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Re: Draft assessment
Mon May 03, 2021 12:02 pm
  • So you guys already know he won't be that good, before he even plays a down in the NFL? :?
    And why does it bother you that other people think he's going to be a solid player on this team?
    NONE of us know how good he is going to be. It's all opinions.
    If the Rams would have taken him, I bet a lot of people would be saying that was a great pick. But, it comes down to the same thing every year, if you don't pick who I WANT, it's a bad pick.
    And I doubt that's just a Seattle thing. Now, blasting the front office for just about everything they do? Very common.
    They needed a #3 receiver, and they took care of it.
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Re: Draft assessment
Mon May 03, 2021 12:14 pm
  • pittpnthrs wrote:
    nwHawk wrote:
    pittpnthrs wrote:
    nwHawk wrote:
    Do you realize that it typically takes 3 years for a WR is hit their stride? Golden Tate was viewed as a bust his first 2 years, and he turned out pretty good starting at year 3. There are numerous receivers that have followed the same path. If Eskridge is a HOF stud out of the gate, as you somehow expect, I'd be shocked. If he is a better returner and and more effective WR in his rookie year, no one should be bummed. He will only get better the coming years. DK and the whole team should benefit and that's a very good thing.


    Your missing the point. I dont care how good he can be in 3 or 4 years. I'm looking for players that can contribute now at areas of more importance. A #3 WR wasnt the area they should have been concentrating on.


    You may think that, but I didn't miss your point - I just disagree with your point. D'Wayne Eskridge will be better than David Moore, 2020 Freddie Swain or Penny Hart - this year. Undoubtedly he will improve over the next couple of years.

    Any OL or CB that was drafted would have been in the same boat. No team can rely on a draft pick, especially after the 1st round, to enter the league and play as a high level veteran. It happens, but those guys are more rare than we want to admit.


    Eskridge wont be as good as Moore was last season and Swain and a free agent would be just fine at the most unimportant receiver position on the field. If Lockette or Metcalf go down, sure his numbers will see a rise by default, but until then, he'll be irrelevant. Cant change anything at this point so I hope i'm wrong.

    I just cant believe that Russ asked for help upfront and Jackson is the only thing they did so far (well yes I can). Oh well. I'm sure B.J. Finney will be available.


    Is Gabe Jackson somehow insignificant to you? If so, big L.

    I'm sure Russ wants more support all around, which is exactly why he was heavily recruiting Carson to come back.

    Same dudes who wouldn't shut the hell up about Moore in every gameday forum are the ones objecting to trying to fix WR3. Surprise. It's almost like the allegiance isn't to logic, but to criticism.

    Personally, barring injury, I'm pretty confident Eskridge's athleticism alone in Waldron's scheme will make him a better option than Moore, in an offense that sorely needed a better option.
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Re: Draft assessment
Mon May 03, 2021 12:34 pm
  • TheLegendOfBoom wrote:
    First and foremost, I think Eskridge is a nice player but his impact won’t be much this year as far as targets and receptions, yards goes. He is pretty low in the pecking order. He’ll also need to learn how to run routes. His collegiate Western Michigan tape he’ll need to learn the NFL game since defense are not what he is used too and he is not the route runner Lockett was coming out of Kansas State. His impact will be primarily on special teams cause he is on the bottom of the playmaker depth chart and may only see 5-6 targets a game and catch 3-4 balls a game.

    Seattle has a need at wide receiver (third/fourth option) but Swain will be more trusted than Eskridge this year at receiver.

    Hopefully, Eskridge can tilt the field consistently and contribute largely as the KR/PR on special teams cause he will almost certainly will not see many targets in games, think Seattle’s version of Tavon Austin but to use a second rounder on him a as quite questionable.


    So remember when they tried Moore on a jet, or bubble, and he would get stuffed for like 2-4 yards? Eskridge can pop one of those for huge gains. That could be the difference between a first down, and a 3-and-out.

    He doesn't need to be some polished route runner, who knows the whole route tree at this point. That's not who DK was when he was drafted in the second round.

    It's not always about the number of touches. Ideally, if this offense is going to succeed, it's about impact and variety. Spread the ball around so defenses won't know what to defend.
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Re: Draft assessment
Mon May 03, 2021 12:47 pm
  • Maelstrom787 wrote:
    pittpnthrs wrote:
    nwHawk wrote:
    pittpnthrs wrote:
    Your missing the point. I dont care how good he can be in 3 or 4 years. I'm looking for players that can contribute now at areas of more importance. A #3 WR wasnt the area they should have been concentrating on.


    You may think that, but I didn't miss your point - I just disagree with your point. D'Wayne Eskridge will be better than David Moore, 2020 Freddie Swain or Penny Hart - this year. Undoubtedly he will improve over the next couple of years.

    Any OL or CB that was drafted would have been in the same boat. No team can rely on a draft pick, especially after the 1st round, to enter the league and play as a high level veteran. It happens, but those guys are more rare than we want to admit.


    Eskridge wont be as good as Moore was last season and Swain and a free agent would be just fine at the most unimportant receiver position on the field. If Lockette or Metcalf go down, sure his numbers will see a rise by default, but until then, he'll be irrelevant. Cant change anything at this point so I hope i'm wrong.

    I just cant believe that Russ asked for help upfront and Jackson is the only thing they did so far (well yes I can). Oh well. I'm sure B.J. Finney will be available.


    Is Gabe Jackson somehow insignificant to you? If so, big L.

    I'm sure Russ wants more support all around, which is exactly why he was heavily recruiting Carson to come back.

    Same dudes who wouldn't shut the hell up about Moore in every gameday forum are the ones objecting to trying to fix WR3. Surprise. It's almost like the allegiance isn't to logic, but to criticism.

    Personally, barring injury, I'm pretty confident Eskridge's athleticism alone in Waldron's scheme will make him a better option than Moore, in an offense that sorely needed a better option.


    Jackson is a good player and an upgrade at the position, but does he fix the entire issue with the line? As for recruiting help, guess who Russ hasent been,,,,,,,the newly resigned Pocic. The only signing Wilson didnt tweet about afterwards. Team needs a center.

    I thought Moore played well last season and said as much during the season. The people that werent happy with him,,,I cant help that.

    Team SORELY needed a better option at #3 WR position? Lol. That position was the least of the teams problems.
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Re: Draft assessment
Mon May 03, 2021 12:54 pm
  • Swain isn't a slot guy, if Waldron runs a similar scheme the slot is going to be very important, Lockett and Eskridge are going to get a tone or reps there. He is worth that pick simply as a option in that position.

    O line is fine, getting Jackson will make the interior very strong, Pocic will be better with less time having to maintain blocks with a system designed to pass on a rhythm. The interior is set up to run the ball with force now. Depth may be the only issue in some positions, But Jackson can flop left, Lewis to Center and the bench fill the RT, we will see how well the Forsyth kid picks things up.

    Thats two players on the O line and the F.A. market is beginning to get more bodies in it as well.

    We had three picks, what did you want three O lineman?
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Re: Draft assessment
Mon May 03, 2021 1:17 pm
  • pittpnthrs wrote:
    Maelstrom787 wrote:
    pittpnthrs wrote:
    nwHawk wrote:
    You may think that, but I didn't miss your point - I just disagree with your point. D'Wayne Eskridge will be better than David Moore, 2020 Freddie Swain or Penny Hart - this year. Undoubtedly he will improve over the next couple of years.

    Any OL or CB that was drafted would have been in the same boat. No team can rely on a draft pick, especially after the 1st round, to enter the league and play as a high level veteran. It happens, but those guys are more rare than we want to admit.


    Eskridge wont be as good as Moore was last season and Swain and a free agent would be just fine at the most unimportant receiver position on the field. If Lockette or Metcalf go down, sure his numbers will see a rise by default, but until then, he'll be irrelevant. Cant change anything at this point so I hope i'm wrong.

    I just cant believe that Russ asked for help upfront and Jackson is the only thing they did so far (well yes I can). Oh well. I'm sure B.J. Finney will be available.


    Is Gabe Jackson somehow insignificant to you? If so, big L.

    I'm sure Russ wants more support all around, which is exactly why he was heavily recruiting Carson to come back.

    Same dudes who wouldn't shut the hell up about Moore in every gameday forum are the ones objecting to trying to fix WR3. Surprise. It's almost like the allegiance isn't to logic, but to criticism.

    Personally, barring injury, I'm pretty confident Eskridge's athleticism alone in Waldron's scheme will make him a better option than Moore, in an offense that sorely needed a better option.


    Jackson is a good player and an upgrade at the position, but does he fix the entire issue with the line? As for recruiting help, guess who Russ hasent been,,,,,,,the newly resigned Pocic. The only signing Wilson didnt tweet about afterwards. Team needs a center.

    I thought Moore played well last season and said as much during the season. The people that werent happy with him,,,I cant help that.

    Team SORELY needed a better option at #3 WR position? Lol. That position was the least of the teams problems.


    You're acting like Pocic is the worst center in the league. He's not. He's easily top-20 and arguably sneaks into top-15 territory. If that's the indisputable worst guy on the starting line, then you have a pretty talented offensive line.

    The issue with the offensive line will be solved by coaching more than talent, because the line is already talented. The personnel is there. If you want to say an average-at-worst center is the teams biggest issue, go ahead, but it is totally illogical.

    It's almost like talking to a 2002 NFL fan. This just isn't how the league works anymore. WR3 is a starting position, and has been for a long time. For you to brush it off as if its not a need is asinine.
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Re: Draft assessment
Mon May 03, 2021 1:19 pm
  • Not to mention that, if we're talking about FREDDIE SWAIN as the current WR3... who the hell is behind him?

    Absolutely NOTHING. It was as big of a need as any on the roster.
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Re: Draft assessment
Mon May 03, 2021 2:39 pm
  • hoxrox wrote:
    TheLegendOfBoom wrote:
    First and foremost, I think Eskridge is a nice player but his impact won’t be much this year as far as targets and receptions, yards goes. He is pretty low in the pecking order. He’ll also need to learn how to run routes. His collegiate Western Michigan tape he’ll need to learn the NFL game since defense are not what he is used too and he is not the route runner Lockett was coming out of Kansas State. His impact will be primarily on special teams cause he is on the bottom of the playmaker depth chart and may only see 5-6 targets a game and catch 3-4 balls a game.

    Seattle has a need at wide receiver (third/fourth option) but Swain will be more trusted than Eskridge this year at receiver.

    Hopefully, Eskridge can tilt the field consistently and contribute largely as the KR/PR on special teams cause he will almost certainly will not see many targets in games, think Seattle’s version of Tavon Austin but to use a second rounder on him a as quite questionable.


    So remember when they tried Moore on a jet, or bubble, and he would get stuffed for like 2-4 yards? Eskridge can pop one of those for huge gains. That could be the difference between a first down, and a 3-and-out.

    He doesn't need to be some polished route runner, who knows the whole route tree at this point. That's not who DK was when he was drafted in the second round.

    It's not always about the number of touches. Ideally, if this offense is going to succeed, it's about impact and variety. Spread the ball around so defenses won't know what to defend.

    Well, the obvious difference between DK and Eskridge is DK each week saw premier college defenses and NFL talented corners playing in the SEC. Eskridge doesn’t have that experience.

    Eskridge is not a three down player since he does have not have the physicality traits in order to be a run blocker as well.

    He may see jet, fly sweeps, short slants (Russ doesn’t throw many short quick slants) but when he does see the ball it will likely be against nickel corners.

    I was hoping Seattle would have drafted a Z receiver since Metcalf primarily is their X and Lockett could do damage in the slot against nickel corners but if Seattle wants Eskridge then hopefully it works out for Carroll.

    3 draft picks is tough but if Seattle surprises and is consistently moving the chains then no one here should complain.

    But, we’ll have to wait and see how it plays out.
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Re: Draft assessment
Mon May 03, 2021 3:01 pm
  • Maelstrom787 wrote:Not to mention that, if we're talking about FREDDIE SWAIN as the current WR3... who the hell is behind him?

    Absolutely NOTHING. It was as big of a need as any on the roster.

    Great point. :2thumbs:
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Re: Draft assessment
Mon May 03, 2021 3:25 pm
  • chris98251 wrote:We had three picks, what did you want three O lineman?


    Two would have been nice
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Re: Draft assessment
Mon May 03, 2021 3:53 pm
  • pittpnthrs wrote:
    hoxrox wrote:
    pittpnthrs wrote:I thought the great Waldron and his two TE sets with the awesome Everett pick up was supposed to take care of all of that.

    The Seahawks could have drafted a crack dealer on a corner with their first pick and people on here would cheer and give them an A. I just dont feel a WR was as important as other positions and I feel Eskridge will have minimal if any impact. Only 3 picks is tough to deal with and people will start to realize how awful the Adams pick up was in a year or two when the lack of picks becomes a norm and his contract insanity begins. The FO has been pretty dismal for years now and continues to depress.


    I wanted O-line too but there could be a number of reasons why the FO and their scouts didn't draft one in the second round. Maybe they wanted Dickerson. Maybe they thought Humphrey's arms were too short. Maybe they thought Meiners was too raw. For all we know, these guys could be John Moffitt 2.0. There's no guarantee they would step in year one, be instant starters, and be able to "stop Donald" More unlikely than not.

    If you're depressed over football, then not sure what to tell you. It's really not that serious.


    Not depressed at all. Just pointing out the incompetence of the FO.

    I wanted Dickerson before the draft too. He would have been nice. As for the others, if the FO found fault in them then they definitely should have taken one.


    So the FO is incompetent because they did not draft how YOU would have liked them to? Yet the FO is made up of professionals that are considered some of the best in the league....and YOU.....are nothing more than a poster on an internet forum. Pardon me if I do not give your opinion any serious thought.
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Re: Draft assessment
Mon May 03, 2021 3:55 pm
  • Maelstrom787 wrote:
    pittpnthrs wrote:
    Maelstrom787 wrote:
    pittpnthrs wrote:
    Eskridge wont be as good as Moore was last season and Swain and a free agent would be just fine at the most unimportant receiver position on the field. If Lockette or Metcalf go down, sure his numbers will see a rise by default, but until then, he'll be irrelevant. Cant change anything at this point so I hope i'm wrong.

    I just cant believe that Russ asked for help upfront and Jackson is the only thing they did so far (well yes I can). Oh well. I'm sure B.J. Finney will be available.


    Is Gabe Jackson somehow insignificant to you? If so, big L.

    I'm sure Russ wants more support all around, which is exactly why he was heavily recruiting Carson to come back.

    Same dudes who wouldn't shut the hell up about Moore in every gameday forum are the ones objecting to trying to fix WR3. Surprise. It's almost like the allegiance isn't to logic, but to criticism.

    Personally, barring injury, I'm pretty confident Eskridge's athleticism alone in Waldron's scheme will make him a better option than Moore, in an offense that sorely needed a better option.


    Jackson is a good player and an upgrade at the position, but does he fix the entire issue with the line? As for recruiting help, guess who Russ hasent been,,,,,,,the newly resigned Pocic. The only signing Wilson didnt tweet about afterwards. Team needs a center.

    I thought Moore played well last season and said as much during the season. The people that werent happy with him,,,I cant help that.

    Team SORELY needed a better option at #3 WR position? Lol. That position was the least of the teams problems.


    You're acting like Pocic is the worst center in the league. He's not. He's easily top-20 and arguably sneaks into top-15 territory. If that's the indisputable worst guy on the starting line, then you have a pretty talented offensive line.

    The issue with the offensive line will be solved by coaching more than talent, because the line is already talented. The personnel is there. If you want to say an average-at-worst center is the teams biggest issue, go ahead, but it is totally illogical.

    It's almost like talking to a 2002 NFL fan. This just isn't how the league works anymore. WR3 is a starting position, and has been for a long time. For you to brush it off as if its not a need is asinine.


    Pocic is terrible. Guy gets bull rushed all the time. Wonder what Russ really thinks about him.

    If the issues with the Oline will be solved by coaching then they are doomed. When was the last good Oline under Pete Carroll? You can count college too if you want.

    Lol. You act like every successful team has 3 Pro Bowl receivers. A cheap free agent with Swain is all the team needed. There's also players on the team like Hart, Thompson, Kidsy, Ursua, etc, to fill in.

    This place is something else. Check out the first page of Eskridges draft thread and you see people shaking their heads at the pick and then the rose colored glasses wearing fans come in and come up with everything under the sky trying to justify it.
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Re: Draft assessment
Mon May 03, 2021 3:58 pm
  • Maelstrom787 wrote:Not to mention that, if we're talking about FREDDIE SWAIN as the current WR3... who the hell is behind him?

    Absolutely NOTHING. It was as big of a need as any on the roster.


    Answered already
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Re: Draft assessment
Mon May 03, 2021 4:00 pm
  • Nunya_ wrote:
    pittpnthrs wrote:
    hoxrox wrote:
    pittpnthrs wrote:I thought the great Waldron and his two TE sets with the awesome Everett pick up was supposed to take care of all of that.

    The Seahawks could have drafted a crack dealer on a corner with their first pick and people on here would cheer and give them an A. I just dont feel a WR was as important as other positions and I feel Eskridge will have minimal if any impact. Only 3 picks is tough to deal with and people will start to realize how awful the Adams pick up was in a year or two when the lack of picks becomes a norm and his contract insanity begins. The FO has been pretty dismal for years now and continues to depress.


    I wanted O-line too but there could be a number of reasons why the FO and their scouts didn't draft one in the second round. Maybe they wanted Dickerson. Maybe they thought Humphrey's arms were too short. Maybe they thought Meiners was too raw. For all we know, these guys could be John Moffitt 2.0. There's no guarantee they would step in year one, be instant starters, and be able to "stop Donald" More unlikely than not.

    If you're depressed over football, then not sure what to tell you. It's really not that serious.


    Not depressed at all. Just pointing out the incompetence of the FO.

    I wanted Dickerson before the draft too. He would have been nice. As for the others, if the FO found fault in them then they definitely should have taken one.


    So the FO is incompetent because they did not draft how YOU would have liked them to? Yet the FO is made up of professionals that are considered some of the best in the league....and YOU.....are nothing more than a poster on an internet forum. Pardon me if I do not give your opinion any serious thought.


    I realize my opinion means nothing, but all one has to do is look at the last 5 years or so to figure it out.
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Re: Draft assessment
Mon May 03, 2021 4:07 pm
  • pittpnthrs wrote:
    Nunya_ wrote:
    pittpnthrs wrote:
    hoxrox wrote:
    I wanted O-line too but there could be a number of reasons why the FO and their scouts didn't draft one in the second round. Maybe they wanted Dickerson. Maybe they thought Humphrey's arms were too short. Maybe they thought Meiners was too raw. For all we know, these guys could be John Moffitt 2.0. There's no guarantee they would step in year one, be instant starters, and be able to "stop Donald" More unlikely than not.

    If you're depressed over football, then not sure what to tell you. It's really not that serious.


    Not depressed at all. Just pointing out the incompetence of the FO.

    I wanted Dickerson before the draft too. He would have been nice. As for the others, if the FO found fault in them then they definitely should have taken one.


    So the FO is incompetent because they did not draft how YOU would have liked them to? Yet the FO is made up of professionals that are considered some of the best in the league....and YOU.....are nothing more than a poster on an internet forum. Pardon me if I do not give your opinion any serious thought.


    I realize my opinion means nothing, but all one has to do is look at the last 5 years or so to figure it out.


    You mean the last 5 seasons where the team went 10-5-1, 9-7, 10-6, 11-5, and 12-4....and reached the playoffs in 4 of those seasons?
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Re: Draft assessment
Mon May 03, 2021 4:13 pm
  • Nunya_ wrote:
    pittpnthrs wrote:
    Nunya_ wrote:
    pittpnthrs wrote:
    Not depressed at all. Just pointing out the incompetence of the FO.

    I wanted Dickerson before the draft too. He would have been nice. As for the others, if the FO found fault in them then they definitely should have taken one.


    So the FO is incompetent because they did not draft how YOU would have liked them to? Yet the FO is made up of professionals that are considered some of the best in the league....and YOU.....are nothing more than a poster on an internet forum. Pardon me if I do not give your opinion any serious thought.


    I realize my opinion means nothing, but all one has to do is look at the last 5 years or so to figure it out.


    You mean the last 5 seasons where the team went 10-5-1, 9-7, 10-6, 11-5, and 12-4....and reached the playoffs in 4 of those seasons?


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Re: Draft assessment
Mon May 03, 2021 5:47 pm
  • Hi everyone,

    I kinda see both points here but I just want to give my 2 cents about this. I actually really like all the picks the Seahawks made. I thought it was a pretty successful draft overall given the resources that we have.

    I don't expect Eskridge to be a pro-baller or have a DK Metcalf impact. If he has a similar rookie season to Tyler Lockett, I will be more than happy. What I do expect from him is a viable option that scares the crap out of teams. Whether this is a deep ball a few times a game or a reverse that pops for 10-15+ yards. If our offense mirrors the Rams, WRs play a huge role in disguising with misdirection, fake jets, etc. D.E can play a huge role in this because he is a threat. Say what you want but Swain, Hart, or whomever on our roster is just not going to threaten defenses like this. You put 3 speed demons out there and other teams are going to have to pay attention. Moore was good for a play or two a game. No way does he scare anyone....

    Hate the player, sure but understand the move. I think it's the right draft pick. You can't convince me that there were any DBs that could come in and start right away at the CB position. That's what I would have expected from #56 at CB. I don't see A. Robinson or anything other dude there that is that good. I think they got really good value from a CB that knows how to play CB. Tre Brown despite his size is way more polished than any of the 2nd or 3rd rd corners. He is extremely physical, smart, and he played in a pass-happy conference so he is tested. You can convince of the centers maybe being taken. However, the Hawks knew they wanted D.E and they still had Pocic as a hedge.

    Pocic is not terrible, not great, and definitely not trash. Yes he gets pushed back but again if this offense mirrors anything like the Rams, we aren't going to ask Oline to straight up block dudes or maul them in the run game. It will be more about movement and angles. This suits Pocic because he is not the most physical guy there. The 49ers out-schemed the Rams and completely took Arron Donald out of the game. Besides Trent Williams, the rest of the Oline was trash that game. Pocic is also not and should not be the long-term answer at C. I want this addressed also but we can do a lot worse.
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Re: Draft assessment
Mon May 03, 2021 7:15 pm
  • pittpnthrs wrote:
    Maelstrom787 wrote:
    pittpnthrs wrote:
    nwHawk wrote:
    You may think that, but I didn't miss your point - I just disagree with your point. D'Wayne Eskridge will be better than David Moore, 2020 Freddie Swain or Penny Hart - this year. Undoubtedly he will improve over the next couple of years.

    Any OL or CB that was drafted would have been in the same boat. No team can rely on a draft pick, especially after the 1st round, to enter the league and play as a high level veteran. It happens, but those guys are more rare than we want to admit.


    Eskridge wont be as good as Moore was last season and Swain and a free agent would be just fine at the most unimportant receiver position on the field. If Lockette or Metcalf go down, sure his numbers will see a rise by default, but until then, he'll be irrelevant. Cant change anything at this point so I hope i'm wrong.

    I just cant believe that Russ asked for help upfront and Jackson is the only thing they did so far (well yes I can). Oh well. I'm sure B.J. Finney will be available.


    Is Gabe Jackson somehow insignificant to you? If so, big L.

    I'm sure Russ wants more support all around, which is exactly why he was heavily recruiting Carson to come back.

    Same dudes who wouldn't shut the hell up about Moore in every gameday forum are the ones objecting to trying to fix WR3. Surprise. It's almost like the allegiance isn't to logic, but to criticism.

    Personally, barring injury, I'm pretty confident Eskridge's athleticism alone in Waldron's scheme will make him a better option than Moore, in an offense that sorely needed a better option.


    Jackson is a good player and an upgrade at the position, but does he fix the entire issue with the line? As for recruiting help, guess who Russ hasent been,,,,,,,the newly resigned Pocic. The only signing Wilson didnt tweet about afterwards. Team needs a center.

    I thought Moore played well last season and said as much during the season. The people that werent happy with him,,,I cant help that.

    Team SORELY needed a better option at #3 WR position? Lol. That position was the least of the teams problems.



    Wow. #3 WR is a big reason for the failure down the stretch. Moore was worse than you will admit. Good person, but never meant to be counted on last year as our #3 until the Gordon suspension continued.

    What do you see as the OL fix?
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Re: Draft assessment
Mon May 03, 2021 7:28 pm
  • TheLegendOfBoom wrote:
    hoxrox wrote:
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    First and foremost, I think Eskridge is a nice player but his impact won’t be much this year as far as targets and receptions, yards goes. He is pretty low in the pecking order. He’ll also need to learn how to run routes. His collegiate Western Michigan tape he’ll need to learn the NFL game since defense are not what he is used too and he is not the route runner Lockett was coming out of Kansas State. His impact will be primarily on special teams cause he is on the bottom of the playmaker depth chart and may only see 5-6 targets a game and catch 3-4 balls a game.

    Seattle has a need at wide receiver (third/fourth option) but Swain will be more trusted than Eskridge this year at receiver.

    Hopefully, Eskridge can tilt the field consistently and contribute largely as the KR/PR on special teams cause he will almost certainly will not see many targets in games, think Seattle’s version of Tavon Austin but to use a second rounder on him a as quite questionable.


    So remember when they tried Moore on a jet, or bubble, and he would get stuffed for like 2-4 yards? Eskridge can pop one of those for huge gains. That could be the difference between a first down, and a 3-and-out.

    He doesn't need to be some polished route runner, who knows the whole route tree at this point. That's not who DK was when he was drafted in the second round.

    It's not always about the number of touches. Ideally, if this offense is going to succeed, it's about impact and variety. Spread the ball around so defenses won't know what to defend.

    Well, the obvious difference between DK and Eskridge is DK each week saw premier college defenses and NFL talented corners playing in the SEC. Eskridge doesn’t have that experience.

    Eskridge is not a three down player since he does have not have the physicality traits in order to be a run blocker as well.

    He may see jet, fly sweeps, short slants (Russ doesn’t throw many short quick slants) but when he does see the ball it will likely be against nickel corners.

    I was hoping Seattle would have drafted a Z receiver since Metcalf primarily is their X and Lockett could do damage in the slot against nickel corners but if Seattle wants Eskridge then hopefully it works out for Carroll.

    3 draft picks is tough but if Seattle surprises and is consistently moving the chains then no one here should complain.

    But, we’ll have to wait and see how it plays out.


    He's the same size as Golden Tate and Tate was called a very good blocker, he may need to learn to be effective but he isn't a extremely small guy.
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Re: Draft assessment
Mon May 03, 2021 7:30 pm
  • Seattle Person wrote:Hi everyone,

    I kinda see both points here but I just want to give my 2 cents about this. I actually really like all the picks the Seahawks made. I thought it was a pretty successful draft overall given the resources that we have.

    I don't expect Eskridge to be a pro-baller or have a DK Metcalf impact. If he has a similar rookie season to Tyler Lockett, I will be more than happy. What I do expect from him is a viable option that scares the crap out of teams. Whether this is a deep ball a few times a game or a reverse that pops for 10-15+ yards. If our offense mirrors the Rams, WRs play a huge role in disguising with misdirection, fake jets, etc. D.E can play a huge role in this because he is a threat. Say what you want but Swain, Hart, or whomever on our roster is just not going to threaten defenses like this. You put 3 speed demons out there and other teams are going to have to pay attention. Moore was good for a play or two a game. No way does he scare anyone....

    Hate the player, sure but understand the move. I think it's the right draft pick. You can't convince me that there were any DBs that could come in and start right away at the CB position. That's what I would have expected from #56 at CB. I don't see A. Robinson or anything other dude there that is that good. I think they got really good value from a CB that knows how to play CB. Tre Brown despite his size is way more polished than any of the 2nd or 3rd rd corners. He is extremely physical, smart, and he played in a pass-happy conference so he is tested. You can convince of the centers maybe being taken. However, the Hawks knew they wanted D.E and they still had Pocic as a hedge.

    Pocic is not terrible, not great, and definitely not trash. Yes he gets pushed back but again if this offense mirrors anything like the Rams, we aren't going to ask Oline to straight up block dudes or maul them in the run game. It will be more about movement and angles. This suits Pocic because he is not the most physical guy there. The 49ers out-schemed the Rams and completely took Arron Donald out of the game. Besides Trent Williams, the rest of the Oline was trash that game. Pocic is also not and should not be the long-term answer at C. I want this addressed also but we can do a lot worse.



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Re: Draft assessment
Mon May 03, 2021 7:49 pm
  • nwHawk wrote:
    pittpnthrs wrote:
    Maelstrom787 wrote:
    pittpnthrs wrote:
    Eskridge wont be as good as Moore was last season and Swain and a free agent would be just fine at the most unimportant receiver position on the field. If Lockette or Metcalf go down, sure his numbers will see a rise by default, but until then, he'll be irrelevant. Cant change anything at this point so I hope i'm wrong.

    I just cant believe that Russ asked for help upfront and Jackson is the only thing they did so far (well yes I can). Oh well. I'm sure B.J. Finney will be available.


    Is Gabe Jackson somehow insignificant to you? If so, big L.

    I'm sure Russ wants more support all around, which is exactly why he was heavily recruiting Carson to come back.

    Same dudes who wouldn't shut the hell up about Moore in every gameday forum are the ones objecting to trying to fix WR3. Surprise. It's almost like the allegiance isn't to logic, but to criticism.

    Personally, barring injury, I'm pretty confident Eskridge's athleticism alone in Waldron's scheme will make him a better option than Moore, in an offense that sorely needed a better option.


    Jackson is a good player and an upgrade at the position, but does he fix the entire issue with the line? As for recruiting help, guess who Russ hasent been,,,,,,,the newly resigned Pocic. The only signing Wilson didnt tweet about afterwards. Team needs a center.

    I thought Moore played well last season and said as much during the season. The people that werent happy with him,,,I cant help that.

    Team SORELY needed a better option at #3 WR position? Lol. That position was the least of the teams problems.



    Wow. #3 WR is a big reason for the failure down the stretch. Moore was worse than you will admit. Good person, but never meant to be counted on last year as our #3 until the Gordon suspension continued.

    What do you see as the OL fix?


    Lol. So the #3 receiver position was one of the bigger reasons why the offense slowed down huh? Think about what you are saying. Couldnt have been the horrid TE play, the lack of a running game, and most importantly the lack of coaching enabling the offense to combat a cover two. While I admit Moore did taper off, so did the entire offense. Putting a large portion of fault at the #3 receiver spot is kind of crazy.

    A better center than Pocic (which shouldnt be hard). I mean good lord, they brought in a back up last season to start in B.J. Finney if that tells you anything.

    Ok, i've voiced my opinion that I dont like the Eskridge pick. Whatever. Lets just forget about it and get ready for a usual Seahawk season of maybe making the playoffs and losing in the first or second round. Rinse and re-pete the season after. It is what it is.
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Re: Draft assessment
Mon May 03, 2021 8:16 pm
  • Everyone is free to have their opinion, and I respect you sticking to your guns Pitt. I certainly didn’t like how the season ended either, but I feel this year could be different.

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Re: Draft assessment
Mon May 03, 2021 8:32 pm
  • pittpnthrs wrote:
    Maelstrom787 wrote:
    pittpnthrs wrote:
    Maelstrom787 wrote:
    Is Gabe Jackson somehow insignificant to you? If so, big L.

    I'm sure Russ wants more support all around, which is exactly why he was heavily recruiting Carson to come back.

    Same dudes who wouldn't shut the hell up about Moore in every gameday forum are the ones objecting to trying to fix WR3. Surprise. It's almost like the allegiance isn't to logic, but to criticism.

    Personally, barring injury, I'm pretty confident Eskridge's athleticism alone in Waldron's scheme will make him a better option than Moore, in an offense that sorely needed a better option.


    Jackson is a good player and an upgrade at the position, but does he fix the entire issue with the line? As for recruiting help, guess who Russ hasent been,,,,,,,the newly resigned Pocic. The only signing Wilson didnt tweet about afterwards. Team needs a center.

    I thought Moore played well last season and said as much during the season. The people that werent happy with him,,,I cant help that.

    Team SORELY needed a better option at #3 WR position? Lol. That position was the least of the teams problems.


    You're acting like Pocic is the worst center in the league. He's not. He's easily top-20 and arguably sneaks into top-15 territory. If that's the indisputable worst guy on the starting line, then you have a pretty talented offensive line.

    The issue with the offensive line will be solved by coaching more than talent, because the line is already talented. The personnel is there. If you want to say an average-at-worst center is the teams biggest issue, go ahead, but it is totally illogical.

    It's almost like talking to a 2002 NFL fan. This just isn't how the league works anymore. WR3 is a starting position, and has been for a long time. For you to brush it off as if its not a need is asinine.


    Pocic is terrible. Guy gets bull rushed all the time. Wonder what Russ really thinks about him.

    If the issues with the Oline will be solved by coaching then they are doomed. When was the last good Oline under Pete Carroll? You can count college too if you want.

    Lol. You act like every successful team has 3 Pro Bowl receivers. A cheap free agent with Swain is all the team needed. There's also players on the team like Hart, Thompson, Kidsy, Ursua, etc, to fill in.

    This place is something else. Check out the first page of Eskridges draft thread and you see people shaking their heads at the pick and then the rose colored glasses wearing fans come in and come up with everything under the sky trying to justify it.


    1. You're literally advocating for snap judgment being more accurate than actual evaluation, which is pretty par for the course, honestly. Anti-logic, anti-reasoning, anti-analysis.

    2. Ethan Pocic's main issue is run blocking. He's a perfectly capable pass blocker at center. Does he get bull-rushed at times? Yeah. That's part of being a center. Most centers do. Pocic let in 2 sacks and 3 QB hits last year, and surrendered 18 pressures.

    All-Pro Corey Linsley let in 1 sack, 2 hits, and 4 pressures, on about 150 less reps. He's the best pass-blocking center in the league. Pocic lets in less than 1 more pressure per game, on a team that passed the ball far more than the Packers did, with a quarterback/scheme that holds the ball longer than Rodgers does. If your angle is that erasing less than 1 pressure per game on average is worth more than upgrading WR3, which sees the field on about 2/3rds of the snaps... I just don't know what to tell you. It's irrational. It certainly doesn't jive with building around Russ.

    Furthermore, if your angle is that a mid-day-2 rookie is likely to be that much better on pass sets than Pocic, I mean... no. Just no. More likely to be a virtual wash than anything.

    3. Three Pro Bowlers? Would be nice, but no. 3 above average? Absolutely necessary. Chiefs had Hardman/Tyreek/Watkins. Tampa had Evans/Godwin/Miller, which was already great before AB. You're so damn keen on building around Russ? HE NEEDS PLAYMAKERS. Not 2 receivers and call it a day. That's not how CHAMPIONSHIP teams work, and the playoffs isn't an indicator of success to you.
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Re: Draft assessment
Mon May 03, 2021 8:35 pm
  • I'm looking forward to seeing our new draft-picks and UDFAs play each week and develop; sadly for some, they may not, but that's also part of the process.

    Watching football as a week-to-week process is so much more enjoyable for me than SB or bust every single year. We won it in 2013 and you'd think we were still cellar-dwellers by the whining of some fans. That fact alone shows me that winning the SB is incredibly overrated; the high is gone very quickly and the lows must be worse afterwards.
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Re: Draft assessment
Mon May 03, 2021 8:56 pm
  • The team identified WR3 as a need for the last few years, and they tried to sign FA to feel that need. OK, the FA that we signed didn't work, injuries and suspension. But it was a need according to our coaching staffs and front office.



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Re: Draft assessment
Mon May 03, 2021 11:39 pm
  • It's remarkable to see people thinking they didn't draft for need when our three selections were a shifty WR/ST, outside CB/ST and a pass blocking OT. Those were three of our biggest needs going into the draft.

    The focus on center seems misguided. Perhaps our change in offense is too theoretical at the moment for it to resonate, but watch what the Rams did last season in a zone stretch offense and you will hardly ever see the center blocking anybody one on one. Ask yourself if you can even name the Rams center without looking it up right now. When the ball is snapped the line is moving in a direction and the C is usually double teaming a tackle inside while the back looks to bounce it outside or reverse it into open field.
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Re: Draft assessment
Tue May 04, 2021 1:30 am
  • AgentDib wrote:It's remarkable to see people thinking they didn't draft for need when our three selections were a shifty WR/ST, outside CB/ST and a pass blocking OT. Those were three of our biggest needs going into the draft.

    The focus on center seems misguided. Perhaps our change in offense is too theoretical at the moment for it to resonate, but watch what the Rams did last season in a zone stretch offense and you will hardly ever see the center blocking anybody one on one. Ask yourself if you can even name the Rams center without looking it up right now. When the ball is snapped the line is moving in a direction and the C is usually double teaming a tackle inside while the back looks to bounce it outside or reverse it into open field.


    I just don't understand it. Especially the WR3 discussion.

    I think people really, really undervalue the position here. It's vital, especially in the types of offense Waldron is known to run. Versatile threats with a combination of release, ability to separate, and YAC prowess are a necessity.

    To think people watched David Moore underperform as the WR3 last year and somehow be fine with going into 2021 with even LESS talent at the spot just doesn't click for me.
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Re: Draft assessment
Tue May 04, 2021 5:27 am
  • They added a beast in Jackson with their 5th rounder. And drafted a guy who could have easily went in the 3rd or 4th round....in the 6th.
    But yeah, they didn't do anything about the O Line :?
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Re: Draft assessment
Tue May 04, 2021 7:28 am
  • Maelstrom787 wrote:
    pittpnthrs wrote:
    Maelstrom787 wrote:
    pittpnthrs wrote:
    Jackson is a good player and an upgrade at the position, but does he fix the entire issue with the line? As for recruiting help, guess who Russ hasent been,,,,,,,the newly resigned Pocic. The only signing Wilson didnt tweet about afterwards. Team needs a center.

    I thought Moore played well last season and said as much during the season. The people that werent happy with him,,,I cant help that.

    Team SORELY needed a better option at #3 WR position? Lol. That position was the least of the teams problems.


    You're acting like Pocic is the worst center in the league. He's not. He's easily top-20 and arguably sneaks into top-15 territory. If that's the indisputable worst guy on the starting line, then you have a pretty talented offensive line.

    The issue with the offensive line will be solved by coaching more than talent, because the line is already talented. The personnel is there. If you want to say an average-at-worst center is the teams biggest issue, go ahead, but it is totally illogical.

    It's almost like talking to a 2002 NFL fan. This just isn't how the league works anymore. WR3 is a starting position, and has been for a long time. For you to brush it off as if its not a need is asinine.


    Pocic is terrible. Guy gets bull rushed all the time. Wonder what Russ really thinks about him.

    If the issues with the Oline will be solved by coaching then they are doomed. When was the last good Oline under Pete Carroll? You can count college too if you want.

    Lol. You act like every successful team has 3 Pro Bowl receivers. A cheap free agent with Swain is all the team needed. There's also players on the team like Hart, Thompson, Kidsy, Ursua, etc, to fill in.

    This place is something else. Check out the first page of Eskridges draft thread and you see people shaking their heads at the pick and then the rose colored glasses wearing fans come in and come up with everything under the sky trying to justify it.


    1. You're literally advocating for snap judgment being more accurate than actual evaluation, which is pretty par for the course, honestly. Anti-logic, anti-reasoning, anti-analysis.

    2. Ethan Pocic's main issue is run blocking. He's a perfectly capable pass blocker at center. Does he get bull-rushed at times? Yeah. That's part of being a center. Most centers do. Pocic let in 2 sacks and 3 QB hits last year, and surrendered 18 pressures.

    All-Pro Corey Linsley let in 1 sack, 2 hits, and 4 pressures, on about 150 less reps. He's the best pass-blocking center in the league. Pocic lets in less than 1 more pressure per game, on a team that passed the ball far more than the Packers did, with a quarterback/scheme that holds the ball longer than Rodgers does. If your angle is that erasing less than 1 pressure per game on average is worth more than upgrading WR3, which sees the field on about 2/3rds of the snaps... I just don't know what to tell you. It's irrational. It certainly doesn't jive with building around Russ.

    Furthermore, if your angle is that a mid-day-2 rookie is likely to be that much better on pass sets than Pocic, I mean... no. Just no. More likely to be a virtual wash than anything.

    3. Three Pro Bowlers? Would be nice, but no. 3 above average? Absolutely necessary. Chiefs had Hardman/Tyreek/Watkins. Tampa had Evans/Godwin/Miller, which was already great before AB. You're so damn keen on building around Russ? HE NEEDS PLAYMAKERS. Not 2 receivers and call it a day. That's not how CHAMPIONSHIP teams work, and the playoffs isn't an indicator of success to you.


    Now your somehow convinced that Pocic is as good as Linsley . Like you said, with that kind of thinking, I dont know what to tell you. At this point, I fully expect the front office to sign another guard since they whiffed on center so far, so that Lewis takes over the position. Minus a couple bad snaps, Lewis (a rookie) played just as well as Pocic. The two biggest weaknesses on the line last season was left guard and center. In typical Carroll fashion, he half assed the solution by only addressing one of them. I liken it to bringing in Adams (a safety) to fix the pass rush issue. It failed and the team had to bring in a legit pass rusher in Dunlap mid season to actually really fix the problem. They will do the same eventually with the Oline, but its frustrating it takes them so long to see the obvious.

    I think its also cute that you feel Waldron is going to come in and miraculously change the offense so much so that it should mask the offensive lines shortcomings with different looks and schemes with Wilson getting the ball out quicker thus eliminating him getting throttled all the time. If you think for one second that at some point during the season that Pete doesnt meddle and resorts back to Pete Ball again, I dont know what to tell you. It happens every season regardless of the OC and its going to happen again this season. Why? Because Pete cant help himself. It will happen. Bank it.

    Mercole Hardman - 560 yards and 4 TDs. Scotty Miller - 501 yards and 3 TDs. David Moore - 417 yards and 6 TDs. What am I missing here? All seem pretty comparable to me. Know what else they all have in common? They are all a dime a dozen in FA. Again, the #3 WR position is not that critical. Even when Seattle had Gordon and he played, they only threw at him once or twice a game. I get it. Your defending your narrative because the Seahawks went that route and your the most optimistic person on the boards. Thats totally cool. I just feel you may have glanced past the big picture. Russ wanted help on the Oline (man he was jealous of Brady sitting back there eating a sandwich during the Super Bowl) and all the FO did was give him a Guard and a rookie tackle that wont see the field barring major injuries. Thats not good enough.
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Re: Draft assessment
Tue May 04, 2021 8:11 am
  • pittpnthrs wrote: Now your somehow convinced that Pocic is as good as Linsley .


    Strawman. He said Linsley gives up on average one less pressure per game than Pocic does.

    pittpnthrs wrote: In typical Carroll fashion, he half assed the solution by only addressing one of them. I liken it to bringing in Adams (a safety) to fix the pass rush issue.


    Incorrect. Adams was brought in BEFORE Bruce Irvin was injured.

    pittpnthrs wrote: If you think for one second that at some point during the season that Pete doesnt meddle and resorts back to Pete Ball again, I dont know what to tell you. It happens every season regardless of the OC and its going to happen again this season. Why? Because Pete cant help himself. It will happen. Bank it.


    If Pete Ball means fixing the horrendous 10 turnover over 4 game fiasco, then more Pete Ball please. But my feeling is that the offense WILL be different under Waldron. We will just have to wait and see.

    pittpnthrs wrote: Russ wanted help on the Oline (man he was jealous of Brady sitting back there eating a sandwich during the Super Bowl) and all the FO did was give him a Guard and a rookie tackle that wont see the field barring major injuries. Thats not good enough.


    The FO job is not to placate Russell, or any individual player. Their job is to set up the TEAM for success. The moves they've made in this off season indicate to me that is exactly what they are doing.
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Re: Draft assessment
Tue May 04, 2021 10:44 am
  • hoxrox wrote:The FO job is not to placate Russell, or any individual player. Their job is to set up the TEAM for success. The moves they've made in this off season indicate to me that is exactly what they are doing.


    Really? The one guy thats the difference between 4 to 5 wins to 10 to 12 shouldnt be looked after and satisfied with his wishes? He is the one player that the coaches and FO should be bending over backwards to make happy. Not sure how that escapes you. A once in a generation QB and he's just another player to you. Sheesh.

    Do you actually see the Seahawks as being any better this season than last? I sure dont. Its going to be the same old same old.
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Re: Draft assessment
Tue May 04, 2021 10:50 am
  • hoxrox wrote:Incorrect. Adams was brought in BEFORE Bruce Irvin was injured.


    Oh yeah. I almost forgot about the irrelevant Irvin being signed to be the savior. He was drafted way to early when he was a rookie (by Seattle) and he never really improved. I thought so little of that resign that I plum forgot about him. Thanks for reminding me.
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Re: Draft assessment
Tue May 04, 2021 11:27 am
  • pittpnthrs wrote:
    Do you actually see the Seahawks as being any better this season than last? I sure dont. Its going to be the same old same old.



    How do you not see them as better? Russ is Russ. The OL is much better. Mike Iupoti was a shell last year with nothing behind him. No reasonable back up for Duane Brown or a swing tackle. Cedric Ogbuehi was new the team but a huge bust in Cinci, but he started to look okay (not great, but okay) towards the end of the season.

    The whole group of running backs were hurt. 2020 WRs were really weak after Tyler and DK. David Moore was at best a #4 or #5 on most teams. TEs were well below expectations. Uncle Will was working back from injury, Greg Olson was a disappointment, Jacob Hollister was a decent pass catching TE who played more than he should have - and he missed may too many blocks. Game after game it was mind blowing.

    The defensive line was really young and Reed had underperformed the year before. LBs outside of Bobby and KJ were a complete unknown to start the season, but Jordyn Brooks finished the year as a rising star. Before Blair went down the '20 secondary was compared to the next LOB, and they had many thunderous hits. Lack of depth showed last year big time.

    All the top players return again this year, and the young players will be improved. I think Collier and Robinson will look pretty good. Robinson is working with Cliff Avril, which is great. Kerry Hyder is an underrated player that should fit the Bennet role real nice. To me, adding Hyder to rotate around and allowing Poona to play more 3-Tech is an upgrade to Reed. Corner is a big question mark, but Pete usually does a pretty good job getting those guys to play.

    Offense has to be better. Gabe Jackson is a big upgrade and Pocic should be healthy again. Swing tackles will be better, but I'd like to get another stout back up guard. TEs will be better. Everett, Dissley, & Parkinson (healthy and stronger) will fit Waldron just fine. I'd expect more Big TE (the Fant role) when the need arises.

    This rant post is way too dang long, but I just don't see why you think we'll be the same or worse than last year?

    Barring injuries is this team could win 14 games next year, before the playoffs. The evolution of the running game will dictate the playoffs. Can't wait for a cold beer and gamedays!
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Re: Draft assessment
Tue May 04, 2021 11:57 am
  • I don't think anyone believes Pocic is as good as Linsley and I didn't get the impression that the other dude said that nor was that was his point...I think he's just trying to say that most centers are going to give up pressures, even the all-pro ones. So the margin in stats is not that far apart. Hell no is Pocic better. We all know that. I do think a bad-ass center is very important to a team and QB. What's missing from Pocic is the ability to be a game changer, which he is not. He is clearly an average Center at best. However, I don't think he is THE problem. Just like how you don't think Moore is THE problem in THE passing game. Everyone on the line was failing towards the end of the year. It's a combo of bad coaching, bad play calling, and bad play.

    Mecole Hartman and Scotty Miller were 4th or 5th options on their teams. What was missing from last year was a viable #3 option. I don't care whether it WR, TE, RB being #3 options, just somebody emerge... Nobody besides Lockett or Metcalf was effective. David Moore's production as a #3 option was not impactful enough. He was not a threat game in and game out. You telling me that a little over 400 yards as a #3 option was good enough? That's about 25 yards a game...He had some TDs, he did a great job for us there. Hartman and Miller had more yards as lesser options. At least this upcoming season, the Hawks have explosive dudes with play making ability as #3 candidates (Eskridge, Everett).

    Whether it is TE, RB, WR you need a 3rd option. With 2, we saw teams take out 1 dude and let the other one eat. What that does to a team is it allows the def. to dictate where the ball is going pre-snap. You take away one side and allow completions to another part of the field. Makes it so easy for defenses to play and make tackles. That was the impact of not having true options besides 2 players. In fact, we saw it in the SB. KC's oline was trash but their WRs were also trash. Hardman, Watkins, Robinson failed to do anything....The Bucs employed almost the same tactical defense of taking away Hill and let Kelce eat. They dared anyone else to do anything. So I don't think any average joe can make a true difference. However you can mask an average or below average center a little bit better.
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Re: Draft assessment
Tue May 04, 2021 1:33 pm
  • pittpnthrs wrote:
    hoxrox wrote:Incorrect. Adams was brought in BEFORE Bruce Irvin was injured.


    Oh yeah. I almost forgot about the irrelevant Irvin being signed to be the savior. He was drafted way to early when he was a rookie (by Seattle) and he never really improved. I thought so little of that resign that I plum forgot about him. Thanks for reminding me.


    Why make overstatements like this? Just to inflame? It's dishonest and wrong.

    I'm starting to realize that you're always disappointed because you have set up impossible scenarios in your own mind, then they don't happen. Explains much.
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Re: Draft assessment
Tue May 04, 2021 3:01 pm
  • nwHawk wrote:This rant post is way too dang long, but I just don't see why you think we'll be the same or worse than last year?


    Pete Carroll

    Barring injuries is this team could win 14 games next year, before the playoffs. The evolution of the running game will dictate the playoffs. Can't wait for a cold beer and gamedays!


    Seattle might possibly be the worst team in the NFC West (depending on the improvement of Murray). When they dont meet your expectations, how long are you going to sit scratching your head?
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Re: Draft assessment
Tue May 04, 2021 3:05 pm
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    pittpnthrs wrote:
    hoxrox wrote:Incorrect. Adams was brought in BEFORE Bruce Irvin was injured.


    Oh yeah. I almost forgot about the irrelevant Irvin being signed to be the savior. He was drafted way to early when he was a rookie (by Seattle) and he never really improved. I thought so little of that resign that I plum forgot about him. Thanks for reminding me.


    Why make overstatements like this? Just to inflame? It's dishonest and wrong.

    I'm starting to realize that you're always disappointed because you have set up impossible scenarios in your own mind, then they don't happen. Explains much.


    Irvin was brought up. Was he or was he not brought in to fix the pass rush issue?
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Re: Draft assessment
Tue May 04, 2021 3:46 pm
  • pittpnthrs wrote:
    Ad Hawk wrote:
    pittpnthrs wrote:
    hoxrox wrote:Incorrect. Adams was brought in BEFORE Bruce Irvin was injured.


    Oh yeah. I almost forgot about the irrelevant Irvin being signed to be the savior. He was drafted way to early when he was a rookie (by Seattle) and he never really improved. I thought so little of that resign that I plum forgot about him. Thanks for reminding me.


    Why make overstatements like this? Just to inflame? It's dishonest and wrong.

    I'm starting to realize that you're always disappointed because you have set up impossible scenarios in your own mind, then they don't happen. Explains much.


    Irvin was brought up. Was he or was he not brought in to fix the pass rush issue?


    Fix? Who ever said that? He was brought in to contribute to a pass rush.

    Your term "Savior" was ludicrous, and indicates your fallacious thinking. Only you ever assumed he was some kind of Savior or you never would have used the term. Again, no wonder your posts reek of depression.
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Re: Draft assessment
Tue May 04, 2021 6:21 pm
  • Ad Hawk wrote:
    pittpnthrs wrote:
    Ad Hawk wrote:
    pittpnthrs wrote:
    Oh yeah. I almost forgot about the irrelevant Irvin being signed to be the savior. He was drafted way to early when he was a rookie (by Seattle) and he never really improved. I thought so little of that resign that I plum forgot about him. Thanks for reminding me.


    Why make overstatements like this? Just to inflame? It's dishonest and wrong.

    I'm starting to realize that you're always disappointed because you have set up impossible scenarios in your own mind, then they don't happen. Explains much.


    Irvin was brought up. Was he or was he not brought in to fix the pass rush issue?


    Fix? Who ever said that? He was brought in to contribute to a pass rush.

    Your term "Savior" was ludicrous, and indicates your fallacious thinking. Only you ever assumed he was some kind of Savior or you never would have used the term. Again, no wonder your posts reek of depression.


    All the talk was how Irvin and Mayowa was going to fix the pass rush issues.

    My posts reek of truth. Fans just dont want to accept it.
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Re: Draft assessment
Tue May 04, 2021 6:36 pm
  • pittpnthrs wrote:
    Ad Hawk wrote:
    pittpnthrs wrote:
    Ad Hawk wrote:
    Why make overstatements like this? Just to inflame? It's dishonest and wrong.

    I'm starting to realize that you're always disappointed because you have set up impossible scenarios in your own mind, then they don't happen. Explains much.


    Irvin was brought up. Was he or was he not brought in to fix the pass rush issue?


    Fix? Who ever said that? He was brought in to contribute to a pass rush.

    Your term "Savior" was ludicrous, and indicates your fallacious thinking. Only you ever assumed he was some kind of Savior or you never would have used the term. Again, no wonder your posts reek of depression.


    All the talk was how Irvin and Mayowa was going to fix the pass rush issues.

    My posts reek of truth. Fans just dont want to accept it.


    Your posts reek of hyperbole, half-truths, and strawmen, which is exactly what everyone is telling you. :D

    By the way, Mayowa did make the pass rush better, and Irvin probably would have from SAM if he hadn't gotten injured early. Don't misrepresent the facts. You think 1 pressure a game cripples an offense, so how about Mayowa's six sacks on 50% snaps played? Yet another hole in your logic.
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Re: Draft assessment
Tue May 04, 2021 9:55 pm
  • Maelstrom787 wrote:
    pittpnthrs wrote:
    Ad Hawk wrote:
    pittpnthrs wrote:
    Irvin was brought up. Was he or was he not brought in to fix the pass rush issue?


    Fix? Who ever said that? He was brought in to contribute to a pass rush.

    Your term "Savior" was ludicrous, and indicates your fallacious thinking. Only you ever assumed he was some kind of Savior or you never would have used the term. Again, no wonder your posts reek of depression.


    All the talk was how Irvin and Mayowa was going to fix the pass rush issues.

    My posts reek of truth. Fans just dont want to accept it.


    Your posts reek of hyperbole, half-truths, and strawmen, which is exactly what everyone is telling you. :D

    By the way, Mayowa did make the pass rush better, and Irvin probably would have from SAM if he hadn't gotten injured early. Don't misrepresent the facts. You think 1 pressure a game cripples an offense, so how about Mayowa's six sacks on 50% snaps played? Yet another hole in your logic.


    Eh, you think the #3 receiver is absolutely critical for NFL success. Its all good. Regardless of all our squabblings, we all know how the season is destined to end. Another early playoff exit IF they even make it. At least we can all agree on that.
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Re: Draft assessment
Tue May 04, 2021 9:57 pm
  • pittpnthrs wrote:Eh, you think the #3 receiver is absolutely critical for NFL success. Its all good. Regardless of all our squabblings, we all know how the season is destined to end. Another early playoff exit IF they even make it. At least we can all agree on that.


    If the team is improved, which can and has been objectively shown, then your premise is rejected.
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Re: Draft assessment
Tue May 04, 2021 10:14 pm
  • pittpnthrs wrote:
    Maelstrom787 wrote:
    pittpnthrs wrote:
    Ad Hawk wrote:
    Fix? Who ever said that? He was brought in to contribute to a pass rush.

    Your term "Savior" was ludicrous, and indicates your fallacious thinking. Only you ever assumed he was some kind of Savior or you never would have used the term. Again, no wonder your posts reek of depression.


    All the talk was how Irvin and Mayowa was going to fix the pass rush issues.

    My posts reek of truth. Fans just dont want to accept it.


    Your posts reek of hyperbole, half-truths, and strawmen, which is exactly what everyone is telling you. :D

    By the way, Mayowa did make the pass rush better, and Irvin probably would have from SAM if he hadn't gotten injured early. Don't misrepresent the facts. You think 1 pressure a game cripples an offense, so how about Mayowa's six sacks on 50% snaps played? Yet another hole in your logic.


    Eh, you think the #3 receiver is absolutely critical for NFL success. Its all good. Regardless of all our squabblings, we all know how the season is destined to end. Another early playoff exit IF they even make it. At least we can all agree on that.


    It's a pretty necessary piece to go far into the postseason, bud. You're just arguing to argue. You know you're wrong, and you've got nothing to refute it.
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Re: Draft assessment
Wed May 05, 2021 2:28 am
  • Maelstrom787 wrote:
    pittpnthrs wrote:
    Maelstrom787 wrote:
    pittpnthrs wrote:
    All the talk was how Irvin and Mayowa was going to fix the pass rush issues.

    My posts reek of truth. Fans just dont want to accept it.


    Your posts reek of hyperbole, half-truths, and strawmen, which is exactly what everyone is telling you. :D

    By the way, Mayowa did make the pass rush better, and Irvin probably would have from SAM if he hadn't gotten injured early. Don't misrepresent the facts. You think 1 pressure a game cripples an offense, so how about Mayowa's six sacks on 50% snaps played? Yet another hole in your logic.


    Eh, you think the #3 receiver is absolutely critical for NFL success. Its all good. Regardless of all our squabblings, we all know how the season is destined to end. Another early playoff exit IF they even make it. At least we can all agree on that.


    It's a pretty necessary piece to go far into the postseason, bud. You're just arguing to argue. You know you're wrong, and you've got nothing to refute it.


    Except for the two examples you gave me (Super Bowl teams) that had very similar numbers to Moore last season, but you keep believing in everything the team does and thinking things are going to change bud.
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Re: Draft assessment
Wed May 05, 2021 6:39 am
  • One thing to keep in mind is Russ normally doesn’t throw guys open, he throws when guys are open (or lower risk situations). A bad #3 WR definitely allows the safeties to cheat making it harder for DK and Tyler.
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Re: Draft assessment
Wed May 05, 2021 8:02 am
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    hoxrox wrote:The FO job is not to placate Russell, or any individual player. Their job is to set up the TEAM for success. The moves they've made in this off season indicate to me that is exactly what they are doing.


    Really? The one guy thats the difference between 4 to 5 wins to 10 to 12 shouldnt be looked after and satisfied with his wishes? He is the one player that the coaches and FO should be bending over backwards to make happy. Not sure how that escapes you. A once in a generation QB and he's just another player to you. Sheesh.

    Do you actually see the Seahawks as being any better this season than last? I sure dont. Its going to be the same old same old.


    Russ IS getting the support he needs to succeed. Just not in the way you think he should. I won't bother trying to convince you because you've already revealed the inability to process information objectively.
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Re: Draft assessment
Wed May 05, 2021 9:36 am
  • Seahawks suck, they have never drafted anyone as late as they could have. Big Walt could have been picked up as an UDFA for $1,000 and a ham sandwich. Only other teams scout and pick players properly. If a player goes 1 pick before us, we should have traded up and if we select one, we could have traded down and still got him 170 rounds later.

    I think I summed up the feelings of many posters on this forum so there is no need to listen to them anymore.

    Seriously though, how many highly regarded picks turn out to be busts? All of the talking heads were happy with that LB we drafted a few years ago. Can't even remember his name he sucked so bad. Truth is, we will find out later if the picks were good or not. I will hold judgement until at least a few facts are in.
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Re: Draft assessment
Wed May 05, 2021 9:40 am
  • Yup, so true. A can’t miss blue chipper....straight line stiff Aaron Curry!
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Re: Draft assessment
Wed May 05, 2021 10:14 am
  • pittpnthrs wrote:Except for the two examples you gave me (Super Bowl teams) that had very similar numbers to Moore last season

    Except David Moore is now on the Panthers. Philip Dorsett is on the Jaguars, Greg Olsen is retired and Josh Gordon has been released. Do you honestly believe that our WR room was in good shape prior to the draft?

    It should tell you how empty our WR room was that three of the top UDFA WRs picked Seattle despite us drafting a WR. There's a good chance that at least two of those UDFAs will make the team if we carry six receivers again. You also need to consider that high variance in what receivers are asked to do. Eskridge is a high YAC guy who we needed last season; Lockett has great hands but he only had 2 broken tackles the entire season in 2020.

    Teceiver is still a need for us despite all the new additions. Unless the rookies show up extremely well in camp, which is possible with their skill sets, then I expect we will add another veteran receiver to the mix.
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Re: Draft assessment
Wed May 05, 2021 12:11 pm
  • pittpnthrs wrote:
    Maelstrom787 wrote:
    pittpnthrs wrote:
    Ad Hawk wrote:
    Fix? Who ever said that? He was brought in to contribute to a pass rush.

    Your term "Savior" was ludicrous, and indicates your fallacious thinking. Only you ever assumed he was some kind of Savior or you never would have used the term. Again, no wonder your posts reek of depression.


    All the talk was how Irvin and Mayowa was going to fix the pass rush issues.

    My posts reek of truth. Fans just dont want to accept it.


    Your posts reek of hyperbole, half-truths, and strawmen, which is exactly what everyone is telling you. :D

    By the way, Mayowa did make the pass rush better, and Irvin probably would have from SAM if he hadn't gotten injured early. Don't misrepresent the facts. You think 1 pressure a game cripples an offense, so how about Mayowa's six sacks on 50% snaps played? Yet another hole in your logic.


    Eh, you think the #3 receiver is absolutely critical for NFL success. Its all good. Regardless of all our squabblings, we all know how the season is destined to end. Another early playoff exit IF they even make it. At least we can all agree on that.


    No, that is NOT something we can all agree on. The fact that you even made that comment does nothing more than to expose your own depressing pessimistic viewpoint and lack of logical thinking. You seem to not quite grasp how hard it is for a team to reach the SB, let alone win it. The Seahawks have been a competitive team for almost every season since Carroll has been coach and there is nothing to indicate that they will not be this season as well. ANY team that makes the play-offs has just as good of a chance to make the SB as any other team. The fact that there are some teams that do great in regular season, only to get quickly knocked out of the play-offs normally has little to do with coaching. There are many other factors that more often contribute that have nothing to do with coaching.
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