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Re: Trade Wilson now
Sun Mar 28, 2021 1:36 pm
  • Maulbert wrote:
    Tinamedina wrote:
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    toffee wrote:Our Wilson could make that throw consistently.

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    Zach Wilson will probably never be as good as him at QB, but Russ does not have that arm strength. Dude is throwing a 50 yard pass off his back foot and there is no air under it whatsoever. There are maybe 3 QBs in the league who can make that pass consistently.



    somebody up that 80 yard ACCURATE touchdown pass to golden tate from russell wilson please.

    accurate and under pressure, not throwing on pro day where there is no pressure.

    until i see zach wilson or trey lance do that, knock it off.


    I assume you mean the first play here:


    I would hope that's not it. First, that's a 50-yard pass. Second, there is a vast difference between throwing across your body off your back foot and planting your feet and throwing the ball, as Russ does in that video. Doing what Zach Wilson does is almost entirely dependent on natural arm strength. What Russ is doing is a combination of mechanics and arm strength.

    It's the difference between Kirk Cousins and Aaron Rodgers. Cousins has a cannon when he can set his feet, but he can't make off-platform throws like Rodgers. For example, here is Cousins throwing a deeper pass than Wilson with his feet planted.

    Keep in mind, natural arm strength has very little to do with how good a QB is. Tom Brady and Drew Brees have fairly average arms, and they lead the league in every major statistical category.
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Re: Trade Wilson now
Sun Mar 28, 2021 1:52 pm
  • Hawks2022 wrote:1) The front office had Russ on the trading block, so lets not assume he is loved by them.

    You base that on what exactly?
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Re: Trade Wilson now
Sun Mar 28, 2021 1:56 pm
  • Zap90 wrote:1. If they don't want to trade Wilson, then they would have refused every deal, and wouldn't had listened to people offering their picks + players.

    Wilson hasn't been traded, has he? Then by definition, the Seahawks have refused every deal.

    And it's the General Manager's job to take phone calls and listen to offers, regardless of whether he has any intention of acting on them. Most deals don't get done, for a variety of reasons.
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Re: Trade Wilson now
Sun Mar 28, 2021 2:38 pm
  • hawkfan68 wrote:
    FresnoHawk68 wrote:Miami needs to give Tua a shot & draft TE Pitts or WR Smith or Center Slater.

    Jets know who to call when they want to make a trade (Adams & Richardson) $$$ talks BS walks! If Seattle likes Darnold more than RW (I do) they will pay more than anyone else, then trade RW to the Bears or Oakland.

    But for that to happen Jets would have to be dumb enough to draft Zach Wilson!

    RW highlights consist mostly of WR’s beating DB’s not impressive throws! The TD pass to Lockett in the Rams game & a few bombs dropping it in the breadbasket that’s RW claim to fame which has only been unanimously agreed upon 2021,2020, & 2019, up to that time half the population thought RW was over rated.

    I don’t care what RW did I want to know what he will do now 2021!


    I don't believe that for one second. Even Bill O'Brien wouldn't trade Russell Wilson for Darnold. No matter what package was offered in return. PC/JS make that move it would end their tenure in the NFL. Neither are that stupid.




    Well it’s developing and PC/JS would definitely replace RW with a better QB that isn’t as decorated as RW because RW choked in the playoffs! You cannot over look choking on the big stage ever ever ever!

    Your using the word trade I’m using the word replace. I’m focused on cause & effect! Is Sam Darnold the best Player Seattle can acquire this year including the draft? Well according to Pete’s comments multiple times over the last 3 years YES and does the video evidence of Sam Darnold skill sets support Sam being the best player available to Seattle this year, in my opinion YES!
    Has Seattle put themselves in a flexible situation to acquire Donald when they should be selling out on the 2021 Super Bowl? Yes.

    When Seattle extends RW for cap relief then a RW trade for draft picks is off the table but no matter what if Darnold hits the market you buy him.
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Re: Trade Wilson now
Sun Mar 28, 2021 2:54 pm
  • Hell... Darnold?

    I'd trade Russ and Wagner and any first round pick.

    He is a great player and even a nicer guy
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Re: Trade Wilson now
Sun Mar 28, 2021 3:19 pm
  • acer1240 wrote:Hell... Darnold

    I'd trade Russ and Wagner and any first round pick.

    He is a great player and even a nicer guy


    LMFAO. I don’t know what you’re day job is but, you’re definitely a comedian.
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Re: Trade Wilson now
Sun Mar 28, 2021 4:08 pm
  • acer1240 wrote:Hell... Darnold

    I'd trade Russ and Wagner and any first round pick.

    He is a great player and even a nicer guy


    Wow spinning back first didn’t see that coming. A great D can be a great O. Looking at your ears for Cauliflower, single leg double leg if you got it shoot in.
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Re: Trade Wilson now
Sun Mar 28, 2021 4:31 pm
  • FresnoHawk68 wrote:
    acer1240 wrote:Hell... Darnold

    I'd trade Russ and Wagner and any first round pick.

    He is a great player and even a nicer guy


    Wow spinning back first didn’t see that coming. A great D can be a great O. Looking at your ears for Cauliflower, single leg double leg if you got it shoot in.


    I understand. Could not have said it better

    You should post more
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Re: Trade Wilson now
Sun Mar 28, 2021 6:01 pm
  • FresnoHawk68 wrote:
    hawkfan68 wrote:
    FresnoHawk68 wrote:Miami needs to give Tua a shot & draft TE Pitts or WR Smith or Center Slater.

    Jets know who to call when they want to make a trade (Adams & Richardson) $$$ talks BS walks! If Seattle likes Darnold more than RW (I do) they will pay more than anyone else, then trade RW to the Bears or Oakland.

    But for that to happen Jets would have to be dumb enough to draft Zach Wilson!

    RW highlights consist mostly of WR’s beating DB’s not impressive throws! The TD pass to Lockett in the Rams game & a few bombs dropping it in the breadbasket that’s RW claim to fame which has only been unanimously agreed upon 2021,2020, & 2019, up to that time half the population thought RW was over rated.

    I don’t care what RW did I want to know what he will do now 2021!


    I don't believe that for one second. Even Bill O'Brien wouldn't trade Russell Wilson for Darnold. No matter what package was offered in return. PC/JS make that move it would end their tenure in the NFL. Neither are that stupid.




    Well it’s developing and PC/JS would definitely replace RW with a better QB that isn’t as decorated as RW because RW choked in the playoffs! You cannot over look choking on the big stage ever ever ever!

    Your using the word trade I’m using the word replace. I’m focused on cause & effect! Is Sam Darnold the best Player Seattle can acquire this year including the draft? Well according to Pete’s comments multiple times over the last 3 years YES and does the video evidence of Sam Darnold skill sets support Sam being the best player available to Seattle this year, in my opinion YES!
    Has Seattle put themselves in a flexible situation to acquire Donald when they should be selling out on the 2021 Super Bowl? Yes.

    When Seattle extends RW for cap relief then a RW trade for draft picks is off the table but no matter what if Darnold hits the market you buy him.


    And again your proof? U have NONE.
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Re: Trade Wilson now
Sun Mar 28, 2021 6:18 pm
  • I don't want to see Wilson traded......I might have to root for him if he goes to a team I like. :lol:

    Here's an honest question:

    How much better is Wilson now than he was in 2013-2014?

    How much worse is the run game/defense now versus those years?

    Those respective gaps to me suggest what is needed for the Seahawks to become a true top NFC force in the postseason.

    Nobody is as hard on Wilson than me, and I see the gap in his skills as significant over the last several years (hell even versus 2017, 2018). As of 2019 at the absolute latest, he's a real threat to defenses, September thru December, from my critical mouth. Holy f****, no longer can I say "garbage on the road, only good at home".

    He's a tremendous regular season QB for a good chunk of the 16 games, but postseason his style of play runs into barriers fast. The drop off has been there every single season of his career except possibly his rookie season. He's never carried the Seahawks in the postseason like he has in recent regular seasons. The simplest explanation is probably that unstructured QB play just doesn't translate at a high level in the postseason. Cover 2 to limit the deep ball, and just sound defense to limit all the unbroken plays.

    From the 30,000 foot view, that's the simplest explanation there is.

    It's very possible that the delta drop off of new Wilson to old in January/February isn't particularly huge. Meanwhile the rest of the team has dropped off significantly.

    To win a bowl with Wilson you'll need closer to 80-85% of the old run game and defense. His salary alone is gonna make that almost impossible, and I honestly don't think it's possible to rebuild an LOB type defense in 2021+........just ain't possible with the rules and state of the game, not to mention you'll need to hit on all sorts of draft picks.

    You ride it out with Wilson long term, and accept that you'll need luck to win it all. It will look like mid to late '90s SF more or less. Every year an entertaining team to watch, but SB aspirations were held in check.

    Once Wilson is truly done, you move on from him and maybe Pete/JS, reboot it.

    Nothing lasts forever. Niners had to do this $h!t twice since Pete arrived......
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Re: Trade Wilson now
Sun Mar 28, 2021 6:22 pm
  • FresnoHawk68 wrote:
    hawkfan68 wrote:
    FresnoHawk68 wrote:Miami needs to give Tua a shot & draft TE Pitts or WR Smith or Center Slater.

    Jets know who to call when they want to make a trade (Adams & Richardson) $$$ talks BS walks! If Seattle likes Darnold more than RW (I do) they will pay more than anyone else, then trade RW to the Bears or Oakland.

    But for that to happen Jets would have to be dumb enough to draft Zach Wilson!

    RW highlights consist mostly of WR’s beating DB’s not impressive throws! The TD pass to Lockett in the Rams game & a few bombs dropping it in the breadbasket that’s RW claim to fame which has only been unanimously agreed upon 2021,2020, & 2019, up to that time half the population thought RW was over rated.

    I don’t care what RW did I want to know what he will do now 2021!


    I don't believe that for one second. Even Bill O'Brien wouldn't trade Russell Wilson for Darnold. No matter what package was offered in return. PC/JS make that move it would end their tenure in the NFL. Neither are that stupid.




    Well it’s developing and PC/JS would definitely replace RW with a better QB that isn’t as decorated as RW because RW choked in the playoffs! You cannot over look choking on the big stage ever ever ever!

    Your using the word trade I’m using the word replace. I’m focused on cause & effect! Is Sam Darnold the best Player Seattle can acquire this year including the draft? Well according to Pete’s comments multiple times over the last 3 years YES and does the video evidence of Sam Darnold skill sets support Sam being the best player available to Seattle this year, in my opinion YES!
    Has Seattle put themselves in a flexible situation to acquire Donald when they should be selling out on the 2021 Super Bowl? Yes.

    When Seattle extends RW for cap relief then a RW trade for draft picks is off the table but no matter what if Darnold hits the market you buy him.


    I'd rather have TJack start for the Seahawks than Darnold. Factually that can't happen.
    Sticking to the facts - Russell Wilson has almost as many wins in his rookie season than Darnold has in his entire NFL career to date. The Seahawks were a 7-9 team when Russell took over. So it's not like Russell was placed on a winning team.
    Another fact, Pete Carroll sung praises of Taylor Mays yet he stayed away from drafting him, trading for him, or signing him. Sam Darnold seems to be the "Taylor Mays" of QBs. I believe Pete will stay away from him. He has $39 million dollars worth of reasons to. Which by the way, is another fact.
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Re: Trade Wilson now
Mon Mar 29, 2021 10:38 am
  • hawkfan68 wrote:The Seahawks were a 7-9 team when Russell took over. So it's not like Russell was placed on a winning team.


    The Seahawks were a 7-9 defense when Bobby took over. So it's not like Bobby was placed on a winning team.

    Interesting how drafting a generational middle linebacker works.

    Also, the signing of Giacomini to move on from the Carpenter at tackle experiment really increased the nastiness and effectiveness of the offensive line.

    I love Wilson and was jumping up and down with excitement when we drafted him, but he was not the only piece we added that vastly improved the team that offseason.
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Re: Trade Wilson now
Mon Mar 29, 2021 10:51 am
  • hawkfan68 wrote:
    FresnoHawk68 wrote:Miami needs to give Tua a shot & draft TE Pitts or WR Smith or Center Slater.

    Jets know who to call when they want to make a trade (Adams & Richardson) $$$ talks BS walks! If Seattle likes Darnold more than RW (I do) they will pay more than anyone else, then trade RW to the Bears or Oakland.

    But for that to happen Jets would have to be dumb enough to draft Zach Wilson!

    RW highlights consist mostly of WR’s beating DB’s not impressive throws! The TD pass to Lockett in the Rams game & a few bombs dropping it in the breadbasket that’s RW claim to fame which has only been unanimously agreed upon 2021,2020, & 2019, up to that time half the population thought RW was over rated.

    I don’t care what RW did I want to know what he will do now 2021!


    I don't believe that for one second. Even Bill O'Brien wouldn't trade Russell Wilson for Darnold. No matter what package was offered in return. PC/JS make that move it would end their tenure in the NFL. Neither are that stupid.


    This guy literally does not talk about anything except Sam Darnold, a QB who has shown absolutely nothing in 3 years.

    Willing to bet this guy is Souixhawk or that other TJack poster.
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Re: Trade Wilson now
Mon Mar 29, 2021 12:46 pm
  • BASF wrote:
    hawkfan68 wrote:The Seahawks were a 7-9 team when Russell took over. So it's not like Russell was placed on a winning team.


    The Seahawks were a 7-9 defense when Bobby took over. So it's not like Bobby was placed on a winning team.

    Interesting how drafting a generational middle linebacker works.

    Also, the signing of Giacomini to move on from the Carpenter at tackle experiment really increased the nastiness and effectiveness of the offensive line.

    I love Wilson and was jumping up and down with excitement when we drafted him, but he was not the only piece we added that vastly improved the team that offseason.
    We were most successful when the team was defense dominated, and offense was run oriented. Wilson's role was a elite game manager with ability to some heroics.

    We have been less successful after we pivot to QB centric team with huge $$ invested in one position - QB.

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Re: Trade Wilson now
Mon Mar 29, 2021 3:58 pm
  • toffee wrote:
    BASF wrote:
    hawkfan68 wrote:The Seahawks were a 7-9 team when Russell took over. So it's not like Russell was placed on a winning team.


    The Seahawks were a 7-9 defense when Bobby took over. So it's not like Bobby was placed on a winning team.

    Interesting how drafting a generational middle linebacker works.

    Also, the signing of Giacomini to move on from the Carpenter at tackle experiment really increased the nastiness and effectiveness of the offensive line.

    I love Wilson and was jumping up and down with excitement when we drafted him, but he was not the only piece we added that vastly improved the team that offseason.
    We were most successful when the team was defense dominated, and offense was run oriented. Wilson's role was a elite game manager with ability to some heroics.

    We have been less successful after we pivot to QB centric team with huge $$ invested in one position - QB.

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    Ahh really you do know that we still really haven't pivoted at all. Also, pre Wilson we where top defense and run game and 7-9, So the reality is we were most successful with a great defense, great run game and dynamic great QB guess what every team is. Now if you are taking huge dollars to the Qb okay, but that does not mean it is those huge dollars that are the problem we have also been way worse at drafts, and FAs.

    So lets ook at it,

    great defense and run game 7-9 2011 avcg 7 wins
    Great defense, run game and great Qb 2012-2014 avg 11 wins
    Great QB, not great defense, great run game 2015, 2018-2019, avg 10.5 wins
    Great QB not great defense, not great run game 2016-2017 avg 9.5 wins

    Hmm fewer wins with great run game and defense and no great QB then with just a great QB hmm
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Re: Trade Wilson now
Mon Mar 29, 2021 4:35 pm
  • John63 wrote:
    toffee wrote:
    BASF wrote:
    hawkfan68 wrote:The Seahawks were a 7-9 team when Russell took over. So it's not like Russell was placed on a winning team.


    The Seahawks were a 7-9 defense when Bobby took over. So it's not like Bobby was placed on a winning team.

    Interesting how drafting a generational middle linebacker works.

    Also, the signing of Giacomini to move on from the Carpenter at tackle experiment really increased the nastiness and effectiveness of the offensive line.

    I love Wilson and was jumping up and down with excitement when we drafted him, but he was not the only piece we added that vastly improved the team that offseason.
    We were most successful when the team was defense dominated, and offense was run oriented. Wilson's role was a elite game manager with ability to some heroics.

    We have been less successful after we pivot to QB centric team with huge $$ invested in one position - QB.

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    Ahh really you do know that we still really haven't pivoted at all. Also, pre Wilson we where top defense and run game and 7-9, So the reality is we were most successful with a great defense, great run game and dynamic great QB guess what every team is. Now if you are taking huge dollars to the Qb okay, but that does not mean it is those huge dollars that are the problem we have also been way worse at drafts, and FAs.

    So lets ook at it,

    great defense and run game 7-9 2011 avcg 7 wins
    Great defense, run game and great Qb 2012-2014 avg 11 wins
    Great QB, not great defense, great run game 2015, 2018-2019, avg 10.5 wins
    Great QB not great defense, not great run game 2016-2017 avg 9.5 wins

    Hmm fewer wins with great run game and defense and no great QB then with just a great QB hmm
    Needless to say, we will never know what our record would have been without one Russell Wilson. But Pete Carroll certainly felt Wilson was the key to winning by ridding the team of Wilson doubters.

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Re: Trade Wilson now
Mon Mar 29, 2021 5:11 pm
  • John63 wrote:Ahh really you do know that we still really haven't pivoted at all.


    It is this type of intellectual dishonesty that landed you on my foes list. How can you say we haven't pivoted at all when Wilson's attempts have increased every year but one? Taking out Wilson's scrambles that were not designed runs has us as one of the lower half in the league in rushing attempts. This is Wilson's offense to run and has been for years.
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Re: Trade Wilson now
Mon Mar 29, 2021 5:47 pm
  • BASF wrote:
    John63 wrote:Ahh really you do know that we still really haven't pivoted at all.


    It is this type of intellectual dishonesty that landed you on my foes list. How can you say we haven't pivoted at all when Wilson's attempts have increased every year but one? Taking out Wilson's scrambles that were not designed runs has us as one of the lower half in the league in rushing attempts. This is Wilson's offense to run and has been for years.
    This.

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Re: Trade Wilson now
Mon Mar 29, 2021 7:35 pm
  • BASF wrote:
    John63 wrote:Ahh really you do know that we still really haven't pivoted at all.


    It is this type of intellectual dishonesty that landed you on my foes list. How can you say we haven't pivoted at all when Wilson's attempts have increased every year but one? Taking out Wilson's scrambles that were not designed runs has us as one of the lower half in the league in rushing attempts. This is Wilson's offense to run and has been for years.



    So I am going to refrain from the personal comments., SO lets see our oline ahh how many of them were known pass blockers? meaning they were known to be good at it? 1 Brown.

    When we ran the ball a lot and we had fumbles, punts or whatever did we go away form it? NO

    When we struggled passing did we go away from it Yes.

    Was any of our OCs known as passing offensive gurus? NO all run

    I can go on but you get it, well if you turn on the light anyway

    When you want to go from a run orientated offense to pass there are things you need to do

    improve oline pass blocking
    get a passing OC
    Commit to it and not run at first sight of trouble.

    All things we have not done so sorry no we have not pivoted at all. We have started to but no there yet.
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Re: Trade Wilson now
Mon Mar 29, 2021 8:06 pm
  • NINEster wrote:I don't want to see Wilson traded......I might have to root for him if he goes to a team I like. :lol:

    Here's an honest question:

    How much better is Wilson now than he was in 2013-2014?

    How much worse is the run game/defense now versus those years?

    Those respective gaps to me suggest what is needed for the Seahawks to become a true top NFC force in the postseason.

    Nobody is as hard on Wilson than me, and I see the gap in his skills as significant over the last several years (hell even versus 2017, 2018). As of 2019 at the absolute latest, he's a real threat to defenses, September thru December, from my critical mouth. Holy f****, no longer can I say "garbage on the road, only good at home".

    He's a tremendous regular season QB for a good chunk of the 16 games, but postseason his style of play runs into barriers fast. The drop off has been there every single season of his career except possibly his rookie season. He's never carried the Seahawks in the postseason like he has in recent regular seasons. The simplest explanation is probably that unstructured QB play just doesn't translate at a high level in the postseason. Cover 2 to limit the deep ball, and just sound defense to limit all the unbroken plays.

    From the 30,000 foot view, that's the simplest explanation there is.

    It's very possible that the delta drop off of new Wilson to old in January/February isn't particularly huge. Meanwhile the rest of the team has dropped off significantly.

    To win a bowl with Wilson you'll need closer to 80-85% of the old run game and defense. His salary alone is gonna make that almost impossible, and I honestly don't think it's possible to rebuild an LOB type defense in 2021+........just ain't possible with the rules and state of the game, not to mention you'll need to hit on all sorts of draft picks.

    You ride it out with Wilson long term, and accept that you'll need luck to win it all. It will look like mid to late '90s SF more or less. Every year an entertaining team to watch, but SB aspirations were held in check.

    Once Wilson is truly done, you move on from him and maybe Pete/JS, reboot it.

    Nothing lasts forever. Niners had to do this $h!t twice since Pete arrived......


    My thoughts exactly.

    At this point, it's not clear exactly what Russ "needs" can be supplied. Or that personnel quality will change much. We've made a few cheap FA deals. Relatively speaking at the mo, we don't have much in draft capital.

    But even so, it's possible that we have what we had last year: It's possible Stafford isn't the game changer Rams think he is. Or Garrapolo gets hurt real early and that rookie won't be Justin Herbert ready. Or that Kyler's weaknesses will get figured out.

    So the Seahawks' 2021 destiny is pretty much keeping Russ and doing some different things as that's the best chance we have, but I wouldn't say we are fully in control of our destiny right now either, especially not in the division.
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Re: Trade Wilson now
Mon Mar 29, 2021 9:13 pm
  • John63 wrote:
    BASF wrote:
    John63 wrote:Ahh really you do know that we still really haven't pivoted at all.


    It is this type of intellectual dishonesty that landed you on my foes list. How can you say we haven't pivoted at all when Wilson's attempts have increased every year but one? Taking out Wilson's scrambles that were not designed runs has us as one of the lower half in the league in rushing attempts. This is Wilson's offense to run and has been for years.



    So I am going to refrain from the personal comments., SO lets see our oline ahh how many of them were known pass blockers? meaning they were known to be good at it? 1 Brown.

    When we ran the ball a lot and we had fumbles, punts or whatever did we go away form it? NO

    When we struggled passing did we go away from it Yes.

    Was any of our OCs known as passing offensive gurus? NO all run

    I can go on but you get it, well if you turn on the light anyway

    When you want to go from a run orientated offense to pass there are things you need to do

    improve oline pass blocking
    get a passing OC
    Commit to it and not run at first sight of trouble.

    All things we have not done so sorry no we have not pivoted at all. We have started to but no there yet.

    We've been increasing Wilson's pass attempts, and tried to go with a pass-first offense last year, and when that didn't work we fired the OC who wasn't succeeding with it and hired a passing game coordinator from a team with a successful passing game.

    No progress, according to you.

    Canned Cable and brought in Solari to fix the OL. Kept a center who was doing OK instead of letting him hit free agency like we did with Britt, and brought in a guard which was a problem position for us last season. Damien Lewis was a hit in the draft last season, probably thanks to Solari's input in the selection.

    Still apparently no progress, according to you.

    Provided Wilson with an absolute freak of nature target in Metcalf, an elusive one in Lockett, added a versatile tight end in Will Dissly (when he's healthy, obviously) who was a top blocking tight end in college but turned out to be a decent receiver as well, and a play-making tight end in Everett.

    Nope, still no progress at all. "All things we have not done"

    Not sure exactly what you want to see, because the writing is there on the wall in big letters waiting for you to read it.

    How about you wait until you see Waldron's product on the field before condemning it.
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Re: Trade Wilson now
Mon Mar 29, 2021 9:31 pm
  • I suspect that like you, I considered the Waldron hire to be at least a partial attempt to placate Russ.

    But then we couldn't help but notice that Russ went off shortly after that.

    I certainly do hope that these two develop some kind of inner-bonding perception that might be more intimate-feeling than how he may feel toward Pete. Which may depend on W's independence or perception thereof.

    We'll have to see, I guess.
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Re: Trade Wilson now
Mon Mar 29, 2021 9:41 pm
  • KiwiHawk wrote:
    John63 wrote:
    BASF wrote:
    John63 wrote:Ahh really you do know that we still really haven't pivoted at all.


    It is this type of intellectual dishonesty that landed you on my foes list. How can you say we haven't pivoted at all when Wilson's attempts have increased every year but one? Taking out Wilson's scrambles that were not designed runs has us as one of the lower half in the league in rushing attempts. This is Wilson's offense to run and has been for years.



    So I am going to refrain from the personal comments., SO lets see our oline ahh how many of them were known pass blockers? meaning they were known to be good at it? 1 Brown.

    When we ran the ball a lot and we had fumbles, punts or whatever did we go away form it? NO

    When we struggled passing did we go away from it Yes.

    Was any of our OCs known as passing offensive gurus? NO all run

    I can go on but you get it, well if you turn on the light anyway

    When you want to go from a run orientated offense to pass there are things you need to do

    improve oline pass blocking
    get a passing OC
    Commit to it and not run at first sight of trouble.

    All things we have not done so sorry no we have not pivoted at all. We have started to but no there yet.

    We've been increasing Wilson's pass attempts, and tried to go with a pass-first offense last year, and when that didn't work we fired the OC who wasn't succeeding with it and hired a passing game coordinator from a team with a successful passing game.

    No progress, according to you.

    Canned Cable and brought in Solari to fix the OL. Kept a center who was doing OK instead of letting him hit free agency like we did with Britt, and brought in a guard which was a problem position for us last season. Damien Lewis was a hit in the draft last season, probably thanks to Solari's input in the selection.

    Still apparently no progress, according to you.

    Provided Wilson with an absolute freak of nature target in Metcalf, an elusive one in Lockett, added a versatile tight end in Will Dissly (when he's healthy, obviously) who was a top blocking tight end in college but turned out to be a decent receiver as well, and a play-making tight end in Everett.

    Nope, still no progress at all. "All things we have not done"

    Not sure exactly what you want to see, because the writing is there on the wall in big letters waiting for you to read it.

    How about you wait until you see Waldron's product on the field before condemning it.


    For Seattle, you want the run game dominant. That's all you need from your OC.

    The way Wilson plays, you just want the run game to be more effective like it used to be, with the passing game at least above average.

    In the modern NFL, you can do it with a good zone block scheme and RB. Lynch was a very good ZBS back, which is why he popped with the Hawks and didn't as much with Buffalo.

    I know it sounds crazy, but I'd find a way to trade for Derrick Henry. There's gotta be a price to get him....he's just an RB, not a QB, haha.

    With Henry on the Hawks, at least on offense they could be a true post season threat again.

    It's been said a few times -- Wilson is great at two things:

    Throwing a nice deep ball from the pocket
    Throwing on the move, evading the rush

    Shanahan, McVay, Reid aren't gonna make Wilson a 5,000 yard passer and throw 50 TDs. What they can do is get the run game better and be a little more creative than most to get WRs open. But Wilson doesn't exploit that like others.

    History will show Bevell as the most underrated man in Seahawk coaching history. Blame him for how SB 49 ended or how Wilson never became Drew Brees (both ridiculous ideas), but give him credit for exploiting Wilson the young QB to be as effective as he was.

    Wilson I promise you would have not been what he is now on many NFL teams. The 49ers would have messed him up too, based on how they dealt with Kaepernick.

    You get the run game elite, your offense is fixed. Defense is another story.
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Re: Trade Wilson now
Mon Mar 29, 2021 11:33 pm
  • knownone wrote:
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    knownone wrote:Zach Wilson will probably never be as good as him at QB, but Russ does not have that arm strength. Dude is throwing a 50 yard pass off his back foot and there is no air under it whatsoever. There are maybe 3 QBs in the league who can make that pass consistently.



    somebody up that 80 yard ACCURATE touchdown pass to golden tate from russell wilson please.

    accurate and under pressure, not throwing on pro day where there is no pressure.

    until i see zach wilson or trey lance do that, knock it off.


    I assume you mean the first play here:


    I would hope that's not it. First, that's a 50-yard pass. Second, there is a vast difference between throwing across your body off your back foot and planting your feet and throwing the ball, as Russ does in that video. Doing what Zach Wilson does is almost entirely dependent on natural arm strength. What Russ is doing is a combination of mechanics and arm strength.

    It's the difference between Kirk Cousins and Aaron Rodgers. Cousins has a cannon when he can set his feet, but he can't make off-platform throws like Rodgers. For example, here is Cousins throwing a deeper pass than Wilson with his feet planted.

    Keep in mind, natural arm strength has very little to do with how good a QB is. Tom Brady and Drew Brees have fairly average arms, and they lead the league in every major statistical category.


    How about 61 yards?

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  • Eagles are stepping to the plate to offer whatever it takes to get Russ.

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Re: Trade Wilson now
Tue Mar 30, 2021 4:47 pm
  • hawkfan68 wrote:
    FresnoHawk68 wrote:
    hawkfan68 wrote:
    FresnoHawk68 wrote:Miami needs to give Tua a shot & draft TE Pitts or WR Smith or Center Slater.

    Jets know who to call when they want to make a trade (Adams & Richardson) $$$ talks BS walks! If Seattle likes Darnold more than RW (I do) they will pay more than anyone else, then trade RW to the Bears or Oakland.

    But for that to happen Jets would have to be dumb enough to draft Zach Wilson!

    RW highlights consist mostly of WR’s beating DB’s not impressive throws! The TD pass to Lockett in the Rams game & a few bombs dropping it in the breadbasket that’s RW claim to fame which has only been unanimously agreed upon 2021,2020, & 2019, up to that time half the population thought RW was over rated.

    I don’t care what RW did I want to know what he will do now 2021!


    I don't believe that for one second. Even Bill O'Brien wouldn't trade Russell Wilson for Darnold. No matter what package was offered in return. PC/JS make that move it would end their tenure in the NFL. Neither are that stupid.




    Well it’s developing and PC/JS would definitely replace RW with a better QB that isn’t as decorated as RW because RW choked in the playoffs! You cannot over look choking on the big stage ever ever ever!

    Your using the word trade I’m using the word replace. I’m focused on cause & effect! Is Sam Darnold the best Player Seattle can acquire this year including the draft? Well according to Pete’s comments multiple times over the last 3 years YES and does the video evidence of Sam Darnold skill sets support Sam being the best player available to Seattle this year, in my opinion YES!
    Has Seattle put themselves in a flexible situation to acquire Donald when they should be selling out on the 2021 Super Bowl? Yes.

    When Seattle extends RW for cap relief then a RW trade for draft picks is off the table but no matter what if Darnold hits the market you buy him.


    I'd rather have TJack start for the Seahawks than Darnold. Factually that can't happen.
    Sticking to the facts - Russell Wilson has almost as many wins in his rookie season than Darnold has in his entire NFL career to date. The Seahawks were a 7-9 team when Russell took over. So it's not like Russell was placed on a winning team.
    Another fact, Pete Carroll sung praises of Taylor Mays yet he stayed away from drafting him, trading for him, or signing him. Sam Darnold seems to be the "Taylor Mays" of QBs. I believe Pete will stay away from him. He has $39 million dollars worth of reasons to. Which by the way, is another fact.


    He was placed on a team with a top 5 all time defense just hitting stride and a magically resilient RB who was the best runner in the league over a 5 year span. I'm not trying take away from him at all, but your point really needs to address these two factors. Russ was magic on play action and RPOs precisely because everyone knew Lynch was the focus of the offense. Russ had HoF worthy plays early in his career and we don't win a SB without him IMO, but when you hold teams to 13 or fewer points, it's easy for any QB to rack up wins. And I'll stress once more that this isn't a dig on Russell, he means way more to the team's success now than he did then though. I'm of the opinion that the offense should be (and should have been) tailored to his strengths, not an old school coach's fairly inflexible offensive philosophy. That's why BB has been consistently elite, he adjusts the game for the players he has.

    Now, I also don't think Russ is blameless for failure either. He leaves a lot of yards, firsts and TDs on the field trying to be magic and he eats up a ton of cap space. If he wants sustained success like Brady, he should take a look at amortizing his salary more to give the team more cap room. Maybe it won't work for this contract but it should be in his head if he re-signs here, which I sincerely hope he does. He and Ciara have and will continue to make plenty of money, he got to be the highest paid player of all time for the respect angle, if he wants more on field success, then he has to make sacrifices too.

    In short, if PC and RW want sustained elite success like BB and TB, then they have to do what those two did. Not the cheating, of course, but the legal football stuff.
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Tue Mar 30, 2021 5:12 pm
  • FattyKnuckle wrote:
    hawkfan68 wrote:
    FresnoHawk68 wrote:
    hawkfan68 wrote:
    I don't believe that for one second. Even Bill O'Brien wouldn't trade Russell Wilson for Darnold. No matter what package was offered in return. PC/JS make that move it would end their tenure in the NFL. Neither are that stupid.




    Well it’s developing and PC/JS would definitely replace RW with a better QB that isn’t as decorated as RW because RW choked in the playoffs! You cannot over look choking on the big stage ever ever ever!

    Your using the word trade I’m using the word replace. I’m focused on cause & effect! Is Sam Darnold the best Player Seattle can acquire this year including the draft? Well according to Pete’s comments multiple times over the last 3 years YES and does the video evidence of Sam Darnold skill sets support Sam being the best player available to Seattle this year, in my opinion YES!
    Has Seattle put themselves in a flexible situation to acquire Donald when they should be selling out on the 2021 Super Bowl? Yes.

    When Seattle extends RW for cap relief then a RW trade for draft picks is off the table but no matter what if Darnold hits the market you buy him.


    I'd rather have TJack start for the Seahawks than Darnold. Factually that can't happen.
    Sticking to the facts - Russell Wilson has almost as many wins in his rookie season than Darnold has in his entire NFL career to date. The Seahawks were a 7-9 team when Russell took over. So it's not like Russell was placed on a winning team.
    Another fact, Pete Carroll sung praises of Taylor Mays yet he stayed away from drafting him, trading for him, or signing him. Sam Darnold seems to be the "Taylor Mays" of QBs. I believe Pete will stay away from him. He has $39 million dollars worth of reasons to. Which by the way, is another fact.


    He was placed on a team with a top 5 all time defense just hitting stride and a magically resilient RB who was the best runner in the league over a 5 year span. I'm not trying take away from him at all, but your point really needs to address these two factors. Russ was magic on play action and RPOs precisely because everyone knew Lynch was the focus of the offense. Russ had HoF worthy plays early in his career and we don't win a SB without him IMO, but when you hold teams to 13 or fewer points, it's easy for any QB to rack up wins. And I'll stress once more that this isn't a dig on Russell, he means way more to the team's success now than he did then though. I'm of the opinion that the offense should be (and should have been) tailored to his strengths, not an old school coach's fairly inflexible offensive philosophy. That's why BB has been consistently elite, he adjusts the game for the players he has.

    Now, I also don't think Russ is blameless for failure either. He leaves a lot of yards, firsts and TDs on the field trying to be magic and he eats up a ton of cap space. If he wants sustained success like Brady, he should take a look at amortizing his salary more to give the team more cap room. Maybe it won't work for this contract but it should be in his head if he re-signs here, which I sincerely hope he does. He and Ciara have and will continue to make plenty of money, he got to be the highest paid player of all time for the respect angle, if he wants more on field success, then he has to make sacrifices too.

    In short, if PC and RW want sustained elite success like BB and TB, then they have to do what those two did. Not the cheating, of course, but the legal football stuff.
    Nah, Russ needs $$, he will need them when he buys a nfl franchise.

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Re: Trade Wilson now
Tue Mar 30, 2021 5:26 pm
  • toffee wrote:Eagles are stepping to the plate to offer whatever it takes to get Russ.

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    This one is actually interesting:

    Eagles give us potentially 4 first-round picks (1 this year, 3 next) and Jalen Hurts for Russell Wilson. 2022 picks would be dependent on finishing order of Eagles, Dolphins, and Colts. Not exactly powerhouses.

    Regardless of our opinions of Jalen Hurts, those firsts are interesting because they are not nearly-second-round picks (assuming Wentz plays 75% of Colts' snaps). They would likely be mid first-round.

    So just some white boarding here - imagine if we picked up Jaylen Waddle at 12. The receiver combo of Lockett-Waddle-Metcalf would be off-the-scale ridiculous in terms of speed and potential for those YAC yards.

    Yes, we have other needs, but let's play a bit long-term here. Wilson would blow our cap this year for sure. Way too much dead money. But next year, we're out from under Wilson's salary, have 3 first-round picks where we had none (worst case two and a extra second), a lot of cap room to spend, and that WR corps.

    That's not a terrible position to be in, to be honest. We could afford to make deep dives on both lines and the secondary.

    Before the Wilson-addicts chew me up, I am not Schneider making this trade - just putting it up on the whiteboard saying "what if".
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Re: Trade Wilson now
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  • KiwiHawk wrote:
    toffee wrote:Eagles are stepping to the plate to offer whatever it takes to get Russ.

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    This one is actually interesting:

    Eagles give us potentially 4 first-round picks (1 this year, 3 next) and Jalen Hurts for Russell Wilson. 2022 picks would be dependent on finishing order of Eagles, Dolphins, and Colts. Not exactly powerhouses.

    Regardless of our opinions of Jalen Hurts, those firsts are interesting because they are not nearly-second-round picks (assuming Wentz plays 75% of Colts' snaps). They would likely be mid first-round.

    So just some white boarding here - imagine if we picked up Jaylen Waddle at 12. The receiver combo of Lockett-Waddle-Metcalf would be off-the-scale ridiculous in terms of speed and potential for those YAC yards.

    Yes, we have other needs, but let's play a bit long-term here. Wilson would blow our cap this year for sure. Way too much dead money. But next year, we're out from under Wilson's salary, have 3 first-round picks where we had none (worst case two and a extra second), a lot of cap room to spend, and that WR corps.

    That's not a terrible position to be in, to be honest. We could afford to make deep dives on both lines and the secondary.

    Before the Wilson-addicts chew me up, I am not Schneider making this trade - just putting it up on the whiteboard saying "what if".
    Wilson's trade value next year likely to be lower than now. We haven't restructure his contract and he hasn't openly go on media about staying.

    To me, we are still in post Wilson era.

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Re: Trade Wilson now
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  • KiwiHawk wrote:That's not a terrible position to be in, to be honest. We could afford to make deep dives on both lines and the secondary. Before the Wilson-addicts chew me up, I am not Schneider making this trade - just putting it up on the whiteboard saying "what if".

    I agree that the Eagles make a lot more sense from the Hawks perspective than most of the other teams mentioned. However, I don't see Wilson waiving his no trade clause to play in front of a notoriously hyper-critical fanbase like the Eagles.
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Re: Trade Wilson now
Wed Mar 31, 2021 6:23 am
  • Lord Rodgers is plenty angry at his front office and his contract status. But, as usual, nobody bats an eye. And I seriously doubt half their fanbase is calling for him to be traded.
    Be careful what you wish for...……
    But hey, if you want to go back to 6 or 7 win seasons, max, maybe you'll get your wish someday.
    Only in Seattle :?
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Re: Trade Wilson now
Wed Mar 31, 2021 7:23 am
  • But....but.....the Media and fans say he's going to be traded.
    And after 7 months of ridiculous assumptions, he will be under center in 2021. An absolute waste of energy imo.
    NOT saying there isn't a little tension. Big deal, QB's having tension with coaches and/or the front office is nothing new. Many of the greats had friction w/their coaches or the front office.
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Re: Trade Wilson now
Wed Mar 31, 2021 8:59 am
  • I did a quick Russell Wilson Eagles google search and all it brought up was speculation. It looks like Dan Orlovsky said after Friday the Eagles have the draft capital to make that move and then it looks like some other media ran with it. Unless Orlovsky is a really dialed in Eagles insider this started with just him throwing it out there.
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Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:21 am
  • HawkRiderFan wrote:I did a quick Russell Wilson Eagles google search and all it brought up was speculation. It looks like Dan Orlovsky said after Friday the Eagles have the draft capital to make that move and then it looks like some other media ran with it. Unless Orlovsky is a really dialed in Eagles insider this started with just him throwing it out there.



    Yeah seen another story about the Packers Trading Rodgers also up, lots of click bait stories, hell I keep seeing new ones about Wilson almost daily, best 5 teams that could trade for Wilson, was the latest.

    It's like they don't know or care he has a no trade clause except for the teams he suggested and we don't even know if that's factual.
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  • SoulfishHawk wrote:Lord Rodgers is plenty angry at his front office and his contract status. But, as usual, nobody bats an eye. And I seriously doubt half their fanbase is calling for him to be traded.
    Be careful what you wish for...……
    But hey, if you want to go back to 6 or 7 win seasons, max, maybe you'll get your wish someday.
    Only in Seattle :?


    I just hope Rodgers doesn't have to pay taxes on all the free rent that guy seems to enjoy in a LOT of you guys' heads.
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Wed Mar 31, 2021 10:42 am
  • chris98251 wrote:
    HawkRiderFan wrote:I did a quick Russell Wilson Eagles google search and all it brought up was speculation. It looks like Dan Orlovsky said after Friday the Eagles have the draft capital to make that move and then it looks like some other media ran with it. Unless Orlovsky is a really dialed in Eagles insider this started with just him throwing it out there.



    Yeah seen another story about the Packers Trading Rodgers also up, lots of click bait stories, hell I keep seeing new ones about Wilson almost daily, best 5 teams that could trade for Wilson, was the latest.

    It's like they don't know or care he has a no trade clause except for the teams he suggested and we don't even know if that's factual.
    Click bait right here:

    Seahawks and Packets are considering swapping QBs.

    Lol

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Wed Mar 31, 2021 10:43 am
  • chris98251 wrote:
    HawkRiderFan wrote:I did a quick Russell Wilson Eagles google search and all it brought up was speculation. It looks like Dan Orlovsky said after Friday the Eagles have the draft capital to make that move and then it looks like some other media ran with it. Unless Orlovsky is a really dialed in Eagles insider this started with just him throwing it out there.



    Yeah seen another story about the Packers Trading Rodgers also up, lots of click bait stories, hell I keep seeing new ones about Wilson almost daily, best 5 teams that could trade for Wilson, was the latest.

    It's like they don't know or care he has a no trade clause except for the teams he suggested and we don't even know if that's factual.


    Perhaps I over-rate ESPN but I am disappointed that they seem to have jumped on board this same train. I can understand the NY guys on Get Up being the market they are in but the rest...
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Wed Mar 31, 2021 10:45 am
  • Point taken Fatty. However, I'm referring to the double standards that seem to only apply to Russ. And it has been that way for years. Rodgers is a whining b......always has been.
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  • The Eagles had the intention of drafting Wilson and got a bit too clever in their draft. I guess they figured with Jackson and Flynn we wouldn't be going for a QB. Regardless, it's a regret they would love to correct if given the chance. Since they have amassed 3 to 4 first round picks between the 2032 and 2022 drafts, they potentially have enough to make us an offer we can't refuse.

    The Eagles may not be on Wilson's approved list, but they are in a big market with lots of press. They are an old, storied NFL franchise. They would pay Wilson a lot of money. He might be talked into it.

    The Seahawks have been cash-strapped ever since breaking the bank for Wilson. Pete is a run-first, big D kind of guy, which he can't do while paying top-dollar for a QB that is arguably overqualified for the position. A cheaper "Wilson-lite" QB like Hurts and a slew of top draft picks could entice Pete to go back to the old plan.

    So a team looking for a QB, that has a chance to make right a mistake they made years ago, has the picks to make a deal, has a young mobile QB sort of like Wilson they could throw in the trade... As click-bait scenarios go, at least this one has enough supporting detail to be plausible.

    Of course the Lockett extension speaks otherwise, as does the addition of a passing OC and the addition of Gabe Jackson, but it's still not to late to pivot, theoretically, if the right deal presents itself.

    Having a QB like Wilson is a blessing, but it does come with that downside of not being able to put enough depth in other places due to him taking up so much of the cap. And when the guy causing the money shortage complains about lack of supporting cast, it never plays well with management and might give them pause for thought.

    For the record, I hate massive trade deals with tons of draft picks involved, because they go counter to the philosophy of parity that the league is supposed to be all about. Even when it's finally, possibly our turn to tip the scales our way.
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  • KiwiHawk wrote:The Eagles had the intention of drafting Wilson and got a bit too clever in their draft. I guess they figured with Jackson and Flynn we wouldn't be going for a QB. Regardless, it's a regret they would love to correct if given the chance. Since they have amassed 3 to 4 first round picks between the 2032 and 2022 drafts, they potentially have enough to make us an offer we can't refuse.

    The Eagles may not be on Wilson's approved list, but they are in a big market with lots of press. They are an old, storied NFL franchise. They would pay Wilson a lot of money. He might be talked into it.

    The Seahawks have been cash-strapped ever since breaking the bank for Wilson. Pete is a run-first, big D kind of guy, which he can't do while paying top-dollar for a QB that is arguably overqualified for the position. A cheaper "Wilson-lite" QB like Hurts and a slew of top draft picks could entice Pete to go back to the old plan.

    So a team looking for a QB, that has a chance to make right a mistake they made years ago, has the picks to make a deal, has a young mobile QB sort of like Wilson they could throw in the trade... As click-bait scenarios go, at least this one has enough supporting detail to be plausible.

    Of course the Lockett extension speaks otherwise, as does the addition of a passing OC and the addition of Gabe Jackson, but it's still not to late to pivot, theoretically, if the right deal presents itself.

    Having a QB like Wilson is a blessing, but it does come with that downside of not being able to put enough depth in other places due to him taking up so much of the cap. And when the guy causing the money shortage complains about lack of supporting cast, it never plays well with management and might give them pause for thought.

    For the record, I hate massive trade deals with tons of draft picks involved, because they go counter to the philosophy of parity that the league is supposed to be all about. Even when it's finally, possibly our turn to tip the scales our way.
    All good points about Philly. I would also add that they have an offensive-minded head coach, which certainly would be a requirement of RW’s. Their GM is sort of like Schneider in that he is not afraid to make big trades. That said, if I were RW, I’d stay away from Philly. It’s no secret that their fans and media are no picnic. Nobody is going to lob softballs like they do at our press conferences. And they’ll let him know when he gives non answers.


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Re: Trade Wilson now
Wed Mar 31, 2021 3:44 pm
  • AgentDib wrote:
    KiwiHawk wrote:That's not a terrible position to be in, to be honest. We could afford to make deep dives on both lines and the secondary. Before the Wilson-addicts chew me up, I am not Schneider making this trade - just putting it up on the whiteboard saying "what if".

    I agree that the Eagles make a lot more sense from the Hawks perspective than most of the other teams mentioned. However, I don't see Wilson waiving his no trade clause to play in front of a notoriously hyper-critical fanbase like the Eagles.
    good grief they cannot be worse than the fan base here that hates him so?
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Re: Trade Wilson now
Wed Mar 31, 2021 4:12 pm
  • brimsalabim wrote:
    AgentDib wrote:
    KiwiHawk wrote:That's not a terrible position to be in, to be honest. We could afford to make deep dives on both lines and the secondary. Before the Wilson-addicts chew me up, I am not Schneider making this trade - just putting it up on the whiteboard saying "what if".

    I agree that the Eagles make a lot more sense from the Hawks perspective than most of the other teams mentioned. However, I don't see Wilson waiving his no trade clause to play in front of a notoriously hyper-critical fanbase like the Eagles.
    good grief they cannot be worse than the fan base here that hates him so?


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Wed Mar 31, 2021 4:31 pm
  • brimsalabim wrote:
    AgentDib wrote:
    KiwiHawk wrote:That's not a terrible position to be in, to be honest. We could afford to make deep dives on both lines and the secondary. Before the Wilson-addicts chew me up, I am not Schneider making this trade - just putting it up on the whiteboard saying "what if".

    I agree that the Eagles make a lot more sense from the Hawks perspective than most of the other teams mentioned. However, I don't see Wilson waiving his no trade clause to play in front of a notoriously hyper-critical fanbase like the Eagles.
    good grief they cannot be worse than the fan base here that hates him so?

    Who here hates him?

    Don't mistake people who criticise one aspect of his game or another for "hating" him. He's not a perfect QB. He went through a 4-game stretch last season where he looked like he was playing with a concussion. Over those 4 games he threw 7 interceptions and in the last one had a 57 QB rating and 4.27 yards per attempt. That's highly unlike him. But it happened, so we can't pretend anyone who talks about it is anti-Wilson or hates him.

    Discussing a trade scenario that has been mentioned in sporting news sources isn't hatred, either. It's just talk. Speaking for myself, I have not posted anything in this thread suggesting Wilson is anything less than a top-flight QB worthy of 4 first-round picks and a promising 2nd-year QB. That's a king's ransom for one player.

    So go ahead, since the fan base here apparently "hates him so", it should be easy to name some names. Let's have them.
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Re: Trade Wilson now
Wed Mar 31, 2021 5:50 pm
  • KiwiHawk wrote:
    brimsalabim wrote:
    AgentDib wrote:
    KiwiHawk wrote:That's not a terrible position to be in, to be honest. We could afford to make deep dives on both lines and the secondary. Before the Wilson-addicts chew me up, I am not Schneider making this trade - just putting it up on the whiteboard saying "what if".

    I agree that the Eagles make a lot more sense from the Hawks perspective than most of the other teams mentioned. However, I don't see Wilson waiving his no trade clause to play in front of a notoriously hyper-critical fanbase like the Eagles.
    good grief they cannot be worse than the fan base here that hates him so?

    Who here hates him?

    Don't mistake people who criticise one aspect of his game or another for "hating" him. He's not a perfect QB. He went through a 4-game stretch last season where he looked like he was playing with a concussion. Over those 4 games he threw 7 interceptions and in the last one had a 57 QB rating and 4.27 yards per attempt. That's highly unlike him. But it happened, so we can't pretend anyone who talks about it is anti-Wilson or hates him.

    Discussing a trade scenario that has been mentioned in sporting news sources isn't hatred, either. It's just talk. Speaking for myself, I have not posted anything in this thread suggesting Wilson is anything less than a top-flight QB worthy of 4 first-round picks and a promising 2nd-year QB. That's a king's ransom for one player.

    So go ahead, since the fan base here apparently "hates him so", it should be easy to name some names. Let's have them.



    Tical enough said.
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Re: Trade Wilson now
Wed Mar 31, 2021 6:59 pm
  • KiwiHawk wrote:
    brimsalabim wrote:
    AgentDib wrote:
    KiwiHawk wrote:That's not a terrible position to be in, to be honest. We could afford to make deep dives on both lines and the secondary. Before the Wilson-addicts chew me up, I am not Schneider making this trade - just putting it up on the whiteboard saying "what if".

    I agree that the Eagles make a lot more sense from the Hawks perspective than most of the other teams mentioned. However, I don't see Wilson waiving his no trade clause to play in front of a notoriously hyper-critical fanbase like the Eagles.
    good grief they cannot be worse than the fan base here that hates him so?

    Who here hates him?

    Don't mistake people who criticise one aspect of his game or another for "hating" him. He's not a perfect QB. He went through a 4-game stretch last season where he looked like he was playing with a concussion. Over those 4 games he threw 7 interceptions and in the last one had a 57 QB rating and 4.27 yards per attempt. That's highly unlike him. But it happened, so we can't pretend anyone who talks about it is anti-Wilson or hates him.

    Discussing a trade scenario that has been mentioned in sporting news sources isn't hatred, either. It's just talk. Speaking for myself, I have not posted anything in this thread suggesting Wilson is anything less than a top-flight QB worthy of 4 first-round picks and a promising 2nd-year QB. That's a king's ransom for one player.

    So go ahead, since the fan base here apparently "hates him so", it should be easy to name some names. Let's have them.
    Well said!

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Re: Trade Wilson now
Thu Apr 01, 2021 1:30 am
  • brimsalabim wrote:
    AgentDib wrote:
    KiwiHawk wrote:That's not a terrible position to be in, to be honest. We could afford to make deep dives on both lines and the secondary. Before the Wilson-addicts chew me up, I am not Schneider making this trade - just putting it up on the whiteboard saying "what if".

    I agree that the Eagles make a lot more sense from the Hawks perspective than most of the other teams mentioned. However, I don't see Wilson waiving his no trade clause to play in front of a notoriously hyper-critical fanbase like the Eagles.
    good grief they cannot be worse than the fan base here that hates him so?

    Way, way, way, way, way worse. The first time he spins out of the pocket into a sack he will get booed in Philly.
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Re: Trade Wilson now
Thu Apr 01, 2021 2:25 am
  • AgentDib wrote:
    brimsalabim wrote:
    AgentDib wrote:
    KiwiHawk wrote:That's not a terrible position to be in, to be honest. We could afford to make deep dives on both lines and the secondary. Before the Wilson-addicts chew me up, I am not Schneider making this trade - just putting it up on the whiteboard saying "what if".

    I agree that the Eagles make a lot more sense from the Hawks perspective than most of the other teams mentioned. However, I don't see Wilson waiving his no trade clause to play in front of a notoriously hyper-critical fanbase like the Eagles.
    good grief they cannot be worse than the fan base here that hates him so?

    Way, way, way, way, way worse. The first time he spins out of the pocket into a sack he will get booed in Philly.
    Nah, that would be even worse than that big meanie Sherm. Gonna tell Pete to hush them up.

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Re: Trade Wilson now
Thu Apr 01, 2021 4:31 pm
  • It's difficult to find a toffee post that doesn't rip Russ to shreds. There are plenty of others here too.
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