How good can '21 DL be?

toffee · May 20, 2021

We lost Reed, can Collier fill that role? How good can our DL be in 2021?

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Jerhawk · May 20, 2021

Dunlap - Near the end of his career, but still has a lot left in the tank
Poona - Hopefully he can continue to improve and collapse the pocket more often. He's solid vs the run
Collier - Fingers crossed. At least he made some plays last year. He got the "bust" label removed. I'm not sure if he'll be as good as Reed.
Al Woods - He's familiar with the team and system. Great for depth
Robert Nkemdiche - If there's a coach that can motivate a player, it's coach Carroll. If this kid is motivated, it'll be huge for this team. If not, then oh well. No big deal
Darrell Taylor - Assuming he's on the line rushing, he sounds promising. They may try him at SAM though
Alton Robinson - He flashed last year
Aldon Smith - If he plays, and is motivated, that will be a huge boost to pass rush.

There's other players like Green and Mayowa that should play a role.
Their depth appears to be much better this year. Production is such an unknown because some of these guys are such a wildcard. They could be a top 5 D line if they all get it together and play well.
If one of these guys doesn't come through, this is a middle of the pack, average D line imo

toffee · May 20, 2021

Jerhawk":38lprvme said:
Dunlap - Near the end of his career, but still has a lot left in the tank
Poona - Hopefully he can continue to improve and collapse the pocket more often. He's solid vs the run
Collier - Fingers crossed. At least he made some plays last year. He got the "bust" label removed. I'm not sure if he'll be as good as Reed.
Al Woods - He's familiar with the team and system. Great for depth
Robert Nkemdiche - If there's a coach that can motivate a player, it's coach Carroll. If this kid is motivated, it'll be huge for this team. If not, then oh well. No big deal
Darrell Taylor - Assuming he's on the line rushing, he sounds promising. They may try him at SAM though
Alton Robinson - He flashed last year
Aldon Smith - If he plays, and is motivated, that will be a huge boost to pass rush.

There's other players like Green and Mayowa that should play a role.
Their depth appears to be much better this year. Production is such an unknown because some of these guys are such a wildcard. They could be a top 5 D line if they all get it together and play well.
If one of these guys doesn't come through, this is a middle of the pack, average D line imo

For Collier, his 'bust' label was partially removed, he still has a lot to prove. The plays of Green, Collier, Alton, Darrell and Poona will determine how well our DL perform? Dunlap, Woods, Aldon are known commodity.

hoxrox · May 20, 2021

Need some run-stopping beefy dudes to keep the linebackers clean. A lot was made about the bad game plan / poor QB play in that playoff game, but Cam Akers ran for a buck thirty one against us.

Pass rush wise? They can be really good.

toffee · May 20, 2021

hoxrox":1d6tigsc said:
Need some run-stopping beefy dudes to keep the linebackers clean. A lot was made about the bad game plan / poor QB play in that playoff game, but Cam Akers ran for a buck thirty one against us.

Pass rush wise? They can be really good.

Without the pick6?

jammerhawk · May 20, 2021

Jerhawk":2m44yokr said:
Dunlap - Near the end of his career, but still has a lot left in the tank
Poona - Hopefully he can continue to improve and collapse the pocket more often. He's solid vs the run
Collier - Fingers crossed. At least he made some plays last year. He got the "bust" label removed. I'm not sure if he'll be as good as Reed.
Al Woods - He's familiar with the team and system. Great for depth
Robert Nkemdiche - If there's a coach that can motivate a player, it's coach Carroll. If this kid is motivated, it'll be huge for this team. If not, then oh well. No big deal
Darrell Taylor - Assuming he's on the line rushing, he sounds promising. They may try him at SAM though
Alton Robinson - He flashed last year
Aldon Smith - If he plays, and is motivated, that will be a huge boost to pass rush.

There's other players like Green and Mayowa that should play a role.
Their depth appears to be much better this year. Production is such an unknown because some of these guys are such a wildcard. They could be a top 5 D line if they all get it together and play well.
If one of these guys doesn't come through, this is a middle of the pack, average D line imo

Your list needs amending.

Here below are the guys on the roster at present excluding Taylor who the team has indicated will play SOLB:

LDE- 91- L.J. Collier, u/k- Kerry Hyder, 94- Rasheem Green, 48- Marcus Webb,

LDT- 92?- Al Woods, 75- Cedrick Lattimore (F), 90?- Robert Nkemdiche, 62- Jarrod Hewitt,

RDT- 97- Poona Ford, 92- Bryan Mone, 67 - Myles Adams (F), 64- Walter Palmore,

RDE- 43?- Carlos Dunlap, 95- Benson Mayowa, 98- Alton Robinson, 99?- Aldon Smith,

Kerry Hyder is a sleeper addition who could be very good either as a 5 Tech or as a situational 3 Tech. My suspicion is we will see more of Collier playing as a 3 tech than as a DE. At present nobody knows what Nkemdiche will bring to the table and if Aldon Smith will be allowed to play and not suspended. If Smith is allowed play the team could have a very strong and deep contingent of pass rushers with hybrid type 5/3 tech guys and flat out Leo types including Taylor who will be a pass rushing specialist in some situations. There looks to be adequate beef with Woods, Ford, Mone, and Lattimore.

My prediction is they will be very strong .

Jerhawk · May 20, 2021

I was just listing players off the top of my head. My apologies

sdog1981 · May 20, 2021

I like the depth of the Dline. It could be one of the better units on the team after years of being a nonfactor.

Own The West · May 20, 2021

Like others, I believe the depth of this DL group is going to be its biggest strength. J.Reed played 847 snaps last year, Poona was 670, and then everyone else was under 500. This year I think we can keep everyone under 600. And while there's nobody 'scary' on our line, I think if our guys can play 84 quarters straight like their hair's on fire we'll be a dominant defense.

With the exception of Ford and Dunlap, I don't really see a difference between 1&2 on our depth chart, and it's possible our 3rd and long package will be completely different guys than our 1-2nd down group.

We will see if Hyder takes Collier's place on the depth chart. I'm just excited we have people who can challenge the starters for the first time in ... years!

jammerhawk · May 21, 2021

Jerhawk:

No worries wasn't slagging at all, just reminding that Hyder is a sneaky potentially excellent addition by the team that could bear solid positive results.

The Line will clearly be deeper than it has been in few seasons and maybe the subtraction of Reed may prove to be a positive on more than one level.

Sgt. Largent · May 21, 2021

Probably the deepest DL rotation since 2013-2014, but still relying on young guys to realize potential and old guys to not get hurt.

We said some of these same things last year, then Irvin was done and other injuries happened.

sdog1981 · May 21, 2021

Along with the depth the 2013 team had 6 DL players with over 500 snaps. The 2020 team only had 4 with Reed logging over 800.

toffee · May 21, 2021

Fresher legs come week 13 onward would be priceless, key is to control snaps. Can't burnt out those legs come playoff time.

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Sgt. Largent · May 21, 2021

toffee":36ag3vvz said:
Fresher legs come week 13 onward would be priceless, key is to control snaps. Can't burnt out those legs come playoff time.

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If there's no drop off with Dunlap, Mayowa and Ford, and the young guys like Taylor and Robinson can develop? Should be a very good DL.

Hyder's the wildcard, and the one lineman I'm most intrigued by. Could be a steal of a signing, he was REALLY emerging at the end of last year when he came in for Bosa.

toffee · May 21, 2021

Sgt. Largent":1mks3j0q said:
toffee":1mks3j0q said:

Fresher legs come week 13 onward would be priceless, key is to control snaps. Can't burnt out those legs come playoff time.

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If there's no drop off with Dunlap, Mayowa and Ford, and the young guys like Taylor and Robinson can develop? Should be a very good DL.

Hyder's the wildcard, and the one lineman I'm most intrigued by. Could be a steal of a signing, he was REALLY emerging at the end of last year when he came in for Bosa.

Totally wishful thinking on my part here: Collier ( 6'2", 290lbs) and Aaron Donald （6'1", 280lbs) are about the same size, both a bit undersized for DT? If Collier could be half as productive as Donald, to the tune of 7 sacks, 13 solo tackles, 14 QB hits and 2 forced fumbles, our DL will do just fine.

. It's the off season, one could dream, couldn't one?

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Jville · May 23, 2021

The competition they have reporting for training camp reminds me a bit of 2013. However, rule changes and points of emphasis on game day have changed a lot since 2013. Defenses have been forced to attack more aggressively. The zone blitz, for example, seems to me to have become more prominent.

So although I look forward to more in the way of player rotation, I suspect the make up of the 2021 rotation will reflect the cumulative rule changes and look a bit different than what we remember of that outstanding 2013 group.

I'm looking forward to watching Clint Hurtt put together his rotation. It's got the makings of another successful chapter in Seahawks history.

SoulfishHawk · May 24, 2021

I'm pretty stoked about the depth on the line. First time in many years it doesn't feel like a massive need to be filled. Though I still would like them to add another vet DT.

Sgt. Largent · May 24, 2021

toffee":2uco0rrr said:
Sgt. Largent":2uco0rrr said:

toffee":2uco0rrr said:

Fresher legs come week 13 onward would be priceless, key is to control snaps. Can't burnt out those legs come playoff time.

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If there's no drop off with Dunlap, Mayowa and Ford, and the young guys like Taylor and Robinson can develop? Should be a very good DL.

Hyder's the wildcard, and the one lineman I'm most intrigued by. Could be a steal of a signing, he was REALLY emerging at the end of last year when he came in for Bosa.

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Totally wishful thinking on my part here: Collier ( 6'2", 290lbs) and Aaron Donald （6'1", 280lbs) are about the same size, both a bit undersized for DT? If Collier could be half as productive as Donald, to the tune of 7 sacks, 13 solo tackles, 14 QB hits and 2 forced fumbles, our DL will do just fine.

. It's the off season, one could dream, couldn't one?

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Collier should benefit from the added depth and talent all along the line, but yes I think it's wishful thinking for him to be as productive as your numbers above.

He was a reach, and is proving the critics right about that. A good player, but still nowhere near what you want out of a 1st round D-lineman.

3 sacks last year? So I'd be happy if he bumped that up to 5. But more important is for him to become more disruptive in the interior.

toffee · May 24, 2021

Sgt. Largent":1fggu215 said:
toffee":1fggu215 said:

Sgt. Largent":1fggu215 said:

toffee":1fggu215 said:

Fresher legs come week 13 onward would be priceless, key is to control snaps. Can't burnt out those legs come playoff time.

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If there's no drop off with Dunlap, Mayowa and Ford, and the young guys like Taylor and Robinson can develop? Should be a very good DL.

Hyder's the wildcard, and the one lineman I'm most intrigued by. Could be a steal of a signing, he was REALLY emerging at the end of last year when he came in for Bosa.

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Totally wishful thinking on my part here: Collier ( 6'2", 290lbs) and Aaron Donald （6'1", 280lbs) are about the same size, both a bit undersized for DT? If Collier could be half as productive as Donald, to the tune of 7 sacks, 13 solo tackles, 14 QB hits and 2 forced fumbles, our DL will do just fine.

. It's the off season, one could dream, couldn't one?

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Collier should benefit from the added depth and talent all along the line, but yes I think it's wishful thinking for him to be as productive as your numbers above.

He was a reach, and is proving the critics right about that. A good player, but still nowhere near what you want out of a 1st round D-lineman.

3 sacks last year? So I'd be happy if he bumped that up to 5. But more important is for him to become more disruptive in the interior.

His 3 sacks, how many from DT position? Comparing to Jarran Reed, Collier is the same height, just 15 lbs lighter. Hoping that Collier could produce 5-6 sacks and 10-12 QB hits, ie something similar Reed.

Chawker · May 24, 2021

Our pass rush is fine, however our rush defense is not that good. This coupled with a aging MLB that has gone from making plays behind the line to missing tackles on our side of the line.

Our DTs are going to be a weak spot in our defense this season, it will force adams who is a hellva box safty to focus his attention inside on 1st and second downs. Which could lead to more injuries this season.

Watch for 2 runs and a short pass that how teams will move the ball on us in 2021. DTs we need help!

Cheers

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