At some point, Seattle FO will get tired of Wilson.

Is Wilson, only a player?

Or is Wilson, a player who thinks he’s also an executive (due to his leverage as franchise QB)?

At some point, Carroll, is also going to get frustrated as well.

Carroll at some point will probably think, “Who do you think you are?”

I personally enjoy this soap opera that is Wilson’s camp vs Seattle’s FO.

Let’s see how this plays out. Lol.

Then the FO better wake up.

ALL franchise QBs have a right to a seat at the executive table now.

The days of doing what you are told when the coach tells you are over the moment one guy is not only responsible for 25% of your cap but also the literal face of your franchise.

He is now your brand and your success/failure is going to depend on enabling his success.

And it's not so much that they haven't drafted and/or added O Lineman. It's that so many of them have been absolutely brutal choices.

There are a lot of disgruntled QB's right now, Rodgers, Prescott, Watson, Wilson, Wentz.

Kind of of unusual for there to be this many.

SoulfishHawk wrote:And it's not so much that they haven't drafted and/or added O Lineman. It's that so many of them have been absolutely brutal choices.

That’s because Carroll likes the “this guy can play tackle, center or guard!”

You know what that means? That means he can’t play any single one position well!

Typical Carroll offensive lineman!

Just plug and play guys and he hope they can play just “well enough.”

Very good point. If you're going to find a Center, get a damn Center. Or a Tackle, not a Guard you hope will work out etc.
Jake Heaps is currently talking about some of the guys they have paid vs. guys they passed on in the draft or free agency. He also listed the O Line rankings in the years Russ has been here. Ouch...…..
For years, people have said he should speak up and not be so "robotic" etc.
Now he speaks up, which he should do, and people seem pissed off at him.

SoulfishHawk wrote:Very good point. If you're going to find a Center, get a damn Center. Or a Tackle, not a Guard you hope will work out etc.
Jake Heaps is currently talking about some of the guys they have paid vs. guys they passed on in the draft or free agency. He also listed the O Line rankings in the years Russ has been here. Ouch...…..
For years, people have said he should speak up and not be so "robotic" etc.
Now he speaks up, which he should do, and people seem pissed off at him.

Damed if he does and damned if he doesn't. Seem to recall Hass speaking up and non-one said a word hmmm.

When RW failed to thank Carroll in his Man of the Year speach, I knew the end was near

Holy crap.

Did that really happen??

Shanegotyou11 wrote:"I’m hearing Russell Wilson’s camp has grown increasingly frustrated by the Seahawks inability to protect the 8 time Pro Bowler. He has been sacked 394 times in 9 seasons. This situation warrants serious monitoring."

Jason La Canfora

Russ is washed. At least half of those sacks are on him. Really hope he's traded. This team will never sniff another SB with his salary on the books.

TwistedHusky wrote:Then the FO better wake up.

ALL franchise QBs have a right to a seat at the executive table now.

The days of doing what you are told when the coach tells you are over the moment one guy is not only responsible for 25% of your cap but also the literal face of your franchise.

He is now your brand and your success/failure is going to depend on enabling his success.

As they should be. Not winning only affects the legacy of QB's. No one cares if a great WR or RB was on teams that never won. If my legacy was on the line, then I'd damn sure want a say in things like who our coordinators are and what type of gameplanning we're doing.

https://www.thenewstribune.com/sports/nfl/seattle-seahawks/article249124930.html

Straight from his mouth. No more rumors or speculation.
He's tired of the rain. Tired of the Space Needle. Tired of it all and wants to take his talents elsewhere.

The time has come. Prepare the Geno!

A_Biased_Fan wrote:

TwistedHusky wrote:Then the FO better wake up.

ALL franchise QBs have a right to a seat at the executive table now.

The days of doing what you are told when the coach tells you are over the moment one guy is not only responsible for 25% of your cap but also the literal face of your franchise.

He is now your brand and your success/failure is going to depend on enabling his success.

As they should be. Not winning only affects the legacy of QB's. No one cares if a great WR or RB was on teams that never won. If my legacy was on the line, then I'd damn sure want a say in things like who our coordinators are and what type of gameplanning we're doing.

Who cares who they are. It's Russ who always $h!t the bed down the stretch and into the playoffs. Every year the same thing. But yet we blame everyone else. Hilarious

There's a reasonable middle ground here.

It's alright to acknowledge that the OL has been a huge problem for almost the full 9 season Russ has played in the league. It's also plain to see that the OL was not especially bad last season, and in fact may have been slightly ABOVE average with its starting lineup in pass protection. It's fine to acknowledge that Russ is a great quarterback but holds the damn ball for too long.

With that being said, Russ was probably on his last nerve going into this season and is no longer willing to settle for an average line with a shoddy scheme. I was pleased with the offensive line play last season... as a fan, who is more willing to acknowledge improvement when I'm not the one who has been teed off on for the previous 8 years.

It's time to keep him happy and seriously invest in his protection. Russell is the franchise, and has always been a selfless leader. He knows that he's getting up there, and to be the greatest, he needs more help. Help that all the greats that he wants to be named among have received from their organizations.

Go all-in on the line. Move cap around. Pull all the strings you can. Russ has more than earned it, and honestly, we should be glad he isn't as pissed about this as a Brady or Rodgers would be. Period.

Overpay for Linsley or Thuney to solidify the interior. Keep Brown and Shell happy while looking for long-term replacements. If you strike out on Linsley, either go to bat with Pocic as the weakest link (not that weak as far as weak links go) or address the spot in the draft. I'd say make a home-run package for Orlando Brown Jr., but he's not an immediate upgrade at left tackle, and he will NOT play right tackle... which is why he wants a trade. Russ wants results now.

This is, in my opinion, NOT the optimal way to bolster the roster - but Russell is the crown jewel of this organization. If he's unhappy, you get him what he wants. He has not been unreasonable, and believe me, any other quarterback of his caliber would've been VERY unreasonable by now.

I love Pete, I love John, and I love Russ. This time, Pete needs to cave to his star, or the party is over.

Jerhawk wrote:https://www.thenewstribune.com/sports/nfl/seattle-seahawks/article249124930.html

Straight from his mouth. No more rumors or speculation.
He's tired of the rain. Tired of the Space Needle. Tired of it all and wants to take his talents elsewhere.

The time has come. Prepare the Geno!

I think a lot of people aren't even reading these reports and just basing their opinions on headlines. Things Russell said, he's tired of being hit, the line needs to be play better, he needs to be play better, he desperately wants to play in the big game again, and he thinks Waldron has the it factor and is going to be a great coordinator.

That doesn't sound like a guy who wants out like Watson does. That sounds like a guy who wants the team to go all out, personnel wise and scheme wise, to get back to the SB. And he put himself in that equation, saying he himself needs to be better as well.

Best way the FO can support Russ this off season is to:

1) Hire a new offensive coordinator who will implement a balanced attack – Check.
2) Continue to upgrade the O-line – guard and center – Pending.
3) Draft a stud RB who will make defenses respect the run game. Pending.
4) Find a reliable third down target, whether that’s a WR, RB or TE. Pending.

On Russ side, here’s where he can improve this off season:

1) Hit receivers in stride on crossers like Mahomes can do with regularity
2) Learn to attack the entire field and let players around him make plays
3) Drop few pounds / get faster / quicker
4) Get better at pre-snap reads / be ready audible when needed

this is a russ vs pete situation

and if this team has a brain they will ride w/ Russ all the way

A_Biased_Fan wrote:

Jerhawk wrote:https://www.thenewstribune.com/sports/nfl/seattle-seahawks/article249124930.html

Straight from his mouth. No more rumors or speculation.
He's tired of the rain. Tired of the Space Needle. Tired of it all and wants to take his talents elsewhere.

The time has come. Prepare the Geno!

I think a lot of people aren't even reading these reports and just basing their opinions on headlines. Things Russell said, he's tired of being hit, the line needs to be play better, he needs to be play better, he desperately wants to play in the big game again, and he thinks Waldron has the it factor and is going to be a great coordinator.

That doesn't sound like a guy who wants out like Watson does. That sounds like a guy who wants the team to go all out, personnel wise and scheme wise, to get back to the SB. And he put himself in that equation, saying he himself needs to be better as well.

I did read the article. He's frustrated with getting hit.
You don't hear QBs talk like that TO THE MEDIA.

Thats the biggest thing here, he's airing his grievances to the media, not keeping it in house. And in the article provided, he doesn't take responsibility. He's just stirring up all this junk for no reason.

If he would've kept it in the locker room that's one thing. Now he's throwing his coaches and personel under the bus for everyone to see. Not acceptable for being the face of the franchise and the QB!

And especially since a lot of these hits and sacks he takes are on him if he could properly read the defense and release the ball to take the 5 yards and move on

Jerhawk wrote:

A_Biased_Fan wrote:

Jerhawk wrote:https://www.thenewstribune.com/sports/nfl/seattle-seahawks/article249124930.html

Straight from his mouth. No more rumors or speculation.
He's tired of the rain. Tired of the Space Needle. Tired of it all and wants to take his talents elsewhere.

The time has come. Prepare the Geno!

I think a lot of people aren't even reading these reports and just basing their opinions on headlines. Things Russell said, he's tired of being hit, the line needs to be play better, he needs to be play better, he desperately wants to play in the big game again, and he thinks Waldron has the it factor and is going to be a great coordinator.

That doesn't sound like a guy who wants out like Watson does. That sounds like a guy who wants the team to go all out, personnel wise and scheme wise, to get back to the SB. And he put himself in that equation, saying he himself needs to be better as well.

I did read the article. He's frustrated with getting hit.
You don't hear QBs talk like that TO THE MEDIA.

Thats the biggest thing here, he's airing his grievances to the media, not keeping it in house. And in the article provided, he doesn't take responsibility. He's just stirring up all this junk for no reason.

If he would've kept it in the locker room that's one thing. Now he's throwing his coaches and personel under the bus for everyone to see. Not acceptable for being the face of the franchise and the QB!

And especially since a lot of these hits and sacks he takes are on him if he could properly read the defense and release the ball to take the 5 yards and move on

While there are facets of this I do agree with, we often times do see great quarterbacks airing their grievances to the media. Rodgers and Brady have both done it before, and for less significant things that 8 years of bad OL play, even if I do agree that they were not the main culprit of the inflated sack total this year.

Russ probably has a bit of a short fuse on the issue at this point, and he's personally motivated to be the best. He wants that all-in supporting cast... and, frankly, I get it.

I understand how this could rub fans the wrong way, especially with it being out of character for the generally-selfless Wilson... but the end of the day, if he succeeds in using his leverage to the best of his ability, the team is probably going to be better for it.

I mean, the worst that probably comes of this is the team overpaying for a good offensive lineman in free agency.

He also is unhappy with corona, traffic, and wants world peace. This doesn’t seem like anything more than saying water is wet.

hoxrox wrote:Best way the FO can support Russ this off season is to:

1) Hire a new offensive coordinator who will implement a balanced attack – Check.
2) Continue to upgrade the O-line – guard and center – Pending.
3) Draft a stud RB who will make defenses respect the run game. Pending.
4) Find a reliable third down target, whether that’s a WR, RB or TE. Pending.

On Russ side, here’s where he can improve this off season:

1) Hit receivers in stride on crossers like Mahomes can do with regularity
2) Learn to attack the entire field and let players around him make plays
3) Drop few pounds / get faster / quicker
4) Get better at pre-snap reads / be ready audible when needed

What is this balanced post? Don't you know that Russ needs to be shipped out for a third and replaced with Geno?

Incidentally, I periodically peruse reddit and other broader NFL boards and of course the fans that hate Russ the most are overwhelmingly Seahawks fans. Unique phenomenon compared to every other team.

Brady is giving tampa at least 10M/yr discount and there are talks of restructuring so they can keep key players for a repeat. It's either SB rings or money and no rings.

When you're already making 25M/yr, a few million extra a yr ain't gonna change your lifestyle much.

Before Wilson starts complaining, I urge Wilson to go back and re-watch every game from this season, and count how many times players were wide open in the flat before you got sacked or threw it away. Start there Wilson

5thgen wrote:Brady is giving tampa at least 10M/yr discount and there are talks of restructuring so they can keep key players for a repeat. It's either SB rings or money and no rings.

When you're already making 25M/yr, a few million extra a yr ain't gonna change your lifestyle much.

Where are these numbers coming from?

I mean if we're making up numbers then hell, Russ should take a 900 billion dollar paycut so that we can sign Lebron, Godzilla, and Barney the dinosaur to play o-line and have Russ throw the ball 5 seconds before its snapped to a receiver that's simultaneously 50 yards downfield wide open in the endzone and also onside.

https://overthecap.com/position/quarterback/2020/

hawks85 wrote:Before Wilson starts complaining, I urge Wilson to go back and re-watch every game from this season, and count how many times players were wide open in the flat before you got sacked or threw it away. Start there Wilson

Why don't you start there? Go through the film of every QB this year and provide a detailed breakdown comparing the amount of times each QB missed a receiver that was "open". With screenshots.

Don't spin your wheels on it but have it on my desk by 6 pm. Get to work.

Maelstrom787 wrote:

Jerhawk wrote:

A_Biased_Fan wrote:

Jerhawk wrote:https://www.thenewstribune.com/sports/nfl/seattle-seahawks/article249124930.html

Straight from his mouth. No more rumors or speculation.
He's tired of the rain. Tired of the Space Needle. Tired of it all and wants to take his talents elsewhere.

The time has come. Prepare the Geno!

I think a lot of people aren't even reading these reports and just basing their opinions on headlines. Things Russell said, he's tired of being hit, the line needs to be play better, he needs to be play better, he desperately wants to play in the big game again, and he thinks Waldron has the it factor and is going to be a great coordinator.

That doesn't sound like a guy who wants out like Watson does. That sounds like a guy who wants the team to go all out, personnel wise and scheme wise, to get back to the SB. And he put himself in that equation, saying he himself needs to be better as well.

I did read the article. He's frustrated with getting hit.
You don't hear QBs talk like that TO THE MEDIA.

Thats the biggest thing here, he's airing his grievances to the media, not keeping it in house. And in the article provided, he doesn't take responsibility. He's just stirring up all this junk for no reason.

If he would've kept it in the locker room that's one thing. Now he's throwing his coaches and personel under the bus for everyone to see. Not acceptable for being the face of the franchise and the QB!

And especially since a lot of these hits and sacks he takes are on him if he could properly read the defense and release the ball to take the 5 yards and move on

While there are facets of this I do agree with, we often times do see great quarterbacks airing their grievances to the media. Rodgers and Brady have both done it before, and for less significant things that 8 years of bad OL play, even if I do agree that they were not the main culprit of the inflated sack total this year.

Russ probably has a bit of a short fuse on the issue at this point, and he's personally motivated to be the best. He wants that all-in supporting cast... and, frankly, I get it.

I understand how this could rub fans the wrong way, especially with it being out of character for the generally-selfless Wilson... but the end of the day, if he succeeds in using his leverage to the best of his ability, the team is probably going to be better for it.

I mean, the worst that probably comes of this is the team overpaying for a good offensive lineman in free agency.

Pretty sure the people on this board have never seen another team play. If they saw Russ mouthing off like Brady did to Matheiu in the SB they would probably faint and then throw a tantrum about perfume lines and missing receivers.

ducks41468 wrote:

5thgen wrote:Brady is giving tampa at least 10M/yr discount and there are talks of restructuring so they can keep key players for a repeat. It's either SB rings or money and no rings.

When you're already making 25M/yr, a few million extra a yr ain't gonna change your lifestyle much.

Where are these numbers coming from?

I mean if we're making up numbers then hell, Russ should take a 900 billion dollar paycut so that we can sign Lebron, Godzilla, and Barney the dinosaur to play o-line and have Russ throw the ball 5 seconds before its snapped to a receiver that's simultaneously 50 yards downfield wide open in the endzone and also onside.

https://overthecap.com/position/quarterback/2020/

Shows $31 mil in the link provided.

He can't be the highest paid player on the team, then turn around and cry about not having protection. If he truly is about winning, then restructure the contract to give the team some cap relief and get the help.

I rarely criticize Wilson but this is what he should have been thinking about when asking for that contract. The highest paid QB from the time signing rarely wins the SB the next following years. He needs to restructure his contract or leave. Simple as that.

Here's a list of the top 10 highest paid QB's this past season
1. Chiefs QB Patrick Mahomes: $45 million
2. Texans QB Deshaun Watson: $39 million
3. Seahawks QB Russell Wilson: $35 million
4. Steelers QB Ben Roethlisberger: $34 million
5.Packers QB Aaron Rodgers: $33.5 million
5. Rams QB Jared Goff: $33.5 million
7. Vikings QB Kirk Cousins: $33 million
8. Eagles QB Carson Wentz: $32 million
9. Cowboys QB Dak Prescott: $$30.1 million
10. Falcons QB Matt Ryan: $30 million

Only 1 of those quarterbacks has a title in the past 6 years (Mahomes). I understand people like money as do I but it makes Russ look like a fool when he comes out and says hes not happy with his Oline. I hope MLB never adds a salary cap!

Jerhawk wrote:

ducks41468 wrote:

5thgen wrote:Brady is giving tampa at least 10M/yr discount and there are talks of restructuring so they can keep key players for a repeat. It's either SB rings or money and no rings.

When you're already making 25M/yr, a few million extra a yr ain't gonna change your lifestyle much.

Where are these numbers coming from?

I mean if we're making up numbers then hell, Russ should take a 900 billion dollar paycut so that we can sign Lebron, Godzilla, and Barney the dinosaur to play o-line and have Russ throw the ball 5 seconds before its snapped to a receiver that's simultaneously 50 yards downfield wide open in the endzone and also onside.

https://overthecap.com/position/quarterback/2020/

Shows $31 mil in the link provided.

He can't be the highest paid player on the team, then turn around and cry about not having protection. If he truly is about winning, then restructure the contract to give the team some cap relief and get the help.

What does this response have to do with my post? Read it again.

ducks41468 wrote:

Jerhawk wrote:

ducks41468 wrote:

5thgen wrote:Brady is giving tampa at least 10M/yr discount and there are talks of restructuring so they can keep key players for a repeat. It's either SB rings or money and no rings.

When you're already making 25M/yr, a few million extra a yr ain't gonna change your lifestyle much.

Where are these numbers coming from?

I mean if we're making up numbers then hell, Russ should take a 900 billion dollar paycut so that we can sign Lebron, Godzilla, and Barney the dinosaur to play o-line and have Russ throw the ball 5 seconds before its snapped to a receiver that's simultaneously 50 yards downfield wide open in the endzone and also onside.

https://overthecap.com/position/quarterback/2020/

Shows $31 mil in the link provided.

He can't be the highest paid player on the team, then turn around and cry about not having protection. If he truly is about winning, then restructure the contract to give the team some cap relief and get the help.

What does this response have to do with my post? Read it again.

I honestly cant figure out what you're saying man.
Barney? Godzilla?

You responded to the poster who said Wilson is making $25 million. You provided a link that shows Wilson is actually making $31 million, so I really don't know what you're getting other than overly obnoxious and condescending responses throughout the board.

And Russ's salary does not prevent the Seahawks from having a functional o-line. The Seahawks being complete and utter ass at drafting linemen is the reason for that. I didn't realize Russ consumed all of our draft picks with his salary or accounts for the other 83 or so percent of the cap that could, you know, be used on o-line as well.

But I guess I see the point, 100m+ in cap that isn't being spent on the QB is clearly not nearly enough to get even a single quality lineman, since we know that they cost exactly 103m each. That's Brady has such a great team, because he took a paycut that accounts for an additional 3% of the cap, which makes aaalllllllll the difference.

Jerhawk wrote:

ducks41468 wrote:

Jerhawk wrote:

ducks41468 wrote:
Where are these numbers coming from?

I mean if we're making up numbers then hell, Russ should take a 900 billion dollar paycut so that we can sign Lebron, Godzilla, and Barney the dinosaur to play o-line and have Russ throw the ball 5 seconds before its snapped to a receiver that's simultaneously 50 yards downfield wide open in the endzone and also onside.

https://overthecap.com/position/quarterback/2020/

Shows $31 mil in the link provided.

He can't be the highest paid player on the team, then turn around and cry about not having protection. If he truly is about winning, then restructure the contract to give the team some cap relief and get the help.

What does this response have to do with my post? Read it again.

I honestly cant figure out what you're saying man.
Barney? Godzilla?

You responded to the poster who said Wilson is making $25 million. You provided a link that shows Wilson is actually making $31 million, so I really don't know what you're getting other than overly obnoxious and condescending responses throughout the board.

Russ makes 31m. Brady makes 25. That's a 6m discount. Math is real hard.

And yeah I chose violence today because this fanbase is dense as a brick.

ducks41468 wrote:

hoxrox wrote:Best way the FO can support Russ this off season is to:

1) Hire a new offensive coordinator who will implement a balanced attack – Check.
2) Continue to upgrade the O-line – guard and center – Pending.
3) Draft a stud RB who will make defenses respect the run game. Pending.
4) Find a reliable third down target, whether that’s a WR, RB or TE. Pending.

On Russ side, here’s where he can improve this off season:

1) Hit receivers in stride on crossers like Mahomes can do with regularity
2) Learn to attack the entire field and let players around him make plays
3) Drop few pounds / get faster / quicker
4) Get better at pre-snap reads / be ready audible when needed

What is this balanced post? Don't you know that Russ needs to be shipped out for a third and replaced with Geno?

Incidentally, I periodically peruse reddit and other broader NFL boards and of course the fans that hate Russ the most are overwhelmingly Seahawks fans. Unique phenomenon compared to every other team.

Count me in as a Seahawks fan who is happy we have Russell Wilson and thinks we have one of the top 5 best QBs in the league... and is still able to be upset with him.

I have been vocal in other threads that the number one fault of our team lies with Pete, but the idea that Russell should be calling out his O-Line after half a season of just terrible adjustments on his part is ridiculous. This was the best O-Line he's had and really, they have been forced--BY RUSSELL--to put in blocking work that OLs should not be expected to do. How many times this year do you think those guys had been tracking the time of a play in their mind and trying to figure out why they are blocking 5 seconds later on a play designed to be done in 2?

If I'm those guys, I'm seeing this interview from Russ and I might be a bit pissed off right now.


I love RW's ability to turn nothing into something but I also hate that he spent so much of this year throwing away something trying to get everything because he was desperate to keep his name in the MVP conversation.

Russ's bad habits aren't entirely on him, I recognize that. Pete's failure to develop an offensive identity that doesn't rely on either A) His RB to break 5 tackles every time he touches the ball or B) When that fails hoping Russ will bail us out with some magic is a major contributor to that. It is to Wilson's credit that he has made B work so many times but it seems to have developed bad tendencies in situations where we just need 6 yards on a slant not 'magic'.


We've got one of the best QBs in the league. I'm happy he's here. I don't want him to go anywhere. But he should not be considered immune from criticism. Some of it, is probably unfair and is more just personality (yeah, his interviews ARE terrible most of the time but he's not the first QB to go a bit Hollywood, either... I think Seattle fans aren't too used to that given our last good QB was Matt Hasselbeck who's name only would be recognized by fans in the cities where he played) but he has also left lots of yards on the field, especially the second half of this year, with his decision making issues and to call out his line afterwards is going to rub people the wrong way.

ducks41468 wrote:

Jerhawk wrote:

ducks41468 wrote:

Jerhawk wrote:
Shows $31 mil in the link provided.

He can't be the highest paid player on the team, then turn around and cry about not having protection. If he truly is about winning, then restructure the contract to give the team some cap relief and get the help.

What does this response have to do with my post? Read it again.

I honestly cant figure out what you're saying man.
Barney? Godzilla?

You responded to the poster who said Wilson is making $25 million. You provided a link that shows Wilson is actually making $31 million, so I really don't know what you're getting other than overly obnoxious and condescending responses throughout the board.

Russ makes 31m. Brady makes 25. That's a 6m discount. Math is real hard.

And yeah I chose violence today because this fanbase is dense as a brick.

Well you hurt my feelings so you accomplished that today. Not hard to do since I'm softer than the Hawks O line.

But $6 mil right there could afford the team a good left guard.
And I don't hate Russell, I'm usually defending the guy like no other on here. I don't agree with people attacking his off field stuff.
All I'm getting at is if he's truly about the team winning, he has an odd way of going about it from a business standpoint.
And him saying this stuff to the media is out of character and does nothing to help the team. That's all.

DarkVictory23 wrote:

ducks41468 wrote:

hoxrox wrote:Best way the FO can support Russ this off season is to:

1) Hire a new offensive coordinator who will implement a balanced attack – Check.
2) Continue to upgrade the O-line – guard and center – Pending.
3) Draft a stud RB who will make defenses respect the run game. Pending.
4) Find a reliable third down target, whether that’s a WR, RB or TE. Pending.

On Russ side, here’s where he can improve this off season:

1) Hit receivers in stride on crossers like Mahomes can do with regularity
2) Learn to attack the entire field and let players around him make plays
3) Drop few pounds / get faster / quicker
4) Get better at pre-snap reads / be ready audible when needed

What is this balanced post? Don't you know that Russ needs to be shipped out for a third and replaced with Geno?

Incidentally, I periodically peruse reddit and other broader NFL boards and of course the fans that hate Russ the most are overwhelmingly Seahawks fans. Unique phenomenon compared to every other team.

Count me in as a Seahawks fan who is happy we have Russell Wilson and thinks we have one of the top 5 best QBs in the league... and is still able to be upset with him.

I have been vocal in other threads that the number one fault of our team lies with Pete, but the idea that Russell should be calling out his O-Line after half a season of just terrible adjustments on his part is ridiculous. This was the best O-Line he's had and really, they have been forced--BY RUSSELL--to put in blocking work that OLs should not be expected to do. How many times this year do you think those guys had been tracking the time of a play in their mind and trying to figure out why they are blocking 5 seconds later on a play designed to be done in 2?

If I'm those guys, I'm seeing this interview from Russ and I might be a bit pissed off right now.


I love RW's ability to turn nothing into something but I also hate that he spent so much of this year throwing away something trying to get everything because he was desperate to keep his name in the MVP conversation.

Russ's bad habits aren't entirely on him, I recognize that. Pete's failure to develop an offensive identity that doesn't rely on either A) His RB to break 5 tackles every time he touches the ball or B) When that fails hoping Russ will bail us out with some magic is a major contributor to that. It is to Wilson's credit that he has made B work so many times but it seems to have developed bad tendencies in situations where we just need 6 yards on a slant not 'magic'.


We've got one of the best QBs in the league. I'm happy he's here. I don't want him to go anywhere. But he should not be considered immune from criticism. Some of it, is probably unfair and is more just personality (yeah, his interviews ARE terrible most of the time but he's not the first QB to go a bit Hollywood, either... I think Seattle fans aren't too used to that given our last good QB was Matt Hasselbeck who's name only would be recognized by fans in the cities where he played) but he has also left lots of yards on the field, especially the second half of this year, with his decision making issues and to call out his line afterwards is going to rub people the wrong way.

Of course he's not immune to it, but he's getting overwhelmingly blasted for finally making some sort of comment about it after 8 years when other QB's, including all great QB's, whine and complain all the time and their fans adore them for their tenacity and fire.

I do follow other teams and the response is completely hypocritical. I mean Stafford, a guy who couldn't win a big game, was roundly supported for finally being traded to a winning team by his fans. And here we get...this. You'd think he was Goff or Wentz

TheLegendOfBoom wrote:At some point, Seattle FO will get tired of Wilson.

Is Wilson, only a player?

Or is Wilson, a player who thinks he’s also an executive (due to his leverage as franchise QB)?

At some point, Carroll, is also going to get frustrated as well.

Carroll at some point will probably think, “Who do you think you are?”

I personally enjoy this soap opera that is Wilson’s camp vs Seattle’s FO.

Let’s see how this plays out. Lol.

Who does Russell Wilson think he is?

The man who is LITERALLY the reason Pete Carroll still has his job. The man who carried this team to winning seasons despite adversity for 8 years. The man who helped DK metcalf blossom into superstar status, spent almost the whole off season at his house, to help DK get better and develop chemistry.
The man who's jersey is one the most popular jersey while being on an unpopular team. People pay to see RUSSELL WILSON not pete carroll. Pete Carroll needs to get it together or get out of the way.

ducks41468 wrote:

Jerhawk wrote:

ducks41468 wrote:

Jerhawk wrote:
Shows $31 mil in the link provided.

He can't be the highest paid player on the team, then turn around and cry about not having protection. If he truly is about winning, then restructure the contract to give the team some cap relief and get the help.

What does this response have to do with my post? Read it again.

I honestly cant figure out what you're saying man.
Barney? Godzilla?

You responded to the poster who said Wilson is making $25 million. You provided a link that shows Wilson is actually making $31 million, so I really don't know what you're getting other than overly obnoxious and condescending responses throughout the board.

Russ makes 31m. Brady makes 25. That's a 6m discount. Math is real hard.

And yeah I chose violence today because this fanbase is dense as a brick.

Makes no sense considering any QB would look just like Russ or worse with the way the offense works. Having to face the Donald 3 times this season and watching the pocket collapse randomly while trying to take deep shots. You can throw short passes but being so predictable still leads to pick sixes and 3 and outs. Its a pete and john problem with how long this PC keeps middling coaches and then picking the wrong lineman every draft it seems.

Paul Gallant. Immediate disqualification....not even worth reading 5 lines coming from that idiot.
He has been blasting Russ for WEEKS. And who the hell is Paul Gallant?

This sucks as a whole.

Meh, just off-season drama that won't lead a damn thing.

SoulfishHawk wrote:Paul Gallant. Immediate disqualification....not even worth reading 5 lines coming from that idiot.
He has been blasting Russ for WEEKS. And who the hell is Paul Gallant?

Paul Gallant is a highly respected radio personality who came here from Houston with an annoying voice and is the reason I no longer listen to 710

Yep, smart move. I can handle him for about 5 minutes, then it's time to flip the station.

ducks41468 wrote:Of course he's not immune to it, but he's getting overwhelmingly blasted for finally making some sort of comment about it after 8 years when other QB's, including all great QB's, whine and complain all the time and their fans adore them for their tenacity and fire.

I do follow other teams and the response is completely hypocritical. I mean Stafford, a guy who couldn't win a big game, was roundly supported for finally being traded to a winning team by his fans. And here we get...this. You'd think he was Goff or Wentz

Well, that's not 'hypocritical'. That's two different groups responding differently.

In my case, I'm not other fans and I don't applaud other teams QBs throwing their teammates under the bus and just chalk it up to 'tenacity and fire'. If it gets results, ok, I guess I understand it, but I don't like it from anybody. Rather than being hypocritical that makes me consistent. (My least favorite QB in the NFL is Rodgers because of the whining he did following the 'Fail Mary' game and I never lost that opinion of him as a complainer... also, the fact that he's really good and thus makes GB a formidable opponent in the NFC doesn't help.)

My problem with this specific tact by Russ, though, is that he's calling out a OL that he also left high and dry a lot of the year. Would you be ok with Duane Brown taking veiled shots at Russ because he's tired of having to block twice as long as designed on every play?

That said... I still mostly blame Pete for our stalled (borderline nonexistent) offensive philosophy. Hopefully, this new OC will be the change we need and who knows? Maybe Russ putting this out in the media (even if I don't agree with it personally) will be enough to lead the entire org to do some soul searching and fix the issues we are having. (Pete's deficiencies have been so consistent across multiple OCs and QBs that I doubt it, though.)

It might be nice if some of you would add some context to your takes. Russ has agreed to a partial restructuring of his deal in the past and none of us have any proof that he isn’t currently working with the team on similar paths. And the Hawks made I believe 19 Oline moves before last season, obviously no home runs but it wasn’t for lack of effort. And for as much as I’ve read none of his comments seem anywhere near inflammatory. But I think a poster above pointed out why Russ is received the way he is...

DarkVictory23 wrote:

ducks41468 wrote:Of course he's not immune to it, but he's getting overwhelmingly blasted for finally making some sort of comment about it after 8 years when other QB's, including all great QB's, whine and complain all the time and their fans adore them for their tenacity and fire.

I do follow other teams and the response is completely hypocritical. I mean Stafford, a guy who couldn't win a big game, was roundly supported for finally being traded to a winning team by his fans. And here we get...this. You'd think he was Goff or Wentz

Well, that's not 'hypocritical'. That's two different groups responding differently.

In my case, I'm not other fans and I don't applaud other teams QBs throwing their teammates under the bus and just chalk it up to 'tenacity and fire'. If it gets results, ok, I guess I understand it, but I don't like it from anybody. Rather than being hypocritical that makes me consistent. (My least favorite QB in the NFL is Rodgers because of the whining he did following the 'Fail Mary' game and I never lost that opinion of him as a complainer... also, the fact that he's really good and thus makes GB a formidable opponent in the NFC doesn't help.)

My problem with this specific tact by Russ, though, is that he's calling out a OL that he also left high and dry a lot of the year. Would you be ok with Duane Brown taking veiled shots at Russ because he's tired of having to block twice as long as designed on every play?

That said... I still mostly blame Pete for our stalled (borderline nonexistent) offensive philosophy. Hopefully, this new OC will be the change we need and who knows? Maybe Russ putting this out in the media (even if I don't agree with it personally) will be enough to lead the entire org to do some soul searching and fix the issues we are having. (Pete's deficiencies have been so consistent across multiple OCs and QBs that I doubt it, though.)

I would agree with you, but Russ did include himself as someone who needs to play better. If he just came out and said everyone else needs to get better then yeah, that's bad. But this is saying that everyone, including him and coaches, need to pick it up and be better and make adjustments.

Let's not forget, DK also said teams figured them out and they didn't make adjustments. So between him and Russ, and what Brandon Marshal was saying, I'm thinking more than a few players want adjustments from management on how the offense is run.

hoxrox wrote:Best way the FO can support Russ this off season is to:

1) Hire a new offensive coordinator who will implement a balanced attack – Check.
2) Continue to upgrade the O-line – guard and center – Pending.
3) Draft a stud RB who will make defenses respect the run game. Pending.
4) Find a reliable third down target, whether that’s a WR, RB or TE. Pending.

On Russ side, here’s where he can improve this off season:

1) Hit receivers in stride on crossers like Mahomes can do with regularity
2) Learn to attack the entire field and let players around him make plays
3) Drop few pounds / get faster / quicker
4) Get better at pre-snap reads / be ready audible when needed

Lol be more like mahomes? The mahomes who cracked under the first sign of pressure? Russell Wilson doesn't crack under pressure. Maybe Mahomes should be more like Wilson. You cant be better than the blueprint. I can't tell if yall are fans or not.

Tinamedina wrote:

hoxrox wrote:Best way the FO can support Russ this off season is to:

1) Hire a new offensive coordinator who will implement a balanced attack – Check.
2) Continue to upgrade the O-line – guard and center – Pending.
3) Draft a stud RB who will make defenses respect the run game. Pending.
4) Find a reliable third down target, whether that’s a WR, RB or TE. Pending.

On Russ side, here’s where he can improve this off season:

1) Hit receivers in stride on crossers like Mahomes can do with regularity
2) Learn to attack the entire field and let players around him make plays
3) Drop few pounds / get faster / quicker
4) Get better at pre-snap reads / be ready audible when needed

Lol be more like mahomes? The mahomes who cracked under the first sign of pressure? Russell Wilson doesn't crack under pressure. Maybe Mahomes should be more like Wilson. You cant be better than the blueprint. I can't tell if yall are fans or not.

Lets be honest, Wilson spent his whole career here pretty much facing the Kill Kurt drill, Mahomes has had one of the cleanest Jerseys in the league up till his last game and probably didn't even know there was such a thing as a Kill Kurt Drill.

A_Biased_Fan wrote:
I would agree with you, but Russ did include himself as someone who needs to play better. If he just came out and said everyone else needs to get better then yeah, that's bad. But this is saying that everyone, including him and coaches, need to pick it up and be better and make adjustments.

Let's not forget, DK also said teams figured them out and they didn't make adjustments. So between him and Russ, and what Brandon Marshal was saying, I'm thinking more than a few players want adjustments from management on how the offense is run.

That's true, he did include himself and to be fair to Russ, I think him trying to say 'I'm tired of being hit' might have been his way of trying to somewhat change what was originally reported as a specific criticism of the O-Line into sort of a general commentary against failures of the entire offense (which is what I hope he was trying to do even if it still kind of comes off as a crit of the O-Line).

And as I said, the primary culprit for our problems, to me, still lie with Pete. That doesn't change what Russ failed to do (and some of the takes I see trying to protect his failure to complete accurate and timely short and middle reads by referencing their magical spot in the progression or his failure to make pre-snap adjustments to his reads as if that's something a HOF level QB shouldn't be expected are ridiculous), but our entire offensive philosophy has needed change for multiple seasons now.

That's going to require Pete to develop the humility to finally accept that he doesn't know how to run an offense and never has and I think Russ is also going to have to accept some changes to an offense that hopefully will not be asking him to make highlight reel plays on such a regular basis.


Overall, I personally just think the O-Line has been too much of a scapegoat for our problems this year. I'm not saying we shouldn't want better than average (which is what our O-Line mostly was, slightly better than average during the early part of the season before every team started dropping two high safeties on us every play, every game) but we also can't act like average OL play leads to some of the worst QB pressure and hit rates in the league. The difference needs to be laid at the feet of our scheme and yes, to some degree, our QB.

chris98251 wrote:

Tinamedina wrote:

hoxrox wrote:Best way the FO can support Russ this off season is to:

1) Hire a new offensive coordinator who will implement a balanced attack – Check.
2) Continue to upgrade the O-line – guard and center – Pending.
3) Draft a stud RB who will make defenses respect the run game. Pending.
4) Find a reliable third down target, whether that’s a WR, RB or TE. Pending.

On Russ side, here’s where he can improve this off season:

1) Hit receivers in stride on crossers like Mahomes can do with regularity
2) Learn to attack the entire field and let players around him make plays
3) Drop few pounds / get faster / quicker
4) Get better at pre-snap reads / be ready audible when needed

Lol be more like mahomes? The mahomes who cracked under the first sign of pressure? Russell Wilson doesn't crack under pressure. Maybe Mahomes should be more like Wilson. You cant be better than the blueprint. I can't tell if yall are fans or not.

Lets be honest, Wilson spent his whole career here pretty much facing the Kill Kurt drill, Mahomes has had one of the cleanest Jerseys in the league up till his last game and probably didn't even know there was such a thing as a Kill Kurt Drill.

I knew Mahomes couldnt handle pressure when he went up against the panthers, chargers, raiders aka good defenses. Of course the bucs would be too much for him.