperBowl favorite so it goes way beyond getting 2 1st rounds picks for Bobby, the 2021 draft is a crappy round 1 draft, it’s a complicated situation with lots of moving parts to it. The obvious issue is Russell Wilson his play was not good last season! How do we handle the RW situation? Looks like we’re giving him help by getting him a new OC so it makes sense to beef up the offense big time on all levels OL, WR, RB, TE so RW will have zero excuses if he’s doesn’t get a SuperBowl win in 2021. After 2021, in 2022 we will know what we have in a QB, 2022 is the time not 2023, to know what your going to do with your Franchise QB! So no we shouldn’t back load RW’s contract! If I’m RW I’m calling Schneider & saying “hey I screwed up in 2020; why don’t you extend my contract a year or 2 at a discounted rate” RW says he wants to be an NFL owner & an NFL owner that wins many Super Bowls! If RW is really that smart he will do this because it not only helps Seattle but it will set a Precedent that he can use in the future with his players when he is an owner. Or is Russell Wilson completely full of $h!t & that’s the real reason we’re not playing KC in Tampa on 2/7/21
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  • Thanks Fresno, interesting take but the raw numbers still seem to indicate that there will need to be some cap massaging needed to open cap space.
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  • OG- Chance Warmack has been released bye the team to require him to be assessed physically to see if it is reasonable to expect he will be able to play football after this last season off with his COVID opt out.

    https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2 ... e-warmack/
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  • When a player is in the final year of his contract the team must decide what their options are at that position! For instance LT Brown does he want to play in 2022 & 2023? Do we see him performing at a high level in 2022 & 2023? If the answer is no then we need to sign Trent Williams who will cost 17 to 20 million a year. Either way we can reduce the cap hit for Williams or Brown because the Salary Cap will jump from 185 million in 2022 to over 230 Million in 2023 due to the new TV contracts. Tyler Locketts cap hit for 2021 is based on the projection he will hit all his bonuses because he hit his bonuses in 2020 but if we add a 3rd productive WR & increase Metcalfs production chances are Locketts production may not hit his bonuses. But the main ? is do the Hawks believe Lockett is worth a 3rd contract? So the point I’m making is we cannot assume the players in final years of the contracts on the Seahawk team in 2021 are the best players available. This is a very unusual situation for NFL teams for atleast 25% of the league it’s tragic but for the Seahawks it’s a beautiful situation.
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  • All said in the end there are going to be significant cap machinations to keep several players and with only 4 draft picks (to start with) JS is going to have to be quite creative with the cap, and the mistakes of last season will hurt disproportionately if we have Olsen type goofs in terms of productivity to cost.
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  • jammerhawk wrote:All said in the end there are going to be significant cap machinations to keep several players and with only 4 draft picks (to start with) JS is going to have to be quite creative with the cap, and the mistakes of last season will hurt disproportionately if we have Olsen type goofs in terms of productivity to cost.


    When you have several players in final years of contracts it’s not complicated to extend them, cut them, or trade them all scenarios = 2021 cap hit going down &/or 2022 cap hit going down, Seattle has spent $87 Million in 2022 $180 cap minus $87 million spent = & $93 million to spend in 2022. Seattle spent $51 million in 2023 projected cap space $189 million to spend with RW under contract.

    Trade Duane Brown for a round 3 pick save $11,350,000 in 2021. Signed Trent Williams 3 year 60 million 25 million guaranteed. Brown cap hit 2021 11,000,000, 2022 22,000,000 2023 27,000,000

    Trade Jarren Reed for a round 3 pick save $8,975,000. Sign Leonard Williams 3 year 60 million 50 million guarantee.
    Williams cap hit 2021, 2022, & 2023. 2021 8 million, 2022 26 million, 2023 26 million.

    Olsen got hurt & RW didn’t throw the ball to him, not a thing anyone can do about it. If Olsen had a bunch of dropped passes then you could say he was a bad acquisition!
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  • That'd be nice if the team could trade out of the Reed contract and acquire Williams and exchange Trant Williams for Brown. I'm dubious it'd happen as there would be $11,350,000 in dead cap money left on Brown's deal and $8,975,000 left on Reed's

    It'd seem to me that extending them both for a few seasons and converting their salaries to completely to guaranteed bonus $ capable of proration would be smarter. Albeit even if the player who'd be replacing them would potentially be an upgrade.
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  • Well John usually takes car of the big hitters first, the renegotiations are usually kept under wraps until big contracts figured out and we are all going how did they do that as is the rest of the league.

    We don't leak much in Seattle no matter how much it rains with Pete and John here.

    March is a long way off, this is going to be a terrible month of speculation and click bait stories along with watching the Wilson stories unfold.
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  • A lot need to be known here before a whole lot of massaging of contracts can occur.

    1. What will the actual cap be for 2021? There are a lot of stories out there that the hard low cap number will be $175 million. OTC.com is using a number of $178 million for their cap calculations. I've seen a few recent stories that the cap will only drop $10 million in 2021 from $198 million to $188 million and have read thoughtful articles that have suggested there may be a compromise and the owners and the players union are attempting to soften the drop by spreading it out over a few seasons. Knowing the numbers going forward allows the teams to plan better and prevent wholesale gutting of some rosters. If the cap number is in fact $188 million the team then has some approximately $14 million in open and available cap before existing contracts are reworked.

    2. What is the team's plan for the draft and FA? Of course that is unlikely to be divulged but some clues will be revealed with the contract that are redone and the FA moves and possible trades that are made.

    3. Which if any contracts are right to extend and massage?

    As most all of this will be covered by the usual wall of silence and most will be unknown until FA begins in March. i think the Wilson stories are nothing more than pure speculation. Silly season is upon us.
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  • jammerhawk wrote:That'd be nice if the team could trade out of the Reed contract and acquire Williams and exchange Trant Williams for Brown. I'm dubious it'd happen as there would be $11,350,000 in dead cap money left on Brown's deal and $8,975,000 left on Reed's

    It'd seem to me that extending them both for a few seasons and converting their salaries to completely to guaranteed bonus $ capable of proration would be smarter. Albeit even if the player who'd be replacing them would potentially be an upgrade.



    It’s a cap savings of $11,350,000 for Brown & $8,975,000 savings for Reed. Typically teams assume the cap will rise around 10 million a year but that probably won’t happen in 2021 & 2022. Both years will probably be the same cap number or close to it. Seattle has only 87 Million on the books for 2022 they have the 5th most cap space. Steelers have cap hell in 2021 but have the highest amount of cap space in 2022, the problem they have is the 1 year contracts for 2021 are with much older players. Philly is a mess because they have negative cap space in 2021 and not much cap space in 2022.

    The Super Bowl this year was a disaster ratings wise and during the season advertisers got discounts because viewership on games was terrible! It looks like the NFL screwed itself with the social justice anti Trump stuff. For sure the networks & internet companies are going low ball the NFL on the upcoming Contract negotiations!

    This would definitely be a factor in the Seahawks trading RW the Seahawks Organization is a tightly run ship with a corporate mindset that is joined at the hip with Paul Allen’s VC firm. The companies in the portfolio of the firm have been slashing costs all year. It’s not as if they’re going to be cheap like the Colts it will convince them that the 2023 Cap may not rise as much as the other teams in the league believe it will.

    I just wasted over 100 hours analyzing the cap & available Free Agents if Seattle trades RW.

    Based on what I’ve seen RW is a goner probably to the Jets for Donald and a couple 1st picks & a player.
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  • jammerhawk wrote:A lot need to be known here before a whole lot of massaging of contracts can occur.

    1. What will the actual cap be for 2021? There are a lot of stories out there that the hard low cap number will be $175 million. OTC.com is using a number of $178 million for their cap calculations. I've seen a few recent stories that the cap will only drop $10 million in 2021 from $198 million to $188 million and have read thoughtful articles that have suggested there may be a compromise and the owners and the players union are attempting to soften the drop by spreading it out over a few seasons. Knowing the numbers going forward allows the teams to plan better and prevent wholesale gutting of some rosters. If the cap number is in fact $188 million the team then has some approximately $14 million in open and available cap before existing contracts are reworked.

    2. What is the team's plan for the draft and FA? Of course that is unlikely to be divulged but some clues will be revealed with the contract that are redone and the FA moves and possible trades that are made.

    3. Which if any contracts are right to extend and massage?

    As most all of this will be covered by the usual wall of silence and most will be unknown until FA begins in March. i think the Wilson stories are nothing more than pure speculation. Silly season is upon us.


    The NFL wants to keep the Cap as close to the 2020 Cap as possible due to the upcoming contract negotiations. The last thing they want to project is a declining fan base & major loss of revenue which will affect their ability to market games viewed on the networks. The question is how much $$ is the NFL making in 2020, 2021, & 2022? They will never open the books because everyone knows they’re getting their butts kicked. If they go with a 175 Cap for 2021 the networks will eat them alive.
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  • I’m not sure what contracts you mean (TV?), but I do know the union will be pissed with the owners and create grief if the owners are too greedy trying to claw back money as a result of this unexpected situation that has screwed up many years of various team’s cap planning. Those owners will pay in terms of fan alienation and anger at lost hero’s who are cap casualties.

    I fully expect some sensible amortization of the revenue drop, but as we all may appreciate we are far from being out of the woods with COVID asbestos estimates don’t have a safe inoculation level to be reached to allow a return to large gatherings until next year this time, so the poison has to be taken sooner or later or spread out which may be the wisest coursed action.
    It’s an interesting problem, and we will soon know the owners answers, greed or common sense.

    The months of rumours, wishful thinking, Madden dreaming, nonsense theories are rosterbation is now truly upon us.

    Somewhere here someone suggested this could be a boring off season, somehow I doubt that will be the case. This cap reduction could be the thepoison that killed the goose who laid the golden egg
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  • jammerhawk wrote:I’m not sure what contracts you mean (TV?), but I do know the union will be pissed with the owners and create grief if the owners are too greedy trying to claw back money as a result of this unexpected situation that has screwed up many years of various team’s cap planning. Those owners will pay in terms of fan alienation and anger at lost hero’s who are cap casualties.

    I fully expect some sensible amortization of the revenue drop, but as we all may appreciate we are far from being out of the woods with COVID asbestos estimates don’t have a safe inoculation level to be reached to allow a return to large gatherings until next year this time, so the poison has to be taken sooner or later or spread out which may be the wisest coursed action.
    It’s an interesting problem, and we will soon know the owners answers, greed or common sense.

    The months of rumours, wishful thinking, Madden dreaming, nonsense theories are rosterbation is now truly upon us.

    Somewhere here someone suggested this could be a boring off season, somehow I doubt that will be the case. This cap reduction could be the thepoison that killed the goose who laid the golden egg


    New Media contracts start in 2023, negotiations are probably entering early stages. The NFL has been marketing the new Media contracts as massive revenue uptick. Thus creating a major buzz in the business world for NFL domination in media. While doing this last few years the NFL #’s having been going down in many areas but the NFL has been deflecting to the positives. Then COVID-19 hit but that was suppose to increase TV viewership they thought and increase gambling revenue they thought. It’s looking like a disaster, the NFL must do something quick to increase fan base & TV viewership or the Cap could be stuck between 175 million & 200 million for 25 years.
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  • jammerhawk wrote:I’m not sure what contracts you mean (TV?), but I do know the union will be pissed with the owners and create grief if the owners are too greedy trying to claw back money as a result of this unexpected situation that has screwed up many years of various team’s cap planning. Those owners will pay in terms of fan alienation and anger at lost hero’s who are cap casualties.

    I fully expect some sensible amortization of the revenue drop, but as we all may appreciate we are far from being out of the woods with COVID asbestos estimates don’t have a safe inoculation level to be reached to allow a return to large gatherings until next year this time, so the poison has to be taken sooner or later or spread out which may be the wisest coursed action.
    It’s an interesting problem, and we will soon know the owners answers, greed or common sense.

    The months of rumours, wishful thinking, Madden dreaming, nonsense theories are rosterbation is now truly upon us.

    Somewhere here someone suggested this could be a boring off season, somehow I doubt that will be the case. This cap reduction could be the thepoison that killed the goose who laid the golden egg



    Your right about COVID-19 but there’s definitely enough vaccinations out there to make a dramatic difference, they’re lying about not being enough to impact on a massive scale. The vaccines themselves are not very good or they want to panic the public cause they like things the way they are.
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  • My friend you sound like a conspiracy theorist. Lots of politics in your reply which can't be responded to here but to date the political response has been weak indeed. I can't see the economic dislocation caused by self quarantines is helpful to any part of the community but that is not a discussion for here. I will just say I disagree.

    On the cap, never under estimate the power of greed. Your thinking has a lot of merit to it on that subject the TV contracts are a good reason to not cut back the cap as much as several have suggested.
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  • Actually surprised the NFL has not set up Team Vaccinations yet, they are using almost all the Stadiums to do Max vaccinations now.
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  • I suspect that may come in due course but the NFL will catch it for jumping the line up for vaccinations.

    This may happen as part of the trade-off for offering their facilities for mass vaccination sites.
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  • The NFL and the NFLPA set a minimum cap floor at $180 million.

    https://seahawkswire.usatoday.com/2021/ ... 180-milli/

    This figure is not set in stone and the cap could be higher when all is said and done. The team's available cap should temporarily increase slightly.
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  • If I may make a request....is it possible to place the coaching staff on the first page as well as the team members? It may help to understand who is driving the team's specific coaching responsibilities. If not, no biggy.

    Thanks for all you do Sir Jammerhawk.
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  • Sure, no problem my friend!

    I will provide the line near the top of the page with the other http://www.Seahawks.com links.

    The coaching staff is rather stable and rarely changes or usually just around this time of year, the new guys from the Rams have yet to have the photos added.

    Here's the link: https://www.seahawks.com/team/coaches-roster/
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  • Thanks. :irishdrinkers: :irishdrinkers: :irishdrinkers:
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  • Bob Condotta reports by Twitter as do other sites (below) that the team has re-signed RB- Alex Collins.

    And so it begins.



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    https://www.fieldgulls.com/2021/2/24/22 ... avis-homer
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  • Just checking that Russ is still on the team..... okaaaay then !
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  • ' Storian, come back in a month things will be the same. However, before then there will be 87 threads proposing Maddenesque trade options for Wilson and 2087 thread how everything is Pete's fault.
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  • Thanks my friend!

    Nice to see you back!

    Updated.
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  • Good to be back my friend ..... happened across this updated list of coaches and assistants courtesy of John Boyle.

    Mar 03, 2021 at 12:58 PM
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    2021 Seahawks Coaching Staff

    Pete Carroll - Executive VP of Football Operations/Head Coach
    Carl Smith – Associate Head Coach
    Dave Canales – Offensive Passing Game Coordinator
    Andre Curtis – Defensive Passing Game Coordinator
    Andy Dickerson – Run Game Coordinator
    Larry Izzo – Special Teams Coordinator
    Ken Norton Jr. – Defensive Coordinator
    Shane Waldron – Offensive Coordinator
    Nate Carroll – Wide Receivers
    Aaron Curry – Defensive Assistant/LBs
    Austin Davis – Quarterbacks
    Thomas Garcia – Strength & Conditioning Assistant
    John Glenn – Linebackers
    Clint Hurtt – Assistant Head Coach/Defensive Line
    Brad Idzik – Quality Control-Offense/Assistant Quarterbacks
    Kerry Joseph – Assistant Wide Receivers
    Keli'i Kekuewa –Assistant Offensive Line
    Damione Lewis – Defensive Assistant/DL
    Ivan Lewis – Head Strength & Conditioning
    Pat McPherson – Tight Ends
    Chad Morton – Running Backs
    Mark Philipp – Strength & Conditioning Assistant
    DeShawn Shead – Defensive Assistant/DBs
    Tracy Smith – Assistant Special Teams
    Mike Solari – Offensive Line
    Nick Sorensen – Secondary & Nickel Specialist
    Grant Steen – Strength & Conditioning Assistant
    Danny van Dijk – Strength & Conditioning Assistant
    Jamie Yanchar – Strength & Conditioning Assistant

    Link >>> https://www.seahawks.com/news/seahawks-hire-three-additional-coaches-including-former-db-deshawn-shead-longtim


    I count 29. That's plenty to sort thru and develop young players. :2thumbs:
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  • Thanks Jville!

    Seahawkfan80 will appreciate you posting this.

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  • Jville wrote:Good to be back my friend ..... happened across this updated list of coaches and assistants courtesy of John Boyle.

    Mar 03, 2021 at 12:58 PM
    John Boyle
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    2021 Seahawks Coaching Staff

    Pete Carroll - Executive VP of Football Operations/Head Coach
    Carl Smith – Associate Head Coach
    Dave Canales – Offensive Passing Game Coordinator
    Andre Curtis – Defensive Passing Game Coordinator
    Andy Dickerson – Run Game Coordinator
    Larry Izzo – Special Teams Coordinator
    Ken Norton Jr. – Defensive Coordinator
    Shane Waldron – Offensive Coordinator
    Nate Carroll – Wide Receivers
    Aaron Curry – Defensive Assistant/LBs
    Austin Davis – Quarterbacks
    Thomas Garcia – Strength & Conditioning Assistant
    John Glenn – Linebackers
    Clint Hurtt – Assistant Head Coach/Defensive Line
    Brad Idzik – Quality Control-Offense/Assistant Quarterbacks
    Kerry Joseph – Assistant Wide Receivers
    Keli'i Kekuewa –Assistant Offensive Line
    Damione Lewis – Defensive Assistant/DL
    Ivan Lewis – Head Strength & Conditioning
    Pat McPherson – Tight Ends
    Chad Morton – Running Backs
    Mark Philipp – Strength & Conditioning Assistant
    DeShawn Shead – Defensive Assistant/DBs
    Tracy Smith – Assistant Special Teams
    Mike Solari – Offensive Line
    Nick Sorensen – Secondary & Nickel Specialist
    Grant Steen – Strength & Conditioning Assistant
    Danny van Dijk – Strength & Conditioning Assistant
    Jamie Yanchar – Strength & Conditioning Assistant

    Link >>> https://www.seahawks.com/news/seahawks-hire-three-additional-coaches-including-former-db-deshawn-shead-longtim


    I count 29. That's plenty to sort thru and develop young players. :2thumbs:


    :You the man Jville. and yes to Jammerhawk fpr his following post. Thank you.
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