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  • During his career, he's been sacked 394 times! And that doesn't include Playoff Games! Admittedly, some of those are on him, but the majority are on the Seahawks inability to provide protection. No wonder he spends around a million dollars a year on keeping his mind and body fit!

    Look at what the Saints have done for Drew Brees over the years. That's our blueprint. It's going to cost, and sacrifices are going to have to be made, but at 32 years old, this is what Russell needs.

    This is my personal opinion, but I don't see his comments as being directed towards John Schneider, the Scouting Department, or the current starters on the Offensive Line. This an indictment of Pete's occasional propensity to ignore the importance of things like the Offensive Line.

    In the past he's invested in the OLine, but he didn't have the right people making the decisions. I don't think Pete has a handle on the Offensive Line, which is why he hired Tom Cable and gave him so much power. But, IMHO, he gave Cable way too much power, and we ended up wasting resources on players like James Carpenter, Mark Glowinski, and Luke Joekel. Then we trade away Max Unger for Jimmy Graham.

    This last year they wasted 7 million dollars on Greg Olsen. This may have been to placate Russell Wilson who asked for "Superstars" at the Pro Bowl. If so, I hope Russell learned from that.

    But I still think it's reasonable for Russ to want to be in on the prospective Offensive Line upgrades and decisions. Let him know who they are interested in, why they are interested in those players, and where they rank overall in team needs as well as available draft capital and cap room. Help him understand the process because as a fan, it has been lacking, and I think Russell feels the same way.

    Change the failed process. Damien Lewis was a great start. As was Shell. But stop drafting "versatile" players! Like Big Ray Roberts said, "Get a player with a Phd at Center, a Phd at Left Guard! Not someone that can "play all along the line."

    I don't believe that Russell should be allowed to make the final decision, but get his input, make him understand the where and why. Like sacrificing other players so that they could sign Greg Olsen. No More! No more Jimmy Grahams, no more of that nasty little kick returner that screwed us, no more players that we have to give a big contract to after we paid a king's ransom to get them here (except for Jamal Adams).

    Get a better return on your investments! Protect Russell better, and have plays that protect the Offensive Line from Elite Defensive Lines!

    Per Brock Huard, the Bills HC said that "The Rams offense was an Offenive Linemen's dream!" Why? Because it made their job easier. It protected them, and allowed them to protect Jared Goff! That's why!

    And I have every confidence that Waldron will give the OLine that kind of "protection."

    But before that happens, Pete needs to step in to the background, after he gives JS the okay. And JS, Shane Waldron, and Russell Wilson need to go over how they can best protect Russell, by protecting their Offensive Linemen. Please! No more Iupatis! What. A. Waste!

    Russell's doing the right thing here. He could sit back and "hope" that Pete doesn't "Blow off the Offensive Line" by signing a lot of scrubs and hoping for the best. Or by overriding the draft board to get his defensive guys.

    No more Pete! No more letting Fletcher Cox go to the Eagles so that you can get Bruce Irvin and an extra draft pick!

    Let's get some quality pocket protectors that will give Russell more time to throw, and a scheme that will protect everyone from Aaron Donald!
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  • I think that when you are taking such a huge portion of the cap you should stfu about priorities.
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  • OK..so..say you want top notch pass blocking guards instead of road graders, the run blocking guards that we get cheap because of how the NFL is.

    So..you spend 7 million each for the 2 guards. About 4.5 million each more than what theyve done.

    Youre at 9 million dollars more. So, what 9 million dollars worth of players do you get rid of from the team? And were there guards available?

    Olson is an obvious target, but Wilson wanted more talent around him and any start that makes it to free agency most likely involves some warts.

    I feel like the last 2 years in particular effort has been made to shore up the line..and this past season, frankly, Seahawks were ranked 10th in pass protection. From the Giants game on Russ doubted what he was seeing and held the ball a LOT. Hes been hit a lot..but he shoulders some blame for that, as does his own particular style..

    Its a pretty nuanced topic to my mind.. especially with set draft picks and a salary cap.. its all about opportunity cost. Personally, i thought going after the type of linemen other teams didnt want or werent valued by the league was a pretty good Moneyball idea and helped them.

    without some interesting moves, this upcoming draft presents limited chances for the Seahawks to draft top linemen..so..who do you want to trade away for picks or players..and will we come out ahead? finally..is that best for the team or for Russ's stat line which it seems he does think about now more than he used to.
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  • ivotuk wrote:Change the failed process. Damien Lewis was a great start. As was Shell. But stop drafting "versatile" players! Like Big Ray Roberts said, "Get a player with a Phd at Center, a Phd at Left Guard! Not someone that can "play all along the line."


    Bingo. Enough with this "Jack of all trades master of none" BS when it comes to the OL. Get players who are excellent at their one position, period!
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  • Hey Russell have nothing but mad respect for you up to this point! You need to keep your thoughts to yourself, and take a note out of Brady's book! Maybe take a lil less so the team can afford better & younger line talent. You really need $35 mil a year? Don't expect any of us fans to feel sorry for you? Be a team player and take a lil less, and maybe you wouldn't have to run like you stole something every play? Don't be the problem Russ, be the solution!
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  • Why does he need to keep his thoughts to himself??? He has a legit gripe. Just look at the ranking of the crap o line's that have been put in front of him. Be a team player? He's been the ultimate team player his entire career. This isn't the first time a QB has made his thoughts known.
    Manning literally called out his o line in a post game presser (something Russ has never come close to doing after a game) and people didn't seem to care at all. In fact, people thought it was funny.

    Funny how the double standards never end. This is literally the first time in his career he has called anyone out, IF that's what he did. 9 years it took for him to speak up. I wish he would have sooner.
    Why is everyone so bent out of a shape about this? All he said was that he needs better protection. So what???? He absolutely does and is justified in making it known.
    And why should I care what Brady has done? His wife is worth half a billion. Feel sorry for him? He just wants a better damn o line. Well, so do the fans.
    People have been calling him boring, a robot, a yes man etc. his entire career. He finally speaks up almost a decade in to his career, and people act like he's some locker room cancer. For what? Bringing up something that everyone knows is a real issue :?
    Meanwhile, Rodgers was plenty pissed off about who the team picked in the draft (also justified imo)
    Watson is DEMANDING a trade.
    Anyway, I've said my peace. Free Agency can't get here soon enough :mrgreen:
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  • 12forlife wrote:Hey Russell have nothing but mad respect for you up to this point! You need to keep your thoughts to yourself, and take a note out of Brady's book! Maybe take a lil less so the team can afford better & younger line talent. You really need $35 mil a year? Don't expect any of us fans to feel sorry for you? Be a team player and take a lil less, and maybe you wouldn't have to run like you stole something every play? Don't be the problem Russ, be the solution!



    Okay first WIlson has redone his contract every time they asked 7 and counting

    2nd so if I understand Brady gets to talk and say what he wants but Wilson can't., Hmm I wonder why?

    #3rd you do know when he signed this deal there was talk of 40 mil right? I mean he took less than what he could have ha dmore.

    4th he would still have this problem, this problem existed when he was on his Rookie contract.

    5th this problem existed when he was on his 2nd contact, so Why should he take less when they had the chance, and he was making way less they still did not address the issue.

    The reality is this team has had 8 years with Wilson to fix the oline issues, and they have not.
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  • SoulfishHawk wrote:Why does he need to keep his thoughts to himself??? He has a legit gripe. Just look at the ranking of the crap o line's that have been put in front of him. Be a team player? He's been the ultimate team player his entire career. This isn't the first time a QB has made his thoughts known.
    Manning literally called out his o line in a post game presser (something Russ has never come close to doing after a game) and people didn't seem to care at all. In fact, people thought it was funny.

    Funny how the double standards never end. This is literally the first time in his career he has called anyone out, IF that's what he did. 9 years it took for him to speak up. I wish he would have sooner.
    Why is everyone so bent out of a shape about this? All he said was that he needs better protection. So what???? He absolutely does and is justified in making it known.
    And why should I care what Brady has done? His wife is worth half a billion. Feel sorry for him? He just wants a better damn o line. Well, so do the fans.
    People have been calling him boring, a robot, a yes man etc. his entire career. He finally speaks up almost a decade in to his career, and people act like he's some locker room cancer. For what? Bringing up something that everyone knows is a real issue :?
    Meanwhile, Rodgers was plenty pissed off about who the team picked in the draft (also justified imo)
    Watson is DEMANDING a trade.
    Anyway, I've said my peace. Free Agency can't get here soon enough :mrgreen:



    Do you really need to know why some want him to keep his mouth shut while other QBs Brady, Brees, Rodgers, and others can say what they want? It is obvious. And of course if he keeps his mouth shut then they get pisse dhe is nto saying anything.
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  • This is just an angle RW is using to move on. The Seahawks have tried to bring in FA offensive linemen and picks with little success.

    RW has gotten soft. And he’s become a pain in the ass and detrimental to building a good team.
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  • Russ has a legit gripe, but Pete is stuck between a rock and a hard place. If you spend the $$$ on quality O-linemen, then you have to cut spending elsewhere. Since 2015, Pete has decided the O-line was a lesser priority, in part b/c of Russ's mobility. But at age 32, and with an awareness that a QB can only take so many hits before one puts him out for the season, I think Pete and John need to re-assess and spend the money to protect him -- and to give him time to make plays.

    Russ is a HOF QB, still in his prime, and these guys just don't grow on trees. Anyone who thinks we should let Russ move on is badly misperceiving the situation. He had a few sub-par games in the 2nd half of the season, but part of this was due to having all of our RBs out injured. He's carried the team on his back for a long time. Now Pete needs to fix this. Russ has evolved into a very good pocket QB (who can run when needed). But because the protection keeps collapsing, Russ probably did lose the confidence that he'd have enough time in the pocket, and he ended up making some bad throws.

    Bottom line is I think we need to get Russ what he feels he needs. He can't do it all himself. If that means not going after a top edge rusher or a shutdown corner in free agency, then so be it. Russ has proved he can win shootouts. That may be what the future holds here, even though that puts Pete outside of his run-first and tough D comfort zone. I love Pete, but if it comes down to Pete's way or Russ's way, we have to choose Russ.
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  • HawkNuts wrote:This is just an angle RW is using to move on. The Seahawks have tried to bring in FA offensive linemen and picks with little success.

    RW has gotten soft. And he’s become a pain in the ass and detrimental to building a good team.


    So in your mind because they have tried to bring in O lineman and they have failed Wilson is the bad guy. LOL

    Soft.. remind me how many games has he missed? Oh yeah NONE

    Pain in the ass ahh your one that thinks he should be quite. Hmm would you feel the same way if it was Hass, Or Bress, OR Rodgers. I am guessing not. I wonder why? hmmm
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  • Yeah, Russ is soft. That may be one of the funniest things I've ever heard.
    Time to move on from this subject, this is useless.
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  • SoulfishHawk wrote:Yeah, Russ is soft. That may be one of the funniest things I've ever heard.
    Time to move on from this subject, this is useless.
    Go Hawks


    Yes in my mind compared to the guy he was he’s gone soft as his bank account has grown.

    He’s no Jeff George but he’s not the same guy. You can be durable and still be soft.

    I think RW wants out of Seattle and I’d like to get something for him rather than see him walk in FA. RW is a business man. Too much of one for my liking.

    But this is why this forum is not much good anymore. People overreact to someone else’s opinion. He’s a great QB but I’ve grown tired of him. I’d rather build the defense and the running game.
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  • Seattle Seahawks quarterback Russell Wilson has made plenty of headlines this week after he’s come out and complained about getting hit too much. In case you missed it, Wilson said that he’s grown frustrated over how often he’s getting hit and sacked.

    In other words, he indirectly called out the play of Seattle’s offensive line. At the same time, Wilson also said he needs to play better in order for the pressure to reduce too. Regardless, Hall-of-Fame offensive tackle Walter Jones has responded to Wilson’s latest comments, and the Seattle hero isn’t pleased at all.



    Walter Jones let Russell Wilson know how he feels about the quarterback calling out his offensive line
    Jones didn’t mince words, as he told Seattle radio host Dave “Softy” Mahler that it would have been best for Wilson to talk with his teammates inside the locker room about his issues instead of talking poorly about their play for the entire world to see.

    https://fansided.com/2021/02/09/seahawk ... -comments/
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  • ESPN posted a stat that Wilson has been sacked more than any other QB since 1970 in the same time span. No, the OL has not been good.
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  • Someone here says this is ploy to force a move on situation from the team. I frankly don't think so. However, I do think that his contract is one the team wants to redo or massage and this could be RW saying he wants a say in how the $ are spent i.e.: improving his OLine.
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  • I feel like this front office has actually invested a lot in the OL during Russ' time. It's mostly that they just suck at it.
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  • HawkNuts wrote:This is just an angle RW is using to move on. The Seahawks have tried to bring in FA offensive linemen and picks with little success.

    RW has gotten soft. And he’s become a pain in the ass and detrimental to building a good team.


    Woops somebody's whagatooshe is sucking wind ^ :roll:
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  • KitsapGuy wrote:Seattle Seahawks quarterback Russell Wilson has made plenty of headlines this week after he’s come out and complained about getting hit too much. In case you missed it, Wilson said that he’s grown frustrated over how often he’s getting hit and sacked.

    In other words, he indirectly called out the play of Seattle’s offensive line. At the same time, Wilson also said he needs to play better in order for the pressure to reduce too. Regardless, Hall-of-Fame offensive tackle Walter Jones has responded to Wilson’s latest comments, and the Seattle hero isn’t pleased at all.



    Walter Jones let Russell Wilson know how he feels about the quarterback calling out his offensive line
    Jones didn’t mince words, as he told Seattle radio host Dave “Softy” Mahler that it would have been best for Wilson to talk with his teammates inside the locker room about his issues instead of talking poorly about their play for the entire world to see.

    https://fansided.com/2021/02/09/seahawk ... -comments/

    Seems strange that players would take offence to him saying "we have to get better up front" when it comes to pass protection. Don't the players already know they have to get better in pass protection? Seems obvious.

    And he rightfully excluded Duane Brown after he made that comment.
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  • Good, Wilson needs to speak up. Yes, scheme and Russell Wilson's tendencies account for a large number of sacks, but even accounting that, Russell Wilson was the third most pressured QB last season. Pete Carroll has struggled to field a competent offensive line since he's gotten here. Our best season at O-Line was in 2013, even then it was kind of iffy.

    Here in Seattle we've given Wilson a raw deal. Pete relies on him to pull out 4th quarter magic, but handcuffs Wilson severely. He doesn't have the same agency or trust that other top QB's have from his head coach, and that is a major problem. We're in year 9 and Wilson is still being treated like a rookie QB in many regards. It is absolutely unacceptable, especially when you're paying the guy as much as you are.

    In addition to that our choices on the line are questionable. This offseason we had some shots at legitimate pro-bowl level talent in guys such as Jack Conklin. Instead we went out and spent money on a bunch of nobodies and washed up TE's. We also had guys such as Graham Glasgow, and Larry Warford available on the interior. Graham Glasgow would have solidified our LG, or center position. We could've had a decent line with Brown, Glasgow, Procic, Lewis, and Shell, or Brown, Larry Warford, Procic, Lewis and Jack Conklin. My god, that right side of the line would have completely mauled even the best of D-Lines in the run game.

    Our personal decisions on offensive line have always been questionable to say the least. Pete wants to run the ball, but we're not doing ourselves any favor in the trenches for running the ball, or protecting Wilson.
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  • Seahawks won a SB because of a great defence and run game. Not Russell Wilson.

    He got paid, well done to him.
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  • Whatwhat wrote:Seahawks won a SB because of a great defence and run game. Not Russell Wilson.

    He got paid, well done to him.



    Lol yeah we could have won.that SB with any qb....NOT. amazes me how people forget he was the 2nd leading rusher on that team, and the highest rushing qb of that year. Or that he had 5 4th qtr comebacks making incredible plays to get those wins. We dont win those 5 games we don't even make the playoffs. So factually yes Wilson was responsible for getting to and winning the SB. As responsible as anyone else on the team.
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  • Whatwhat wrote:Seahawks won a SB because of a great defence and run game. Not Russell Wilson.

    He got paid, well done to him.


    The team continues to win and be competitive for the most part because of Wilson, so whats your point?

    Best QB the franchise has ever had and people are crapping on him. Crazy.
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  • For the first time after our last SB, I am finally respecting Russ for standing up to Pete's dumbass BS that he keeps feeding year in and year out. I wish Russ had put his foot down sooner and took control of this offense.
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  • Where will the Hawks come up with gr8 OL personnel anyway ? They only have 4 draft picks and none in the 1st or 3rd rounds . Any quality FA linemen will come with high price tags that the Hawks probably can't afford anyway . I predict 40 plus sacks of Wilson next season providing he stays .
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  • In my opinion, its a simple calculus; if they hope to retain Wilson, and expect him to be a 40+ TD kind of QB, they will have to finally invest in the OL, most likely in FA, with proven commodities. Who knows, with all the cuts expected to happen this year because of the reduced cap, maybe you get a decent 2nd tier of Quality NFL OL starter that is on the wrong side of 30, but still has lots of gas left in the tank. Heck, maybe you luck into two, but its going to cost you more this team has historically been willing to commit.

    That also means you cut at other levels, including the defense. I don't see both Wagner and Wright being back next year, especially if they end up paying Jamal Adams. Frankly, this front office has done much better with drafting and finding Defensive talent on the waver wire, then it ever has bringing in O-Linemen. If Wilson is a 40+ TD QB, and we can establish a consistent, multi-player running attack, then you only need a middle of the road defense to win those shootouts.
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  • UK_Seahawk wrote:I think that when you are taking such a huge portion of the cap you should stfu about priorities.


    What is up with this argument. Dude takes up 16% of the cap, not 75% or something. That still leaves like $170m to spend on other players. This isn't the NBA where signing the wrong player to a bad contract screws you for years.

    This is a lazy excuse for the team's inability to prioritize the rest of the salary cap on the right position groups and their inability to draft the right players. It's not like we're drafting these studs and then losing them in free agency because Russ's massive contract eats up the entire cap; we've held onto all the good players that were worth holding on to, there just haven't been as many of those players in recent years.

    And likewise, Olsen's 7m contract that Russ lobbied for and makes up some 4% of the cap is not what makes or breaks your year.
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  • /endthread

    Since winning the Superbowl the Seahawks rank 32nd in OL spending. And are the only team to not give a drafted O-Lineman a 2nd contract. Pete, John, & Management have failed in this area. It's irrefutable.

    I surmise Wilson has complained about this behind the scenes for years, but it has fallen on def ears. So he decided to take it public to get results.
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  • Yeah, if we end up spending $20m on each of a friggin safety whose weakness is coverage or an aging LB whose replacement we drafted with a 1st round pick last year but continue to look for OL in the dvd bin at WalMart where you get 6 had horror movies on one disc, this front office's priorities are just broken. We'll continue to get eaten by teams who easily destroy us in the trenches.
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  • Of course he does, I and others here have been saying it for years. All these never-was never-gonna-be types here poopoo it with ridiculous extrapolated stats and and other BS. How much more obvious could it be? It has to be our #1 priority - no half-measures.

    Here's a new article on it:

    "Seattle Seahawks Need to Listen to Russell Wilson, Build Around Star QB in 2021"

    https://bleacherreport.com/articles/293 ... =editorial
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  • John63 wrote:
    12forlife wrote:Hey Russell have nothing but mad respect for you up to this point! You need to keep your thoughts to yourself, and take a note out of Brady's book! Maybe take a lil less so the team can afford better & younger line talent. You really need $35 mil a year? Don't expect any of us fans to feel sorry for you? Be a team player and take a lil less, and maybe you wouldn't have to run like you stole something every play? Don't be the problem Russ, be the solution!



    Okay first WIlson has redone his contract every time they asked 7 and counting

    2nd so if I understand Brady gets to talk and say what he wants but Wilson can't., Hmm I wonder why?

    #3rd you do know when he signed this deal there was talk of 40 mil right? I mean he took less than what he could have ha dmore.

    4th he would still have this problem, this problem existed when he was on his Rookie contract.

    5th this problem existed when he was on his 2nd contact, so Why should he take less when they had the chance, and he was making way less they still did not address the issue.

    The reality is this team has had 8 years with Wilson to fix the oline issues, and they have not.


    1-Russell has never taken less money so restructuring his contract has only been a good thing

    2-Tom Brady has 6 rings

    3-Highest paid player when he signed his contract

    4-How many SB did he play in on his rookie contract?

    5-Becacue How many SB did he play in on his rookie deal

    The reality is you could play next year for 25 million instead of 32 million like Brady and have yourself 7 million more to spend on your center or guard.

    I probably wouldn't take less if i'm Russell but let's not act like he's some saint that took less money.

    Fixing the OL would be easy if your willing to part with guys like Bobby, maybe trade Lockett or DK.
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  • getnasty wrote:
    John63 wrote:
    12forlife wrote:Hey Russell have nothing but mad respect for you up to this point! You need to keep your thoughts to yourself, and take a note out of Brady's book! Maybe take a lil less so the team can afford better & younger line talent. You really need $35 mil a year? Don't expect any of us fans to feel sorry for you? Be a team player and take a lil less, and maybe you wouldn't have to run like you stole something every play? Don't be the problem Russ, be the solution!



    Okay first WIlson has redone his contract every time they asked 7 and counting

    2nd so if I understand Brady gets to talk and say what he wants but Wilson can't., Hmm I wonder why?

    #3rd you do know when he signed this deal there was talk of 40 mil right? I mean he took less than what he could have ha dmore.

    4th he would still have this problem, this problem existed when he was on his Rookie contract.

    5th this problem existed when he was on his 2nd contact, so Why should he take less when they had the chance, and he was making way less they still did not address the issue.

    The reality is this team has had 8 years with Wilson to fix the oline issues, and they have not.


    1-Russell has never taken less money so restructuring his contract has only been a good thing

    2-Tom Brady has 6 rings

    3-Highest paid player when he signed his contract

    4-How many SB did he play in on his rookie contract?

    5-Becacue How many SB did he play in on his rookie deal

    The reality is you could play next year for 25 million instead of 32 million like Brady and have yourself 7 million more to spend on your center or guard.

    I probably wouldn't take less if i'm Russell but let's not act like he's some saint that took less money.

    Fixing the OL would be easy if your willing to part with guys like Bobby, maybe trade Lockett or DK.[/quote]

    They had $60M to spend last off-season. It's not a money problem. It's a priority problem.

    32nd in OL spending since 2014. Year after year, Pete chooses to neglect this area of the football team. Going with stopgaps, guys off of the scrapheap, and mid-late round draft picks.

    They'd rather trade a boatload of picks for a box safety, and pay him, and sign a bunch of JAGs, than build an avg- to above avg O-Line. This pattern has been going on for YEARS.

    How come the Packers, don't have to get rid of their star players to maintain their O-Line?

    The Steelers? The Rams? The Saints? Etc.

    The number 1 problem, is making it an emphasis, and prioritizing it.

    The fanbase has been sick of it, and now Wilson is too. Good for him.
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  • Fade wrote:
    getnasty wrote:
    John63 wrote:
    12forlife wrote:Hey Russell have nothing but mad respect for you up to this point! You need to keep your thoughts to yourself, and take a note out of Brady's book! Maybe take a lil less so the team can afford better & younger line talent. You really need $35 mil a year? Don't expect any of us fans to feel sorry for you? Be a team player and take a lil less, and maybe you wouldn't have to run like you stole something every play? Don't be the problem Russ, be the solution!



    Okay first WIlson has redone his contract every time they asked 7 and counting

    2nd so if I understand Brady gets to talk and say what he wants but Wilson can't., Hmm I wonder why?

    #3rd you do know when he signed this deal there was talk of 40 mil right? I mean he took less than what he could have ha dmore.

    4th he would still have this problem, this problem existed when he was on his Rookie contract.

    5th this problem existed when he was on his 2nd contact, so Why should he take less when they had the chance, and he was making way less they still did not address the issue.

    The reality is this team has had 8 years with Wilson to fix the oline issues, and they have not.


    1-Russell has never taken less money so restructuring his contract has only been a good thing

    2-Tom Brady has 6 rings

    3-Highest paid player when he signed his contract

    4-How many SB did he play in on his rookie contract?

    5-Becacue How many SB did he play in on his rookie deal

    The reality is you could play next year for 25 million instead of 32 million like Brady and have yourself 7 million more to spend on your center or guard.

    I probably wouldn't take less if i'm Russell but let's not act like he's some saint that took less money.

    Fixing the OL would be easy if your willing to part with guys like Bobby, maybe trade Lockett or DK.


    They had $60M to spend last off-season. It's not a money problem. It's a priority problem.

    32nd in OL spending since 2014. Year after year, Pete chooses to neglect this area of the football team. Going with stopgaps, guys off of the scrapheap, and mid-late round draft picks.

    They'd rather trade a boatload of picks for a box safety, and pay him, and sign a bunch of JAGs, than build an avg- to above avg O-Line. This pattern has been going on for YEARS.

    How come the Packers, don't have to get rid of their star players to maintain their O-Line?

    The Steelers? The Rams? The Saints? Etc.

    The number 1 problem, is making it an emphasis, and prioritizing it.

    The fanbase has been sick of it, and now Wilson is too. Good for him.[/quote]
    I've always been surprised by Carroll's neglect of the offensive line. A good offensive line plays into exactly what Carroll wants. He said that he wanted to "get back to 90s football" on offense. Well, how do you suppose we do that? You do it through having strong trenches. You want those huge chunk plays? Offensive line, you want to pound the ball relentlessly and still move the ball? Offensive line. We've had several chances at blue chip o-lineman in free agency, and we've passed on some VERY good lineman such as Ramczyk in the draft. Our drafting and free agent signings here have been extremely suspect under Carroll at O-Line.
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  • Spin Doctor wrote:
    Fade wrote:
    getnasty wrote:
    John63 wrote:

    Okay first WIlson has redone his contract every time they asked 7 and counting

    2nd so if I understand Brady gets to talk and say what he wants but Wilson can't., Hmm I wonder why?

    #3rd you do know when he signed this deal there was talk of 40 mil right? I mean he took less than what he could have ha dmore.

    4th he would still have this problem, this problem existed when he was on his Rookie contract.

    5th this problem existed when he was on his 2nd contact, so Why should he take less when they had the chance, and he was making way less they still did not address the issue.

    The reality is this team has had 8 years with Wilson to fix the oline issues, and they have not.


    1-Russell has never taken less money so restructuring his contract has only been a good thing

    2-Tom Brady has 6 rings

    3-Highest paid player when he signed his contract

    4-How many SB did he play in on his rookie contract?

    5-Becacue How many SB did he play in on his rookie deal

    The reality is you could play next year for 25 million instead of 32 million like Brady and have yourself 7 million more to spend on your center or guard.

    I probably wouldn't take less if i'm Russell but let's not act like he's some saint that took less money.

    Fixing the OL would be easy if your willing to part with guys like Bobby, maybe trade Lockett or DK.


    They had $60M to spend last off-season. It's not a money problem. It's a priority problem.

    32nd in OL spending since 2014. Year after year, Pete chooses to neglect this area of the football team. Going with stopgaps, guys off of the scrapheap, and mid-late round draft picks.

    They'd rather trade a boatload of picks for a box safety, and pay him, and sign a bunch of JAGs, than build an avg- to above avg O-Line. This pattern has been going on for YEARS.

    How come the Packers, don't have to get rid of their star players to maintain their O-Line?

    The Steelers? The Rams? The Saints? Etc.

    The number 1 problem, is making it an emphasis, and prioritizing it.

    The fanbase has been sick of it, and now Wilson is too. Good for him.

    I've always been surprised by Carroll's neglect of the offensive line. A good offensive line plays into exactly what Carroll wants. He said that he wanted to "get back to 90s football" on offense. Well, how do you suppose we do that? You do it through having strong trenches. You want those huge chunk plays? Offensive line, you want to pound the ball relentlessly and still move the ball? Offensive line. We've had several chances at blue chip o-lineman in free agency, and we've passed on some VERY good lineman such as Ramczyk in the draft. Our drafting and free agent signings here have been extremely suspect under Carroll at O-Line.[/quote]

    The packers have done a better job of drafting and developing their offensive line. The Seahawks have tried to do this without success.
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  • Every year its the Offensive line or Cord. Russ seemed to play ok behind that same line early in the year when he was in the MVP race. Then came the 2-deep safety look. Russ looked like $h!t from that point on. Keep making excuses for Russ. Fact is he simply can see over the Line. Has to move to make his reads. Teams have figured out a formula. He looks washed now.
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  • RCATES wrote:Every year its the Offensive line or Cord. Russ seemed to play ok behind that same line early in the year when he was in the MVP race. Then came the 2-deep safety look. Russ looked like $h!t from that point on. Keep making excuses for Russ. Fact is he simply can see over the Line. Has to move to make his reads. Teams have figured out a formula. He looks washed now.
    And when he was in the MVP race he was living off of deep shots where the OL held up for a long time.

    Cable OLs often gave Russ no chance but the line hasn’t been like that since cable was fired.

    I’m not against spending more on OL, far from it, but it won’t make Russ see the short middle. What it might do, however, is make the running game that more effective when teams are showing 2 deep and our only chance is to run the ball. I’d be totally fine with that approach.
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