For those of wanting him traded, seems the team does not agree

https://nfltraderumors.co/teams-inquired-about-trade-for-russell-wilson-seahawks-have-no-interest-in-moving-him/

John63 wrote:For those of wanting him traded, seems the team does not agree

https://nfltraderumors.co/teams-inquired-about-trade-for-russell-wilson-seahawks-have-no-interest-in-moving-him/

First off, if Pete were to trade Russell Wilson he'd be done here in Seattle. Secondly, Russell Wilson has a no trade clause in his contract. If a trade was worked out, Wilson would have to agree and sign off on it. Third, inquiries such as this probably happen all of the time.

Spin Doctor wrote:

John63 wrote:For those of wanting him traded, seems the team does not agree

https://nfltraderumors.co/teams-inquired-about-trade-for-russell-wilson-seahawks-have-no-interest-in-moving-him/

First off, if Pete were to trade Russell Wilson he'd be done here in Seattle. Secondly, Russell Wilson has a no trade clause in his contract. If a trade was worked out, Wilson would have to agree and sign off on it. Third, inquiries such as this probably happen all of the time.

Don't disagree, except while they may happen all the time first time I recall hearing about it with regards to Wilson.

John63 wrote:

Spin Doctor wrote:

John63 wrote:For those of wanting him traded, seems the team does not agree

https://nfltraderumors.co/teams-inquired-about-trade-for-russell-wilson-seahawks-have-no-interest-in-moving-him/

First off, if Pete were to trade Russell Wilson he'd be done here in Seattle. Secondly, Russell Wilson has a no trade clause in his contract. If a trade was worked out, Wilson would have to agree and sign off on it. Third, inquiries such as this probably happen all of the time.

Don't disagree, except while they may happen all the time first time I recall hearing about it with regards to Wilson.

I believe when contract talks got contentious teams inquired about Russell back in 2015 and again recently.

Spin Doctor wrote:

John63 wrote:

Spin Doctor wrote:

John63 wrote:For those of wanting him traded, seems the team does not agree

https://nfltraderumors.co/teams-inquired-about-trade-for-russell-wilson-seahawks-have-no-interest-in-moving-him/

First off, if Pete were to trade Russell Wilson he'd be done here in Seattle. Secondly, Russell Wilson has a no trade clause in his contract. If a trade was worked out, Wilson would have to agree and sign off on it. Third, inquiries such as this probably happen all of the time.

Don't disagree, except while they may happen all the time first time I recall hearing about it with regards to Wilson.

I believe when contract talks got contentious teams inquired about Russell back in 2015 and again recently.

Hmm u could be right. At least it would make sense.

Even if they had interest in trading him, they'd be stupid to express it.

I don’t see a lot of call here to trade him. I see more of a call for PC to modify the offense to RW strengths OR replace the $35 million man for someone much cheaper that will be a better fit for PeteBall.

I don’t want to trade RW though unlike a few here I don’t hold him blameless for the issues on offense. Yes, I understand I am either supposed to worship him or hate his guts and hope we never drafted him but neither apply.

JayhawkMike, I absolutely agree.

Trade Wilson when he’s 40 something years old. Get like 3 or 4 high rounders for him. I’ll be cool with that.

JayhawkMike wrote:I don’t see a lot of call here to trade him. I see more of a call for PC to modify the offense to RW strengths OR replace the $35 million man for someone much cheaper that will be a better fit for PeteBall.

I don’t want to trade RW though unlike a few here I don’t hold him blameless for the issues on offense. Yes, I understand I am either supposed to worship him or hate his guts and hope we never drafted him but neither apply.

Few here hold him blameless including me. However most here do not see him as the biggest problem. However for those that think we would be better off without him if u support him at all that means u hold him blameless.

No one is untradeable...

I would only trade him for a teams entire draft for the next 10 years.

The reason teams inquire is due to rumors of dissatisfaction leaking out and a team getting a chance maybe to get a deal done.

The DK thread and other internal leaks support this. The issue is we have nothing in the wings to replace him firstly, secondly evaluating a QB in this years draft is tenuous at best due to lack of scouting and teams playing against top competition.

Then the fact Pete isn't a spring Chicken and there is a time to get a new QB up to speed. Waldron I don't think would have been brought in if he didn't think he could use Wilson in his systems also, so negate that aspect.

Teams are also looking at our lack of picks and cap space hoping we are feeling needy.

The time to have traded Wilson was back in 2015 or 2016 after he got his first extension. I am pretty sure he didn't have a no trade clause on that extension. Now you pretty much have to keep him and build around his strengths. Personally I would have traded him back then only because PC doesn't use or need a QB with his skill set. He has stated more than once that he wants a point guard QB. That isn't Wilson.

kf3339 wrote:The time to have traded Wilson was back in 2015 or 2016 after he got his first extension. I am pretty sure he didn't have a no trade clause on that extension. Now you pretty much have to keep him and build around his strengths. Personally I would have traded him back then only because PC doesn't use or need a QB with his skill set. He has stated more than once that he wants a point guard QB. That isn't Wilson.

I don't disagree with you, PC does not want a QB that can carry a team. he wants Trent Dilfer. Problem is we don't win the SB or get back to another SB with Trent Differ or any point guard QB. Point Guard Qb don't lead 4th qtr comebacks making something out of nothing. So PC is taking out of both sides of his mouth. He does not want one that can carry the team when needed but that is exactly what he needs.

John63 wrote:

kf3339 wrote:The time to have traded Wilson was back in 2015 or 2016 after he got his first extension. I am pretty sure he didn't have a no trade clause on that extension. Now you pretty much have to keep him and build around his strengths. Personally I would have traded him back then only because PC doesn't use or need a QB with his skill set. He has stated more than once that he wants a point guard QB. That isn't Wilson.

I don't disagree with you, PC does not want a QB that can carry a team. he wants Trent Dilfer. Problem is we don't win the SB or get back to another SB with Trent Differ or any point guard QB. Point Guard Qb don't lead 4th qtr comebacks making something out of nothing. So PC is taking out of both sides of his mouth. He does not want one that can carry the team when needed but that is exactly what he needs.

Sorry, but Wilson didn't win that Super Bowl we won. Even the next year it was still about the defense and running game with Lynch. Wilson was only there to not lose the games. Distribute the ball and move the chains. His numbers those two years were pedestrian and completely in line with a point guard QB approach. It doesn't diminish his ability to become more than that type of QB, but he wasn't the difference maker in our two SB's with PC.

The issue was why PC didn't trade him if he wasn't going to adapt the offense to match his strengths. That is still the issue I have with PC and his choice in OC's. Perhaps this one will be different. We will see.

kf3339 wrote:

John63 wrote:

kf3339 wrote:The time to have traded Wilson was back in 2015 or 2016 after he got his first extension. I am pretty sure he didn't have a no trade clause on that extension. Now you pretty much have to keep him and build around his strengths. Personally I would have traded him back then only because PC doesn't use or need a QB with his skill set. He has stated more than once that he wants a point guard QB. That isn't Wilson.

I don't disagree with you, PC does not want a QB that can carry a team. he wants Trent Dilfer. Problem is we don't win the SB or get back to another SB with Trent Differ or any point guard QB. Point Guard Qb don't lead 4th qtr comebacks making something out of nothing. So PC is taking out of both sides of his mouth. He does not want one that can carry the team when needed but that is exactly what he needs.

Sorry, but Wilson didn't win that Super Bowl we won. Even the next year it was still about the defense and running game with Lynch. Wilson was only there to not lose the games. Distribute the ball and move the chains. His numbers those two years were pedestrian and completely in line with a point guard QB approach. It doesn't diminish his ability to become more than that type of QB, but he wasn't the difference maker in our two SB's with PC.

The issue was why PC didn't trade him if he wasn't going to adapt the offense to match his strengths. That is still the issue I have with PC and his choice in OC's. Perhaps this one will be different. We will see.

Wow your right we could have won with any QB....NOT. My point is Wilson was a much bigger part of winning that SB than people believe. Keep in mind he had multiple 4thq wins, doing things a point guard cannot do. If you believe he made no difference in those 2 SB trips and that any avg Qb could have you really did not pay attention at all.

Also, I did not say Wilson won the SB. I said we don't win the Sb with a PG QB.

But again if you think Wilson was basically along for the ride than you really don't get it at all.

I don't see these teams inquiring as any different from the Rams checking with the Packers first to see if Rodgers was available or John Lynch bringing up Brady's name in 2017 before they made the Jimmy G trade.

dang, more and more Russ trade talks.. wtf?

Everybody seems to think that Pete the stubborn old fool insist on pushing a round peg (aka Wilson), into a square hole aka Pete's system.

After so many years, I just don't believe that. What if Russ has his limitations, the run first was designed to protect Russ's limitations and highlight his strength?

Just a thought.

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toffee wrote:Everybody seems to think that Pete the stubborn old fool insist on pushing a round peg (aka Wilson), into a square hole aka Pete's system.

After so many years, I just don't believe that. What if Russ has his limitations, the run first was designed to protect Russ's limitations and highlight his strength?

Just a thought.

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I’ve also considered this.

But Carroll does like outside throws down the field and hit them with runs and runs to set up play action.

Carroll believes this is the best way limit turnovers.

To an extent he isn’t wrong, but it’s easily countered if the run isn’t effective, which was Seattle’s problem in the middle of the year and towards the end of the season. Carson could not run well.

John63 wrote:

kf3339 wrote:

John63 wrote:

kf3339 wrote:The time to have traded Wilson was back in 2015 or 2016 after he got his first extension. I am pretty sure he didn't have a no trade clause on that extension. Now you pretty much have to keep him and build around his strengths. Personally I would have traded him back then only because PC doesn't use or need a QB with his skill set. He has stated more than once that he wants a point guard QB. That isn't Wilson.

I don't disagree with you, PC does not want a QB that can carry a team. he wants Trent Dilfer. Problem is we don't win the SB or get back to another SB with Trent Differ or any point guard QB. Point Guard Qb don't lead 4th qtr comebacks making something out of nothing. So PC is taking out of both sides of his mouth. He does not want one that can carry the team when needed but that is exactly what he needs.

Sorry, but Wilson didn't win that Super Bowl we won. Even the next year it was still about the defense and running game with Lynch. Wilson was only there to not lose the games. Distribute the ball and move the chains. His numbers those two years were pedestrian and completely in line with a point guard QB approach. It doesn't diminish his ability to become more than that type of QB, but he wasn't the difference maker in our two SB's with PC.

The issue was why PC didn't trade him if he wasn't going to adapt the offense to match his strengths. That is still the issue I have with PC and his choice in OC's. Perhaps this one will be different. We will see.

Wow your right we could have won with any QB....NOT. My point is Wilson was a much bigger part of winning that SB than people believe. Keep in mind he had multiple 4thq wins, doing things a point guard cannot do. If you believe he made no difference in those 2 SB trips and that any avg Qb could have you really did not pay attention at all.

Also, I did not say Wilson won the SB. I said we don't win the Sb with a PG QB.

But again if you think Wilson was basically along for the ride than you really don't get it at all.

Look at his stats for those two games. They are what I'm referring to by my statement. He wasn't the reason they won the Super Bowl.

kf3339 wrote:

John63 wrote:

kf3339 wrote:

John63 wrote:

I don't disagree with you, PC does not want a QB that can carry a team. he wants Trent Dilfer. Problem is we don't win the SB or get back to another SB with Trent Differ or any point guard QB. Point Guard Qb don't lead 4th qtr comebacks making something out of nothing. So PC is taking out of both sides of his mouth. He does not want one that can carry the team when needed but that is exactly what he needs.

Sorry, but Wilson didn't win that Super Bowl we won. Even the next year it was still about the defense and running game with Lynch. Wilson was only there to not lose the games. Distribute the ball and move the chains. His numbers those two years were pedestrian and completely in line with a point guard QB approach. It doesn't diminish his ability to become more than that type of QB, but he wasn't the difference maker in our two SB's with PC.

The issue was why PC didn't trade him if he wasn't going to adapt the offense to match his strengths. That is still the issue I have with PC and his choice in OC's. Perhaps this one will be different. We will see.

Wow your right we could have won with any QB....NOT. My point is Wilson was a much bigger part of winning that SB than people believe. Keep in mind he had multiple 4thq wins, doing things a point guard cannot do. If you believe he made no difference in those 2 SB trips and that any avg Qb could have you really did not pay attention at all.

Also, I did not say Wilson won the SB. I said we don't win the Sb with a PG QB.

But again if you think Wilson was basically along for the ride than you really don't get it at all.

Look at his stats for those two games. They are what I'm referring to by my statement. He wasn't the reason they won the Super Bowl.

Okay First I said "I don't disagree with you, PC does not want a QB that can carry a team. he wants Trent Dilfer. Problem is we don't win the SB or get back to another SB with Trent Differ or any point guard QB. Point Guard Qb don't lead 4th qtr comebacks making something out of nothing. So PC is taking out of both sides of his mouth. He does not want one that can carry the team when needed but that is exactly what he needs."

You then Said "Sorry, but Wilson didn't win that Super Bowl we won. Even the next year it was still about the defense and running game with Lynch. Wilson was only there to not lose the games. Distribute the ball and move the chains. His numbers those two years were pedestrian and completely in line with a point guard QB approach. It doesn't diminish his ability to become more than that type of QB, but he wasn't the difference maker in our two SB's with PC."

Now the problem again is your wrong. How many games in the first season leading the SB and the 2nd did he have to bring us back to win? How many times did he have to make a spectacular play or run? IF you really think you could throw any old QB on that team and still get to and win the SB then I don't know what to tell you. All you got to do is look at the first game of the season, 320 yards passing, 76% complt. Sorry not any old QB can do that. He was the 2nd leading rusher on that team as well with over 500 yards. Not many QBs can do that. He had the most rushing yards by any QB that year. Sorry but it just stupid to think any QB qould have gotten us to the SB and win it. As to the SB itslef Lynch had 39 yards rushing, adn avg 2.6. Wilson kept moving the team adn kept the pressure on Denver. We won TOP despite our RBs avg 2.7 ypc allowign our defense to stay fresh. Like I said believe what you want, but the facts show Wilson was instrumental to our getting to and winning the SB and not just any QB could have done that.

John63 wrote:

kf3339 wrote:

John63 wrote:

kf3339 wrote:

Sorry, but Wilson didn't win that Super Bowl we won. Even the next year it was still about the defense and running game with Lynch. Wilson was only there to not lose the games. Distribute the ball and move the chains. His numbers those two years were pedestrian and completely in line with a point guard QB approach. It doesn't diminish his ability to become more than that type of QB, but he wasn't the difference maker in our two SB's with PC.

The issue was why PC didn't trade him if he wasn't going to adapt the offense to match his strengths. That is still the issue I have with PC and his choice in OC's. Perhaps this one will be different. We will see.

Wow your right we could have won with any QB....NOT. My point is Wilson was a much bigger part of winning that SB than people believe. Keep in mind he had multiple 4thq wins, doing things a point guard cannot do. If you believe he made no difference in those 2 SB trips and that any avg Qb could have you really did not pay attention at all.

Also, I did not say Wilson won the SB. I said we don't win the Sb with a PG QB.

But again if you think Wilson was basically along for the ride than you really don't get it at all.

Look at his stats for those two games. They are what I'm referring to by my statement. He wasn't the reason they won the Super Bowl.

Okay First I said "I don't disagree with you, PC does not want a QB that can carry a team. he wants Trent Dilfer. Problem is we don't win the SB or get back to another SB with Trent Differ or any point guard QB. Point Guard Qb don't lead 4th qtr comebacks making something out of nothing. So PC is taking out of both sides of his mouth. He does not want one that can carry the team when needed but that is exactly what he needs."

You then Said "Sorry, but Wilson didn't win that Super Bowl we won. Even the next year it was still about the defense and running game with Lynch. Wilson was only there to not lose the games. Distribute the ball and move the chains. His numbers those two years were pedestrian and completely in line with a point guard QB approach. It doesn't diminish his ability to become more than that type of QB, but he wasn't the difference maker in our two SB's with PC."

Now the problem again is your wrong. How many games in the first season leading the SB and the 2nd did he have to bring us back to win? How many times did he have to make a spectacular play or run? IF you really think you could throw any old QB on that team and still get to and win the SB then I don't know what to tell you. All you got to do is look at the first game of the season, 320 yards passing, 76% complt. Sorry not any old QB can do that. He was the 2nd leading rusher on that team as well with over 500 yards. Not many QBs can do that. He had the most rushing yards by any QB that year. Sorry but it just stupid to think any QB qould have gotten us to the SB and win it. As to the SB itslef Lynch had 39 yards rushing, adn avg 2.6. Wilson kept moving the team adn kept the pressure on Denver. We won TOP despite our RBs avg 2.7 ypc allowign our defense to stay fresh. Like I said believe what you want, but the facts show Wilson was instrumental to our getting to and winning the SB and not just any QB could have done that.

2 time SB champ Eli Dilfer disagrees with your view.

trans wrote:

John63 wrote:

kf3339 wrote:

John63 wrote:

Wow your right we could have won with any QB....NOT. My point is Wilson was a much bigger part of winning that SB than people believe. Keep in mind he had multiple 4thq wins, doing things a point guard cannot do. If you believe he made no difference in those 2 SB trips and that any avg Qb could have you really did not pay attention at all.

Also, I did not say Wilson won the SB. I said we don't win the Sb with a PG QB.

But again if you think Wilson was basically along for the ride than you really don't get it at all.

Look at his stats for those two games. They are what I'm referring to by my statement. He wasn't the reason they won the Super Bowl.

Okay First I said "I don't disagree with you, PC does not want a QB that can carry a team. he wants Trent Dilfer. Problem is we don't win the SB or get back to another SB with Trent Differ or any point guard QB. Point Guard Qb don't lead 4th qtr comebacks making something out of nothing. So PC is taking out of both sides of his mouth. He does not want one that can carry the team when needed but that is exactly what he needs."

You then Said "Sorry, but Wilson didn't win that Super Bowl we won. Even the next year it was still about the defense and running game with Lynch. Wilson was only there to not lose the games. Distribute the ball and move the chains. His numbers those two years were pedestrian and completely in line with a point guard QB approach. It doesn't diminish his ability to become more than that type of QB, but he wasn't the difference maker in our two SB's with PC."

Now the problem again is your wrong. How many games in the first season leading the SB and the 2nd did he have to bring us back to win? How many times did he have to make a spectacular play or run? IF you really think you could throw any old QB on that team and still get to and win the SB then I don't know what to tell you. All you got to do is look at the first game of the season, 320 yards passing, 76% complt. Sorry not any old QB can do that. He was the 2nd leading rusher on that team as well with over 500 yards. Not many QBs can do that. He had the most rushing yards by any QB that year. Sorry but it just stupid to think any QB qould have gotten us to the SB and win it. As to the SB itslef Lynch had 39 yards rushing, adn avg 2.6. Wilson kept moving the team adn kept the pressure on Denver. We won TOP despite our RBs avg 2.7 ypc allowign our defense to stay fresh. Like I said believe what you want, but the facts show Wilson was instrumental to our getting to and winning the SB and not just any QB could have done that.

2 time SB champ Eli Dilfer disagrees with your view.

who is Eli Dilfer? And what dostbthatbhave to do with the Hawks? Answer nothing