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  • pittpnthrs wrote:Not being a guinea pig pin cushion is whats wrong with the human race? They've been searching for a vaccine for the common cold for nearly 100 years now with no success, but i'm sure your good to go with the FDA unapproved cocktail they whipped up in a years time. Look, I live out in the boondocks, work from home, and never go anywhere. I think i'm good waiting a little while for a more thorough breakdown of the whole thing before I commit.

    The fact that you view it that way and don't even understand what I was getting at surprises me not at all.
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  • I had Covid at the end of Feb. 2020. Couple days of mild fever, flu-like symptoms, a little bit of coughing, and then DONE. My co-workers are reporting worse symptoms from vaccine reactions than what I had from covid.

    I will not be taking the experimental gene modification therapy that is labeled as a "vaccine" for legal purposes. These are not a "vaccine" in any traditional sense.

    There are plenty, plenty of documented adverse reactions to the covid vaccines, and 3,000 deaths at last check, recorded in the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System, aka VAERS. Some say that only about 1% of the events and deaths get reported in VAERS. If you've taken one of the vaccines and had an adverse reaction, consider reporting it to VAERS. See https://vaers.hhs.gov/

    Here is the story of several people working in the medical field who got the "vaccine" and then were abandoned and then attacked by the system when they reported adverse effects they believed were directly caused by getting the shot. You won't find this type of discussion on "censored" platforms like FB, Twit, and YT.
    Story here: https://rumble.com/vgbhxl-they-dont-wan ... ke-us.html

    * If you have an adverse reaction, will your insurance company pay your medical expenses for issues that resulted from taking an "experimental" vaccine? In many cases, the answer is "NO".

    * If the vaccine cripples or kills you, can you/your next of kin sue the pharma company? NO.

    * Have the vaccines been "approved" by the FDA? NO. The "approval" is "emergency use", during the declared "state of emergency" and most of the normally required testing process has been skipped, including animal testing and human testing longer than single digit months.

    * What are your actual risks of dying from Covid? If under 50, the survival rate is 99.98%. A lot of us here are over 50, and at that point, underlying conditions start factoring in more. Still, under 70, the survival rate is 99.5%.

    Risk of dying from covid vs. risks of experimental vaccines... I'll take my chances with covid. Beat it soundly once, ready to whup it if it dares show up on my doorstep again.

    The main arguments for taking the vaccine seem to be emotional arguments, masquerading as science. "Be virtuous, take the vaccine!" "Protect others, take the vaccine!"

    If you emotionally feel the experimental "vaccines" are safe and effective, and you feel you want to take it, feel free to roll the dice for YOU, but leave ME the hell out of it. If these "vaccines" work for you, why the hell do you care if others take them or not? However, the problem is that many "breakthrough" cases and deaths are being reported where "vaccinated" people got covid after getting the jab, including plenty who subsequently died. The "protection" aspect of getting the jab doesn't seem as ironclad as the media and pharma interestes are trying to make it sound.

    The other problem with taking "vaccines" is that the therapeutics against covid are excellent, especially now that enough medical practitioners understand when and how to use them. Why take a risk on an experimental genetic-manipulation "vaccine" when the non-vax therapies are so safe and effective? Hydroxychloroquine, ivermection, and other therapeutics are safe and effective, despite our media trying to say otherwise a few months back.

    That's not even mentioning the intense effort corporate media has put into hysterically screaming how dangerous this "covid pandemic" is to everyone, and pushing these "vaccines" and censoring and attacking those who legitimately question the safety and efficacy of these experimental treatments.

    As always, the best defense is to take responsibility for your own health, and tilt the playing field in your favor by maintaining a healthy immune system. Are you currently taking a vitamin D supplement? You should be. If you can get out and walk briskly at least 30 minutes each day, and maintain a level of cardio fitness, even better.
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  • This x1000

    BocciHawk wrote:Wow.

    There is so much disinformation in this thread, it's unbelievable.

    One data point. Every single person at my job and every single person in my family and every single person in my extended family and every single person in every family that my family has contact with has been vaccinated.

    Not a single person had any serious side effects of any kind.

    The worst side effects -- and they were rare -- included

    tiredness -- went away after less than 24 hours

    headache -- went away after less than 12 hours

    sore arm at the injection site -- went away substantially after 24 hours, completely after five days

    In fact, there's evidence that now that we are vaccinating en masse in the United States that the odds of serious side effects are lower than anticipated. The vast majority of people haven't reported anything at all to the CDC, and if they had serious side effects, they'd end up in the hospital, where it would be reported. Ergo, if you take it and are fine, you are likely to not report anything, vs. anything serious is always reported... so when tens of millions are vaccinated, and only a few million take the survey, and of that group a tiny tiny fraction had any side effects, well, it's likely that the probability is much lower than just doing the math from the survey.

    Also, there is zero evidence of any kind that people who have been vaccinated have the virus and can transmit it to other people. That's just complete and total poppycock. The COVID-19 vaccines do not use live or dead virus. Period.

    I read this thread and I think we'll never get out of this hell hole that we're in. If people don't vaccinated, we will wear masks forever, we'll never have concerts or sports again, and the only ones who win are the Russian disinformation agents who are feeding the less intelligent Americans total garbage.

    Freedumb!

    At the moment the United States government is paying for all treatment for all people who are COVID-19 patients.

    If they continue to do this, it'll be more expensive than all the wars we've fought combined, and our nation will collapse.

    I can only hope at some point that the government will stop having a blank check for these treatments, with appropriate warning of course. If you don't want to get vaccinated, don't expect to attend concerts or sports, and stop freeloading. You can do a Go Fund Me if you get sick with COVID-19.
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  • Please just stay in your concrete bunker.

    Even republicans like Chris Christie are trying to sway people to get vaccinated.

    Hope Hicks who is a slim runner in her 30’s got hammered by COVID-19.

    olyfan63 wrote:I had Covid at the end of Feb. 2020. Couple days of mild fever, flu-like symptoms, a little bit of coughing, and then DONE. My co-workers are reporting worse symptoms from vaccine reactions than what I had from covid.

    I will not be taking the experimental gene modification therapy that is labeled as a "vaccine" for legal purposes. These are not a "vaccine" in any traditional sense.

    There are plenty, plenty of documented adverse reactions to the covid vaccines, and 3,000 deaths at last check, recorded in the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System, aka VAERS. Some say that only about 1% of the events and deaths get reported in VAERS. If you've taken one of the vaccines and had an adverse reaction, consider reporting it to VAERS. See https://vaers.hhs.gov/

    Here is the story of several people working in the medical field who got the "vaccine" and then were abandoned and then attacked by the system when they reported adverse effects they believed were directly caused by getting the shot. You won't find this type of discussion on "censored" platforms like FB, Twit, and YT.
    Story here: https://rumble.com/vgbhxl-they-dont-wan ... ke-us.html

    * If you have an adverse reaction, will your insurance company pay your medical expenses for issues that resulted from taking an "experimental" vaccine? In many cases, the answer is "NO".

    * If the vaccine cripples or kills you, can you/your next of kin sue the pharma company? NO.

    * Have the vaccines been "approved" by the FDA? NO. The "approval" is "emergency use", during the declared "state of emergency" and most of the normally required testing process has been skipped, including animal testing and human testing longer than single digit months.

    * What are your actual risks of dying from Covid? If under 50, the survival rate is 99.98%. A lot of us here are over 50, and at that point, underlying conditions start factoring in more. Still, under 70, the survival rate is 99.5%.

    Risk of dying from covid vs. risks of experimental vaccines... I'll take my chances with covid. Beat it soundly once, ready to whup it if it dares show up on my doorstep again.

    The main arguments for taking the vaccine seem to be emotional arguments, masquerading as science. "Be virtuous, take the vaccine!" "Protect others, take the vaccine!"

    If you emotionally feel the experimental "vaccines" are safe and effective, and you feel you want to take it, feel free to roll the dice for YOU, but leave ME the hell out of it. If these "vaccines" work for you, why the hell do you care if others take them or not? However, the problem is that many "breakthrough" cases and deaths are being reported where "vaccinated" people got covid after getting the jab, including plenty who subsequently died. The "protection" aspect of getting the jab doesn't seem as ironclad as the media and pharma interestes are trying to make it sound.

    The other problem with taking "vaccines" is that the therapeutics against covid are excellent, especially now that enough medical practitioners understand when and how to use them. Why take a risk on an experimental genetic-manipulation "vaccine" when the non-vax therapies are so safe and effective? Hydroxychloroquine, ivermection, and other therapeutics are safe and effective, despite our media trying to say otherwise a few months back.

    That's not even mentioning the intense effort corporate media has put into hysterically screaming how dangerous this "covid pandemic" is to everyone, and pushing these "vaccines" and censoring and attacking those who legitimately question the safety and efficacy of these experimental treatments.

    As always, the best defense is to take responsibility for your own health, and tilt the playing field in your favor by maintaining a healthy immune system. Are you currently taking a vitamin D supplement? You should be. If you can get out and walk briskly at least 30 minutes each day, and maintain a level of cardio fitness, even better.
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  • RolandDeschain wrote:
    Hawkpower wrote:
    RolandDeschain wrote:
    pittpnthrs wrote:Wife and I havent gotten the shots and dont think we will. People can still get Covid after the shots, some have had some bad side effects, almost everybody I know has been sick as a dog for a day or two after the second shot, not FDA approved,,,no thanks. We'll wait for further results down the line. If any event requires you to have proof of vaccination, thats an event I wouldnt want to go to anyways.

    Your mindset represents much of what is wrong with the human race as a whole.



    Choosing to/not to get the vaccine is a completely personal decision, it doesnt impact anyone else, and certainly says nothing about their standing in society. Please.

    Actually, whether you are vaccinated or not DOES impact other people. How you don't fathom that is beyond comprehension. It frankly says a lot of bad things about you. If you can't figure out how it does affect other people, I really feel sorry for you.



    I guess data could come out at some point that supports that.

    For now, it has been sold as a shot that reduces severity of symptoms. The transmission rate has yet to have been determined.

    So no, for now it doesnt impact other people. So Its a personal choice. As I said.

    Lets let it stay there. Plenty of people have valid reasons for playing it by ear.
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  • Crizilla wrote:Only 30% of the US population got the vaccine (im assuming thats at least one shot?). More shots need to be followed, apparently. My neighbors are Orthodox Jews and said they wont get it, I respect that. However of the 30% that are vaccinated how many of those people attend sporting events? I'm afraid it's going to take years for stadiums to be packed with raging fans again. It's pretty unfortunate this has caused so much divide, hopefully pro-vaccine/pro-mask citizens won't cause any harm to others especially with the weather getting nicer and people will be outside more. I would hate to see actual violence over this stuff.



    Years? In Seattle and California, yeah.

    Texas already has full stadiums for the Rangers.

    Others starting to come on board too.
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  • Hawkpower wrote:I guess data could come out at some point that supports that.

    For now, it has been sold as a shot that reduces severity of symptoms. The transmission rate has yet to have been determined.

    So no, for now it doesnt impact other people. So Its a personal choice. As I said.

    Lets let it stay there. Plenty of people have valid reasons for playing it by ear.

    You remind me very much of this Isaac Asimov quote:

    There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there always has been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that “my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."

    It's proven 10,000 times over that existing vaccines for other diseases don't just "support that", but DO that. Is it the same as say, the smallpox vaccine? No.

    You and those like you pretending like you're getting experimented on like Jews in Auschwitz are absolutely despicable. You don't know what being experimented on actually is. The world truly doesn't need more people like you in it.

    Also @Oly - some of your information is factually wrong, but since you have beliefs about it and don't care about facts, I'm not going to bother refuting them, because there's no arguing with belief...that's the "beauty" of it.
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  • RolandDeschain wrote:You remind me very much of this Isaac Asimov quote:

    There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there always has been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that “my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."


    Well, he was full of science fiction and fantasy. This sounds like more of it.
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  • pittpnthrs wrote:
    RolandDeschain wrote:You remind me very much of this Isaac Asimov quote:

    There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there always has been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that “my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."


    Well, he was full of science fiction and fantasy. This sounds like more of it.


    Keep embracing that cognitive dissonance.
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  • Again all the virtue signalling about saving others is not supported by any actual data. You can rage and scream science all you want but the reality is once you have had Covid (like many here including myself have) there is no reason to get the vaccine. Your immunity is HIGHER having had it then the vaccine gives. A study done in Israel the highest vaccinated country in the world showed a 98 % immunity to covid if someone has already had it and 92 to 94 % from the vaccine depending on which one.
    Secondly the adverse reactions are being vastly underreported and not being looked into. The political and cultural pressure is immense. When they reported shutting down the Johnson and Johnson vaccine they said it was six women that had shown blood clotting. That is an outright blatant lie. I personally knew a young man in his 20's that developed blood clotting that landed him in the ICU for three days right after taking it. And this was before it was shut down. Most of these cases are not being counted as being caused by the vaccine.
    I read an article by a doctor who had 18 cases of blood clotting at his hospital alone. There where states that were no longer giving the Johnson and Johnson vaccine before it was shut down because of the adverse affects they were getting This is a serious issue.
    So again, I have already had it (along with my whole family and we are all fine) so I already have immunity that is stronger than what I would get from the vaccine.
    If anyone would like to take the vaccine thats great go right ahead but to call people names and act all high and mighty about it is absurd and not even backed by any real science.
    I am not an anti vaxxer for the most part. The Polio vaccine has done wonders and others have been highly effective as well. But the reality is that some have had problems which is why they have such high testing standards now. I refuse to inject myself with something I don't need and hasn't been highly tested.

    Edit: Especially when as pointed out this is not a normal vaccine and we do not yet know its long term affects.
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  • olyfan63 wrote:I had Covid at the end of Feb. 2020. Couple days of mild fever, flu-like symptoms, a little bit of coughing, and then DONE. My co-workers are reporting worse symptoms from vaccine reactions than what I had from covid.

    I will not be taking the experimental gene modification therapy that is labeled as a "vaccine" for legal purposes. These are not a "vaccine" in any traditional sense.

    There are plenty, plenty of documented adverse reactions to the covid vaccines, and 3,000 deaths at last check, recorded in the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System, aka VAERS. .


    LMAO

    There are millions of dead people, multiple cities and countries that have been overwhelmed in care and billions spent on healthcare, but you want people to be worried about vaccine side effects because YOU didn't have a bad Covid experience. You also being to the table 3,000 cases vs the millions..... Amazing

    Amazing. Just crazy what times we live in
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  • Natethegreat wrote:Again all the virtue signalling about saving others is not supported by any actual data. You can rage and scream science all you want but the reality is once you have had Covid (like many here including myself have) there is no reason to get the vaccine. Your immunity is HIGHER having had it then the vaccine gives. A

    Edit: Especially when as pointed out this is not a normal vaccine and we do not yet know its long term affects.


    Cut out the fluff but you ignore proven cases of pepe getting Covid twice and counter with we don't know how long vaccine lasts?

    Goes both ways but guess you ignore that
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  • In regards to the OP, I agree Aros.
    I'm surprised they haven't done it yet for Mariner games tbh. Although they only have 9k fans max right now.

    Whether it's Inslee, Goodell or whomever, somebody will make the call that in order to at least get 30k fans or more in the stands, they'll have to show proof of being vaccinated.

    If people don't like it, tough. Stay home and watch.
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  • Natethegreat wrote:Again all the virtue signalling about saving others is not supported by any actual data.

    You are so blindingly, factually wrong about vaccines not saving others that I sincerely hope you haven't polluted the gene pool by having offspring.
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  • Got the 2nd shot on Friday, and damn glad I did. I will never understand the shaming of people who actually get the shot. Is that really what it has come to? Crazy.
    Couldn't agree more with the OP. I can see it being a requirement for traveling, sporting events, concerts etc.
    No matter if people agree with it or not, it's pretty likely it happens.
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  • HawkNuts wrote:Please just stay in your concrete bunker.

    Even republicans like Chris Christie are trying to sway people to get vaccinated.

    Hope Hicks who is a slim runner in her 30’s got hammered by COVID-19.



    Thanks for making my point even further. Your emotional attack and single-data-point anecdote are typical of the science-deniers and math-deniers in power who have relentlessly pushed lockdowns, masks, and genetic therapy "vaccines". If only the psychopaths in power actually cared about us, their cattle, and not merely about their own power.

    Using Hope Hicks as a data point on how horrible covid is for 30-somethings? Really?
    https://thehill.com/homenews/administra ... r-covid-19
    "Hicks had mild symptoms during her bout with the virus."
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12956900/ ... a-florida/

    Are you meaning that YOU will be hiding out in a concrete bunker? People with a properly functioning immune system and without underlying conditions (diabetes, heart disease, other factors, etc.) have little to fear, and should go live life. The response all along should have been about protecting the most vulnerable. For example, those in nursing homes where about a quarter of covid deaths occurred despite being only 1/2 of 1% of the population.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/ ... -staffing/

    Personally, I would find it foolish to take ANY health-related "advice" from Chris Christie or Donald Trump. You are free to make your own decisions if you believe either one to be your personal health guru.

    When the psychopaths in charge use manipulative tactics in an attempt to coerce healthy, low-risk groups to get an experimental genetic therapy injection "vaccine" that confers no benefit to them, and has nontrivial risks, it's highly suspicious behavior.
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  • mikeak wrote:LMAO

    There are millions of dead people, multiple cities and countries that have been overwhelmed in care and billions spent on healthcare, but you want people to be worried about vaccine side effects because YOU didn't have a bad Covid experience. You also being to the table 3,000 cases vs the millions..... Amazing

    Amazing. Just crazy what times we live in


    More emotional arguments, based on media fear-porn talking points... I never figured you for a science-and-math-denier.

    You're essentially saying, "billions died in China/India/wherever... the news said so.. just take the experimental vaccine already!" Your "right" to "feel" emotionally safe overrides the rights of everyone else to make their own healthcare decisions, based on informed consent? If the "vaccine" works, why do you have anything to fear?

    Have you personally been to these locations you're concerned about, to observe the situation on the ground, talked with actual frontline medical professionals there, or are you blindly trusting corporate media and their tell-you-what-to-think "reporting"?

    So... what is the covid death rate for your age group? In your state?

    EDIT: I am starting to see reports saying the covid virus is mutating so fast that the current vaccines will no longer be effective (unsure of timeframe--months?) How many "vaccines" will "the authorties" require us, their cattle, to submit to, for "new strains", and will the "vaccine" treadmill ever end? Actively working to stay healthy and have a healthy immune system that successfully fights off the "new-strain-of-the-month" seems like a better long-term bet to me.
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  • With the amount of conflicting information the public has been fed (and I'm not talking about info on social media), I am not surprised by the multiple opinions towards COVID and the vaccine. I am also not going to judge someone for not wanting to put a newly created and untested (long term testing) drug cocktail in their body. Myself, I am not going to rush to gather with 50k+ people while the virus is still active....vaccine or no vaccine.

    I doubt if vaccine passports will be require at NFL games, except for maybe the dome teams or some select cities. We will see. However, to declare that you will prevent people from attending events in order to provide "incentive" to get the vaccine (as Inslee is doing) is just wrong on so many levels and an overreach by government. Government coercion seldom has positive results.
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  • Nunya wrote:With the amount of conflicting information the public has been fed (and I'm not talking about info on social media), I am not surprised by the multiple opinions towards COVID and the vaccine. I am also not going to judge someone for not wanting to put a newly created and untested (long term testing) drug cocktail in their body. Myself, I am not going to rush to gather with 50k+ people while the virus is still active....vaccine or no vaccine.

    I doubt if vaccine passports will be require at NFL games, except for maybe the dome teams or some select cities. We will see. However, to declare that you will prevent people from attending events in order to provide "incentive" to get the vaccine (as Inslee is doing) is just wrong on so many levels and an overreach by government. Government coercion seldom has positive results.


    Stupidity has even less.............
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  • chris98251 wrote:
    Nunya wrote:With the amount of conflicting information the public has been fed (and I'm not talking about info on social media), I am not surprised by the multiple opinions towards COVID and the vaccine. I am also not going to judge someone for not wanting to put a newly created and untested (long term testing) drug cocktail in their body. Myself, I am not going to rush to gather with 50k+ people while the virus is still active....vaccine or no vaccine.

    I doubt if vaccine passports will be require at NFL games, except for maybe the dome teams or some select cities. We will see. However, to declare that you will prevent people from attending events in order to provide "incentive" to get the vaccine (as Inslee is doing) is just wrong on so many levels and an overreach by government. Government coercion seldom has positive results.


    Stupidity has even less.............


    Great thing about this country.....people have a right to their stupidity.
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  • Nunya wrote:
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    Nunya wrote:With the amount of conflicting information the public has been fed (and I'm not talking about info on social media), I am not surprised by the multiple opinions towards COVID and the vaccine. I am also not going to judge someone for not wanting to put a newly created and untested (long term testing) drug cocktail in their body. Myself, I am not going to rush to gather with 50k+ people while the virus is still active....vaccine or no vaccine.

    I doubt if vaccine passports will be require at NFL games, except for maybe the dome teams or some select cities. We will see. However, to declare that you will prevent people from attending events in order to provide "incentive" to get the vaccine (as Inslee is doing) is just wrong on so many levels and an overreach by government. Government coercion seldom has positive results.


    Stupidity has even less.............


    Great thing about this country.....people have a right to their stupidity.


    Yeah on the backs of others all the time, then they file lawsuits because the picture that was painted was the wrong paint by number illustration they liked better.
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  • chris98251 wrote:
    Nunya wrote:
    chris98251 wrote:
    Nunya wrote:With the amount of conflicting information the public has been fed (and I'm not talking about info on social media), I am not surprised by the multiple opinions towards COVID and the vaccine. I am also not going to judge someone for not wanting to put a newly created and untested (long term testing) drug cocktail in their body. Myself, I am not going to rush to gather with 50k+ people while the virus is still active....vaccine or no vaccine.

    I doubt if vaccine passports will be require at NFL games, except for maybe the dome teams or some select cities. We will see. However, to declare that you will prevent people from attending events in order to provide "incentive" to get the vaccine (as Inslee is doing) is just wrong on so many levels and an overreach by government. Government coercion seldom has positive results.


    Stupidity has even less.............


    Great thing about this country.....people have a right to their stupidity.


    Yeah on the backs of others all the time, then they file lawsuits because the picture that was painted was the wrong paint by number illustration they liked better.


    Tell me a point in history where the ideologies of one thought or belief was not on the back of those that believe differently. I may not agree with a person's personal decisions about what they put into their body, but I will certainly support their right to make those decisions.
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  • The fact that you view what I said as an emotional attack says it all.

    Good luck to you!

    olyfan63 wrote:
    HawkNuts wrote:Please just stay in your concrete bunker.

    Even republicans like Chris Christie are trying to sway people to get vaccinated.

    Hope Hicks who is a slim runner in her 30’s got hammered by COVID-19.



    Thanks for making my point even further. Your emotional attack and single-data-point anecdote are typical of the science-deniers and math-deniers in power who have relentlessly pushed lockdowns, masks, and genetic therapy "vaccines". If only the psychopaths in power actually cared about us, their cattle, and not merely about their own power.

    Using Hope Hicks as a data point on how horrible covid is for 30-somethings? Really?
    https://thehill.com/homenews/administra ... r-covid-19
    "Hicks had mild symptoms during her bout with the virus."
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12956900/ ... a-florida/

    Are you meaning that YOU will be hiding out in a concrete bunker? People with a properly functioning immune system and without underlying conditions (diabetes, heart disease, other factors, etc.) have little to fear, and should go live life. The response all along should have been about protecting the most vulnerable. For example, those in nursing homes where about a quarter of covid deaths occurred despite being only 1/2 of 1% of the population.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/ ... -staffing/

    Personally, I would find it foolish to take ANY health-related "advice" from Chris Christie or Donald Trump. You are free to make your own decisions if you believe either one to be your personal health guru.

    When the psychopaths in charge use manipulative tactics in an attempt to coerce healthy, low-risk groups to get an experimental genetic therapy injection "vaccine" that confers no benefit to them, and has nontrivial risks, it's highly suspicious behavior.
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  • It's just unfortunate that so many people in the country have chosen to make this about politics, instead of about health.
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  • Hawkpower wrote:Choosing to/not to get the vaccine is a completely personal decision, it doesnt impact anyone else, and certainly says nothing about their standing in society. Please.


    Utter and complete garbage.

    If too many people fail to get vaccinated, we will never get herd immunity, we will never have full home crowds at Seahawks games, and the odds of dangerous variants goes up massively, which endangers everyone, vaccinated or not.

    Please spare me this concept that vaccination is a personal choice, it's not. If you choose to not get vaccinated, you are a selfish jerk, period, end of story.

    You probably also make dangerous passing attempts in your vehicle when driving up in the mountains just to get a few cars ahead of everyone else.
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  • knownone wrote:First, let me state that I have been vaccinated, and you probably should be if you are not already.

    Nonetheless, the clinical trials of the vaccines did not test for the efficacy of preventing transmission. Now, there is some promising evidence that it does have a high degree of efficacy, but that research (the last time I check) is still in its relative infancy and thus inconclusive.

    This means that, with the data that is currently available, even if you are vaccinated, going to a crowded sporting event is a bad idea because you can still spread the virus (albeit to a lesser degree than someone who is unvaccinated).

    So perhaps we shouldn't shame the unvaccinated under the pretense that their actions are the only ones with consequences and acknowledge that the primary reason there is a push for vaccinations is not for health and safety but to open up the economy permanently. Because if the goal were health and safety, we would not have huge sporting events even if every attendee was vaccinated.


    Random tidbit. There are real world scenarios that indicate that transmission goes way way down.

    Israel was using the Pfizer vaccine exclusively. With only 40% or so of their population vaccinated, they saw a decrease of 80% in new cases. The remaining new cases had no clear link to anyone who was vaccinated, either.

    It's simple statistics, math, not voodoo. At the time they were at 40% there were many countries that hadn't gotten to 10%, like the United States, and they had a clear dramatic reduction in transmission.

    (I haven't checked in on that stuff since late February or early March, so have no idea how it's going now or if they are still exclusively Pfizer.)
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  • Hi, I responded to a couple of earlier comments, but wanted to separately bring forward some other stuff.

    I have relatives who are young and in good health and had COVID.

    In each case, they were super sick for weeks, and it's been six plus months, and they don't have proper sense of smell or taste still.

    They were advised by many different sources that their immunity was probably starting to wane and they both got vaccinated recently. (just one shot of a typical two shot course)

    This is apparently the standard now, so anyone who thinks that they can simply wait to get it, and it won't be that bad, and they'll have natural immunity, well, guess what... that's wrong!

    It's especially wrong precisely because so many people aren't getting vaccinated that the variants are spreading and becoming a bigger problem than the original strain was. They had one of the very specific early strains of COVID-19 and it's highly likely that if they didn't get vaccinated, they'd fall victim to one of the newer strains.

    So, by all means, be a total idiot, just please don't ask for the government to pay your hospital bill and all the ongoing cost of long term care if you end up with permanently scarred lungs. and stay away from me, and please don't come to Seahawks games.
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  • Herd immunity can also come about through exposure. Most people will never even be symptomatic; those who are in danger can easily get access to the vaccine, wear masks, and have others bring them needed goods.

    Personal liberty, and HIPAA laws matter more.
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  • In regards to the Gov'na: Cool, will catch the Seahawks games in away stadiums that WON'T require that $h!t.

    As far as HIPAA goes, I've talked to a few medical professional friends about it, and here's what they told me: It is absolutely your right to keep your medical history to yourself, but private businesses and entities have the right to restrict entry/association to those who haven't been COVID vaccinated (like with other vaccines) as a safety precaution, and it is then your right to express whether you've been vaccinated or not, but absolutely nobody else can and if THEY do without your consent, THAT is a HIPAA violation. That's just what I've heard from my medical profession friends though, I am in no way shape or form an expert in that field nor claim to be.

    With that being said though, like I said before: Screw it, I'll just see what I want to see in other ways/venues. I'm not saying I will never get the vaccine, just going to wait it out for a little while, while I still (temporarily) have my freedom of choice.
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  • “Personal liberty”

    It’s very important IMHO, every one should have the right to choose vaccine or no.

    Having said that I think is silly and irresponsible to not get one of COVID vaccines.
    In this (OP) scenario I liken it to “no shoes, no shirt, no service”.

    It’s your choice to wear a shirt or not, it’s your choice to get vaccinated or not, and in either case if you choose “not” you don’t get served or gain entry.

    Pretty simple concept.
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  • Choose what you want, but if you think something is being taken from you and decide to skip the vaccine......Famous last words. NOBODY is above getting Covid, period. It's not political, it's health. There's a reason we are STILL in this crap well over a year later. The selfish is strong......
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  • SoulfishHawk wrote:Choose what you want, but if you think something is being taken from you and decide to skip the vaccine......Famous last words. NOBODY is above getting Covid, period. It's not political, it's health. There's a reason we are STILL in this crap well over a year later. The selfish is strong......


    Selfishness is just a human nature....and EVERYBODY is selfish to some degree. There are certainly causes for concern over being vaccinated. Sure, the odds may be low of any serious side effects, but there are people that are counted that prevent the odds of being zero.
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  • Nunya wrote:
    SoulfishHawk wrote:Choose what you want, but if you think something is being taken from you and decide to skip the vaccine......Famous last words. NOBODY is above getting Covid, period. It's not political, it's health. There's a reason we are STILL in this crap well over a year later. The selfish is strong......


    Selfishness is just a human nature....and EVERYBODY is selfish to some degree. There are certainly causes for concern over being vaccinated. Sure, the odds may be low of any serious side effects, but there are people that are counted that prevent the odds of being zero.


    Leans to the mouth breather direction
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  • It's a matter of opinion, and I have a right to mine. I'm glad I got the vaccine. I'm not trying to shame those who don't, I just think making it political seems a tad selfish overall.
    And of course I can see why people would be nervous about it. Doesn't make it any less selfish.
    It's an opinion, don't like it, oh well.
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  • SoulfishHawk wrote:It's a matter of opinion, and I have a right to mine. I'm glad I got the vaccine. I'm not trying to shame those who don't, I just think making it political seems a tad selfish overall.
    And of course I can see why people would be nervous about it. Doesn't make it any less selfish.
    It's an opinion, don't like it, oh well.


    :ditto: Very well said, as well as your previous posts.

    I got mine a couple days ago at Fred Meyer. Johnson and Johnson.
    Idk why people make it political either. It's a global pandemic, not just a U.S. thing.
    I just hope we can start getting back to normal but in a responsible manner
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  • If you plan on getting on a plane, you better be vaccinated or show proof of a negative covid test within the last 48 hours.
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  • Yeah, we are playing our first indoor gig in 14 months next weekend. Crazy that it has been that long.
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  • TreeRon wrote:If you plan on getting on a plane, you better be vaccinated or show proof of a negative covid test within the last 48 hours.


    Why? As far as I know Delta is the only airline that requires it domestically.
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  • If your a spreader your a murderer even if you don't know the names of those you passed the virus along too and then they to others. Why the Vaccine is important, you can still get it, but chances of spreading are much much lower, symptoms much much less.

    Would you give loaded guns to a 5 year old?

    Those that have got the vaccine have unloaded theirs, or waiting in line to, then you have the rest................


    Edit: by pmedic920

    Keep the political statements where they belong.
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  • Had covid in December and while I didn’t end up in ICU, I was sicker than I had ever been. Have since been vaccinated.

    I respect everyone’s opinion but am anxiously awaiting the day when non-vaccinated folks can’t attend the same restaurants, events, schools even....that I go to. We can shop at the grocery at different times too.

    There are options such as home schooling, not attending things such as Seahawk games, etc...maybe we can have special hours for stores too. That way, even if you’ve e never had it or had symptoms while you had it, your covid carrying, anti-vaccine conspiracy theorist self can be “safe” as well as the rest of us.

    But hey, I respect your opinion and lack of enthusiasm about getting the vaccine. I have close friends who are bound and determined to not get the vaccine. I’ll laugh, just a little, when they either A. catch it or B. are restricted from things such as air travel.

    I respect your opinion and thanks in advance for respecting mine.
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  • jeremiah wrote:Those taking the JABS (not a vaccine but a treatment) are the test subjects. Around January 2023 we will know the results of the test run.

    I have one question though, what do the vaccinated have to fear from non vaccinated? If the JAB works so well, nothing will make them sick. Another question, why allow mass immigration and quick release from infected individuals, who have never taken a vaccine in their lives? A third question, why were restaurants closed, but Walmart, Home Depot and Costco open and booming? Do we trust the Governor who acts like it is Armageddon for some businesses, including schools, but others it is OK?

    I'll pass on mandatory treatments. GO HAWKS..


    Answer to #1....that’s all I got...
    Because....”drum roll”....some people aren’t medically able to get the vaccine and it’s NOT 100% effective and we can’t reach herd immunity (get back to normal) if folks don’t get vaccinated and just because someone doesn’t have symptoms the first go around doesn’t mean they won’t on the second and those who are not vaccinated could very well become the source of new variants and...

    This is why we are where we are. People need to get educated.
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  • pittpnthrs wrote:
    TreeRon wrote:If you plan on getting on a plane, you better be vaccinated or show proof of a negative covid test within the last 48 hours.


    Why? As far as I know Delta is the only airline that requires it domestically.


    Wanna bet the others follow?
    The crews of these planes want to be protected. Not to mention if Joe Blow airlines allows non vacced or non covid free passengers to fly, and someone gets sick, $$$$$$.
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  • Mariners are talking about opening up sections for vaxxed folks only. I figure Seahawks won't be far behind.
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  • sutz wrote:Mariners are talking about opening up sections for vaxxed folks only. I figure Seahawks won't be far behind.


    Unfortunately impossible for many season ticket holders. I have charter seats, I own the rights to specific seats. I've actually sat in those exact seats for every single home game (regular season, playoffs) since the stadium opened.

    I literally share an armrest with someone that isn't in my immediate group, and I will lose my mind if the Seahawks think that I'll sit there next to them without them being vaccinated.
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  • BocciHawk wrote:
    sutz wrote:Mariners are talking about opening up sections for vaxxed folks only. I figure Seahawks won't be far behind.


    Unfortunately impossible for many season ticket holders. I have charter seats, I own the rights to specific seats. I've actually sat in those exact seats for every single home game (regular season, playoffs) since the stadium opened.

    I literally share an armrest with someone that isn't in my immediate group, and I will lose my mind if the Seahawks think that I'll sit there next to them without them being vaccinated.


    That's the beauty of it all. A person can choose one thing, someone else chooses something different. In the end one can choose not to do something because of the risk one feels it may be to them, and those who feel safe can still do the thing that has one afraid. People will deal with the pros and cons of their own actions.

    Ones safety should never depend on others.
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  • Clearly this thread had Seahawk intentions but its no longer about the hawks. This thread needs to go to the politics section, its only creating division.
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  • Spohawks wrote:Clearly this thread had Seahawk intentions but its no longer about the hawks. This thread needs to go to the politics section, its only creating division.


    Difference of opinions is now division.

    Use to just be conversation.

    We have gotten mentally soft.
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  • Mix wrote:
    Spohawks wrote:Clearly this thread had Seahawk intentions but its no longer about the hawks. This thread needs to go to the politics section, its only creating division.


    Difference of opinions is now division.

    Use to just be conversation.

    We have gotten mentally soft.


    Yes, it's the your special generation and they can't handle anything that challenges them to get out of their comfort zone, you have to change or they feel your a bully.

    I wonder where Wenhawk keeps their participation Trophies?
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