Pete Carroll's shiestyness goes WAY back

https://youtu.be/y_ViiXywjko

Taylor Mays said he trusted Carroll, why didn't Carroll teach him the things Mays needed to know mentally to succeed? why focus so much on the physical? good insight, the more i investigate the more SUSPECT things i find about this "great coach who made russell wilson".

Your post contains zero information or original thought. Care to expand?

Because he told Mays to stay at USC another year?

This is a non story. Truth is, Mays was an overblown bust waiting to happen in the NFL. He way underperformed his senior year and fell in the draft.

He also told Mark Sanchez to stay another year...

At some point, you have to be accountable for yourself. You cant ask someone for their advice on a subject that involves you actually holding up your end of the deal, and then get mad at them if the advice they gave (or implied promises made) , doesn't hold true... because you didnt perform near the level you needed to.

So Pete is sheisty because he left a former player hanging?

What would he have been if he'd gone on and taken Mays instead of ET3 and Mays flamed out in Seahawks Blue? Everyone would have been calling for the gallows, accusing him of being blindly loyal to his players and putting those relationships above the performance of the team.

Doesnt have to be that Pete was being all self serving in his advice to Taylor. Could also be that he saw the same massive shortcomings in his game that became obvious once he hit the NFL and thought the dude could use an extra year. It would be different if he was even marginal as an NFL player. He just couldnt play at all at this level.

If you want to can Pete for not letting the kid cash in and then flame out afterwards by going a year earlier in the top half of the first round, fine. But Pete doesnt strike me as the kind of dude who would look at that situation and say - hey, you really arent that great, but everybody thinks you are, so go head while you have them fooled and make that top 10 draft pick money.

So once again Pete is the devil? Pure historical reconstructive nonsense. Pete told Mays to stay in school, the humanity.

Taylor Mays was undoubtedly an exceptional athlete, but he was not a good pro DB, he had size, speed to burn, comparative strength and agility, The whole world thought the Seahawks would draft him, yet they chose ET. Pete knew what Mays really was. He truly had zero instincts and not much in the way of ball skills. Mays like lots of other Uber athletes burned bright in college where they could get by on pure athleticism but when they face professional competition the lights burned out. When he failed to be drafted in the 1st round the whining started about Pete and instead of improving his game continuously complained that his failure was someone else’s fault. It still goes on. BOO HOO!

The rumbles about Mays were he was a prima donna and chaffed at listening to coaches. He not Pete contrived to get himself out of the NFL quickly. For all his athleticism Mays play as a pro was a huge disappointment. I’m sure he still complains about Pete who put him in a position to be like Earl Thomas except he simply did have the instincts to play pro football unlike Thomas.

This goes in the ‘Whatever’ column.

If anything, this video-retelling of the familiar Taylor Mays story just makes Mays seem like he was a childish guy at the time. He ended up being ass in the NFL, so it seems like things worked themselves out quite well and Pete was right NOT to draft him. Mays rightfully fell in the draft, and got traded for a 7th round pick a year later, never becoming a good safety.

Just another bad-faith post meant to push a narrative.

jammerhawk":yjkrflkp said:

So once again Pete is the devil? Pure historical reconstructive nonsense.

Taylor Mays was undoubtedly an exceptional athlete, but he was not a good pro DB, he had size, speed to burn, comparative strength and agility, The whole world thought the Seahawks would draft him, yet they chose ET. Pete knew what Mays really was. He truly had zero instincts and not much in the way of ball skills. Mays like lots of other Uber athletes burned bright in college where they could get by on pure athleticism but when they face professional competition the lights burned out. When he failed to be drafted in the 1st round the whining started about Pete and instead of improving his game continuously complained that his failure was someone else’s fault. It still goes on. BOO HOO!

The rumbles about Mays were he was a prima donna and chaffed at listening to coaches. He not Pete contrived to get himself out of the NFL quickly. For all his athleticism Mays play as a pro was a huge disappointment. I’m sure he still complains about Pete who put him in a position to be like Earl Thomas except he simply did have the instincts to play pro football unlike Thomas.

This goes in the ‘Whatever’ column.

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^^^ This.

Agree with pretty much everything. You're drafted where you're supposed to be drafted. Mays might have had a little bad luck with the team that drafted him, but in the end, he was more of an athlete than a football player, and his failure to launch in the NFL had nothing to do with Pete.

1. Pete is screwing Wilson

2. Pete screwed Norm Chow

3. Pete screwed Taylor Mays (pick a name)

4. Pete is old fashioned with his ideas and won't ever change

5. Pete is old and slow

6. Pete can't coach anymore

7. Pete has too much control

8.etc.

9. etc.

10. etc.

So on and so forth, different day, more negative BS that is not factually supported, or for that matter results supported . Yada, yada, yada. This nonsense has lately changed the board to seahawks.negative

This stuff is being pushed by haters agendas. It has become tiresome.

All this rubbish should be in one thread: I hate Pete for this reason, these reasons, those reasons, Fire Pete!

Of course that won't happen but it now comprises the majority of what used to be intelligent football conversations.


Just sayin'

jammerhawk":36wnehws said:

1. Pete is screwing Wilson

2. Pete screwed Norm Chow

3. Pete screwed Taylor Mays (pick a name)

4. Pete is old fashioned with his ideas and won't ever change

5. Pete is old and slow

6. Pete can't coach anymore

7. Pete has too much control

8.etc.

9. etc.

10. etc.

So on and so forth, different day, more negative BS that is not factually supported, or for that matter results supported . Yada, yada, yada. This nonsense has lately changed the board to seahawks.negative

This stuff is being pushed by haters agendas. It has become tiresome.

All this rubbish should be in one thread: I hate Pete for this reason, these reasons, those reasons, Fire Pete!

Of course that won't happen but it now comprises the majority of what used to be intelligent football conversations.


Just sayin'

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Dont totaly disagre but some of it is supported and how is this any different than Wilson. There is a group on here that hate Wilson adn blame him for everytihng and even wish we never drafted him.

Needless to say those who are slagging Wilson fail to understand just how good he truly is and how much the team would be screwed if he left or was traded for some magic beans. Those threads are seemingly also part of this negativity that has become pervasive here.

This offseason has been dominated by an anti Pete and trade RW agenda of this who don't appreciate just how good we have as fans of the Seahawks.

There is plenty of valid, thoughtful criticism of Carroll.

This is neither of those things.

Unfortunately that thoughtful cynicism turns into nonsense like this thread.

That is Carroll's job as an HC at college. I personally don't like Carroll as an HC, but this criticism is ridiculous. There are plenty of things you can harp on him for, this isn't one of them.

So he told players to stay in school, that weren’t really that good, and it was proven in the NFL? What a bad guy, how dare he be honest with his players.

CPHawk":20ukxafz said:

So he told players to stay in school, that weren’t really that good, and it was proven in the NFL? Was a bad guy, how dare he be honest with his players.

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This. I'm over the PC era here, but this post is as big a stretch as ever. Taylor Mays ruined the career of Taylor Mays. He flat out could not play at the pro level

A thread so bad that its brought board peace to .Net.

Astounding.

Thepeelsessions":2wj21lym said:

CPHawk":2wj21lym said:

So he told players to stay in school, that weren’t really that good, and it was proven in the NFL? Was a bad guy, how dare he be honest with his players.

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This. I'm over the PC era here, but this post is as big a stretch as ever. Taylor Mays ruined the career of Taylor Mays. He flat out could not play at the pro level

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Mays was a bad college football player. He was the David Boston on the defensive side of the ball. Physically imposing with zero football sense.

jammerhawk":i74ql9r2 said:

1. Pete is screwing Wilson

2. Pete screwed Norm Chow

3. Pete screwed Taylor Mays (pick a name)

4. Pete is old fashioned with his ideas and won't ever change

5. Pete is old and slow

6. Pete can't coach anymore

7. Pete has too much control

8.etc.

9. etc.

10. etc.

So on and so forth, different day, more negative BS that is not factually supported, or for that matter results supported . Yada, yada, yada. This nonsense has lately changed the board to seahawks.negative

This stuff is being pushed by haters agendas. It has become tiresome.

All this rubbish should be in one thread: I hate Pete for this reason, these reasons, those reasons, Fire Pete!

Of course that won't happen but it now comprises the majority of what used to be intelligent football conversations.


Just sayin'

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We could just move every differing opinion into its own thread where people have to pass polygraphs and psychological examinations to determine that they do in fact agree with the topic of the thread.

That way, no one would ever have to endure the trauma and hardship of being faced with a dissenting point of view.