Ravens sign Zeitler, Seahawks "made a run"

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This definitely reads like more than the usual due diligence. Looks like they really want to bring in a guard here. I can't imagine they'd be willing to shell out 15m+ per year on Thuney... Gabe Jackson might be a name to look out for.

Guarantee you if all things were equal Russ's complaining and up in the air volatility with his future here played a part in Zeitler's decision............and that'll keep happening as free agency continues.

The Hawk's used to be a destination organization that won tie breakers. Now the strained relationship between Wilson and the FO is going to prevent signings.

With as calculated as Wilson has tried to be (or has thought he has been) - was the idea that he may have shot himself in the foot by actually hurting the chances of him getting what he is asking for part of his calculations?

HawkFreak":2gi0nexx said:

With as calculated as Wilson has tried to be (or has thought he has been) - was the idea that he may have shot himself in the foot by actually hurting the chances of him getting what he is asking for part of his calculations?

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Yep.

Which begs the question, did he ever want more say in personnel and play calling by going public..........or does he just want out.

Because if the answer is the former, then he and his agent are stupid if they didn't realize that by publicly criticizing his FO and coach and asking for a trade was going to hinder the very thing he wants.

At this point, if you are Wilson, getting out makes the most sense. Because you will likely not fully realize your potential under Carroll.

That has to be evident after this many years of looking like contenders at the 3/4 mark only to have the bottom fall out repeatedly in the final 1/4. Or the abysmal strategic and tactical planning in our playoff games.

It does not seem you can blame Wilson for calling out the organization when it has refused to do what was needed to help Wilson year after year.

Wilson pushing back publicly was going to hurt us in getting FAs and UDFAs when competing with other teams.

But if Wilson pushed privately and nothing resulted, he was in a no-lose situation to make it very public. If nothing else, it opens the door to getting him out from under Carroll which would help him.

It still seems like Wilson made the right move because nothing would have changed otherwise.

TwistedHusky":x84vjf24 said:

At this point, if you are Wilson, getting out makes the most sense. Because you will likely not fully realize your potential under Carroll..

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I'm not a die hard Carroll supporter, but Wilson's on his way to being one of the greatest QB's of all time, in the top 10 of every QB category and putting on a gold jacket five years after he retires.

So to say he's being wasted or not realizing his potential is hard for me to digest.

As we saw last year when he had 10 turnovers in four games when Pete was allowing him and Schotty to open up the offense, and continues to struggle in the playoffs? Maybe Russell isn't on the same level as the QB's he thinks he is.

And one things for sure, going to another team that just mortgaged and hamstrung their roster trading away their best players and 3 or 4 first round picks isn't going to be better, probably will be worse.

Sgt. Largent":2n7wfq6q said:

HawkFreak":2n7wfq6q said:

With as calculated as Wilson has tried to be (or has thought he has been) - was the idea that he may have shot himself in the foot by actually hurting the chances of him getting what he is asking for part of his calculations?

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Yep.

Which begs the question, did he ever want more say in personnel and play calling by going public..........or does he just want out.

Because if the answer is the former, then he and his agent are stupid if they didn't realize that by publicly criticizing his FO and coach and asking for a trade was going to hinder the very thing he wants.

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ahh more conjecture with no proof.

John63":5sfggm39 said:

Sgt. Largent":5sfggm39 said:

HawkFreak":5sfggm39 said:

With as calculated as Wilson has tried to be (or has thought he has been) - was the idea that he may have shot himself in the foot by actually hurting the chances of him getting what he is asking for part of his calculations?

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Yep.

Which begs the question, did he ever want more say in personnel and play calling by going public..........or does he just want out.

Because if the answer is the former, then he and his agent are stupid if they didn't realize that by publicly criticizing his FO and coach and asking for a trade was going to hinder the very thing he wants.

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ahh more conjecture with no proof.

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Proof of what? Either Russell wants out or he undermined his own intention by going public.

What other choices are there.

Well, at least they did their best.

John Mason : [while on the stairs leading to the prison morgue] Are you sure you're ready for this?
Stanley Goodspeed : I'll do my best.
John Mason : Your "best"! Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and **** the prom queen.

Instead of any prom queens we will end up with that older, ugly gal still there at last call.

Sgt. Largent":1phjcct9 said:

John63":1phjcct9 said:

Sgt. Largent":1phjcct9 said:

HawkFreak":1phjcct9 said:

With as calculated as Wilson has tried to be (or has thought he has been) - was the idea that he may have shot himself in the foot by actually hurting the chances of him getting what he is asking for part of his calculations?

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Yep.

Which begs the question, did he ever want more say in personnel and play calling by going public..........or does he just want out.

Because if the answer is the former, then he and his agent are stupid if they didn't realize that by publicly criticizing his FO and coach and asking for a trade was going to hinder the very thing he wants.

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ahh more conjecture with no proof.

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Proof of what? Either Russell wants out or he undermined his own intention by going public.

What other choices are there.

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That Russell Wilson is a saint and had nothing to do with "Wilson's Camp" leaking things to the press which were probably just fabrications of "writers" trying to scoop something to get clicks?

Largent,

You make the argument that Wilson is doing tremendously well if you look at the #s. How can Carroll be holding him back? Fair point, but that is regular season primarily.

Wilson's success also has to be measured in playoff success. And recently, Pete has not been very good or even marginally competent at helping Wilson here.

Sure, great success in the regular season.

But after every playoff game it is clear that better preparation and better game planning would have produced better outcomes. That is on the coach.

You could easily argue that given Wilson is underproducing in the playoffs due to the poor job our staff has done in assisting him.

It isn't to say Wilson is blameless but it is just as crazy to argue that he should be that much better, given he is usually given the opportunity to play unfettered only after we are several TDs down by halftime. Some of his production IS the result of playing a looser defense, trading yards/completions for time. But some is just Wilson playing outside the lines because he has no choice.

Imagine if his coaching staff helped his success in the playoffs instead of hindered it?

TwistedHusky":2fsd7mqj said:

Imagine if his coaching staff helped his success in the playoffs instead of hindered it?

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Other than the 2018 Cowboy playoff game where yes, Pete was grossly negligent in hindering Russell and the offense, it's hard for me to buy that Russell wasn't at least 50/50 responsible for our playoff losses.......including this year's loss.

11 of 27, 40% completion percentage, 174 yards and a pick. A very BAD pick.

My point on this thread was not to get into a pissing match on who's fault Russell's shortcoming are. But to illustrate that what Russell did this off season with going public with his dissatisfaction of his coach and organization has only hurt our chances during free agency.

Sgt. Largent":1zixq5w6 said:

John63":1zixq5w6 said:

Sgt. Largent":1zixq5w6 said:

HawkFreak":1zixq5w6 said:

With as calculated as Wilson has tried to be (or has thought he has been) - was the idea that he may have shot himself in the foot by actually hurting the chances of him getting what he is asking for part of his calculations?

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Yep.

Which begs the question, did he ever want more say in personnel and play calling by going public..........or does he just want out.

Because if the answer is the former, then he and his agent are stupid if they didn't realize that by publicly criticizing his FO and coach and asking for a trade was going to hinder the very thing he wants.

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ahh more conjecture with no proof.

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Proof of what? Either Russell wants out or he undermined his own intention by going public.

What other choices are there.

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He has said he wants to stay there is nothing else for him to say. The conjecture its that it is Wilson and what is going on is why we lost or will loose out on FAs.

you also said "Guarantee you if all things were equal Russ's complaining and up in the air volatility with his future here played a part in Zeitler's decision............and that'll keep happening as free agency continues." that is the conjecture as you don't know you are assuming things with no evidence.

BASF":1laxu7fl said:

That Russell Wilson is a saint and had nothing to do with "Wilson's Camp" leaking things to the press which were probably just fabrications of "writers" trying to scoop something to get clicks?

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If any of that were the case, then Russ needed to put the cork back in the bottle by publicly calling out the "Writers", but as has already been said, "The Silence Is Deafening"

scutterhawk":39a4a5g0 said:

BASF":39a4a5g0 said:

That Russell Wilson is a saint and had nothing to do with "Wilson's Camp" leaking things to the press which were probably just fabrications of "writers" trying to scoop something to get clicks?

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If any of that were the case, then Russ needed to put the cork back in the bottle by publicly calling out the "Writers", but as has already been said, "The Silence Is Deafening"

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There is nothign to silence he said he wants to stay that is al lthat is needed.

Also every year the FO looks at QBs and has allowed rumors of Wilson being traded to go unchecked. They could put a stop to this too but have not.

John63":2w75afne said:

scutterhawk":2w75afne said:

BASF":2w75afne said:

That Russell Wilson is a saint and had nothing to do with "Wilson's Camp" leaking things to the press which were probably just fabrications of "writers" trying to scoop something to get clicks?

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If any of that were the case, then Russ needed to put the cork back in the bottle by publicly calling out the "Writers", but as has already been said, "The Silence Is Deafening"

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There is nothign to silence he said he wants to stay that is al lthat is needed.

Also every year the FO looks at QBs and has allowed rumors of Wilson being traded to go unchecked. They could put a stop to this too but have not.

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But if he wants to HELP the team finding better players for the O Line then he comes out and says he is staying. Then, possible FAs are more likely to come to a team not in a potentiality rebuilding situation. While I am 100% on board with RW over PC doesn’t mean I don’t think he is a little bit of a whiny b. And not supporting the team by affirming his commitment to the team shows that.

:177692: You hijackers just can't seem to stay on topic.

What's the problem?

Attention deficient? Mutant genes? Brought up bad? :lol:

Jville":guyo7bx0 said:

:177692: You hijackers just can't seem to stay on topic.

What's the problem?

Attention deficient? Mutant genes? Brought up bad? :lol:

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INTP

Sgt. Largent":3udg7d7d said:

Guarantee you if all things were equal Russ's complaining and up in the air volatility with his future here played a part in Zeitler's decision............and that'll keep happening as free agency continues.

The Hawk's used to be a destination organization that won tie breakers. Now the strained relationship between Wilson and the FO is going to prevent signings.

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It may have or may have not played a factor. We don't know. To pin Zeitler's reason for not signing with Seahawks because of RW's complaining is pure BS. Seahawks courted TJ Lang a few years back and he signed with the Lions. This was before RW complained.

Seahawks don't see to be an "attractive" destination for people who play on OL. They got Brown in a trade, other than that which big name OL FA came here? Iupati. OL don't want to sign here for some reason. It's been that way since PC/JS have been here. It is what it is.

https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/seahawks/t-j-lang-spurns-seahawks-for-lions/

JayhawkMike":3lalfjet said:

Jville":3lalfjet said:

:177692: You hijackers just can't seem to stay on topic.

What's the problem?

Attention deficient? Mutant genes? Brought up bad? :lol:

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INTP

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I have my doubts about that ..... guys like Bill Gates, Albert Einstein, and Isaac Newton were rather focused on their subject matter.

Returning to the original topic.

What does Seahawk interest in Kevin Zeitler say about their 2021 roster construction?

Anyone familiar with the make up of Zeitler. Power Run Blocker? Pass Blocker extraordinaire? Does it foretell a change in blocking scheme?

Anyone up for reading their tea leaves or sharing thoughts on the subject of pursuing offensive linemen?