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  • https://youtu.be/oOiDyYUcels

    Marshall also says seahawks don't believe in russ
    Give this video a watch, Marshall talks about the game plan Pete wants , russell holding the ball long is on Pete

    No quick game , inside scoop... Amazing

    This is a newer video on first things first came out today
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  • It's obviously time to start up the uniform threads...
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  • Brandon Marshall was SPOT ON
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  • BEASTM0DE wrote:Brandon Marshall was SPOT ON


    He kept it 100% also said saints made the call to Seattle for wilson
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  • The weird part is that Wilson usually has some polished answer that is super optimistic.

    It would normally be something like "I want to play in Seattle until I am 45" or "I want to retire a Seahawk after having won another SB or two".

    To say something like "well that is the business" like he did, is telling.

    He might not be pushing out the door, but he either has one foot out of it or is nervously eyeing the distance to the nearest door.

    That is a lot of smoke about this, all over the NFL talk shows, for something with supposedly no legs.

    The Chiefs were just blown out. Mahomes is still taking heat, or getting defended.

    Brady just won another SB.

    It isn't like there is nothing to write about. There is probably some truth here.

    They probably warned Carroll about letting Russ cook. So Carroll gave in, then he shut down Russ cooking in the 2nd half of the year. So Russ did exactly what he promised - start looking at his options to play under a coach or team where he could accomplish more.

    And we have this because of that.
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  • TwistedHusky wrote:The weird part is that Wilson usually has some polished answer that is super optimistic.

    It would normally be something like "I want to play in Seattle until I am 45" or "I want to retire a Seahawk after having won another SB or two".

    To say something like "well that is the business" like he did, is telling.

    He might not be pushing out the door, but he either has one foot out of it or is nervously eyeing the distance to the nearest door.

    That is a lot of smoke about this, all over the NFL talk shows, for something with supposedly no legs.

    The Chiefs were just blown out. Mahomes is still taking heat, or getting defended.

    Brady just won another SB.

    It isn't like there is nothing to write about. There is probably some truth here.

    They probably warned Carroll about letting Russ cook. So Carroll gave in, then he shut down Russ cooking in the 2nd half of the year. So Russ did exactly what he promised - start looking at his options to play under a coach or team where he could accomplish more.

    And we have this because of that.

    Agreed!
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  • Pete has to allow the quick passing game, and has to be more hands off with the offense, or the ride is over.
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  • Asked by Dan Patrick whether he’s available in trade, Wilson said this: “I’m not sure if I’m available or not. That’s a Seahawks question.”

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    “I definitely believe they’ve gotten calls,” Wilson said regarding potential trade inquiries. “Any time you’re a player that tries to produce every week and has done it consistently, I think people are gonna call for sure. I think that’s part of the process.”

    Another part of the process is winning. Wilson wants to do more of it. “At the end of the day, you want to win,” Wilson said. “You play this game every day to wake up to win. You play this game to be the best in the world. You know what I hate? I hate sitting there watching other guys play the game.”


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  • TwistedHusky wrote:The weird part is that Wilson usually has some polished answer that is super optimistic.

    It would normally be something like "I want to play in Seattle until I am 45" or "I want to retire a Seahawk after having won another SB or two".

    To say something like "well that is the business" like he did, is telling.

    He might not be pushing out the door, but he either has one foot out of it or is nervously eyeing the distance to the nearest door.

    That is a lot of smoke about this, all over the NFL talk shows, for something with supposedly no legs.

    The Chiefs were just blown out. Mahomes is still taking heat, or getting defended.

    Brady just won another SB.

    It isn't like there is nothing to write about. There is probably some truth here.

    They probably warned Carroll about letting Russ cook. So Carroll gave in, then he shut down Russ cooking in the 2nd half of the year. So Russ did exactly what he promised - start looking at his options to play under a coach or team where he could accomplish more.

    And we have this because of that.



    I agree whats worse is part of the reason for the issues games 6-8 were because of PC changing things because we lost 1 of our Rbs, and olineman.
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  • I’d hate to lose Russ but, it would be entertaining to see the haters attitudes and comments once we started going 5-11, 6-10, etc.
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  • SNDavidson wrote:Pete has to allow the quick passing game, and has to be more hands off with the offense, or the ride is over.


    Pete needs to "Let Waldron Cook" this offense up with no micro-managing.
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  • It'd break my heart if the relationship was not salvageable. Absolutely devastate me in every way.

    That said, if the relationship is NOT salvageable, Seattle needs to get enough in return to have the ability to move to #1 if needed in the next 3 drafts. No less. It's hard to find a great quarterback in this league, and we're gonna need multiple at-bats if we can't get on base with the first one.

    I don't think it'll be necessary, though. This is all just a leverage game. But, should the unthinkable need to happen, it'll have to be in return for a package never before approached in the history of the NFL.
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  • Elemas wrote:I’d hate to lose Russ but, it would be entertaining to see the haters attitudes and comments once we started going 5-11, 6-10, etc.


    If it meant we were building up for another run I'd take it. Right now its the same thing every year. No real progress is being made. Just rinse and repeat getting $h!t on in the second round with another Wilson dud performance in the playoffs.
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  • RCATES wrote:
    Elemas wrote:I’d hate to lose Russ but, it would be entertaining to see the haters attitudes and comments once we started going 5-11, 6-10, etc.


    If it meant we were building up for another run I'd take it. Right now its the same thing every year. No real progress is being made. Just rinse and repeat getting $h!t on in the second round with another Wilson dud performance in the playoffs.


    I suppose this would be my attitude as well if it were to ever happen. I feel like this team is an offensive coordinator and DB stud away...perhaps a dominant d-lineman as well...from competing for a SB.

    Russ playing elsewhere is inconceivable but, I feel like the window for this group is closing fast. There’s got to be an overarching strategic thought that considers a rebuild. Alternatives that JS and PC have considered.

    If SF pulls a rabbit out of their butts, and against all recent reports, lands Watson, I can easily picture Seattle fading fast and being inclined to start a rebuild. The conference is hard enough but, you’ve got to at least be thinking of this from the “odds” perspective if you’re facing a bolstered Rams unit, a SF squad that was decimated by injury, and a hungry Cardinals team that will be returning key players next season.

    I wouldn’t be happy but, if we’re talking three firsts and unloading a significant portion of our cap with a total realization that we’re rebuilding over the next 3-4 years, I may understand it.
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  • You are kidding right?

    You don't trade away Wilson. That is insane.

    You replace Carroll.

    There is no upside to keeping Carroll and trading Wilson.

    There is an upside to getting rid of Carroll and keeping Wilson. Not a great % of success but the alternative has a near zero chance of success.

    This isn't hard math. You give Wilson what he wants. If Wilson wants what the coach does not, then the coach has to go.

    Because our coach is almost 90 anyway and it isn't like he has many years left to build any kind of winning team without a QB.

    While a great QB can get another coach and keep winning.

    Not hard math. AT ALL.



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    Okay maybe if you can trade for Watson. But that isn't even close to likely.
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  • I think people are misunderstanding the situation, Marshall included. Wilson is not trying to move on from Seattle. Seattle is and has been trying to move on from Wilson, and what we're seeing is damage control and a leverage play from both sides. Think about it, in 2018, Pete and John were close to trading Russ to Cleveland for the #1 pick, and something else, so they could take Josh Allen. In 2017, they were supposedly preparing to trade up for Mahomes if he fell into the mid teens. There is a reason Russ wanted a no trade clause.

    If this is a front office that believes they need Russ, they certainly have not acted like it. Their actions speak to a forced marriage. In other words, they want to move on, they just haven't found a deal that works for them. And Russ is too valuable to move on from without getting something worthwhile in return.

    Ultimately, I don't think they will move on from Russ this season. However, if anyone is capable of pulling out a jaw dropping trade it's JS. Whether that's a good thing for us as fans? Who knows. But you'd have to think that Pete and John would consider trading Russ to the Jet's for Quinnen Williams, the #2 pick, our first, and a host of other picks, and have one last run at building a team in their image before Pete retires.
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  • TwistedHusky wrote:You are kidding right?

    You don't trade away Wilson. That is insane.

    You replace Carroll.

    There is no upside to keeping Carroll and trading Wilson.

    There is an upside to getting rid of Carroll and keeping Wilson. Not a great % of success but the alternative has a near zero chance of success.

    This isn't hard math. You give Wilson what he wants. If Wilson wants what the coach does not, then the coach has to go.

    Because our coach is almost 90 anyway and it isn't like he has many years left to build any kind of winning team without a QB.

    While a great QB can get another coach and keep winning.

    Not hard math. AT ALL.



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    Okay maybe if you can trade for Watson. But that isn't even close to likely.


    I’d take Watson as well. I think I’d want a pick or two as well.

    I agree with you. Keep Wilson...get rid of Pete. But, doesn’t it seem that the writing on the wall says that if the Hawks are forced to chose between PC and Russ, Pete’s staying?

    It’s frustrating. Infuriating to be honest. But, they have looked at shopping him before. Hell, I’m sure every team considers all potential trade scenarios. Even if they’re downright ludicrous.

    We’re seeing statements being made that haven’t been made before. We’re hearing about teams inquiring about a RW trade. Unprecedented....smoke...fire....I’m worried.

    Man...I’m on the edge of my seat here as I’m sure you all are as well. This could just be a lot of chatter but, it’s 100% drama for sure.

    I’d shed some tears...literally shed tears.
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  • RCATES wrote:
    Elemas wrote:I’d hate to lose Russ but, it would be entertaining to see the haters attitudes and comments once we started going 5-11, 6-10, etc.


    If it meant we were building up for another run I'd take it. Right now its the same thing every year. No real progress is being made. Just rinse and repeat getting $h!t on in the second round with another Wilson dud performance in the playoffs.



    LOl yeah it's all Wilsons Fault we can't get beyond the 1st round and FYI his last 3 playoffs games included 2 game with a Qb rating over 100 so much for dud performances every year. he has been over 95Qb rating 5 of his 8 years. Let me remind you 85 is avg. He has only been below 85 2 times. Brady has been below 85 8 times to include a putrid 49. Rodgers below 85 2 times as well.
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  • knownone wrote:I think people are misunderstanding the situation, Marshall included. Wilson is not trying to move on from Seattle. Seattle is and has been trying to move on from Wilson, and what we're seeing is damage control and a leverage play from both sides. Think about it, in 2018, Pete and John were close to trading Russ to Cleveland for the #1 pick, and something else, so they could take Josh Allen. In 2017, they were supposedly preparing to trade up for Mahomes if he fell into the mid teens. There is a reason Russ wanted a no trade clause.

    If this is a front office that believes they need Russ, they certainly have not acted like it. Their actions speak to a forced marriage. In other words, they want to move on, they just haven't found a deal that works for them. And Russ is too valuable to move on from without getting something worthwhile in return.

    Ultimately, I don't think they will move on from Russ this season. However, if anyone is capable of pulling out a jaw dropping trade it's JS. Whether that's a good thing for us as fans? Who knows. But you'd have to think that Pete and John would consider trading Russ to the Jet's for Quinnen Williams, the #2 pick, our first, and a host of other picks, and have one last run at building a team in their image before Pete retires.


    I don't buy the Browns story for a second. Chris Simms is a clown, and the rumor was corroborated by exactly no one.

    With Mahomes, though... Schneider comes from Green Bay. He's a Thompson disciple. They evaluated Mahomes as the best player in the class, and from a value standpoint, they'd HAVE to have considered him at the spot. Even still, such an incendiary rumor getting out of the building leads me to believe that they were just deliberately trying to secure an attractive trade-down package for 26 had Mahomes fallen.

    EDIT: Doubling back to the Browns story... does anyone believe the Browns would seriously turn down Russell Wilson for a draft pick? The compensation is staggeringly off.
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  • Elemas wrote:I’d hate to lose Russ but, it would be entertaining to see the haters attitudes and comments once we started going 5-11, 6-10, etc.


    That would be the upside case. That being said, I'd be surprised if he forced himself out right after we hired what appears to be an actual competent OC
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  • knownone wrote:I think people are misunderstanding the situation, Marshall included. Wilson is not trying to move on from Seattle. Seattle is and has been trying to move on from Wilson, and what we're seeing is damage control and a leverage play from both sides. Think about it, in 2018, Pete and John were close to trading Russ to Cleveland for the #1 pick, and something else, so they could take Josh Allen. In 2017, they were supposedly preparing to trade up for Mahomes if he fell into the mid teens. There is a reason Russ wanted a no trade clause.

    If this is a front office that believes they need Russ, they certainly have not acted like it. Their actions speak to a forced marriage. In other words, they want to move on, they just haven't found a deal that works for them. And Russ is too valuable to move on from without getting something worthwhile in return.

    Ultimately, I don't think they will move on from Russ this season. However, if anyone is capable of pulling out a jaw dropping trade it's JS. Whether that's a good thing for us as fans? Who knows. But you'd have to think that Pete and John would consider trading Russ to the Jet's for Quinnen Williams, the #2 pick, our first, and a host of other picks, and have one last run at building a team in their image before Pete retires.


    Facts.
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  • SlickRick wrote:https://youtu.be/oOiDyYUcels

    Marshall also says seahawks don't believe in russ
    Give this video a watch, Marshall talks about the game plan Pete wants , russell holding the ball long is on Pete

    No quick game , inside scoop... Amazing

    This is a newer video on first things first came out today


    Thanks - Brandon Marshall giving russ tips on how to lead. But he is right. I see players on great teams rallying around their qb but don't see the same camaraderie with russ and the offense.
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  • TwistedHusky wrote:You are kidding right?

    You don't trade away Wilson. That is insane.

    You replace Carroll.

    There is no upside to keeping Carroll and trading Wilson.

    There is an upside to getting rid of Carroll and keeping Wilson. Not a great % of success but the alternative has a near zero chance of success.

    This isn't hard math. You give Wilson what he wants. If Wilson wants what the coach does not, then the coach has to go.

    Because our coach is almost 90 anyway and it isn't like he has many years left to build any kind of winning team without a QB.

    While a great QB can get another coach and keep winning.

    Not hard math. AT ALL.



    EDIT:
    Okay maybe if you can trade for Watson. But that isn't even close to likely.


    No way Pete over Russ any day! Russ choked!
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  • knownone wrote:I think people are misunderstanding the situation, Marshall included. Wilson is not trying to move on from Seattle. Seattle is and has been trying to move on from Wilson, and what we're seeing is damage control and a leverage play from both sides. Think about it, in 2018, Pete and John were close to trading Russ to Cleveland for the #1 pick, and something else, so they could take Josh Allen. In 2017, they were supposedly preparing to trade up for Mahomes if he fell into the mid teens. There is a reason Russ wanted a no trade clause.

    If this is a front office that believes they need Russ, they certainly have not acted like it. Their actions speak to a forced marriage. In other words, they want to move on, they just haven't found a deal that works for them. And Russ is too valuable to move on from without getting something worthwhile in return.

    Ultimately, I don't think they will move on from Russ this season. However, if anyone is capable of pulling out a jaw dropping trade it's JS. Whether that's a good thing for us as fans? Who knows. But you'd have to think that Pete and John would consider trading Russ to the Jet's for Quinnen Williams, the #2 pick, our first, and a host of other picks, and have one last run at building a team in their image before Pete retires.


    Wow I completely missed it too! All I saw was Baker never once thought it was Allen. I think your %100 right. The truth is I’m completely biased against Sierra, I don’t like her, I hate her friends, & since they got together I’ve wanted Russ out of Seattle.
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  • Maelstrom787 wrote:
    knownone wrote:I think people are misunderstanding the situation, Marshall included. Wilson is not trying to move on from Seattle. Seattle is and has been trying to move on from Wilson, and what we're seeing is damage control and a leverage play from both sides. Think about it, in 2018, Pete and John were close to trading Russ to Cleveland for the #1 pick, and something else, so they could take Josh Allen. In 2017, they were supposedly preparing to trade up for Mahomes if he fell into the mid teens. There is a reason Russ wanted a no trade clause.

    If this is a front office that believes they need Russ, they certainly have not acted like it. Their actions speak to a forced marriage. In other words, they want to move on, they just haven't found a deal that works for them. And Russ is too valuable to move on from without getting something worthwhile in return.

    Ultimately, I don't think they will move on from Russ this season. However, if anyone is capable of pulling out a jaw dropping trade it's JS. Whether that's a good thing for us as fans? Who knows. But you'd have to think that Pete and John would consider trading Russ to the Jet's for Quinnen Williams, the #2 pick, our first, and a host of other picks, and have one last run at building a team in their image before Pete retires.


    I don't buy the Browns story for a second. Chris Simms is a clown, and the rumor was corroborated by exactly no one.

    With Mahomes, though... Schneider comes from Green Bay. He's a Thompson disciple. They evaluated Mahomes as the best player in the class, and from a value standpoint, they'd HAVE to have considered him at the spot. Even still, such an incendiary rumor getting out of the building leads me to believe that they were just deliberately trying to secure an attractive trade-down package for 26 had Mahomes fallen.

    EDIT: Doubling back to the Browns story... does anyone believe the Browns would seriously turn down Russell Wilson for a draft pick? The compensation is staggeringly off.


    Russ doesn’t throw into tight windows, if they like Mahomes how could they not like Allen? I loved Allen and I dreamed of getting him.
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  • FresnoHawk68 wrote:
    Maelstrom787 wrote:
    knownone wrote:I think people are misunderstanding the situation, Marshall included. Wilson is not trying to move on from Seattle. Seattle is and has been trying to move on from Wilson, and what we're seeing is damage control and a leverage play from both sides. Think about it, in 2018, Pete and John were close to trading Russ to Cleveland for the #1 pick, and something else, so they could take Josh Allen. In 2017, they were supposedly preparing to trade up for Mahomes if he fell into the mid teens. There is a reason Russ wanted a no trade clause.

    If this is a front office that believes they need Russ, they certainly have not acted like it. Their actions speak to a forced marriage. In other words, they want to move on, they just haven't found a deal that works for them. And Russ is too valuable to move on from without getting something worthwhile in return.

    Ultimately, I don't think they will move on from Russ this season. However, if anyone is capable of pulling out a jaw dropping trade it's JS. Whether that's a good thing for us as fans? Who knows. But you'd have to think that Pete and John would consider trading Russ to the Jet's for Quinnen Williams, the #2 pick, our first, and a host of other picks, and have one last run at building a team in their image before Pete retires.


    I don't buy the Browns story for a second. Chris Simms is a clown, and the rumor was corroborated by exactly no one.

    With Mahomes, though... Schneider comes from Green Bay. He's a Thompson disciple. They evaluated Mahomes as the best player in the class, and from a value standpoint, they'd HAVE to have considered him at the spot. Even still, such an incendiary rumor getting out of the building leads me to believe that they were just deliberately trying to secure an attractive trade-down package for 26 had Mahomes fallen.

    EDIT: Doubling back to the Browns story... does anyone believe the Browns would seriously turn down Russell Wilson for a draft pick? The compensation is staggeringly off.


    Russ doesn’t throw into tight windows, if they like Mahomes how could they not like Allen? I loved Allen and I dreamed of getting him.


    If we're to believe the stories, they would've taken Mayfield over Allen. None of it really adds up.

    Also, Russ avoiding tight windows is literally a product of coaching. Ask Pete Carroll how he feels about risky throws.
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  • Lots of off season drama
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  • Marshall is also extremely off-base with his information about the offensive line. More of the tired, inaccurate "they don't invest in it" garbage. They traded for Brown, they drafted Pocic in round 2, Ifedi round 1, Britt round 2, Lewis round 3, and regularly sink mid-round picks into it too. They don't ignore it in the draft like he implies.
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  • The writers and sports talk guys. It clearly is the idiot convention.
    They want clicks, they are getting them, so more power to them I guess...…...Meh
    Russ doesn't throw in to tight windows? Now THAT is funny. He's only been doing it his entire career.
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  • SoulfishHawk wrote:The writers and sports talk guys. It clearly is the idiot convention.
    They want clicks, they are getting them, so more power to them I guess...…...Meh


    Yep. Lots of guys whipping out their keyboards and firing up the ol' site-traffic-machine with their Russ takes in the media right now.
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  • And he'll be under center in 2021 and beyond. And at least we had something to talk about. Thank God Free Agency is coming up.
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  • All this and I mean all the b!@ch and moaning the multiple threads the pissed off Wilson and firing of Schotty comes back to one thing.

    Not adjusting to deep Cover two for half the season.

    Blaming Schotty may be popular but to adjust to it you have to run underneath YAC routes or bend teams to your will with a running game they cannot stop.

    Pete does not like using the middle of the field due to possible tips and bounces off receivers hands for easy INT's

    We have never seen a season where he has used crossing patterns in stride as part of his offense, thats with what 4 coordinators? While almost every other team has that and uses that in their offense.

    Why I think his fingerprints are still in a large portion of our offense.

    Difference of opinion is what was stated with all of the OC's leaving, I can bet it wasn't about what kind of blocking schemes to use for the running game that was that difference, it was the passing game.

    Really it's kind of a head scratcher, Pete coached under Walsh for a short period, and Walsh used the run and ball control passing game in the WCO which was all about YAC.
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  • It was not a difference of opinion.

    The actual quote (allegedly) from Carroll to the media in why they released the OC was a 'difference in philosophy'

    That might sound the same, but it isn't.
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  • FresnoHawk68 wrote:
    knownone wrote:I think people are misunderstanding the situation, Marshall included. Wilson is not trying to move on from Seattle. Seattle is and has been trying to move on from Wilson, and what we're seeing is damage control and a leverage play from both sides. Think about it, in 2018, Pete and John were close to trading Russ to Cleveland for the #1 pick, and something else, so they could take Josh Allen. In 2017, they were supposedly preparing to trade up for Mahomes if he fell into the mid teens. There is a reason Russ wanted a no trade clause.

    If this is a front office that believes they need Russ, they certainly have not acted like it. Their actions speak to a forced marriage. In other words, they want to move on, they just haven't found a deal that works for them. And Russ is too valuable to move on from without getting something worthwhile in return.

    Ultimately, I don't think they will move on from Russ this season. However, if anyone is capable of pulling out a jaw dropping trade it's JS. Whether that's a good thing for us as fans? Who knows. But you'd have to think that Pete and John would consider trading Russ to the Jet's for Quinnen Williams, the #2 pick, our first, and a host of other picks, and have one last run at building a team in their image before Pete retires.


    Wow I completely missed it too! All I saw was Baker never once thought it was Allen. I think your %100 right. The truth is I’m completely biased against Sierra, I don’t like her, I hate her friends, & since they got together I’ve wanted Russ out of Seattle.


    This take is why no one should take anything you’ve posted on the entire forum seriously. Makes me wonder...did Russ steal your bike when you where kids. You are sad
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  • TwistedHusky wrote:It was not a difference of opinion.

    The actual quote (allegedly) from Carroll to the media in why they released the OC was a 'difference in philosophy'

    That might sound the same, but it isn't.


    Opinion or philosophy, either way it was how to use the passing game I would bet on it. Deep safe passes or sideline going out of bounds versus in stride routes and over the middle as part of the tree.

    We have always said the passing tree we use is simplistic and predictable with Pete here, blamed it on Bevell and Schotty mostly. But the one thing that has been constant is Pete.
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  • That is the thing Chris,

    Difference of opinion you can overcome. Maybe you can address or negotiate on key points. Maybe concede here and there or the reverse.

    Difference of philosophy means 2 core beliefs that are not compatible. Building a bridge over that is not impossible but unlikely. Hence the need to get rid of the OC.

    More importantly, Wilson was aligned to his OC's philosophy. Which means Carroll likely is not aligned to Wilson's. That is a problem that there is little avenue to overcome.

    Even worse when you hear some of the quotes in the media about his and they say things like 'I talked to Carroll and he said he wanted to get back to 90s football" (ie run the ball, control the clock, etc). Notice I did not say they 'think' Carroll wants this, this is what Carroll allegedly said.

    Which is problematic because if you want to re-create 90s football, you are not going to be a winning playoff team. Period. Worse you are not going to have the support of your star QB, because 90s football cuts the legs off of the best QBs.

    A difference of philosophy is a giant chasm. And if this exists between Carroll and Wilson, then the person who matters here is Wilson. Carroll needs to either get in line or convince Wilson to integrate his philosophy.

    You think that is likely?
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  • TwistedHusky wrote:That is the thing Chris,

    Difference of opinion you can overcome. Maybe you can address or negotiate on key points. Maybe concede here and there or the reverse.

    Difference of philosophy means 2 core beliefs that are not compatible. Building a bridge over that is not impossible but unlikely. Hence the need to get rid of the OC.

    More importantly, Wilson was aligned to his OC's philosophy. Which means Carroll likely is not aligned to Wilson's. That is a problem that there is little avenue to overcome.

    Even worse when you hear some of the quotes in the media about his and they say things like 'I talked to Carroll and he said he wanted to get back to 90s football" (ie run the ball, control the clock, etc). Notice I did not say they 'think' Carroll wants this, this is what Carroll allegedly said.

    Which is problematic because if you want to re-create 90s football, you are not going to be a winning playoff team. Period. Worse you are not going to have the support of your star QB, because 90s football cuts the legs off of the best QBs.

    A difference of philosophy is a giant chasm. And if this exists between Carroll and Wilson, then the person who matters here is Wilson. Carroll needs to either get in line or convince Wilson to integrate his philosophy.

    You think that is likely?


    As I said in another thread or maybe up in this one, Wilson now feels mortality as many do when they get in their 30's, stuff hurts in the morning and you don't bounce as well.

    Wilson seen what can be done, the cork has been pulled from the bottle, Pete shoved it back in midway thru the season and either would not let them adjust with short games and YAC routes over the middle or Wilson would not use them for fear of the repercussions if there was a turn over.

    I think that success opened up Russells eyes some, the frustration is not getting a chance to build and adjust on that for whatever reason. It's not just Wilson it's the WR's and TE's also. we don't use them like we should in the passing attack or didn't last eyar until desperation.
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  • chris98251 wrote:
    TwistedHusky wrote:That is the thing Chris,

    Difference of opinion you can overcome. Maybe you can address or negotiate on key points. Maybe concede here and there or the reverse.

    Difference of philosophy means 2 core beliefs that are not compatible. Building a bridge over that is not impossible but unlikely. Hence the need to get rid of the OC.

    More importantly, Wilson was aligned to his OC's philosophy. Which means Carroll likely is not aligned to Wilson's. That is a problem that there is little avenue to overcome.

    Even worse when you hear some of the quotes in the media about his and they say things like 'I talked to Carroll and he said he wanted to get back to 90s football" (ie run the ball, control the clock, etc). Notice I did not say they 'think' Carroll wants this, this is what Carroll allegedly said.

    Which is problematic because if you want to re-create 90s football, you are not going to be a winning playoff team. Period. Worse you are not going to have the support of your star QB, because 90s football cuts the legs off of the best QBs.

    A difference of philosophy is a giant chasm. And if this exists between Carroll and Wilson, then the person who matters here is Wilson. Carroll needs to either get in line or convince Wilson to integrate his philosophy.

    You think that is likely?


    As I said in another thread or maybe up in this one, Wilson now feels mortality as many do when they get in their 30's, stuff hurts in the morning and you don't bounce as well.

    Wilson seen what can be done, the cork has been pulled from the bottle, Pete shoved it back in midway thru the season and either would not let them adjust with short games and YAC routes over the middle or Wilson would not use them for fear of the repercussions if there was a turn over.

    I think that success opened up Russells eyes some, the frustration is not getting a chance to build and adjust on that for whatever reason. It's not just Wilson it's the WR's and TE's also. we don't use them like we should in the passing attack or didn't last eyar until desperation.


    I agree this is more than Wilson. Dk spoke up. Tyler made a comment and I know others have too. Marshall even said others on the team feel the same way.
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    Maelstrom787 wrote:Marshall is also extremely off-base with his information about the offensive line. More of the tired, inaccurate "they don't invest in it" garbage. They traded for Brown, they drafted Pocic in round 2, Ifedi round 1, Britt round 2, Lewis round 3, and regularly sink mid-round picks into it too. They don't ignore it in the draft like he implies.

    they just cannot draft any good o linemen. Besides Brown who on that list is any good?
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  • Cyrus12 wrote:[tweet][/tweet]
    Maelstrom787 wrote:Marshall is also extremely off-base with his information about the offensive line. More of the tired, inaccurate "they don't invest in it" garbage. They traded for Brown, they drafted Pocic in round 2, Ifedi round 1, Britt round 2, Lewis round 3, and regularly sink mid-round picks into it too. They don't ignore it in the draft like he implies.

    they just cannot draft any good o linemen. Besides Brown who on that list is any good?


    1. The point I'm making is that saying the Seahawks don't invest in the position is wrong. They're not neglecting or ignoring it, which many people think is the case. It's a flawed argument.

    2. The Brown trade was amazing for a legitimately elite left tackle.

    3. Lewis is REALLY good, Pocic has been a net negative but is pretty average at center, Britt followed the same path as Pocic, Ifedi was not good but not bad by the end of his time here and played well for Chicago. I think they do draft talented guys, for the most part. They've just struggled at putting them at their best spots. With them moving Pocic to his natural spot and keeping Lewis at his natural spot, I'm encouraged that they've realized the error of their ways.

    4. They also signed Shell, who played at an above average level. Simmons and Jones are good backups.

    The offensive line did its job. They won pass blocks at a really impressive rate last year, and almost all of the ugly moments came after the ball was held for 3 seconds or backups were getting beat. The 2020 scheme asked a LOT of them. Their plates were overflowing.

    With that being said... I'd like to see them acquire a real stud. Linsley, Thuney, or Scherff. If only to keep Russell happy. If the OL looks better this year, I'm almost certain it'll be due to Waldron's scheme making their job a lot easier.
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  • Elemas wrote:
    TwistedHusky wrote:You are kidding right?

    You don't trade away Wilson. That is insane.

    You replace Carroll.

    There is no upside to keeping Carroll and trading Wilson.

    There is an upside to getting rid of Carroll and keeping Wilson. Not a great % of success but the alternative has a near zero chance of success.

    This isn't hard math. You give Wilson what he wants. If Wilson wants what the coach does not, then the coach has to go.

    Because our coach is almost 90 anyway and it isn't like he has many years left to build any kind of winning team without a QB.

    While a great QB can get another coach and keep winning.

    Not hard math. AT ALL.



    EDIT:
    Okay maybe if you can trade for Watson. But that isn't even close to likely.


    I’d take Watson as well. I think I’d want a pick or two as well.

    I agree with you. Keep Wilson...get rid of Pete. But, doesn’t it seem that the writing on the wall says that if the Hawks are forced to chose between PC and Russ, Pete’s staying?

    It’s frustrating. Infuriating to be honest. But, they have looked at shopping him before. Hell, I’m sure every team considers all potential trade scenarios. Even if they’re downright ludicrous.

    We’re seeing statements being made that haven’t been made before. We’re hearing about teams inquiring about a RW trade. Unprecedented....smoke...fire....I’m worried.

    Man...I’m on the edge of my seat here as I’m sure you all are as well. This could just be a lot of chatter but, it’s 100% drama for sure.

    I’d shed some tears...literally shed tears.

    I’m with you, guys!

    You keep Wilson over Carroll.

    This is and always have been a players league.

    The player, especially, the franchise QB, the best QB the franchise has ever had is more likely to succeed over the coach without the franchise QB.

    I’d like to see what Wilson can do without Carroll, than what Carroll can do without Wilson.
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  • Maelstrom787 wrote:
    Cyrus12 wrote:[tweet][/tweet]
    Maelstrom787 wrote:Marshall is also extremely off-base with his information about the offensive line. More of the tired, inaccurate "they don't invest in it" garbage. They traded for Brown, they drafted Pocic in round 2, Ifedi round 1, Britt round 2, Lewis round 3, and regularly sink mid-round picks into it too. They don't ignore it in the draft like he implies.

    they just cannot draft any good o linemen. Besides Brown who on that list is any good?


    1. The point I'm making is that saying the Seahawks don't invest in the position is wrong. They're not neglecting or ignoring it, which many people think is the case. It's a flawed argument.

    2. The Brown trade was amazing for a legitimately elite left tackle.

    3. Lewis is REALLY good, Pocic has been a net negative but is pretty average at center, Britt followed the same path as Pocic, Ifedi was not good but not bad by the end of his time here and played well for Chicago. I think they do draft talented guys, for the most part. They've just struggled at putting them at their best spots. With them moving Pocic to his natural spot and keeping Lewis at his natural spot, I'm encouraged that they've realized the error of their ways.

    4. They also signed Shell, who played at an above average level. Simmons and Jones are good backups.

    The offensive line did its job. They won pass blocks at a really impressive rate last year, and almost all of the ugly moments came after the ball was held for 3 seconds or backups were getting beat. The 2020 scheme asked a LOT of them. Their plates were overflowing.

    With that being said... I'd like to see them acquire a real stud. Linsley, Thuney, or Scherff. If only to keep Russell happy. If the OL looks better this year, I'm almost certain it'll be due to Waldron's scheme making their job a lot easier.



    As a reminder Wilson redid his contarct for Brown and said he was willing to again if need be.
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  • Flyingsquad23 wrote:
    FresnoHawk68 wrote:
    knownone wrote:I think people are misunderstanding the situation, Marshall included. Wilson is not trying to move on from Seattle. Seattle is and has been trying to move on from Wilson, and what we're seeing is damage control and a leverage play from both sides. Think about it, in 2018, Pete and John were close to trading Russ to Cleveland for the #1 pick, and something else, so they could take Josh Allen. In 2017, they were supposedly preparing to trade up for Mahomes if he fell into the mid teens. There is a reason Russ wanted a no trade clause.

    If this is a front office that believes they need Russ, they certainly have not acted like it. Their actions speak to a forced marriage. In other words, they want to move on, they just haven't found a deal that works for them. And Russ is too valuable to move on from without getting something worthwhile in return.

    Ultimately, I don't think they will move on from Russ this season. However, if anyone is capable of pulling out a jaw dropping trade it's JS. Whether that's a good thing for us as fans? Who knows. But you'd have to think that Pete and John would consider trading Russ to the Jet's for Quinnen Williams, the #2 pick, our first, and a host of other picks, and have one last run at building a team in their image before Pete retires.


    Wow I completely missed it too! All I saw was Baker never once thought it was Allen. I think your %100 right. The truth is I’m completely biased against Sierra, I don’t like her, I hate her friends, & since they got together I’ve wanted Russ out of Seattle.


    This take is why no one should take anything you’ve posted on the entire forum seriously. Makes me wonder...did Russ steal your bike when you where kids. You are sad


    No his wife hangs out with pedos!
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  • FresnoHawk68 wrote:
    Flyingsquad23 wrote:
    FresnoHawk68 wrote:
    knownone wrote:I think people are misunderstanding the situation, Marshall included. Wilson is not trying to move on from Seattle. Seattle is and has been trying to move on from Wilson, and what we're seeing is damage control and a leverage play from both sides. Think about it, in 2018, Pete and John were close to trading Russ to Cleveland for the #1 pick, and something else, so they could take Josh Allen. In 2017, they were supposedly preparing to trade up for Mahomes if he fell into the mid teens. There is a reason Russ wanted a no trade clause.

    If this is a front office that believes they need Russ, they certainly have not acted like it. Their actions speak to a forced marriage. In other words, they want to move on, they just haven't found a deal that works for them. And Russ is too valuable to move on from without getting something worthwhile in return.

    Ultimately, I don't think they will move on from Russ this season. However, if anyone is capable of pulling out a jaw dropping trade it's JS. Whether that's a good thing for us as fans? Who knows. But you'd have to think that Pete and John would consider trading Russ to the Jet's for Quinnen Williams, the #2 pick, our first, and a host of other picks, and have one last run at building a team in their image before Pete retires.


    Wow I completely missed it too! All I saw was Baker never once thought it was Allen. I think your %100 right. The truth is I’m completely biased against Sierra, I don’t like her, I hate her friends, & since they got together I’ve wanted Russ out of Seattle.


    This take is why no one should take anything you’ve posted on the entire forum seriously. Makes me wonder...did Russ steal your bike when you where kids. You are sad


    No his wife hangs out with pedos!


    Good to know that you won't be able to post objectively about football because of how you feel about the pop artist wife of a player.
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  • I was told by Q that Fresno was possibly a _____ so maybe he has first hand knowledge.
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  • FresnoHawk68 wrote:No way Pete over Russ any day! Russ choked!


    If this were to ever happen, you would quickly see the error in your ways. Russ is a top 5 QB in the league that guarantees this team 9 to 10 wins a season. Get rid of him and see how quick Pete and his shannanigans start netting the Hawks 4,5, to 6 wins per season.
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  • Cyrus12 wrote:[tweet][/tweet]
    Maelstrom787 wrote:Marshall is also extremely off-base with his information about the offensive line. More of the tired, inaccurate "they don't invest in it" garbage. They traded for Brown, they drafted Pocic in round 2, Ifedi round 1, Britt round 2, Lewis round 3, and regularly sink mid-round picks into it too. They don't ignore it in the draft like he implies.

    they just cannot draft any good o linemen. Besides Brown who on that list is any good?


    That is not the problem, many lineman here move to other teams and are successful, it's how they scheme.
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  • FresnoHawk68 wrote:
    Flyingsquad23 wrote:
    FresnoHawk68 wrote:The truth is I’m completely biased against Sierra, I don’t like her, I hate her friends, & since they got together I’ve wanted Russ out of Seattle.


    This take is why no one should take anything you’ve posted on the entire forum seriously. Makes me wonder...did Russ steal your bike when you where kids. You are sad


    No his wife hangs out with pedos!


    So you think the mother of 3 young children is cool with pedo? And that makes sense to you?
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  • Uh oh, it looks like one of them wandered off the hospital grounds again. Let's get you home, sweetie. No, I promise you they aren't recording your thoughts with the 5g.
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  • FresnoHawk68 wrote:
    Maelstrom787 wrote:
    FresnoHawk68 wrote:
    Flyingsquad23 wrote:
    This take is why no one should take anything you’ve posted on the entire forum seriously. Makes me wonder...did Russ steal your bike when you where kids. You are sad


    No his wife hangs out with pedos!


    Good to know that you won't be able to post objectively about football because of how you feel about the pop artist wife of a player.



    It’s not just his wife, it’s the Hollywood crowd! Spent many years there it’s terrible! The people are sick pups! For sure those peeps bring drama into Russ’s life, they will scam him out of his $$, and they will definitely break his heart. I know many athletes whose career went down shortly after hanging with that crowd. Specifically Sierra & Russ Management CAA they’re bad bad news! I turned white as a ghost when I found out Russ was connected to CAA.

    Your hatred for Conservatives is obvious assuming the worst in people you disagree with is the theme with about a half dozen on this site. Your so weak you can’t handle what you dish out & it gives you pleasure to pick on those who for whatever reason don’t fight back. Your assumption that those that won’t fight back are weak is misguided and your assumption your getting somewhere with me because I throw it right back in your face is also misguided. Almost everything I’ve stated on the site has a purpose & timing is everything. Keep it up your only making matters worse for yourself.


    This isn't the time nor the place. I don't care if you "fight back" or not. It's an internet message board, and this isn't the topic of the thread.
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