hawk45 wrote:I would think the way the season turned out would be a strong vindication of Pete’s approach.
Once teams took away the deep shots and played zone underneath his OC adjusted to scheme short routes that his QB couldn’t execute, instead of ramping up the rushing attempts (admittedly with Carson dinged up rushing wasn’t as attractive). I think Pete sat down with schotty and said okay let’s agree on one thing, our passing offense must have more balance or it cannot operate. If schotty voiced an opinion that we could pads our way out of it, that would have been the deal breaker that led to the firing.
Watching Tampa bays offense not have to carry the day because of good defense and excellent rushing would, I’m sure, do nothing to dissuade Pete either. I still am trying to figure out why KC didn’t run the ball early before they were behind when they knew the edges were compromised.
I think Pete can be blamed for not valuing OL highly enough given the limitations of the QB throwing short and Pete’s own preference to want to run the ball, but I’m not seeing this year as disproving his approach. He needs to get the D and run game back.
But we didn't do that. The Seahawks still had the primary reads be deep shots, and we still ran quite a bit of 7 step drops. We still were running the same offense, the issue is that we did NOT adjust. We also ran a lot of long developing drag routes. This style of offense existed in Seattle long before Brian Schottenheimer. What Bevell, and Bates did looked very similar.
Carroll believed the way to beat two deep safeties was a strong running game. That is true, but we had a lot of injuries to our running backs this season, as well as our offensive line. We've been unable to field a healthy running back stable. Carroll also ignored another obvious fact about tampa 2 defenses. The TE up the seam, and quick short passes underneath also kill that defense. Despite that we kept trying to force the ball downfield, just like the Chiefs did against the Buccaneers. This is the problem with Pete Carroll.
Pete Carroll is a coach that doesn't believe in strategy on offense. His idea is you line up, and if you're better you will beat them. We don't disguise what we do, we don't vary our snap tempo, we just line up and say "this is what we're going to do, try stopping us". This is an extremely problematic way to approach football. He also tends to view the offensive success more in terms of limiting turnovers above all else. That is a great approach if you have a top 5 defense in the NFL, but since 2017 we've ranked in the bottom 1/3rd in defense, and we've been inconsistent in our ability to run the ball. What we do have is an excellent QB with good weapons in DK Metcalf and Tyler Locket.
Carroll's problem is he has an extremely myopic, and narrow lense that he views the offense from. We've had offensive success, but when we do, it's always inevitable that he pulls back and defaults to what we saw in the last half of the year. He is acting like he has a top defensive unit, and top run game when we clearly do not. Carroll's ideal offense is something like the 90s, but that time does not exist any longer. Smash mouth football can still be effective, but most teams don't do it like they did back in the day.
I don't even mind if Carroll wants to run 50 percent of the time, but the way he's going about it is dumbfounding. He wants to run the ball more but cheaps out on offensive lineman. If you want a strong running game, that needs to be a priority. Instead of hiring chumps, imagine if we signed Graham Glasgow? He would have taken care of our left side, or center position. Imagine, Duane Brown, Glasgow, Procic, Lewis, and Shell? That line would have been much better.
Chris mentioned this before but the way our offense is structured also puts our running backs in harm's way, more so than most teams, and leaves them exposed.
Wilson is completely right here, Carroll needs to both fundamentally change a few key elements in his philosophy. Until he does that our QB is going to keep getting killed, and we're going to need to keep relying on him for late game heroics. Carroll needs to step back, and stop meddling with the offense and he needs to invest in linemen. If he does that he can have both a robust running game, and robust passing game, and healthier running backs. Let Waldon do his Sean McVay impersonation, and sit back and focus on your defense, the area where Carroll is an expert.