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a Russell Wilson critique
Wed Apr 14, 2021 9:38 pm
  • Guaranteed some fans are not going to like this. But it's the offseason, and entertaining nonetheless.

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Re: a Russell Wilson critique
Wed Apr 14, 2021 9:55 pm
  • hoxrox wrote:Guaranteed some fans are not going to like this. But it's the offseason, and entertaining nonetheless.

    These two guys, they nailed Hollywood Russ.

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Re: a Russell Wilson critique
Wed Apr 14, 2021 10:03 pm
  • Who’s Emmanuel Acho? Sounds like a big sneeze to me
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Re: a Russell Wilson critique
Wed Apr 14, 2021 10:46 pm
  • what does pete carroll have to prove? that he can coach and strategize without being outsmarted. that he can have a winning season without russell wilson bailing him out in the 4th quarter. they wouldnt even win REGULAR season games without wilson, thats a fact. of course they cant go far in the playoffs, pete carroll is not a good coach.
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Re: a Russell Wilson critique
Wed Apr 14, 2021 10:48 pm
  • hawkfan68 wrote:Who’s Emmanuel Acho? Sounds like a big sneeze to me
    Acho is no body of course. He's totally unqualified to critique our St. Russell, who would have been the greatest QB in league history if that retard Pete Carroll hasn't been pulling him back with his outdated offense philosophies. Every Russell homers knew that.

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Re: a Russell Wilson critique
Thu Apr 15, 2021 12:38 am
  • I think Wilson does have something to prove. Do does PC and the whole team. For that matter every team does. This is a new season, everyone has something to prove.
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Re: a Russell Wilson critique
Thu Apr 15, 2021 2:04 am
  • The guy who had it good but wanted it better and made it worse.

    Thats a decent take to be fair.

    Ultimately I think it comes down to $600k versus $35m.
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Re: a Russell Wilson critique
Thu Apr 15, 2021 8:51 am
  • UK_Seahawk wrote:The guy who had it good but wanted it better and made it worse.

    Thats a decent take to be fair.

    Ultimately I think it comes down to $600k versus $35m.



    Maybe but on paper we are better, so is it really fair? Moe like the guy who had it good, and wanted it better gave the media something they could twist to get their clicks with. Also, there are people out there saying the exact opposite, that what Wilson did forced PC to rethink things for the better. Media 101 find something to latch on to, warp it, and take both extremes to get clicks.
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Re: a Russell Wilson critique
Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:18 am
  • hawkfan68 wrote:Who’s Emmanuel Acho? Sounds like a big sneeze to me


    He was actually a huge advocate for Russell Wilson being the league MVP, at midseason.
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Re: a Russell Wilson critique
Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:32 am
  • John63 wrote:
    UK_Seahawk wrote:The guy who had it good but wanted it better and made it worse.

    Thats a decent take to be fair.

    Ultimately I think it comes down to $600k versus $35m.



    Maybe but on paper we are better, so is it really fair? Moe like the guy who had it good, and wanted it better gave the media something they could twist to get their clicks with. Also, there are people out there saying the exact opposite, that what Wilson did forced PC to rethink things for the better. Media 101 find something to latch on to, warp it, and take both extremes to get clicks.


    I'm not just talking about his and the teams play. I feel like he's almost trying too hard to become something I'm not sure he is. To me he wants to be a celeb who plays football whereas before he was a footballer who almost accidentally became famous.

    Maybe that was always part of the plan?
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Re: a Russell Wilson critique
Thu Apr 15, 2021 11:17 am
  • UK_Seahawk wrote:
    John63 wrote:
    UK_Seahawk wrote:The guy who had it good but wanted it better and made it worse.

    Thats a decent take to be fair.

    Ultimately I think it comes down to $600k versus $35m.



    Maybe but on paper we are better, so is it really fair? Moe like the guy who had it good, and wanted it better gave the media something they could twist to get their clicks with. Also, there are people out there saying the exact opposite, that what Wilson did forced PC to rethink things for the better. Media 101 find something to latch on to, warp it, and take both extremes to get clicks.


    I'm not just talking about his and the teams play. I feel like he's almost trying too hard to become something I'm not sure he is. To me he wants to be a celeb who plays football whereas before he was a footballer who almost accidentally became famous.

    Maybe that was always part of the plan?


    Maybe but I don't see a celeb who wants to play football working as hard as Wilson does. I mean when Look online about Rodgers, Brady, Brees before he retied or most of the top QBs they all have a huge non football presence. So its not like Wilson is the only one. I just think in the day of social media, and paparazzi we hear about it more. I mean Joe Namath back in the day was more of a celeb than any of the QBs now with is fur coat, and parting. I dont think it's any of them wanting to be a celeb who plays football its just more media access, paparazzi, people always taking videos of athlete etc etc.
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Re: a Russell Wilson critique
Thu Apr 15, 2021 11:31 am
  • John63 wrote:
    UK_Seahawk wrote:The guy who had it good but wanted it better and made it worse.

    Thats a decent take to be fair.

    Ultimately I think it comes down to $600k versus $35m.



    Maybe but on paper we are better, so is it really fair? Moe like the guy who had it good, and wanted it better gave the media something they could twist to get their clicks with. Also, there are people out there saying the exact opposite, that what Wilson did forced PC to rethink things for the better. Media 101 find something to latch on to, warp it, and take both extremes to get clicks.


    You're causing and effecting Russell's public criticism for why we had a normal off season of player acquisition.

    I'm sure Pete and John have spoken to Russell post "hey I don't want to be traded, but here are the teams I want to be traded to"..........but I HIGHLY doubt any of it affected our off season moves.

    That's not what good teams do, make personnel moves because their players tell them to. They have entire scouting and personnel departments that help make those educated and calculated decisions.
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Re: a Russell Wilson critique
Thu Apr 15, 2021 12:54 pm
  • Sgt. Largent wrote:
    John63 wrote:
    UK_Seahawk wrote:The guy who had it good but wanted it better and made it worse.

    Thats a decent take to be fair.

    Ultimately I think it comes down to $600k versus $35m.



    Maybe but on paper we are better, so is it really fair? Moe like the guy who had it good, and wanted it better gave the media something they could twist to get their clicks with. Also, there are people out there saying the exact opposite, that what Wilson did forced PC to rethink things for the better. Media 101 find something to latch on to, warp it, and take both extremes to get clicks.


    You're causing and effecting Russell's public criticism for why we had a normal off season of player acquisition.

    I'm sure Pete and John have spoken to Russell post "hey I don't want to be traded, but here are the teams I want to be traded to"..........but I HIGHLY doubt any of it affected our off season moves.

    That's not what good teams do, make personnel moves because their players tell them to. They have entire scouting and personnel departments that help make those educated and calculated decisions.



    I never mentioned any of the player acquisition at all. As to good teams making moves because players told them too, hmm worked for Tampa Bay didn't it. But again no one said that. Rethinking things for the better does not mean Fa or Drafting, it can mean a lot of things. You are doing what the media did take something and twist it and run with it. That said since you brought it up, I do think this whole thing impacted what PC and the team has done and will do. we know it impacted some of the people we signed. Also, if you don't think that top QBs don't have a huge say or impact on FAs and the draft then you really don't understand the game. Heck Mahomes get 1 draft pick every year that he gets whoever he wants.
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Re: a Russell Wilson critique
Thu Apr 15, 2021 1:19 pm
  • John63 wrote:
    Sgt. Largent wrote:
    John63 wrote:
    UK_Seahawk wrote:The guy who had it good but wanted it better and made it worse.

    Thats a decent take to be fair.

    Ultimately I think it comes down to $600k versus $35m.



    Maybe but on paper we are better, so is it really fair? Moe like the guy who had it good, and wanted it better gave the media something they could twist to get their clicks with. Also, there are people out there saying the exact opposite, that what Wilson did forced PC to rethink things for the better. Media 101 find something to latch on to, warp it, and take both extremes to get clicks.


    You're causing and effecting Russell's public criticism for why we had a normal off season of player acquisition.

    I'm sure Pete and John have spoken to Russell post "hey I don't want to be traded, but here are the teams I want to be traded to"..........but I HIGHLY doubt any of it affected our off season moves.

    That's not what good teams do, make personnel moves because their players tell them to. They have entire scouting and personnel departments that help make those educated and calculated decisions.



    I never mentioned any of the player acquisition at all. As to good teams making moves because players told them too, hmm worked for Tampa Bay didn't it. But again no one said that. Rethinking things for the better does not mean Fa or Drafting, it can mean a lot of things. You are doing what the media did take something and twist it and run with it. That said since you brought it up, I do think this whole thing impacted what PC and the team has done and will do. we know it impacted some of the people we signed. Also, if you don't think that top QBs don't have a huge say or impact on FAs and the draft then you really don't understand the game. Heck Mahomes get 1 draft pick every year that he gets whoever he wants.


    No one knows if any of the free agent signings or moves the Hawks have made this year was impacted by Russell.

    Pete and John have said absolutely nothing to deny or confirm this, or have spoke about Russell's little tantrum at all.

    What you're saying is 100% conjecture.

    It's the off season, we're signing and extending players who we think will help us win. The End.
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Re: a Russell Wilson critique
Thu Apr 15, 2021 1:30 pm
  • Although it was a little difficult to listen through their over-the-top characterized delivery, I agree with just about everything they said. They didn't really cut Russ down. They merely just gave a summary of RWs career without rose colored glasses.

    UK_Seahawk wrote:The guy who had it good but wanted it better and made it worse.

    Thats a decent take to be fair.

    I liked that as well.

    UK_Seahawk wrote:Ultimately I think it comes down to $600k versus $35m.

    Right on. I think they should have mentioned this. It is a very glaring aspect of the current NFL.
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Re: a Russell Wilson critique
Thu Apr 15, 2021 4:07 pm
  • It was hard to watch, wonder what Russ is thinking right now. I think most of the time, these guys are just jealous of Wilson. I can totally see these guys are the same saying "Wilson isn't black enough" crowd. Every criticism they had pretty much applies to all QBs except for Brady.
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Re: a Russell Wilson critique
Thu Apr 15, 2021 9:13 pm
  • rcaido wrote:It was hard to watch, wonder what Russ is thinking right now. I think most of the time, these guys are just jealous of Wilson. I can totally see these guys are the same saying "Wilson isn't black enough" crowd. Every criticism they had pretty much applies to all QBs except for Brady.



    These black sports analysts NEVER liked Wilsom cause they said he wasn't "black enough", I dont trust their opinion.
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Re: a Russell Wilson critique
Sat Apr 17, 2021 5:25 pm
  • MD5eahawks wrote:Although it was a little difficult to listen through their over-the-top characterized delivery, I agree with just about everything they said. They didn't really cut Russ down. They merely just gave a summary of RWs career without rose colored glasses.

    UK_Seahawk wrote:The guy who had it good but wanted it better and made it worse.

    Thats a decent take to be fair.

    I liked that as well.

    UK_Seahawk wrote:Ultimately I think it comes down to $600k versus $35m.

    Right on. I think they should have mentioned this. It is a very glaring aspect of the current NFL.


    I think UK pulled the meat out of the thread right here. Although, I'll just add a couple more points for the folks that want to make it about something else:

    1) Pete Carroll is one of three football coaches to win both the Superbowl and NCAA championships. His last Superbowl was six years ago. The only coach to win more in that time is Belichick, whom we are 3-1 against. He coached up Carson Palmer and Matt Leinart to the highest achievement of their careers and got them the Heisman. Pete Carroll has won without Russell Wilson, but Wilson has never won without Pete Carroll. I understand being a fan is often about sticking with your favorites, but it doesn't make sense to say the guy with the proven track record is holding back the guy that's never done anything without him.

    2) Criticizing Russell Wilson is not 'jealousy' or a "not black enough" indictment. Both announcers had plenty of nice things to say about both white and black QBs (including Russell Wilson) and had very specific praise for Russ. The root of their criticism was 'new' vs 'old' Russ; the latter went to the Superbowl twice and won, the former has gone 1-4 in the playoffs and pointed fingers at everyone but himself. Football is a team sport. If Russ has gone 'hollywood' or "me first" that's a legit criticism.
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Re: a Russell Wilson critique
Sat Apr 17, 2021 8:05 pm
  • Own The West wrote:
    MD5eahawks wrote:Although it was a little difficult to listen through their over-the-top characterized delivery, I agree with just about everything they said. They didn't really cut Russ down. They merely just gave a summary of RWs career without rose colored glasses.

    UK_Seahawk wrote:The guy who had it good but wanted it better and made it worse.

    Thats a decent take to be fair.

    I liked that as well.

    UK_Seahawk wrote:Ultimately I think it comes down to $600k versus $35m.

    Right on. I think they should have mentioned this. It is a very glaring aspect of the current NFL.


    I think UK pulled the meat out of the thread right here. Although, I'll just add a couple more points for the folks that want to make it about something else:

    1) Pete Carroll is one of three football coaches to win both the Superbowl and NCAA championships. His last Superbowl was six years ago. The only coach to win more in that time is Belichick, whom we are 3-1 against. He coached up Carson Palmer and Matt Leinart to the highest achievement of their careers and got them the Heisman. Pete Carroll has won without Russell Wilson, but Wilson has never won without Pete Carroll. I understand being a fan is often about sticking with your favorites, but it doesn't make sense to say the guy with the proven track record is holding back the guy that's never done anything without him.

    2) Criticizing Russell Wilson is not 'jealousy' or a "not black enough" indictment. Both announcers had plenty of nice things to say about both white and black QBs (including Russell Wilson) and had very specific praise for Russ. The root of their criticism was 'new' vs 'old' Russ; the latter went to the Superbowl twice and won, the former has gone 1-4 in the playoffs and pointed fingers at everyone but himself. Football is a team sport. If Russ has gone 'hollywood' or "me first" that's a legit criticism.
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Re: a Russell Wilson critique
Sat Apr 17, 2021 8:44 pm
  • Own The West wrote:
    MD5eahawks wrote:Although it was a little difficult to listen through their over-the-top characterized delivery, I agree with just about everything they said. They didn't really cut Russ down. They merely just gave a summary of RWs career without rose colored glasses.

    UK_Seahawk wrote:The guy who had it good but wanted it better and made it worse.

    Thats a decent take to be fair.

    I liked that as well.

    UK_Seahawk wrote:Ultimately I think it comes down to $600k versus $35m.

    Right on. I think they should have mentioned this. It is a very glaring aspect of the current NFL.


    I think UK pulled the meat out of the thread right here. Although, I'll just add a couple more points for the folks that want to make it about something else:

    1) Pete Carroll is one of three football coaches to win both the Superbowl and NCAA championships. His last Superbowl was six years ago. The only coach to win more in that time is Belichick, whom we are 3-1 against. He coached up Carson Palmer and Matt Leinart to the highest achievement of their careers and got them the Heisman. Pete Carroll has won without Russell Wilson, but Wilson has never won without Pete Carroll. I understand being a fan is often about sticking with your favorites, but it doesn't make sense to say the guy with the proven track record is holding back the guy that's never done anything without him.

    2) Criticizing Russell Wilson is not 'jealousy' or a "not black enough" indictment. Both announcers had plenty of nice things to say about both white and black QBs (including Russell Wilson) and had very specific praise for Russ. The root of their criticism was 'new' vs 'old' Russ; the latter went to the Superbowl twice and won, the former has gone 1-4 in the playoffs and pointed fingers at everyone but himself. Football is a team sport. If Russ has gone 'hollywood' or "me first" that's a legit criticism.



    Except once again Wilson said in the article that started it that he needed to get better. Amazing how people are so.quick to forget that just so they can try to make it look like ne take no responsibility when clearly he did. Also I don't recall him calling out anyone, he said he is tired of getting hit and that qe need to get better and I, meaning Wilson, needs to get better. No names other than his, no position groups just we and me. Any attempt by anyone to try to pretend like they know he was calling out a person or group are just assuming. Many things go into blocking; play call and design, olinr, qb, wra , rbs, tes, down and distance etc. Given Wilson's statement was we and me, meaning Wilson the reality is it could be anyone, or groups or coaches al all of the above. So these to so called experts just did what a lot have done..assume. why simple clicks.
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Re: a Russell Wilson critique
Sun Apr 18, 2021 8:33 pm
  • Own The West wrote:
    MD5eahawks wrote:Although it was a little difficult to listen through their over-the-top characterized delivery, I agree with just about everything they said. They didn't really cut Russ down. They merely just gave a summary of RWs career without rose colored glasses.

    UK_Seahawk wrote:The guy who had it good but wanted it better and made it worse.

    Thats a decent take to be fair.

    I liked that as well.

    UK_Seahawk wrote:Ultimately I think it comes down to $600k versus $35m.

    Right on. I think they should have mentioned this. It is a very glaring aspect of the current NFL.


    I think UK pulled the meat out of the thread right here. Although, I'll just add a couple more points for the folks that want to make it about something else:

    1) Pete Carroll is one of three football coaches to win both the Superbowl and NCAA championships. His last Superbowl was six years ago. The only coach to win more in that time is Belichick, whom we are 3-1 against. He coached up Carson Palmer and Matt Leinart to the highest achievement of their careers and got them the Heisman. Pete Carroll has won without Russell Wilson, but Wilson has never won without Pete Carroll. I understand being a fan is often about sticking with your favorites, but it doesn't make sense to say the guy with the proven track record is holding back the guy that's never done anything without him.

    2) Criticizing Russell Wilson is not 'jealousy' or a "not black enough" indictment. Both announcers had plenty of nice things to say about both white and black QBs (including Russell Wilson) and had very specific praise for Russ. The root of their criticism was 'new' vs 'old' Russ; the latter went to the Superbowl twice and won, the former has gone 1-4 in the playoffs and pointed fingers at everyone but himself. Football is a team sport. If Russ has gone 'hollywood' or "me first" that's a legit criticism.



    Spot on, well said
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Re: a Russell Wilson critique
Sun Apr 18, 2021 8:44 pm
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    hawkfan68 wrote:Who’s Emmanuel Acho? Sounds like a big sneeze to me
    Acho is no body of course. He's totally unqualified to critique our St. Russell, who would have been the greatest QB in league history if that retard Pete Carroll hasn't been pulling him back with his outdated offense philosophies. Every Russell homers knew that.

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    You’re absolutely right.

    St. Russell has been crapped on by fans like yourself since entering the league. In fact, Acho himself doesn’t give Russ much credit for the initial success of the Seahawks.


    All the numbers, efficiency, and historical facts point to Russell Wilson being crucial to Pete Carroll’s success. All the facts suggest (unlike what they stated) that the Seahawks spent the bulk of 2012-2020 doing it Pete Carroll’s way. And we’ve had nothing but first round exits since 2014.

    Tom Brady was also critical to Belicheck’s success. Up until last year, people thought it was the other way around. So perhaps, the only way Russ will shut people up is by demanding a trade and succeeding elsewhere? If he was truly egotistical, that’s what he would have done. Instead he decided to stay and work with Pete.

    The Seahawks need Russ more than Russ needs the Seahawks. He hasn’t gotten the adoration, respect, or investment in him that the Colts, Patriots, Bills, Chiefs, etc have given to their star QBs from a scheme/personnel standup until last year.
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Re: a Russell Wilson critique
Sun Apr 18, 2021 9:01 pm
  • Own The West wrote:
    MD5eahawks wrote:Although it was a little difficult to listen through their over-the-top characterized delivery, I agree with just about everything they said. They didn't really cut Russ down. They merely just gave a summary of RWs career without rose colored glasses.

    UK_Seahawk wrote:The guy who had it good but wanted it better and made it worse.

    Thats a decent take to be fair.

    I liked that as well.

    UK_Seahawk wrote:Ultimately I think it comes down to $600k versus $35m.

    Right on. I think they should have mentioned this. It is a very glaring aspect of the current NFL.


    I think UK pulled the meat out of the thread right here. Although, I'll just add a couple more points for the folks that want to make it about something else:

    1) Pete Carroll is one of three football coaches to win both the Superbowl and NCAA championships. His last Superbowl was six years ago. The only coach to win more in that time is Belichick, whom we are 3-1 against. He coached up Carson Palmer and Matt Leinart to the highest achievement of their careers and got them the Heisman. Pete Carroll has won without Russell Wilson, but Wilson has never won without Pete Carroll. I understand being a fan is often about sticking with your favorites, but it doesn't make sense to say the guy with the proven track record is holding back the guy that's never done anything without him.

    2) Criticizing Russell Wilson is not 'jealousy' or a "not black enough" indictment. Both announcers had plenty of nice things to say about both white and black QBs (including Russell Wilson) and had very specific praise for Russ. The root of their criticism was 'new' vs 'old' Russ; the latter went to the Superbowl twice and won, the former has gone 1-4 in the playoffs and pointed fingers at everyone but himself. Football is a team sport. If Russ has gone 'hollywood' or "me first" that's a legit criticism.



    I have watched and listened to Emmanuel Acho since he was on ESPN. He has never been super high on Russ’ greatness as a QB. And his contribution during the LOB years. Also, them being black has nothing to do with their fairness towards Russ. Russ’ first few years was filled with him being treated like an afterthought and getting those nasty “not black enough” garbage thrown at him.

    Their criticism reaks of criticizing “uppity Russ” and “not knowing your place” Russ. Russ simply demanded the things that several great white QBs (mostly) have gotten without asking. A level of respect and love that other QBs have gotten. Such as as an O-linemen who is actually ranked higher than top 10 in pass blocking. And maybe perhaps giving your QB more than Jermaine Kearse and Paul Richardson as options to throw to. Or, not being at the bottom in O-line spending. It’s the equivalent of getting your wife a crappy gift every now and then because you believe she’ll never leave. Besides who would want her right? Besides, you pay the bills, why is she complaining??

    There is also this narrative that Russ, despite getting paid about the same market rate as Aaron Rodgers, Jared Goff, and others...should take less money. Because apparently, Russ takes up 80% of the cap and is the main reason we are at the BOTTOM in O-line spending.

    Nick Saban is a GOAT college coach. He flopped at the NFL level. Belicheck had a losing record pre-Brady. So did most great coaches in league history. Fact is, Carroll has NEVER won without Russ. If you believe that Russ would not win elsewhere, I would be willing to bet both of our houses that Russ would have more success than Carroll. This is a Quarterback league. Star Qbs are the reason franchises like the Seahawks have maintained their value as a franchise and the reason Pete still has his job. This isn’t a feeling. This is simple NFL history.

    I for one, love that Russ put his foot down. He showed he no longer cared about anyone’s opinion. That he wasn’t the quiet black QB just there to never speak up and voice his frustrations (McNabb, Vick, Cam, and several others were). He spoke up, and he has essentially carried the team since 2015. Despite poor drafting and signings by Pete/JS. When people don’t give you the respect you deserve, you kick down the door and take it. That’s what Russ should do, or go to a team that will treat him with respect without him having to beg for it.
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Re: a Russell Wilson critique
Mon Apr 19, 2021 8:18 am
  • Scorpion05 wrote:
    toffee wrote:
    hawkfan68 wrote:Who’s Emmanuel Acho? Sounds like a big sneeze to me
    Acho is no body of course. He's totally unqualified to critique our St. Russell, who would have been the greatest QB in league history if that retard Pete Carroll hasn't been pulling him back with his outdated offense philosophies. Every Russell homers knew that.

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    You’re absolutely right.

    St. Russell has been crapped on by fans like yourself since entering the league. In fact, Acho himself doesn’t give Russ much credit for the initial success of the Seahawks.


    All the numbers, efficiency, and historical facts point to Russell Wilson being crucial to Pete Carroll’s success. All the facts suggest (unlike what they stated) that the Seahawks spent the bulk of 2012-2020 doing it Pete Carroll’s way. And we’ve had nothing but first round exits since 2014.

    Tom Brady was also critical to Belicheck’s success. Up until last year, people thought it was the other way around. So perhaps, the only way Russ will shut people up is by demanding a trade and succeeding elsewhere? If he was truly egotistical, that’s what he would have done. Instead he decided to stay and work with Pete.

    The Seahawks need Russ more than Russ needs the Seahawks. He hasn’t gotten the adoration, respect, or investment in him that the Colts, Patriots, Bills, Chiefs, etc have given to their star QBs from a scheme/personnel standup until last year.
    Emmanuel Acho was POS, unworthy to be mentioned in the same breath with our Saint Russell, who's full of grace, has the strongest of arms and highest if IQ.

    12s are so blessed, time to turn the team over to him, fire Pete and John, just the Saint come marching in.

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Re: a Russell Wilson critique
Mon Apr 19, 2021 11:19 am
  • Lot of good stuff in there.

    One that stood out, always going deep, not checking down or going underneath. Now was that scheme or just Russ not looking down- ultimately we don't know. We have a new OC now so that will be telling. But that was my biggest gripe at the end of last year. Stop looking for the bomb, stop holding onto the ball for 5 seconds. Quick throws are there, use them. Tom Brady beat us the second super bowl by doing two things, throwing quick check downs to the RB and little option routes to Edelman. Why can't we do that when Donald is eating Pocics lunch?!?!?

    Russ has never been criticized for the ending of that super bowl.

    Russ has gone Hollywood. I just saw him on the tonight show a few nights ago. Doesn't have to be a bad thing, he still puts in the work.... we know cause he tweets about it lol.


    I believe it was UK, ultimately it comes down to 35 Million of cap for one player. Unless your QB is Tom Brady your team wont win a Superbowl doing that.....
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Re: a Russell Wilson critique
Mon Apr 19, 2021 11:22 am
  • Scorpion05 wrote:
    Own The West wrote:
    MD5eahawks wrote:Although it was a little difficult to listen through their over-the-top characterized delivery, I agree with just about everything they said. They didn't really cut Russ down. They merely just gave a summary of RWs career without rose colored glasses.

    UK_Seahawk wrote:The guy who had it good but wanted it better and made it worse.

    Thats a decent take to be fair.

    I liked that as well.

    UK_Seahawk wrote:Ultimately I think it comes down to $600k versus $35m.

    Right on. I think they should have mentioned this. It is a very glaring aspect of the current NFL.


    I think UK pulled the meat out of the thread right here. Although, I'll just add a couple more points for the folks that want to make it about something else:

    1) Pete Carroll is one of three football coaches to win both the Superbowl and NCAA championships. His last Superbowl was six years ago. The only coach to win more in that time is Belichick, whom we are 3-1 against. He coached up Carson Palmer and Matt Leinart to the highest achievement of their careers and got them the Heisman. Pete Carroll has won without Russell Wilson, but Wilson has never won without Pete Carroll. I understand being a fan is often about sticking with your favorites, but it doesn't make sense to say the guy with the proven track record is holding back the guy that's never done anything without him.

    2) Criticizing Russell Wilson is not 'jealousy' or a "not black enough" indictment. Both announcers had plenty of nice things to say about both white and black QBs (including Russell Wilson) and had very specific praise for Russ. The root of their criticism was 'new' vs 'old' Russ; the latter went to the Superbowl twice and won, the former has gone 1-4 in the playoffs and pointed fingers at everyone but himself. Football is a team sport. If Russ has gone 'hollywood' or "me first" that's a legit criticism.



    I have watched and listened to Emmanuel Acho since he was on ESPN. He has never been super high on Russ’ greatness as a QB. And his contribution during the LOB years. Also, them being black has nothing to do with their fairness towards Russ. Russ’ first few years was filled with him being treated like an afterthought and getting those nasty “not black enough” garbage thrown at him.

    Their criticism reaks of criticizing “uppity Russ” and “not knowing your place” Russ. Russ simply demanded the things that several great white QBs (mostly) have gotten without asking. A level of respect and love that other QBs have gotten. Such as as an O-linemen who is actually ranked higher than top 10 in pass blocking. And maybe perhaps giving your QB more than Jermaine Kearse and Paul Richardson as options to throw to. Or, not being at the bottom in O-line spending. It’s the equivalent of getting your wife a crappy gift every now and then because you believe she’ll never leave. Besides who would want her right? Besides, you pay the bills, why is she complaining??

    There is also this narrative that Russ, despite getting paid about the same market rate as Aaron Rodgers, Jared Goff, and others...should take less money. Because apparently, Russ takes up 80% of the cap and is the main reason we are at the BOTTOM in O-line spending.

    Nick Saban is a GOAT college coach. He flopped at the NFL level. Belicheck had a losing record pre-Brady. So did most great coaches in league history. Fact is, Carroll has NEVER won without Russ. If you believe that Russ would not win elsewhere, I would be willing to bet both of our houses that Russ would have more success than Carroll. This is a Quarterback league. Star Qbs are the reason franchises like the Seahawks have maintained their value as a franchise and the reason Pete still has his job. This isn’t a feeling. This is simple NFL history.

    I for one, love that Russ put his foot down. He showed he no longer cared about anyone’s opinion. That he wasn’t the quiet black QB just there to never speak up and voice his frustrations (McNabb, Vick, Cam, and several others were). He spoke up, and he has essentially carried the team since 2015. Despite poor drafting and signings by Pete/JS. When people don’t give you the respect you deserve, you kick down the door and take it. That’s what Russ should do, or go to a team that will treat him with respect without him having to beg for it.



    The funny part is most if not all the narrative are completely factually wrong.Example the oline can't improve due to Wilson salary The oline has been bad since PC got here that is 6 years before Wilson first big contract and guess what they did nothing. I am glad you mentioned the color thing, because that is exactly the biggest issue.
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Re: a Russell Wilson critique
Mon Apr 19, 2021 11:39 am
  • John63 wrote:

    The funny part is most if not all the narrative are completely factually wrong.Example the oline can't improve due to Wilson salary The oline has been bad since PC got here that is 6 years before Wilson first big contract and guess what they did nothing. I am glad you mentioned the color thing, because that is exactly the biggest issue.


    When the Seahawks won the Superbowl they had the most expensive Oline in the league.
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Re: a Russell Wilson critique
Mon Apr 19, 2021 12:10 pm
  • John63 wrote:
    The funny part is most if not all the narrative are completely factually wrong.Example the oline can't improve due to Wilson salary The oline has been bad since PC got here that is 6 years before Wilson first big contract and guess what they did nothing. I am glad you mentioned the color thing, because that is exactly the biggest issue.


    The lack of spending and picks on the O-line is a byproduct of the bigger issue.

    Russell wants the team to go through him, he wants most of the cap spent on getting him that elite O-line and deep WR support so HE can be the team........and Pete wants the team built through the defense and run game.

    Simplistic explanation, because of course Pete wants Russell to succeed, just not to the level that satisfies Russell.

    So sure, spend more money and draft capital on the O-line, but with Russell soaking up 25% of the cap, then he and others who agree with that approach need to tell us where you're taking that cap from.
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Re: a Russell Wilson critique
Mon Apr 19, 2021 1:02 pm
  • Scorpion05 wrote:
    The Seahawks need Russ more than Russ needs the Seahawks. He hasn’t gotten the adoration, respect, or investment in him that the Colts, Patriots, Bills, Chiefs, etc have given to their star QBs from a scheme/personnel standup until last year.


    He's was ranked #2 last year, so I think he gets plenty of respect. However, he hasn't gotten a single MVP vote for a reason.
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Re: a Russell Wilson critique
Mon Apr 19, 2021 1:16 pm
  • gowazzu02 wrote:
    I believe it was UK, ultimately it comes down to 35 Million of cap for one player. Unless your QB is Tom Brady your team wont win a Superbowl doing that.....


    Yup and despite calls for better o-line and more weapons, Pete and JS are still building defense. Because they know that defense wins championships.
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Re: a Russell Wilson critique
Mon Apr 19, 2021 2:08 pm
  • hoxrox wrote:Guaranteed some fans are not going to like this. But it's the offseason, and entertaining nonetheless.



    Been saying what I've been saying for the last several years.
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Re: a Russell Wilson critique
Mon Apr 19, 2021 2:14 pm
  • UK_Seahawk wrote:
    John63 wrote:

    The funny part is most if not all the narrative are completely factually wrong.Example the oline can't improve due to Wilson salary The oline has been bad since PC got here that is 6 years before Wilson first big contract and guess what they did nothing. I am glad you mentioned the color thing, because that is exactly the biggest issue.


    When the Seahawks won the Superbowl they had the most expensive Oline in the league.



    Most expensive does not equate to how good they are.In fact from a pass blocking perspective they were bottom 7.
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Re: a Russell Wilson critique
Mon Apr 19, 2021 2:19 pm
  • UK_Seahawk wrote:The guy who had it good but wanted it better and made it worse.

    Thats a decent take to be fair.

    Ultimately I think it comes down to $600k versus $35m.


    That's true to a good extent.

    But other QBs have made it an AFC/NFC Championship Game/Super Bowl with far higher cap hits than $600k. Can't be used as an excuse.

    Which means, In hindsight that the Seahawk roster 2012-2014 was even better than originally thought. Compare the 2014 NFC Championship Game versus anything the last few years. How could a recent Seahawk team lose a playoff game with that level of tenacity?

    Remember that a thousand game streak of having a lead at some point in the game? Or similar streak never losing by more than a TD.

    Epic stuff.
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Re: a Russell Wilson critique
Mon Apr 19, 2021 2:24 pm
  • It's on Carroll/Schneider to rebuild the defense and find a way to get a top flight running game.

    It doesn't need to be #1 in points allowed in defense but something maybe top 5-10.

    Might need a top 3 RB. A Derrick Henry would keep me up at night.

    But as mentioned before, postseason Wilson is not quite the same as peak regular season Wilson.

    Only 2015 Carolina and 2016 Atlanta scored more than 30 points against the Seahawks. Every other postseason game has been 30 points and under.
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Re: a Russell Wilson critique
Mon Apr 19, 2021 2:25 pm
  • hoxrox wrote:
    gowazzu02 wrote:
    I believe it was UK, ultimately it comes down to 35 Million of cap for one player. Unless your QB is Tom Brady your team wont win a Superbowl doing that.....


    Yup and despite calls for better o-line and more weapons, Pete and JS are still building defense. Because they know that defense wins championships.



    Hmm had a top 10 defense in 2011 and were 7-9. Yes a great defense is important but you still need to score. A perfect example is last years top scoring defense was LAR and at least in large part to not having a good QB they did not even get to the SB. I can go on. A great defense alone will not win you anything, you need offense as well.
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Re: a Russell Wilson critique
Mon Apr 19, 2021 2:26 pm
  • John63 wrote:
    UK_Seahawk wrote:
    John63 wrote:

    The funny part is most if not all the narrative are completely factually wrong.Example the oline can't improve due to Wilson salary The oline has been bad since PC got here that is 6 years before Wilson first big contract and guess what they did nothing. I am glad you mentioned the color thing, because that is exactly the biggest issue.


    When the Seahawks won the Superbowl they had the most expensive Oline in the league.



    Most expensive does not equate to how good they are.In fact from a pass blocking perspective they were bottom 7.


    Hard to be elite at pass blocking and run blocking in the modern day. 49ers under Harbaugh were much the same way.

    Elite run blocking helps Seattle more than great pass blocking.

    Wilson benefits less from great pass blocking than other QBs, but a tough to stop run game makes the Seahawks very hard to stop.
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Re: a Russell Wilson critique
Mon Apr 19, 2021 2:43 pm
  • NINEster wrote:It's on Carroll/Schneider to rebuild the defense and find a way to get a top flight running game.

    It doesn't need to be #1 in points allowed in defense but something maybe top 5-10.

    Might need a top 3 RB. A Derrick Henry would keep me up at night.

    But as mentioned before, postseason Wilson is not quite the same as peak regular season Wilson.

    Only 2015 Carolina and 2016 Atlanta scored more than 30 points against the Seahawks. Every other postseason game has been 30 points and under.



    That's what I'm banking on. A top 5-10 defense. If that can happen this year, with fans back in the stands, very excited about the upcoming season.

    Derrick Henry? I wish.

    Post season Wilson? Shoot, rather have 2005 post-season Hass at this point. Until proven otherwise, that is.
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Re: a Russell Wilson critique
Mon Apr 19, 2021 3:11 pm
  • John63 wrote:
    hoxrox wrote:
    gowazzu02 wrote:
    I believe it was UK, ultimately it comes down to 35 Million of cap for one player. Unless your QB is Tom Brady your team wont win a Superbowl doing that.....


    Yup and despite calls for better o-line and more weapons, Pete and JS are still building defense. Because they know that defense wins championships.



    Hmm had a top 10 defense in 2011 and were 7-9. Yes a great defense is important but you still need to score. A perfect example is last years top scoring defense was LAR and at least in large part to not having a good QB they did not even get to the SB. I can go on. A great defense alone will not win you anything, you need offense as well.


    Of course you still need offense. You need balance - the Bucs were very balanced. But if you had only 10 eggs, I would put 6 of those eggs into building a dominate defense.

    If you're into fantasy football, go offense. If you're into championships, go defense.
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Re: a Russell Wilson critique
Mon Apr 19, 2021 3:20 pm
  • hoxrox wrote:
    NINEster wrote:It's on Carroll/Schneider to rebuild the defense and find a way to get a top flight running game.

    It doesn't need to be #1 in points allowed in defense but something maybe top 5-10.

    Might need a top 3 RB. A Derrick Henry would keep me up at night.

    But as mentioned before, postseason Wilson is not quite the same as peak regular season Wilson.

    Only 2015 Carolina and 2016 Atlanta scored more than 30 points against the Seahawks. Every other postseason game has been 30 points and under.



    That's what I'm banking on. A top 5-10 defense. If that can happen this year, with fans back in the stands, very excited about the upcoming season.

    Derrick Henry? I wish.

    Post season Wilson? Shoot, rather have 2005 post-season Hass at this point. Until proven otherwise, that is.



    Point of note very few QBs regular season stats and post season stats are close to the same. Even the supposed Goat Brady has a 7+ point drop in Qb rating in the post season. Mahomes has an 8+ point drop. Rodgers a 4 point, So you know Wilson is just 6 points.


    As to Hasselbeck lets look at that , ahh his regular season and playoff Qb ratrings are both sub 85., HIs the best Playoff Qb rating was 101 and his 2005 Qb rating was 89 and his worst was 67. To compare Wilsons worse Qb rating in the playoffs was 72, his best 107 (2019 season) his avg 96. He has only been below 90 2 times out of his 8 playoff years. Hass has been below 90 4 of his 6 times in the playoffs.

    So, once again the Facts show the whole premise is wrong.
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Re: a Russell Wilson critique
Mon Apr 19, 2021 3:21 pm
  • John63 wrote:
    hoxrox wrote:
    NINEster wrote:It's on Carroll/Schneider to rebuild the defense and find a way to get a top flight running game.

    It doesn't need to be #1 in points allowed in defense but something maybe top 5-10.

    Might need a top 3 RB. A Derrick Henry would keep me up at night.

    But as mentioned before, postseason Wilson is not quite the same as peak regular season Wilson.

    Only 2015 Carolina and 2016 Atlanta scored more than 30 points against the Seahawks. Every other postseason game has been 30 points and under.



    That's what I'm banking on. A top 5-10 defense. If that can happen this year, with fans back in the stands, very excited about the upcoming season.

    Derrick Henry? I wish.

    Post season Wilson? Shoot, rather have 2005 post-season Hass at this point. Until proven otherwise, that is.



    Point of note very few QBs regular season stats and post season stats are close to the same. Even the supposed Goat Brady has a 7+ point drop in Qb rating in the post season. Mahomes has an 8+ point drop. Rodgers a 4 point, So you know Wilson is just 6 points.


    As to Hasselbeck lets look at that , ahh his regular season and playoff Qb ratrings are both sub 85., HIs the best Playoff Qb rating was 101 and his 2005 Qb rating was 89 and his worst was 67. To compare Wilsons worse Qb rating in the playoffs was 72, his best 107 (2019 season) his avg 96. He has only been below 90 2 times out of his 8 playoff years. Hass has been below 90 4 of his 6 times in the playoffs.

    So, once again the Facts show the whole premise is wrong.


    QBR only goes up to 100. Do you mean passer rating?
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Re: a Russell Wilson critique
Mon Apr 19, 2021 3:21 pm
  • hoxrox wrote:
    John63 wrote:
    hoxrox wrote:
    gowazzu02 wrote:
    I believe it was UK, ultimately it comes down to 35 Million of cap for one player. Unless your QB is Tom Brady your team wont win a Superbowl doing that.....


    Yup and despite calls for better o-line and more weapons, Pete and JS are still building defense. Because they know that defense wins championships.



    Hmm had a top 10 defense in 2011 and were 7-9. Yes a great defense is important but you still need to score. A perfect example is last years top scoring defense was LAR and at least in large part to not having a good QB they did not even get to the SB. I can go on. A great defense alone will not win you anything, you need offense as well.


    Of course you still need offense. You need balance - the Bucs were very balanced. But if you had only 10 eggs, I would put 6 of those eggs into building a dominate defense.

    If you're into fantasy football, go offense. If you're into championships, go defense.


    and if you look at what they have been doing in fa that is about right so far 60/40
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Re: a Russell Wilson critique
Mon Apr 19, 2021 5:20 pm
  • John63 wrote:
    hoxrox wrote:
    NINEster wrote:It's on Carroll/Schneider to rebuild the defense and find a way to get a top flight running game.

    It doesn't need to be #1 in points allowed in defense but something maybe top 5-10.

    Might need a top 3 RB. A Derrick Henry would keep me up at night.

    But as mentioned before, postseason Wilson is not quite the same as peak regular season Wilson.

    Only 2015 Carolina and 2016 Atlanta scored more than 30 points against the Seahawks. Every other postseason game has been 30 points and under.



    That's what I'm banking on. A top 5-10 defense. If that can happen this year, with fans back in the stands, very excited about the upcoming season.

    Derrick Henry? I wish.

    Post season Wilson? Shoot, rather have 2005 post-season Hass at this point. Until proven otherwise, that is.



    Point of note very few QBs regular season stats and post season stats are close to the same. Even the supposed Goat Brady has a 7+ point drop in Qb rating in the post season. Mahomes has an 8+ point drop. Rodgers a 4 point, So you know Wilson is just 6 points.


    As to Hasselbeck lets look at that , ahh his regular season and playoff Qb ratrings are both sub 85., HIs the best Playoff Qb rating was 101 and his 2005 Qb rating was 89 and his worst was 67. To compare Wilsons worse Qb rating in the playoffs was 72, his best 107 (2019 season) his avg 96. He has only been below 90 2 times out of his 8 playoff years. Hass has been below 90 4 of his 6 times in the playoffs.

    So, once again the Facts show the whole premise is wrong.


    I don't know. You can use numbers to make any argument. I just remember Hass was called "Mr. December" for a reason. He was very good toward the end of the season when it mattered. Russ is like "Mr. September" Still waiting for him to put together a complete season.
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Re: a Russell Wilson critique
Mon Apr 19, 2021 5:46 pm
  • Maelstrom787 wrote:
    John63 wrote:
    hoxrox wrote:
    NINEster wrote:It's on Carroll/Schneider to rebuild the defense and find a way to get a top flight running game.

    It doesn't need to be #1 in points allowed in defense but something maybe top 5-10.

    Might need a top 3 RB. A Derrick Henry would keep me up at night.

    But as mentioned before, postseason Wilson is not quite the same as peak regular season Wilson.

    Only 2015 Carolina and 2016 Atlanta scored more than 30 points against the Seahawks. Every other postseason game has been 30 points and under.



    That's what I'm banking on. A top 5-10 defense. If that can happen this year, with fans back in the stands, very excited about the upcoming season.

    Derrick Henry? I wish.

    Post season Wilson? Shoot, rather have 2005 post-season Hass at this point. Until proven otherwise, that is.



    Point of note very few QBs regular season stats and post season stats are close to the same. Even the supposed Goat Brady has a 7+ point drop in Qb rating in the post season. Mahomes has an 8+ point drop. Rodgers a 4 point, So you know Wilson is just 6 points.


    As to Hasselbeck lets look at that , ahh his regular season and playoff Qb ratrings are both sub 85., HIs the best Playoff Qb rating was 101 and his 2005 Qb rating was 89 and his worst was 67. To compare Wilsons worse Qb rating in the playoffs was 72, his best 107 (2019 season) his avg 96. He has only been below 90 2 times out of his 8 playoff years. Hass has been below 90 4 of his 6 times in the playoffs.

    So, once again the Facts show the whole premise is wrong.


    QBR only goes up to 100. Do you mean passer rating?
    That rule doesn't apply to our Russ.

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Re: a Russell Wilson critique
Mon Apr 19, 2021 10:31 pm
  • hoxrox wrote:
    John63 wrote:
    hoxrox wrote:
    NINEster wrote:It's on Carroll/Schneider to rebuild the defense and find a way to get a top flight running game.

    It doesn't need to be #1 in points allowed in defense but something maybe top 5-10.

    Might need a top 3 RB. A Derrick Henry would keep me up at night.

    But as mentioned before, postseason Wilson is not quite the same as peak regular season Wilson.

    Only 2015 Carolina and 2016 Atlanta scored more than 30 points against the Seahawks. Every other postseason game has been 30 points and under.



    That's what I'm banking on. A top 5-10 defense. If that can happen this year, with fans back in the stands, very excited about the upcoming season.

    Derrick Henry? I wish.

    Post season Wilson? Shoot, rather have 2005 post-season Hass at this point. Until proven otherwise, that is.



    Point of note very few QBs regular season stats and post season stats are close to the same. Even the supposed Goat Brady has a 7+ point drop in Qb rating in the post season. Mahomes has an 8+ point drop. Rodgers a 4 point, So you know Wilson is just 6 points.


    As to Hasselbeck lets look at that , ahh his regular season and playoff Qb ratrings are both sub 85., HIs the best Playoff Qb rating was 101 and his 2005 Qb rating was 89 and his worst was 67. To compare Wilsons worse Qb rating in the playoffs was 72, his best 107 (2019 season) his avg 96. He has only been below 90 2 times out of his 8 playoff years. Hass has been below 90 4 of his 6 times in the playoffs.

    So, once again the Facts show the whole premise is wrong.


    I don't know. You can use numbers to make any argument. I just remember Hass was called "Mr. December" for a reason. He was very good toward the end of the season when it mattered. Russ is like "Mr. September" Still waiting for him to put together a complete season.


    Lol MR December well according to NFL.com out of 10 seasons with Seattle he had a QB rating above 90 3 times in Dec. Career In Seattle Dec Qb rating was 84.

    To compare Wilson in his 9 years here has had a Dec Qb rating above 90 8 times. Carrer in Seattel Dec Qb rating 100.8

    You see it's a fallacy that Wilson does not play well in Dec or late in year or Early or whatever. People always focus on the 3-4 bad games he has a year. Or they see a QB rating of 95 and say wow he regressed all because he had a 110 the game before. Guess what All QBs have 3-4 bad games. The problem is most teams can handle their QB have 3-4 bad games. We can't. Add to that, some here just hold him to an unrealistically higher standard than any other QB include the supposed goat.
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Re: a Russell Wilson critique
Mon Apr 19, 2021 10:49 pm
  • John63 wrote:I think Wilson does have something to prove. Do does PC and the whole team. For that matter every team does. This is a new season, everyone has something to prove.


    The problem is that every head coach that has had a quarterback that could sling it eventually let their quarterback sling it. Every head coach but PC.
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Re: a Russell Wilson critique
Mon Apr 19, 2021 11:31 pm
  • Sac wrote:
    John63 wrote:I think Wilson does have something to prove. Do does PC and the whole team. For that matter every team does. This is a new season, everyone has something to prove.


    The problem is that every head coach that has had a quarterback that could sling it eventually let their quarterback sling it. Every head coach but PC.


    Agreed.
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Re: a Russell Wilson critique
Tue Apr 20, 2021 8:45 am
  • Sac wrote:
    John63 wrote:I think Wilson does have something to prove. Do does PC and the whole team. For that matter every team does. This is a new season, everyone has something to prove.


    The problem is that every head coach that has had a quarterback that could sling it eventually let their quarterback sling it. Every head coach but PC.



    "Sling it" doesn't necessarily equate to wins. Do you remember the 10 turnover over 4 game fiasco last season? Yeah that may have cost us the number one seed.

    The issue with Pete is not that he didn't let Russ cook. That narrative is tired. The coaching issue was that he could not coach Russ out of his slump.
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Re: a Russell Wilson critique
Tue Apr 20, 2021 9:57 am
  • hoxrox wrote:
    Sac wrote:
    John63 wrote:I think Wilson does have something to prove. Do does PC and the whole team. For that matter every team does. This is a new season, everyone has something to prove.


    The problem is that every head coach that has had a quarterback that could sling it eventually let their quarterback sling it. Every head coach but PC.



    "Sling it" doesn't necessarily equate to wins. Do you remember the 10 turnover over 4 game fiasco last season? Yeah that may have cost us the number one seed.

    The issue with Pete is not that he didn't let Russ cook. That narrative is tired. The coaching issue was that he could not coach Russ out of his slump.


    Some baseball players can't hit a curve ball, Wilson could not beat two deep zone coverage last year.

    I am not sure if it was Russell he has shown the ability to in the past with Bevell, scheme and OC may have been the issue. But forcing the ball was on Wilson.
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Re: a Russell Wilson critique
Tue Apr 20, 2021 11:57 am
  • hoxrox wrote:
    Sac wrote:
    John63 wrote:I think Wilson does have something to prove. Do does PC and the whole team. For that matter every team does. This is a new season, everyone has something to prove.


    The problem is that every head coach that has had a quarterback that could sling it eventually let their quarterback sling it. Every head coach but PC.



    "Sling it" doesn't necessarily equate to wins. Do you remember the 10 turnover over 4 game fiasco last season? Yeah that may have cost us the number one seed.

    The issue with Pete is not that he didn't let Russ cook. That narrative is tired. The coaching issue was that he could not coach Russ out of his slump.


    Giving PC the benefit of the doubt some I am not sure it was he could not coach him out of it, I think he did not want to because it gave him the ability to pull in the reigns again. Also, point of note he never had 10 ints in any connected 4 games, the most was 7 and 3 of them went off receivers hands.
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Re: a Russell Wilson critique
Tue Apr 20, 2021 12:07 pm
  • Tinamedina wrote:what does pete carroll have to prove? that he can coach and strategize without being outsmarted. that he can have a winning season without russell wilson bailing him out in the 4th quarter. they wouldnt even win REGULAR season games without wilson, thats a fact. of course they cant go far in the playoffs, pete carroll is not a good coach.


    Sure the Patriots fired him and went on to a legendary run but Pete didn't have Brady on his roster.

    Yes Pete cheated like hades at USC to insure that he had more highly talented players at every position than anyone else. As soon as that was jeopardized he left.

    Pete posted back to back ho hum 7-9 records before Russell Wilson fell into his lap.

    I'd say Pete probably has a whole lot left to prove to himself as a coach.

    As far as Russ goes I don't understand all of the hate from you guys. All he asked for was to be upgraded to average pass protection. Pete cannot afford to blow his budget on pass protection if he's also going to out personel teams on defense.
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