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  • Per Adam Schefter, Seahawks hire passing game coach Shane Waldron as new Offensive Coordinator. What do you guys think? My first thought was, makes sense to hire the passing game coordinator when you want to run the ball more.

    https://www.thescore.com/nfl/news/2100621
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  • BEASTM0DE wrote:Per Adam Schefter, Seahawks hire passing game coach Shane Waldron as new Offensive Coordinator. What do you guys think? My first thought was, makes sense to hire the passing game coordinator when you want to run the ball more.

    https://www.thescore.com/nfl/news/2100621



    Just saw it, this tells me Wilson, DK and others got their point across to PC.
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  • BEASTM0DE wrote:Per Adam Schefter, Seahawks hire passing game coach Shane Waldron as new Offensive Coordinator. What do you guys think? My first thought was, makes sense to hire the passing game coordinator when you want to run the ball more.

    https://www.thescore.com/nfl/news/2100621


    Shane Waldron has coached every single position on offense other than running back. Offensive line, tight ends, quarterback, receivers. His experience as an OL coach likely makes him a fine candidate not only for a more efficient running game, but a tremendously varied pass scheme. Don't forget, this guy coached under McVay in Washington AND LA, and they pounded Gurley HARD.

    No reason to think he'll be a liability in the architecture of a better running AND passing attack.

    I'm expecting them to carry over about 70% of Schottenheimer's scheme, which included really effective deep routes and zone beaters. Where I'm expecting a new spin on things is adding a lot of lateral movement in the rushing game as well as a lot more sweep action in the passing game. The fundamentals of what Waldron would run if similar to McVay is already there, but the changes figure to space out boxes for easier rushes, open guys short, and take tons of pressure off of the offensive line.
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  • Maelstrom787 wrote:
    BEASTM0DE wrote:Per Adam Schefter, Seahawks hire passing game coach Shane Waldron as new Offensive Coordinator. What do you guys think? My first thought was, makes sense to hire the passing game coordinator when you want to run the ball more.

    https://www.thescore.com/nfl/news/2100621


    Shane Waldron has coached every single position on offense other than running back. Offensive line, tight ends, quarterback. His experience as an OL coach likely makes him a fine candidate not only for a more efficient running game, but a tremendously varied pass scheme. Don't forget, this guy coached under McVay in Washington AND LA, and they pounded Gurley HARD.

    No reason to think he'll be a liability in the architecture of a better running AND passing attack.


    Man this is awesome. I just wanted a guy from a successful system that was going to bring in some up to date concepts. We got that, and took someone away from the Rams to boot. Hopefully he has some of that boy-genius McVay magic.
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  • Now, after so many years of playing football can they train Russell to look short, medium, long sometimes instead of always looking long, medium, short?

    Asking for a friend. :twisted:
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  • A_Biased_Fan wrote:
    Maelstrom787 wrote:
    BEASTM0DE wrote:Per Adam Schefter, Seahawks hire passing game coach Shane Waldron as new Offensive Coordinator. What do you guys think? My first thought was, makes sense to hire the passing game coordinator when you want to run the ball more.

    https://www.thescore.com/nfl/news/2100621


    Shane Waldron has coached every single position on offense other than running back. Offensive line, tight ends, quarterback. His experience as an OL coach likely makes him a fine candidate not only for a more efficient running game, but a tremendously varied pass scheme. Don't forget, this guy coached under McVay in Washington AND LA, and they pounded Gurley HARD.

    No reason to think he'll be a liability in the architecture of a better running AND passing attack.


    Man this is awesome. I just wanted a guy from a successful system that was going to bring in some up to date concepts. We got that, and took someone away from the Rams to boot. Hopefully he has some of that boy-genius McVay magic.


    He's certainly intimately familiar with the scheme. It likely won't look exactly the same, but he's gonna bring over a lot of brand-new concepts that'll at the very least diversify the attack. I'd wager they're gonna improve considerably on third down, rush it a bit more (but with more sweep motion, etc.), and really open things up as far as keeping the opposing D off-balance.
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  • Nice, I'm happy about this
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  • I like this hire as well.
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  • Guys...

    This is a consensus good hire.

    Pete Carroll brought unity to Seahawks.net.
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  • LOVE.
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  • I hate it.

    We couldn't hire anyone better?

    Just kidding. Seemed like everyone felt mutual, wanted to go against the grain for a millisecond.
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  • Probably like everyone here, I have been waiting for this post. From a quick look at wikipedia this will be his first gig as an OC. With all his TE coaching/playing experience, we may actually see that position used more, which would be great.
    Optimistic :229031_victory:
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  • Helps us and hurts the Rams (our kryptonite) at the same time. Hell yeah! Great hire!!!


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  • Let’s hope Pete gets out of the way and let’s him do his thing.
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  • Meh hire a dude who’s never called a player at any level with the rams passing attack that was awful without Kupp on the field.

    Should have at least interviewed Buffalos dude
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  • Momofantv wrote:Meh hire a dude who’s never called a player at any level with the rams passing attack that was awful without Kupp on the field.

    Should have at least interviewed Buffalos dude


    They did interview Dorsey... who doesn't call plays in Buffalo, and also has no experience as a playcaller.

    Goff is a slightly better Blake Bortles. They got to a Super Bowl with him at quarterback by having a varied scheme that not only passes well but also works hand-in-hand with a good rushing attack that utilizes sweeps to great effect, spreading the box out. Now, he has a quarterback in Russell Wilson who is capable of great things in the deep passing realm.
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  • Doesnt matter who gets hired. Carroll will neuter any scheme and run the offense his way as usual. Its going to be the same old snapping the ball with 1 second left on the play clock and throwing 50 yard bombs on 3rd and short.
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  • I said in another thread you could have Don Coryell hired and it would not matter if Pete says though shalt not pass, then we will get the same results.

    Walden can use this promotion as a step up to a Head Coaching Job done right, or fade to black if handcuffed and he can't fight his way out of Pete's paper bag.
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  • pittpnthrs wrote:Doesnt matter who gets hired. Carroll will neuter any scheme and run the offense his way as usual. Its going to be the same old snapping the ball with 1 second left on the play clock and throwing 50 yard bombs on 3rd and short.



    LOL
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  • Here's my take fwiw...

    Obviously since we play the Rams at least twice a year, Waldron is very familiar with how archaic and predictable our offensive schemes have been under Carroll. Knowing this, I have to believe during the interview, Waldron asked Carroll if he's going to allow him to completely revamp and run his own scheme with very little if any interference. If not, I can't imagine Waldron would be willing to come here knowing he's just going to be another fall guy while having to run Pete's tired, ineffective, and outdated schemes.

    I honestly don't know anything about Waldron, but I do like the fact that he's coming from the McVay coaching tree, who I think is one of the brightest young head coaches in the NFL.

    But on the flip side of the coin, the fact that this will be his first OC job, I have to wonder just how much autonomy he's going to be given by Pete. Is it realistic to think Pete would give a rookie OC full autonomy? Is he finally beginning to realize he needs to stay the hell out of the way on the offensive side of the ball and let the coordinators do their damn job?

    Without knowing the answer to that, I'm going to say I'm cautiously optimistic about this hire.

    Obviously we're all hoping for great things from him, and I wish him the best of luck. Welcome to Seattle Shane.
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  • This is a hard one to like or dislike. When I look at the way Goff Played this year and when they were in the SB he either worked Magic or totally destroyed him, Meaning he played great for one season and then he fell off during the SB.

    Goff IMO reads his routes worst then Russ The Pats totally blew up their OL IDK maybe he's a genius guess have to wait and see what he can do for Russ and the receivers.
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  • Rams moved the pocket a ton for Jared freakin Goff, finally somebody to perhaps use more of RW's strengths.

    and just because he was Passing Game Coordinator doesn't mean he wasn't intimately involved with the run game.

    So excited to not see 4 different run plays between the tackles and 7 step drops and go long. Some deception and creativity? crazy! about 8 years too late.
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  • Love the hire. Maybe some creativity finally. IF Pete allows his coordinator to coordinate.
    Let's roll. Sounds like a hell of a hire and surprisingly not too many people are freaking out. Didn't see that coming :mrgreen:
    Give the guy a chance before assuming the worst? Maybe?
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  • Cautiously optimistic. He consistently beat us and made Goff look good so that's a good start.
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  • sutz wrote:Now, after so many years of playing football can they train Russell to look short, medium, long sometimes instead of always looking long, medium, short?

    Asking for a friend. :twisted:


    Russ already looks short. :sarcasm_on:
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  • TraderGary wrote:Here's my take fwiw...

    Obviously since we play the Rams at least twice a year, Waldron is very familiar with how archaic and predictable our offensive schemes have been under Carroll. Knowing this, I have to believe during the interview, Waldron asked Carroll if he's going to allow him to completely revamp and run his own scheme with very little if any interference. If not, I can't imagine Waldron would be willing to come here knowing he's just going to be another fall guy while having to run Pete's tired, ineffective, and outdated schemes.

    I honestly don't know anything about Waldron, but I do like the fact that he's coming from the McVay coaching tree, who I think is one of the brightest young head coaches in the NFL.

    But on the flip side of the coin, the fact that this will be his first OC job, I have to wonder just how much autonomy he's going to be given by Pete. Is it realistic to think Pete would give a rookie OC full autonomy? Is he finally beginning to realize he needs to stay the hell out of the way on the offensive side of the ball and let the coordinators do their damn job?

    Without knowing the answer to that, I'm going to say I'm cautiously optimistic about this hire.

    Obviously we're all hoping for great things from him, and I wish him the best of luck. Welcome to Seattle Shane.


    Great post. Reflects my feelings closely.
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  • This dude was demoted this year, he was QB coach they brought in an OC who took OC and QB coach and gave this guy passing coordinator title.


    Can he be good I hope so, but I’m betting money on it considering it’s his first time calling Plays and it’s for Pete who will probably challenge his calls often
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  • Momofantv wrote:This dude was demoted this year, he was QB coach they brought in an OC who took OC and QB coach and gave this guy passing coordinator title.


    Can he be good I hope so, but I’m betting money on it considering it’s his first time calling Plays and it’s for Pete who will probably challenge his calls often

    Demoted? I'm pretty sure that coordinator is a senior title to coach.
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  • I like this, here is an article I found.


    https://www.bostonherald.com/2019/01/31 ... ean-mcvay/


    Waldron owns the distinction of being the only member of both the McVay and Belichick coaching trees. He got his start under Belichick, spending five years with the organization in two different stints. He’s now the passing game coordinator for the Rams, one of the league’s most explosive aerial attacks.

    “Shane’s been awesome,” Rams quarterback Jared Goff said. “He brings his own flavor. He’s a tremendous tight ends coach as well as a great coordinator, a guy to help us scheme up stuff. He’s such a good communicator. He’s able to convey what he’s trying to say in many different ways to many different people.”
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  • After we heard terrible retread names like Gase, Lombardi and Lynn floated out there, I'm happy with literally anyone else.

    I don't claim to know the first thing about Waldron, but the fact that he's a QB/Passing coach tells me Pete's at least listening to Russell and others about trying to become a little more dynamic with offensive schemes and playcalling.

    So we'll see.
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  • Just need Pete to stay out of the offense and let this man do his job.
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  • When I think of the things the Rams do creatively and the idea that we might see some of those things now, I am very positive on this hire. Specifically things like play action and moving the QB around in the pocket. Using that play action to effectively use your tight ends in the passing game, more motion etc. I know that we aren't necessarily getting a McVey clone but has to be someone who wants to use similar concepts.

    Optimistic too that it shows Pete might be willing to look at something new. When Scottenheimer was hired he was criticised cause he ran the a traditional run - first offence. Nothing innovative about it. A hire like Lynn would have been similar - more of the same. And words can't do justice to how discouraging it was to hear Adam Gase was in the mix. I like seeing someone new like this with fresh ideas get a chance.
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  • YaktownHawK wrote:I like this, here is an article I found.


    https://www.bostonherald.com/2019/01/31 ... ean-mcvay/


    Waldron owns the distinction of being the only member of both the McVay and Belichick coaching trees. He got his start under Belichick, spending five years with the organization in two different stints. He’s now the passing game coordinator for the Rams, one of the league’s most explosive aerial attacks.

    “Shane’s been awesome,” Rams quarterback Jared Goff said. “He brings his own flavor. He’s a tremendous tight ends coach as well as a great coordinator, a guy to help us scheme up stuff. He’s such a good communicator. He’s able to convey what he’s trying to say in many different ways to many different people.”


    Pretty significant departure from Bevell and Schotty, who were underwhelming hires right off the bat. This gives me hope
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  • Passing game Coordinator and previous TE coach among things he has done, he probably has worked with RB's and O line also, most guys that get to the OC title have put in the work with position coaching.

    So I would not run off the cliff with a guy who's latest title had passing in it.

    What we can hope is that he does get the TE's more involved and use them.

    Again we need to build a WALL between Pete and the OC, play to win from the first snap, not get to the 4th quarter to have a chance.
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  • When I think of best offenses in the league the Rams are not high on my 'must see' list. They didn't get where they got due to their offense, and their offensive success was not overly noticeable due to anything they did in their passing game. We DID get to where we got due mostly to our offense.
    I'm hoping for the best but worried we are, once again, going to come up short of the sticks.
    The big thing is the Rams are losing a TON of their staff from this year. It will be interesting who they get to replace Waldron.
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  • I hope he made it crystal clear to Pete that he is not in favor of wasting possessions “feeling the other team out” and instead wants to score points early and often.


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  • I am somewhat optimistic about our new OC. He meets some of my expectations, but the main one (PC being hands off) is a major question mark. Did he advocate with PC to allow him the control needed to really build an effective game plan each week, and needed in-game adjustments? Can he incorporate a balanced running game along with an explosive passing attack? Will he be truly creative in his play calling to keep the other team's defense off balance?

    It's just hard to say right now. I hope so, but then again we are talking about PC hanging over him and messing things up. So to me it's a wait and see.
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  • we will know pretty quick, first possession if they snap it with 5 or less, are predictable than PC has neutered him. If we don't and it looks different he has not. All that aside keep in mind just like this year things might go great for a few games than one hiccup, injury or a defense struggling and PC might take control again, and we are back to same old.
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  • I think this is good choice by the team and the reality of it seems more focused to me upon an ability to adjust and innovate the offensive scheme instead of being predictable.

    Time of course will tell but this coach has earned an shot at being an OC and could bring a very interesting and different approach than that we have seen since 2017 and before.
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  • John63 wrote:we will know pretty quick, first possession if they snap it with 5 or less, are predictable than PC has neutered him. If we don't and it looks different he has not. All that aside keep in mind just like this year things might go great for a few games than one hiccup, injury or a defense struggling and PC might take control again, and we are back to same old.


    If it were that simple, everyone would be a successful coach in the NFL. It isn't anywhere close to the black-and-white "he's neutered or not neutered" description posted here.
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  • John63 wrote:we will know pretty quick, first possession if they snap it with 5 or less, are predictable than PC has neutered him. If we don't and it looks different he has not. All that aside keep in mind just like this year things might go great for a few games than one hiccup, injury or a defense struggling and PC might take control again, and we are back to same old.


    Whoa, I'd wait for a larger sample size than that before drawing any conclusions
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  • Maelstrom787 wrote:Guys...

    This is a consensus good hire.

    Pete Carroll brought unity to Seahawks.net.



    lol :ditto: :2thumbs: :irishdrinkers:
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  • I'll be able to tell you on the first play ! If he comes out with a single back, running a RPO then he's a loser and a new night mare will begins.

    We have to run two back sets at least 60% of the time if were going to move the ball on the ground. PERIOD!!!
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  • Yep, if they don't win by 6 touchdowns, 5 straight games, this hire sucks.
    If Russ throws a pick or incomplete pass, this hire sucks.
    Then we can start the "Fire Waldron" threads after every game :mrgreen:
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  • Chawker wrote:I'll be able to tell you on the first play ! If he comes out with a single back, running a RPO then he's a loser and a new night mare will begins.

    We have to run two back sets at least 60% of the time if were going to move the ball on the ground. PERIOD!!!


    Using data up from 2018 (most recent available to me), that'd be the highest split in the NFL, 1% higher than the Niners, who have the best fullback in the league.

    Not sure forcing a two-back set really changes much. Seattle was one of the top DVOA rushing teams last year, they just didn't do it as much.
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  • SoulfishHawk wrote:Yep, if they don't win by 6 touchdowns, 5 straight games, this hire sucks.
    If Russ throws a pick or incomplete pass, this hire sucks.
    Then we can start the "Fire Waldron" threads after every game :mrgreen:


    Don't know about all that I'm sure if they have consistency everyone would like him but if it's the same $hit just different coach then yes probably. I think everyone is just tired of the same ol same ol crap we seem to see every year same excuses line is crap if we run the ball more we were there to possibly win the game with 2 minutes left so on and so on.
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  • Well if it's Pete ball I expect a Fullback to be drafted, acquired or someone converted.

    Mike Rob was our last Full Back that really contributed in a large way with Lynch.
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