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Metcalf Calls Out Carroll
Mon Jan 25, 2021 6:17 pm


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Re: Metcalf Calls Out Carroll
Mon Jan 25, 2021 6:26 pm
  • I don't really know what DK is getting at here. There were tons of short and intermediate options called that were left unthrown. The rushing split wasn't outrageously high by any means, either. Only tenth highest # of play action plays called, and the top-10 is full of good offenses. Surely, DK isn't criticizing going deep, seeing as that's basically the reason he's a star?

    In before the predictable overreactions come in, I guess.
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Re: Metcalf Calls Out Carroll
Mon Jan 25, 2021 6:30 pm
  • That’s calling Carroll out?
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Re: Metcalf Calls Out Carroll
Mon Jan 25, 2021 6:32 pm
  • Maelstrom787 wrote:I don't really know what DK is getting at here. There were tons of short and intermediate options called that were left unthrown. The rushing split wasn't outrageously high by any means, either. Only tenth highest # of play action plays called, and the top-10 is full of good offenses. Surely, DK isn't criticizing going deep, seeing as that's basically the reason he's a star?

    In before the predictable overreactions come in, I guess.



    Aren’t you the same one who said Tampa wasn’t good?
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Re: Metcalf Calls Out Carroll
Mon Jan 25, 2021 6:35 pm
  • Does he mention Carroll at all? Pete himself noted the cover 2 they faced the second half and defenses figuring them out. How is this any different? I don’t see DK as blaming Pete as much as he is telling the truth that the Hawks became entirely too predictable and that is the truth. It’s not like he called out Pete directly so it’s a little misleading.
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Re: Metcalf Calls Out Carroll
Mon Jan 25, 2021 6:41 pm
  • Bucsfantv wrote:
    Maelstrom787 wrote:I don't really know what DK is getting at here. There were tons of short and intermediate options called that were left unthrown. The rushing split wasn't outrageously high by any means, either. Only tenth highest # of play action plays called, and the top-10 is full of good offenses. Surely, DK isn't criticizing going deep, seeing as that's basically the reason he's a star?

    In before the predictable overreactions come in, I guess.



    Aren’t you the same ONE who said Tampa wasn’t good?


    Your absolute inability to conduct yourself with basic decorum is concerning, and you should seek help.

    Anyway, no. Your contention was that they'd win because they signed Antonio Brown, which was a stupid thing. My contention was that Antonio Brown joining them was not a transformative move for their offense because their receiving core was already stacked from 1 to 3 on the depth chart.

    AB didn't play in the NFCCG, and they looked fine and won. So, yeah, point proven for me I guess.
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Re: Metcalf Calls Out Carroll
Mon Jan 25, 2021 6:53 pm
  • DK is just stating the obvious, and what even the average fan can see watching the game at home
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Re: Metcalf Calls Out Carroll
Mon Jan 25, 2021 7:04 pm
  • I like that he has a good perspective on things.

    It still absolutely boggles my mind that cover 2 shut this offense down.

    They couldn't adjust to teams playing 2 deep safeties?

    High School coaches can make IN GAME adjustments to cover 2 defense. These guys couldn't figure it out over a several month period?
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Re: Metcalf Calls Out Carroll
Mon Jan 25, 2021 7:22 pm
  • irfuben32 wrote:I like that he has a good perspective on things.

    It still absolutely boggles my mind that cover 2 shut this offense down.

    They couldn't adjust to teams playing 2 deep safeties?

    High School coaches can make IN GAME adjustments to cover 2 defense. These guys couldn't figure it out over a several month period?


    Which is exactly why Russell Wilson got Brian Schottenheimer fired. Plays were called that had short and intermediate routes open, but Wilson did not take them. He was almost always looking to go deep against cover two.
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Re: Metcalf Calls Out Carroll
Mon Jan 25, 2021 7:26 pm
  • Maelstrom787 wrote:I don't really know what DK is getting at here. There were tons of short and intermediate options called that were left unthrown. The rushing split wasn't outrageously high by any means, either. Only tenth highest # of play action plays called, and the top-10 is full of good offenses. Surely, DK isn't criticizing going deep, seeing as that's basically the reason he's a star?

    In before the predictable overreactions come in, I guess.



    This has been explained ad-nauseam by NFL analysts, including Sam Gold.

    Russ' reads are to go long first, then short. Team has never been a dink and dunk coach. You're asking the offense to do something it has only done under Carrol when Wilson is injured.

    Also, Schotty's formation was extremely predictable and easy to defend. Teams could double DK and shift most of the defense towards the other side in the shotgun trips formation. DK's point is we threatened with the run, and prioritized throwing it deep. We played as if DK and Russ could dominate defenses with the deep ball no matter what. That simply didn't happen against better defenses.
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Re: Metcalf Calls Out Carroll
Mon Jan 25, 2021 7:28 pm
  • BASF wrote:
    irfuben32 wrote:I like that he has a good perspective on things.

    It still absolutely boggles my mind that cover 2 shut this offense down.

    They couldn't adjust to teams playing 2 deep safeties?

    High School coaches can make IN GAME adjustments to cover 2 defense. These guys couldn't figure it out over a several month period?


    Which is exactly why Russell Wilson got Brian Schottenheimer fired. Plays were called that had short and intermediate routes open, but Wilson did not take them. Pete does not like dink and dunk and coaches the offense to go deep against cover two.



    Fixed it for you. For Pete, the run game was always a replacement for the short passing game. He even said in his press conferences, that we have to run teams out of two-deep looks.

    Pete has literally given you all every hint and clue in the book how he wants the offense run, how he wants Wilson's reads to be and you're all expecting this methodical, Josh McDaniel like offense. It's bizarre.
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Re: Metcalf Calls Out Carroll
Mon Jan 25, 2021 7:40 pm
  • Scorpion05 wrote:
    BASF wrote:
    irfuben32 wrote:I like that he has a good perspective on things.

    It still absolutely boggles my mind that cover 2 shut this offense down.

    They couldn't adjust to teams playing 2 deep safeties?

    High School coaches can make IN GAME adjustments to cover 2 defense. These guys couldn't figure it out over a several month period?


    Which is exactly why Russell Wilson got Brian Schottenheimer fired. Plays were called that had short and intermediate routes open, but Wilson did not take them. Pete does not like dink and dunk and coaches the offense to go deep against cover two.



    Fixed it for you. For Pete, the run game was always a replacement for the short passing game. He even said in his press conferences, that we have to run teams out of two-deep looks.

    Pete has literally given you all every hint and clue in the book how he wants the offense run, how he wants Wilson's reads to be and you're all expecting this methodical, Josh McDaniel like offense. It's bizarre.


    If it is as the anti-Pete posters suggest, there would be no reason at all to have routes in those areas, but there are. The players are open and it is Wilson who is not throwing to them. They may be the third, fourth and fifth read, but a nine year future hall of fame quarterback has to take those open receivers. The supposition that Russell Wilson is so enamored with Pete that he will not throw to these open receivers because Pete is telling him not to is ridiculous.
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Re: Metcalf Calls Out Carroll
Mon Jan 25, 2021 7:47 pm
  • BASF wrote:
    Scorpion05 wrote:
    BASF wrote:
    irfuben32 wrote:I like that he has a good perspective on things.

    It still absolutely boggles my mind that cover 2 shut this offense down.

    They couldn't adjust to teams playing 2 deep safeties?

    High School coaches can make IN GAME adjustments to cover 2 defense. These guys couldn't figure it out over a several month period?


    Which is exactly why Russell Wilson got Brian Schottenheimer fired. Plays were called that had short and intermediate routes open, but Wilson did not take them. Pete does not like dink and dunk and coaches the offense to go deep against cover two.



    Fixed it for you. For Pete, the run game was always a replacement for the short passing game. He even said in his press conferences, that we have to run teams out of two-deep looks.

    Pete has literally given you all every hint and clue in the book how he wants the offense run, how he wants Wilson's reads to be and you're all expecting this methodical, Josh McDaniel like offense. It's bizarre.


    If it is as the anti-Pete posters suggest, there would be no reason at all to have routes in those areas, but there are. The players are open and it is Wilson who is not throwing to them. They may be the third, fourth and fifth read, but a nine year future hall of fame quarterback has to take those open receivers. The supposition that Russell Wilson is so enamored with Pete that he will not throw to these open receivers because Pete is telling him not to is ridiculous.


    It's beyond ridiculous. As much as posters want to immediately correlate rushing with losing, it just isn't the case - and if Russ continues to look off anything below the intermediate range, the rushing game is the ONLY remaining option to keep the chains moving somewhat reliably.

    It'll be interesting to see what the new OC draws up.
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Re: Metcalf Calls Out Carroll
Mon Jan 25, 2021 7:59 pm
  • Maelstrom787 wrote:
    BASF wrote:
    Scorpion05 wrote:
    BASF wrote:
    Which is exactly why Russell Wilson got Brian Schottenheimer fired. Plays were called that had short and intermediate routes open, but Wilson did not take them. Pete does not like dink and dunk and coaches the offense to go deep against cover two.



    Fixed it for you. For Pete, the run game was always a replacement for the short passing game. He even said in his press conferences, that we have to run teams out of two-deep looks.

    Pete has literally given you all every hint and clue in the book how he wants the offense run, how he wants Wilson's reads to be and you're all expecting this methodical, Josh McDaniel like offense. It's bizarre.


    If it is as the anti-Pete posters suggest, there would be no reason at all to have routes in those areas, but there are. The players are open and it is Wilson who is not throwing to them. They may be the third, fourth and fifth read, but a nine year future hall of fame quarterback has to take those open receivers. The supposition that Russell Wilson is so enamored with Pete that he will not throw to these open receivers because Pete is telling him not to is ridiculous.


    It's beyond ridiculous. As much as posters want to immediately correlate rushing with losing, it just isn't the case - and if Russ continues to look off anything below the intermediate range, the rushing game is the ONLY remaining option to keep the chains moving somewhat reliably.

    It'll be interesting to see what the new OC draws up.



    And yet not QB since PC arrival has throw short alot. None. So either all 3 of them are ignoring short routes or someone is telling them to. Also all 3 Qbs either in college or under other coaches have shown they can and do throw short.
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Re: Metcalf Calls Out Carroll
Mon Jan 25, 2021 8:10 pm
  • John63 wrote:
    Maelstrom787 wrote:
    BASF wrote:
    Scorpion05 wrote:

    Fixed it for you. For Pete, the run game was always a replacement for the short passing game. He even said in his press conferences, that we have to run teams out of two-deep looks.

    Pete has literally given you all every hint and clue in the book how he wants the offense run, how he wants Wilson's reads to be and you're all expecting this methodical, Josh McDaniel like offense. It's bizarre.


    If it is as the anti-Pete posters suggest, there would be no reason at all to have routes in those areas, but there are. The players are open and it is Wilson who is not throwing to them. They may be the third, fourth and fifth read, but a nine year future hall of fame quarterback has to take those open receivers. The supposition that Russell Wilson is so enamored with Pete that he will not throw to these open receivers because Pete is telling him not to is ridiculous.


    It's beyond ridiculous. As much as posters want to immediately correlate rushing with losing, it just isn't the case - and if Russ continues to look off anything below the intermediate range, the rushing game is the ONLY remaining option to keep the chains moving somewhat reliably.

    It'll be interesting to see what the new OC draws up.



    And yet not QB since PC arrival has throw short alot. None. So either all 3 of them are ignoring short routes or someone is telling them to. Also all 3 Qbs either in college or under other coaches have shown they can and do throw short.


    There's a difference between not throwing short a lot and ignoring short and intermediate routes that have literally been called by the coaching staff. I'd disagree that Hasselbeck and Jackson were ignoring short routes like Russ tends to.

    You seriously think they signed Matt Flynn because they wanted to bomb it and never throw the ball short/intermediate/over the middle? It's nonsense, man.
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Re: Metcalf Calls Out Carroll
Mon Jan 25, 2021 8:40 pm
  • BASF wrote:If it is as the anti-Pete posters suggest, there would be no reason at all to have routes in those areas, but there are. The players are open and it is Wilson who is not throwing to them. They may be the third, fourth and fifth read, but a nine year future hall of fame quarterback has to take those open receivers. The supposition that Russell Wilson is so enamored with Pete that he will not throw to these open receivers because Pete is telling him not to is ridiculous.


    I'm sure that there are several reasons why Russ did not see those "open" receivers....game after game. IMHO.....Russ was trampled so many times.....with tenths of a second to make those decisions....with so many long developing plays...
    ....he cannot think straight! PERIOD!! He needs a "Reset" this Winter. The new OC will hopefully be calling quicker developing plays.....behind a hopefully stronger Offensive Line. Hopefully, we will have Preseason games in 2021.
    It will not take long for we, the fans, to evaluate the anticipated changes.
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Re: Metcalf Calls Out Carroll
Mon Jan 25, 2021 8:49 pm
  • This is more of an indictement on the oc to me more than anything else
    If you have obvious weapons and cant figure out how to disguise them then what's the point
    Any good college coach should be able to contain that , really
    The adjustment is where the good separate themselves from the great and then the great go to the superb owl which we weren't obviously
    My concern is will we ever get back there
    The great teams are full of chemistry that works between coaches and team and front office
    Will pete ever find that OC with chemistry like he and seemingly schneider have as far as OC goes
    I'm very concerned about that as it could be the diffefrence between winning 11 games and another early out as opposed to 14 and a bye in the regular season
    As far as DK's comments , I believe he's just stating fact so no shots fired or ill will as he knew other teams were on to them
    After watching the chiefs beat the bill's this weekend , I'm very concerned we will get back to that kind of team
    I just know if we take some retread OC like schotty even though he did good at times , then were gonna do this all over again and I don't really want that, we need the right puzzle piece for us not somebody else
    I'd actually rather take a season or TWO of complete and utter suckatude than do that again , been there many many times myself
    either way
    GO Hawks
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Re: Metcalf Calls Out Carroll
Mon Jan 25, 2021 8:58 pm
  • Remember when hass had a really good year then a bad year as qb , it almost seemed like you could go by what he did previously to predict what was going to happen
    I'd really like to keep getting better on an ascending line as opposed to what seemed like a mosh pit of coaches dueling for position than see this start to playout again
    It's a love hate relationship sometimes when you feel like you have the players with the ability but have coaches battle it out I guess is what looks to always be the case for teams like us
    Teams good enough to get there but not able to get over some invisible hump and coalesce into a real power like I got the feeling from reid and maholmes
    Go Hawks
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Re: Metcalf Calls Out Carroll
Mon Jan 25, 2021 9:19 pm
  • https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2 ... re-us-out/

    “Teams just started to figure us out,” Metcalf told former NFL receiver Brandon Marshall on the I Am Athlete podcast. “We’ve been running deep pass, ever since Pete [Carroll] got there. Play-action. Run the ball, run the ball, run the ball, go deep. Teams just said, ‘We’re just not gonna let you all go deep.'”

    Metcalf’s remarks suggest two things. First, he’s passing along a narrative he heard from someone whose presence on the team predates his. The 2019 second-round pick has picked up that characterization from one or more other Seahawks players, possibly including quarterback Russell Wilson. Second, it reflects an implicit frustration regarding the inability of the offense to counter the steps taken by the defense to neutralize an attack.

    Metcalf, and presumably others on the team’s offense, believe things have been too simple, too easy to figure out, too unimaginative when it comes to getting the ball in the hands of playmakers, like Metcalf. And they’re not putting it on the offensive coordinator; they’re pointing a finger in the general direction of the head coach.
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Re: Metcalf Calls Out Carroll
Mon Jan 25, 2021 9:26 pm
  • massari wrote:https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/01/25/dk-metcalf-on-seattles-offensive-struggles-teams-just-started-to-figure-us-out/

    “Teams just started to figure us out,” Metcalf told former NFL receiver Brandon Marshall on the I Am Athlete podcast. “We’ve been running deep pass, ever since Pete [Carroll] got there. Play-action. Run the ball, run the ball, run the ball, go deep. Teams just said, ‘We’re just not gonna let you all go deep.'”

    Metcalf’s remarks suggest two things. First, he’s passing along a narrative he heard from someone whose presence on the team predates his. The 2019 second-round pick has picked up that characterization from one or more other Seahawks players, possibly including quarterback Russell Wilson. Second, it reflects an implicit frustration regarding the inability of the offense to counter the steps taken by the defense to neutralize an attack.

    Metcalf, and presumably others on the team’s offense, believe things have been too simple, too easy to figure out, too unimaginative when it comes to getting the ball in the hands of playmakers, like Metcalf. And they’re not putting it on the offensive coordinator; they’re pointing a finger in the general direction of the head coach.


    It's an obvious dig at Carroll and he is right. But the response here will be to attack the source.
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Re: Metcalf Calls Out Carroll
Mon Jan 25, 2021 9:28 pm
  • BASF wrote:
    If it is as the anti-Pete posters suggest, there would be no reason at all to have routes in those areas, but there are. The players are open and it is Wilson who is not throwing to them. They may be the third, fourth and fifth read, but a nine year future hall of fame quarterback has to take those open receivers. The supposition that Russell Wilson is so enamored with Pete that he will not throw to these open receivers because Pete is telling him not to is ridiculous.



    Respectfully, I don't think you're trying to hear the point being made.

    This isn't about being anti-Pete. I love Pete. I'm also explaining why our offense runs the way it does.

    Schotty ran an Air Coryell offense. The goal of that offense is to have two receivers deep, combined with a running threat. That doesn't mean there won't be any short routes in the route tree, that would be silly for any offense. But the Quarterback is given the chance to analyze the offense and either switch to a run play, or go with the pass. The offense is heavy on pre-snap looks, which is also why defenses often switched their looks after the snap.

    Again, you are bashing Russ for not choosing to pass short when the offense literally predicates the ORDER of his reads. Field Gulls, plenty of analysts have covered this and yet this is ignored to push basic narratives. Pete does not want a dink and dunk offense. If anything, the (moderated) West Coast offense under Bevell was more suitable for that.
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Re: Metcalf Calls Out Carroll
Mon Jan 25, 2021 9:29 pm
  • Ultimately, offenses and defenses are constantly needing to evolve.

    The bright side is that when you have the talent, will and intelligence of Russ nothing is too far gone. Similarly with Aaron Rodgers, who had a few down years and looked to be declining, new offensive coaching had a major impact and helped him back to MVP form; I believe the same can happen for Russ.

    I'm cautiously encouraged by the duration of this OC search. If Pete had been stubborn he'd have one of his guys in place or a run first guy like Lynn. Instead it's been a pretty system diverse list of runored candidates to this point. Again, cautiously optimistic.
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Re: Metcalf Calls Out Carroll
Mon Jan 25, 2021 9:37 pm
  • John63 wrote:
    Maelstrom787 wrote:
    BASF wrote:
    Scorpion05 wrote:

    Fixed it for you. For Pete, the run game was always a replacement for the short passing game. He even said in his press conferences, that we have to run teams out of two-deep looks.

    Pete has literally given you all every hint and clue in the book how he wants the offense run, how he wants Wilson's reads to be and you're all expecting this methodical, Josh McDaniel like offense. It's bizarre.


    If it is as the anti-Pete posters suggest, there would be no reason at all to have routes in those areas, but there are. The players are open and it is Wilson who is not throwing to them. They may be the third, fourth and fifth read, but a nine year future hall of fame quarterback has to take those open receivers. The supposition that Russell Wilson is so enamored with Pete that he will not throw to these open receivers because Pete is telling him not to is ridiculous.


    It's beyond ridiculous. As much as posters want to immediately correlate rushing with losing, it just isn't the case - and if Russ continues to look off anything below the intermediate range, the rushing game is the ONLY remaining option to keep the chains moving somewhat reliably.

    It'll be interesting to see what the new OC draws up.



    And yet not QB since PC arrival has throw short alot. None. So either all 3 of them are ignoring short routes or someone is telling them to. Also all 3 Qbs either in college or under other coaches have shown they can and do throw short.



    1st Read - Deep Route
    2nd Read - Deep Route
    3rd Read - Intermediate route (pass rush getting past the average/poor O-line by this point)
    4th Read - Intermediate or short route (pass rush in Wilson's face)

    Fans: "Why is Russ not taking the short throws immediately it makes no sense!!"

    We have called game plans with quick hitting plays. We did it against the Niners defense last year and the Steelers defense. That was possible, in part because the secondary for those defenses could be exposed. No one is saying RW doesn't miss reads/throws. But this cognitive dissonance some are showing here on how the Air Coryell offense works, and how our offense works is silly. The big play is critical to Pete's offense. It's what Pete thrives on.

    The problem is, Pete only sees big plays as bombs over the top. Not 50 yard WR reverses and screens. He's not creative enough for that.
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Re: Metcalf Calls Out Carroll
Mon Jan 25, 2021 9:46 pm
  • Scorpion05 wrote:
    BASF wrote:
    If it is as the anti-Pete posters suggest, there would be no reason at all to have routes in those areas, but there are. The players are open and it is Wilson who is not throwing to them. They may be the third, fourth and fifth read, but a nine year future hall of fame quarterback has to take those open receivers. The supposition that Russell Wilson is so enamored with Pete that he will not throw to these open receivers because Pete is telling him not to is ridiculous.



    Respectfully, I don't think you're trying to hear the point being made.

    This isn't about being anti-Pete. I love Pete. I'm also explaining why our offense runs the way it does.

    Schotty ran an Air Coryell offense. The goal of that offense is to have two receivers deep, combined with a running threat. That doesn't mean there won't be any short routes in the route tree, that would be silly for any offense. But the Quarterback is given the chance to analyze the offense and either switch to a run play, or go with the pass. The offense is heavy on pre-snap looks, which is also why defenses often switched their looks after the snap.

    Again, you are bashing Russ for not choosing to pass short when the offense literally predicates the ORDER of his reads. Field Gulls, plenty of analysts have covered this and yet this is ignored to push basic narratives. Pete does not want a dink and dunk offense. If anything, the (moderated) West Coast offense under Bevell was more suitable for that.


    You and I are saying the exact same thing, however, I am putting at Wilson's feet that the third, fourth and fifth reads (as stated in the post you quoted) are not being thrown to when they are in fact open. Either he is not going through his progressions as any year nine QB (let alone a future HoFer) should do or he is foregoing those routes for the deeper shots even if they are well defended to the point of holding the ball too long and creating sacks.
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Re: Metcalf Calls Out Carroll
Mon Jan 25, 2021 9:48 pm
  • The editorialized thread title is misleading. Metcalf is just stating the obvious; teams playing cover 2 against us would have been something previous Hawks would have salivated over, and yet we couldn't take advantage of that this year for a long list of reasons.

    Carroll has an issue with taking unnecessary risks with the football, just like most good head coaches. Some of his big picture preferences can be debatable; avoiding 3rd down arm punts, avoiding throwing intermediate receivers open, avoiding throwing 50/50 jump balls and what not. However, the idea that he is tinkering with the X's and O's in the offensive playbook or telling Russ not to throw short passes is just silly.
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Re: Metcalf Calls Out Carroll
Mon Jan 25, 2021 9:53 pm
  • BASF wrote:
    Scorpion05 wrote:
    BASF wrote:
    If it is as the anti-Pete posters suggest, there would be no reason at all to have routes in those areas, but there are. The players are open and it is Wilson who is not throwing to them. They may be the third, fourth and fifth read, but a nine year future hall of fame quarterback has to take those open receivers. The supposition that Russell Wilson is so enamored with Pete that he will not throw to these open receivers because Pete is telling him not to is ridiculous.



    Respectfully, I don't think you're trying to hear the point being made.

    This isn't about being anti-Pete. I love Pete. I'm also explaining why our offense runs the way it does.

    Schotty ran an Air Coryell offense. The goal of that offense is to have two receivers deep, combined with a running threat. That doesn't mean there won't be any short routes in the route tree, that would be silly for any offense. But the Quarterback is given the chance to analyze the offense and either switch to a run play, or go with the pass. The offense is heavy on pre-snap looks, which is also why defenses often switched their looks after the snap.

    Again, you are bashing Russ for not choosing to pass short when the offense literally predicates the ORDER of his reads. Field Gulls, plenty of analysts have covered this and yet this is ignored to push basic narratives. Pete does not want a dink and dunk offense. If anything, the (moderated) West Coast offense under Bevell was more suitable for that.


    You and I are saying the exact same thing, however, I am putting at Wilson's feet that the third, fourth and fifth reads (as stated in the post you quoted) are not being thrown to when they are in fact open. Either he is not going through his progressions as any year nine QB (let alone a future HoFer) should do or he is foregoing those routes for the deeper shots even if they are well defended to the point of holding the ball too long and creating sacks.


    Not only that, but he was missing some of his primary deep reads, too. DK was at least 60/40 open several times on a specific long fade concept that Schotty was calling where he'd get between the corner and the cloud safety. Russ didn't take it until garbage time. I think it's fair to say that something was fundamentally off with Russ as the season closed, just as there was something fundamentally wrong in the defensive backfields communication in the first half of the season. He was gun-shy, for one reason or another, and if he's not going to take those small windows deep like he has, then he has to be more open to considering those secondary and tertiary outlets. Otherwise, you get what we saw - trouble sustaining drives, holding the ball until pressure arrives, and generally disjointed play.
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Re: Metcalf Calls Out Carroll
Mon Jan 25, 2021 10:09 pm
  • massari wrote:https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/01/25/dk-metcalf-on-seattles-offensive-struggles-teams-just-started-to-figure-us-out/

    “Teams just started to figure us out,” Metcalf told former NFL receiver Brandon Marshall on the I Am Athlete podcast. “We’ve been running deep pass, ever since Pete [Carroll] got there. Play-action. Run the ball, run the ball, run the ball, go deep. Teams just said, ‘We’re just not gonna let you all go deep.'”

    Metcalf’s remarks suggest two things. First, he’s passing along a narrative he heard from someone whose presence on the team predates his. The 2019 second-round pick has picked up that characterization from one or more other Seahawks players, possibly including quarterback Russell Wilson. Second, it reflects an implicit frustration regarding the inability of the offense to counter the steps taken by the defense to neutralize an attack.

    Metcalf, and presumably others on the team’s offense, believe things have been too simple, too easy to figure out, too unimaginative when it comes to getting the ball in the hands of playmakers, like Metcalf. And they’re not putting it on the offensive coordinator; they’re pointing a finger in the general direction of the head coach.

    I think this is spot on.
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Re: Metcalf Calls Out Carroll
Mon Jan 25, 2021 10:23 pm
  • BASF wrote:
    irfuben32 wrote:I like that he has a good perspective on things.

    It still absolutely boggles my mind that cover 2 shut this offense down.

    They couldn't adjust to teams playing 2 deep safeties?

    High School coaches can make IN GAME adjustments to cover 2 defense. These guys couldn't figure it out over a several month period?


    Which is exactly why Russell Wilson got Brian Schottenheimer fired. Plays were called that had short and intermediate routes open, but Wilson did not take them. He was almost always looking to go deep against cover two.



    Hm so you have proof Wilson got Schotty fired? Or is this more of the made up Wilson hating crap. Goodbye
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Re: Metcalf Calls Out Carroll
Mon Jan 25, 2021 10:34 pm
  • Thank you DK, it needed to be said!

    Big time lack of creativity from this offensive system once teams just started playing two high safety's. I was yelling at the tv the whole second of the year, where are the bootlegs, the quick crossers and natural pick plays. And where were the outlets on 3rd and long. Sometimes you just need an outlet and let a guy try and break some tackles. We have the talent on that side of the ball, that's undeniable. We need a young, fresh offensive mind to give Russ a reset. It happened in GB, Rodgers stats and overall play had been declining for several years. But then he gets a new up-to-date system, and he's back to MVP form in year 2.
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Re: Metcalf Calls Out Carroll
Mon Jan 25, 2021 11:05 pm
  • Scorpion05 wrote:
    Maelstrom787 wrote:I don't really know what DK is getting at here. There were tons of short and intermediate options called that were left unthrown. The rushing split wasn't outrageously high by any means, either. Only tenth highest # of play action plays called, and the top-10 is full of good offenses. Surely, DK isn't criticizing going deep, seeing as that's basically the reason he's a star?

    In before the predictable overreactions come in, I guess.



    This has been explained ad-nauseam by NFL analysts, including Sam Gold.

    Russ' reads are to go long first, then short. Team has never been a dink and dunk coach. You're asking the offense to do something it has only done under Carrol when Wilson is injured.

    Also, Schotty's formation was extremely predictable and easy to defend. Teams could double DK and shift most of the defense towards the other side in the shotgun trips formation. DK's point is we threatened with the run, and prioritized throwing it deep. We played as if DK and Russ could dominate defenses with the deep ball no matter what. That simply didn't happen against better defenses.


    I'm not asking the offense to do anything in my post.

    The offense being predicated on the deep ball is not a valid summary of DK's comment here, which includes "play action, run, run, run, go deep." That's not an accurate depiction of the offensive scheme ran in 2020. It'd fit better for the previous Seattle teams that ran heavy run splits.

    If anything, DK is the one implying that the offense should be doing something else, not me. Regardless, the secondary and tertiary reads were largely there, and they were generally passed up. Even the primary reads with DK splitting into the window between the corner and top safety were passed up in the playoff game until garbage time.

    That's probably largely on the offensive coordinator, who didn't adjust when the high-flying offense broke down, and didn't adjust very well when Russell wasn't executing.
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Re: Metcalf Calls Out Carroll
Mon Jan 25, 2021 11:14 pm
  • A_Biased_Fan wrote:Thank you DK, it needed to be said!

    Big time lack of creativity from this offensive system once teams just started playing two high safety's. I was yelling at the tv the whole second of the year, where are the bootlegs, the quick crossers and natural pick plays. And where were the outlets on 3rd and long. Sometimes you just need an outlet and let a guy try and break some tackles. We have the talent on that side of the ball, that's undeniable. We need a young, fresh offensive mind to give Russ a reset. It happened in GB, Rodgers stats and overall play had been declining for several years. But then he gets a new up-to-date system, and he's back to MVP form in year 2.


    Perceptions are always interesting. The thing that the Packers lacked in McCarthy's last two seasons were a running game and a willingness to use it to set up things. Looking at Rodgers numbers, the difference from LaFleur to McCarthy was not that great until this season when Jones averaged 5.5 ypc and his backups averaged 4.5 ypc. When your running backs are moving the chains you can throw anywhere at anytime and the defense is off balance.

    https://www.packersnews.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2019/06/14/running-game-reps-evidence-packers-offensive-emphasis-change/1445328001/

    The fact that the Packers ran eighty times more in 2019 than 2018 and thirty more times than that in 2020 is what revitalized Rodgers career. The fact that McCarthy didn't use a stud like Jones when he averaged 5.5 in 2018 is what cost the Packers games and McCarthy's job, especially when keeping your poor defense off the field by controlling the clock more than just letting Rodgers carry the load seemed to be McCarthy's plan.
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Re: Metcalf Calls Out Carroll
Mon Jan 25, 2021 11:27 pm
  • A_Biased_Fan wrote:Thank you DK, it needed to be said!

    Big time lack of creativity from this offensive system once teams just started playing two high safety's. I was yelling at the tv the whole second of the year, where are the bootlegs, the quick crossers and natural pick plays. And where were the outlets on 3rd and long. Sometimes you just need an outlet and let a guy try and break some tackles. We have the talent on that side of the ball, that's undeniable. We need a young, fresh offensive mind to give Russ a reset. It happened in GB, Rodgers stats and overall play had been declining for several years. But then he gets a new up-to-date system, and he's back to MVP form in year 2.


    Nuce post. And I agree, I only hope it happens.
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Re: Metcalf Calls Out Carroll
Tue Jan 26, 2021 2:18 am
  • BASF wrote:
    A_Biased_Fan wrote:Thank you DK, it needed to be said!

    Big time lack of creativity from this offensive system once teams just started playing two high safety's. I was yelling at the tv the whole second of the year, where are the bootlegs, the quick crossers and natural pick plays. And where were the outlets on 3rd and long. Sometimes you just need an outlet and let a guy try and break some tackles. We have the talent on that side of the ball, that's undeniable. We need a young, fresh offensive mind to give Russ a reset. It happened in GB, Rodgers stats and overall play had been declining for several years. But then he gets a new up-to-date system, and he's back to MVP form in year 2.


    Perceptions are always interesting. The thing that the Packers lacked in McCarthy's last two seasons were a running game and a willingness to use it to set up things. Looking at Rodgers numbers, the difference from LaFleur to McCarthy was not that great until this season when Jones averaged 5.5 ypc and his backups averaged 4.5 ypc. When your running backs are moving the chains you can throw anywhere at anytime and the defense is off balance.

    https://www.packersnews.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2019/06/14/running-game-reps-evidence-packers-offensive-emphasis-change/1445328001/

    The fact that the Packers ran eighty times more in 2019 than 2018 and thirty more times than that in 2020 is what revitalized Rodgers career. The fact that McCarthy didn't use a stud like Jones when he averaged 5.5 in 2018 is what cost the Packers games and McCarthy's job, especially when keeping your poor defense off the field by controlling the clock more than just letting Rodgers carry the load seemed to be McCarthy's plan.

    A big part of that revitalization was getting Rodgers to accept that. LaFleur's first season was spent trying to get Rodgers to trust the play calls more and take the yards the play produced as opposed to always trying to hold out for more.
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Re: Metcalf Calls Out Carroll
Tue Jan 26, 2021 6:33 am
  • Teams absolutely DID figure out the offense. And Pete and the coaching staff flat out refused to adjust.
    But I'm sure people will somehow turn this in to some DK is a diva spin. Meh, he's right.
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Re: Metcalf Calls Out Carroll
Tue Jan 26, 2021 9:02 am
  • [vimeo][/vimeo]Too predictable???

    Really???

    As others have asked here where were the answers? Why was it BS could simply NOT adjust? Where was the innovation?

    Some here will blame Pete, wanting to run the ball, but with zero 100 yard/game rushers this last season you wonder if the real problem wasn’t that the opponents knew what the team was going to do and stuffed it.

    Watching TE screens, and both Rogers and Brady use their TEs and their middle game, we get a clearer picture of what wasn’t happening in Schotty’s schemes. It clearly was time for a change.

    Very much doubt Metcalf was calling Pete out.
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Re: Metcalf Calls Out Carroll
Tue Jan 26, 2021 9:07 am
  • Metcalf certainly simplified it about as much as it possibly could be but what he said is absolutely true:

    1) offense wants to run and throw deep
    2) teams were no longer letting us throw deep
    3) we didn’t adjust/change anything
    4) this is how it’s always been ever since Pete Carroll got here

    ^whats to argue about this? Even Pete Carroll agrees with this for crying out loud.

    1)everyone on our team agrees with this including the head coach
    2) literally only Pete Carroll defenders are saying it’s RW fault

    3) the only difference in opinion on our team from what to do about this analysis is Pete and his supporters want to run more and look for the deep pass less. That’s literally the summation of their “adjustments”. And it’s an extraordinarily bad opinion given what we’ve seen and the results it’s produced. Pete defenders want to defend the results by quoting playoff appearances, and sure, Peteball, given our high quality of personnel, is good enough to get us wildcards and an occasional division title. But it is not good enough to meaningfully compete once we get there, as the results show, and if there is any drop off in our personnel talent level, or if we just have bad luck in how the ball bounces or a call is made, then this team won’t even sniff playoffs.
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Re: Metcalf Calls Out Carroll
Tue Jan 26, 2021 9:34 am
  • Coincidence that it was Brandon Marshall doing the interview? The same guy who said there is trouble brewing in Seattle? This is 100% Wilson calling out Pete through DK. The power struggle between Pete and RW is real, and I think there is a real possibility that 2021-22 is RW's last year in Seattle. What a shame.
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Re: Metcalf Calls Out Carroll
Tue Jan 26, 2021 12:38 pm
  • iigakusei wrote:Coincidence that it was Brandon Marshall doing the interview? The same guy who said there is trouble brewing in Seattle? This is 100% Wilson calling out Pete through DK. The power struggle between Pete and RW is real, and I think there is a real possibility that 2021-22 is RW's last year in Seattle. What a shame.

    Marshall held Seattle with high praise all year, since the beginning of the season, actually, but Seattle failed to deliver.

    I’m also disappointed like Marshall is.

    It is what it is.
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Re: Metcalf Calls Out Carroll
Tue Jan 26, 2021 1:40 pm
  • iigakusei wrote:Coincidence that it was Brandon Marshall doing the interview? The same guy who said there is trouble brewing in Seattle? This is 100% Wilson calling out Pete through DK. The power struggle between Pete and RW is real, and I think there is a real possibility that 2021-22 is RW's last year in Seattle. What a shame.


    Of course you have no proof this is Wilson speaking through DK, Maybe its Lockett, Maybe it's the whole offense, maybe it's the whole team or maybe its just DK.

    I do agree something will change, how soon not sure.
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Re: Metcalf Calls Out Carroll
Tue Jan 26, 2021 2:41 pm
  • That's just so embarrassing.
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Re: Metcalf Calls Out Carroll
Tue Jan 26, 2021 2:54 pm
  • Hawaii-hawk wrote:2) literally only Pete Carroll defenders are saying it’s RW fault


    This is funny. There are a lot of people in the media who are pointing out that Wilson is not taking his check downs. It isn't some secret that the Seahawks have the third and fourth reads that are not being thrown to. There are plenty of videos out there pointing it out. It does not make them Pete Carroll defenders. It makes them people who study film and do not believe that behind closed doors, Carroll is telling Wilson not to throw to third and fourth receivers if they are in the short or intermediate routes.
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Re: Metcalf Calls Out Carroll
Tue Jan 26, 2021 2:58 pm
  • John63 wrote:
    iigakusei wrote:Coincidence that it was Brandon Marshall doing the interview? The same guy who said there is trouble brewing in Seattle? This is 100% Wilson calling out Pete through DK. The power struggle between Pete and RW is real, and I think there is a real possibility that 2021-22 is RW's last year in Seattle. What a shame.


    Of course you have no proof this is Wilson speaking through DK, Maybe its Lockett, Maybe it's the whole offense, maybe it's the whole team or maybe its just DK.

    I do agree something will change, how soon not sure.


    Obviously it would be near impossible to find out if it was russ who was using BM as a way to push this narrative, whether its right or wrong. But I dont think its a terrible guess or take considering how ever since brandons time in seattle, hes done nothing but speak to how he was treated by the team and by russ, and how pro seattle/russ hes been since then. It could be coming from russ, or it could be coming from someone else in the orginization as BM did say he still talks to players/members of seattle. I def dont think its out of any sort of hating regardless tho since he has been super in on the hawks despite not having played for them for very long. Dude just seems like he really enjoyed his time there and wants sea and/or russ to succeed.
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Re: Metcalf Calls Out Carroll
Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:13 pm
  • Lawke wrote:
    John63 wrote:
    iigakusei wrote:Coincidence that it was Brandon Marshall doing the interview? The same guy who said there is trouble brewing in Seattle? This is 100% Wilson calling out Pete through DK. The power struggle between Pete and RW is real, and I think there is a real possibility that 2021-22 is RW's last year in Seattle. What a shame.


    Of course you have no proof this is Wilson speaking through DK, Maybe its Lockett, Maybe it's the whole offense, maybe it's the whole team or maybe its just DK.

    I do agree something will change, how soon not sure.


    Obviously it would be near impossible to find out if it was russ who was using BM as a way to push this narrative, whether its right or wrong. But I dont think its a terrible guess or take considering how ever since brandons time in seattle, hes done nothing but speak to how he was treated by the team and by russ, and how pro seattle/russ hes been since then. It could be coming from russ, or it could be coming from someone else in the orginization as BM did say he still talks to players/members of seattle. I def dont think its out of any sort of hating regardless tho since he has been super in on the hawks despite not having played for them for very long. Dude just seems like he really enjoyed his time there and wants sea and/or russ to succeed.



    when you take a statement that can be attributed to anyone of 50+ people and only attributed it to one you are trying to put blame on one person and stir trouble. Now if you say it could have been or I think it is Wilson or Tyler or whoever fine, but what was said was "100% Wilson calling out Pete through DK." not could be not maybe not I think but 100% that is nothing but BS. IF you are going to say it is 100% anyone you need proof or all you are doing is stirring the pot.
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Re: Metcalf Calls Out Carroll
Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:24 pm
  • Well, which scenario is more likely to happen first; Pete gets fired/resignation or Russell gets traded?
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Re: Metcalf Calls Out Carroll
Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:24 pm
  • John63 wrote:
    Lawke wrote:
    John63 wrote:
    iigakusei wrote:Coincidence that it was Brandon Marshall doing the interview? The same guy who said there is trouble brewing in Seattle? This is 100% Wilson calling out Pete through DK. The power struggle between Pete and RW is real, and I think there is a real possibility that 2021-22 is RW's last year in Seattle. What a shame.


    Of course you have no proof this is Wilson speaking through DK, Maybe its Lockett, Maybe it's the whole offense, maybe it's the whole team or maybe its just DK.

    I do agree something will change, how soon not sure.


    Obviously it would be near impossible to find out if it was russ who was using BM as a way to push this narrative, whether its right or wrong. But I dont think its a terrible guess or take considering how ever since brandons time in seattle, hes done nothing but speak to how he was treated by the team and by russ, and how pro seattle/russ hes been since then. It could be coming from russ, or it could be coming from someone else in the orginization as BM did say he still talks to players/members of seattle. I def dont think its out of any sort of hating regardless tho since he has been super in on the hawks despite not having played for them for very long. Dude just seems like he really enjoyed his time there and wants sea and/or russ to succeed.



    when you take a statement that can be attributed to anyone of 50+ people and only attributed it to one you are trying to put blame on one person and stir trouble. Now if you say it could have been or I think it is Wilson or Tyler or whoever fine, but what was said was "100% Wilson calling out Pete through DK." not could be not maybe not I think but 100% that is nothing but BS. IF you are going to say it is 100% anyone you need proof or all you are doing is stirring the pot.

    I don't need proof actually. It is called speaking in hyperbole for effect (look it up if you don't know what it means). It wasn't a knock on Wilson by the way so I am sorry if I offended you, it is just what I am sure is going on behind the scenes. RW and DK are super close off the field, "been that way since Pete got here", etc. etc. Pretty obvious methinks that all signs are pointing to a RW and Pete power struggle over the direction of the offense.
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Re: Metcalf Calls Out Carroll
Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:43 pm
  • When Carroll leaves, it is going to be a dark day here.

    There is a distinct difference between being frustrated with Carroll when he repeatedly fails to take advantage of opportunities available with the resources he has....and simply not being happy with him or wanting him gone.

    Wilson will be gone before Carroll is. And if, for whatever reason, Carroll calls it quits beforehand?

    The chances we upgrade from Carroll are low. And the chances this team is better once he leaves become low too.

    Metcalf is in for a rough ride, because this is not the best place for a WR. Carroll simply won't maximize the ability there.

    And Wilson is always going to produce less than he could under a great offense.

    But this is it. This is the ceiling. So hoping to hasten Carroll's departure is crazy.

    He is old. His best days are behind him. And he is a net negative on gameday. But his ability to fill gaps in the roster simply cannot be overstated. Few coaches could make this roster work.
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Re: Metcalf Calls Out Carroll
Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:46 pm
  • Outstanding coach and motivator. But it does feel like a change is needed. But it's not likely to happen for a long while.
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Re: Metcalf Calls Out Carroll
Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:53 pm
  • BASF wrote:
    Hawaii-hawk wrote:2) literally only Pete Carroll defenders are saying it’s RW fault


    This is funny. There are a lot of people in the media who are pointing out that Wilson is not taking his check downs. It isn't some secret that the Seahawks have the third and fourth reads that are not being thrown to. There are plenty of videos out there pointing it out. It does not make them Pete Carroll defenders. It makes them people who study film and do not believe that behind closed doors, Carroll is telling Wilson not to throw to third and fourth receivers if they are in the short or intermediate routes.


    Show me the “media people” that are saying the offensive problems of the Seahawks are due primarily to RW.

    My guess is you can’t, you’re just taking whatever flaws in RWs game as pointed out by the media and taking it to whatever conclusion you want.

    Don’t worry, Pete’s gonna run it more. All our problems are solved. Just relax till next season and prepare your kudos to Pete for another wonderful season of barely scraping by garbage teams and getting killed by good ones all the way to a wildcard and massacre in the playoffs. Yay
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Re: Metcalf Calls Out Carroll
Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:55 pm
  • That's the spirit :irishdrinkers:
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Re: Metcalf Calls Out Carroll
Tue Jan 26, 2021 6:16 pm
  • Where’s the irony in the fact that it took DK, not Russ, to make a point???

    I love the message and hopefully (not likely) this hits Pete in the balls. Russ, too actually.

    I mean what a perfect point by DK. It’s obvious and I’m glad he said it.
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