Is the FO cheap?

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The Seahawks have a methodology to how they structure contracts that is not condusive to signing big Free Agents. The overpaying of JAGs will continue.
 

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Cheap and arrogant.

Edit to add: cheap as in they don’t find quality players at the top of their games and sign them. They go after cheap long shots. Yes, they spend the whole salary cap.
 

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No. If they were, we wouldn't have so little cap space. The issue isn't how much is spent, it's how they're spending it.

Very well could be a 2nd year in a row where we don't get better. Going to dump tons of money on an aging LB whose replacement you spent a 1st on last year, on extending a safety you got absolutely pillaged in a trade for, and being outclassed in the trenches on both sides by every other team in the division.
 

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pinksheets":2w7e2zxf said:
No. If they were, we wouldn't have so little cap space. The issue isn't how much is spent, it's how they're spending it.

Very well could be a 2nd year in a row where we don't get better. Going to dump tons of money on an aging LB whose replacement you spent a 1st on last year, on extending a safety you got absolutely pillaged in a trade for, and being outclassed in the trenches on both sides by every other team in the division.

Agreed. :irishdrinkers:
 

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Kinda. They prefer to moneyball it and identify value for cheap. Doesn't always work and I'd like to see a bit more aggression.

They're not in the least bit cheap when it comes to retaining their cornerstones, but very thrifty when it comes time to "shop."
 

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JayhawkMike":3tpcwt67 said:
pinksheets":3tpcwt67 said:
No. If they were, we wouldn't have so little cap space. The issue isn't how much is spent, it's how they're spending it.

Very well could be a 2nd year in a row where we don't get better. Going to dump tons of money on an aging LB whose replacement you spent a 1st on last year, on extending a safety you got absolutely pillaged in a trade for, and being outclassed in the trenches on both sides by every other team in the division.

Agreed. :irishdrinkers:

You literally just said cheap and arrogant, and now are agreeing with a post outright saying "no" to the cheap label.

It kinda seems like you're just going to agree with any criticism.
 

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Fade":2i0oatdl said:
The Seahawks have a methodology to how they structure contracts that is not condusive to signing big Free Agents. The overpaying of JAGs will continue.

No they will spend money just not always were they should.
 

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our FO just sucks now

think they're the smartest guys in the room when theyre really not

outside the box only works for so long
 

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Fade":3rykok7f said:
The Seahawks have a methodology to how they structure contracts that is not condusive to signing big Free Agents. The overpaying of JAGs will continue.

While true, especially when it comes to the O and D lines, overspending in the first wave of free agency rarely works out either.

So our problem IMO hasn't been our penchant for being cheapskates when it comes to free agency, it's John and Pete's inability to draft at a high enough hit rate to have one of the best rosters in the league in order to compete for SB's.

I'm OK with cheap when it comes to free agency, it's usually the same desperate teams overspending. Am I OK with only hitting on about 25-30% of our draft picks over the past 6-7 years?

No, I am not OK with that.
 

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The NFL is a great league because teams cannot be either cheap or extravagant on their rosters as with other sports. There is a fixed salary cap which they cannot exceed and a fixed salary cap floor that they cannot be under. How to get the most talent with the exact same amount of spending is the trick and there's endless debate on the best methods.

NFL teams can be cheap when it comes to other areas of the business. Cincinnati has had a poor reputation for most of the last decade for having terrible facilities and an owner that tries to minimize outside spending. The Raiders in Oakland were cash poor at times and reportedly structured many "upfront" bonuses to be paid out in installments.

In contrast, the Hawks under Paul Allen were extravagant. He was the richest owner and didn't seem to particularly care about the team making immediate profits. That showed up with premium coaching, training and medical staff, and VMac is probably the most expensive training facility in the NFL if you consider the real estate it sits on.

So far with Jody Allen it seems to be status quo, but this is one of the bigger uncertainties going forwards. It's entirely possible that Jody could sell the team or the management group at Vulcan could decide to run the team with more of an eye for profits.
 

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Mizak":2msffp3h said:
Yes or No?


No. It may not always be well spent, but they are definitely not cheap.

Wisely, they prefer to give big contracts to their own players rather than gamble in free agency where large contracts rarely pay off as value.
 

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They are value buyers and spend the big bucks on players that are foundation to the team. They been very successful for the past decade.

im just hoping they sign or trade for a proven G & Edge this year and can go cheaper on the other positions.
 

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rcaido":qdvottfq said:
They are value buyers and spend the big bucks on players that are foundation to the team. They been very successful for the past decade.

im just hoping they sign or trade for a proven G & Edge this year and can go cheaper on the other positions.


I agree value buyers don't agree on being very successful at all. For every 1 they hit on there are 2-3 that they don't. 11 years here for PC oline still sucks.
 

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Maelstrom787":1nygntyd said:
JayhawkMike":1nygntyd said:
pinksheets":1nygntyd said:
No. If they were, we wouldn't have so little cap space. The issue isn't how much is spent, it's how they're spending it.

Very well could be a 2nd year in a row where we don't get better. Going to dump tons of money on an aging LB whose replacement you spent a 1st on last year, on extending a safety you got absolutely pillaged in a trade for, and being outclassed in the trenches on both sides by every other team in the division.

Agreed. :irishdrinkers:

You literally just said cheap and arrogant, and now are agreeing with a post outright saying "no" to the cheap label.

It kinda seems like you're just going to agree with any criticism.

Agreed. :irishdrinkers:
 

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Seattle takes a barbell approach to risk. They typically invest big money in known elite commodities (Wagner, Russ, Sherman). They only take risks on players outside the organization if they feel they have the long-term potential to be elite difference makers relative to their peers (Harvin, Graham, Adams).

I understand why this strategy rubs people the wrong way, but it's probably the best for having sustained success long term when you're paying a franchise QB. For example, if Joe Thuney ends up being average in KC, they have very little flexibility to change course in the next two years. Seattle's approach does not hinder their flexibility to adapt. In other words, Seattle would rather take several small bets rather than place all of their eggs in one basket.
 

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They aren’t cheap, they just suck at their job now. They blow tons of money on “bargain” players who add zero value to the team instead of just going after 1 of 2 good players. But I can’t wait to see the 3-5 JAGs they sign this year and try to hype them up to be key contributors.
 

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Last season we spent quite a bit of money in free agency, we just went with the quantity over quality approach.
 

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