It's time to turn things loose

Last year, our offense was high scoring to start the season. It was a necessity because of how bad the defense was. Russell Wilson kept us in playoff contention by being confident and aggressive. Then Russell Wilson started turning the ball over, and Pete stepped in to move to an ultra conservative offense where the focus was to avoid turnovers.

Now, after the Titans game Pete made comments about the time of possession. Clearly, like some Seahawks analysts and fans, people were not a fan of the high scoring "quick strike" offense. It was more important to churn out long drives, and that's exactly what the Seahawks attempted to do against the Vikings.

The problem with that, is you can only churn out drives and play a ball control offense, when your defense is at least decent. But the defense is not decent, and the result is an offense that does not look confident..that never goes for it on 4th down. That is being pushed away from seeking out the big play. We need to leave that thinking behind once and for all. If we're going to have Russell as our QB, allow him to be aggressive. Allow him to make the tight window throws he made in the first part of the 2020 season. Kyler Murray has turned the ball over several times, but he scores and he has an aggressive offense minded coach. Whatever happened to big balls Pete?

Allow the offense to be aggressive. If we sputter in the middle of the season, allow the offense to work through it instead of putting archaic handcuffs on the offense. If we don't do this, we won't have nearly enough possessions to compete with good teams because of how bad the defense is.

Very well put ^^^
The only thing we have to lose by playing with finesse & conservativity , is->>>> MORE GAMES.

Disagree, the silver lining in this game for me was that the offense looked more sustainable than it did last week. TEs and RBs actually had targets.

The only reason they didn't score more was because they didn't have possession much in the second half. And also because Chris Carson only had 12 carries, despite a 6.7 average yards per carry. The run was having success, and then they went away from it on key situations.

It doesn't matter if you (maybe) score fast in 2 minutes, when the other team is going to come right back and score in 5-6-7 minutes, keeping you off the field. It's a zero sum game.

Boom or bust offense + bend but don't break defense = dead last in the league in time of possession. That's not a recipe for success. You really need balance for sustained success in the NFL these days, UNLESS a defense dictates otherwise.

It's time.

massari":jx7mzu4p said:

It's time.

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I mean.. it's the only way... our Defense can handle SHIAT

hoxrox":29lvpd6m said:

Disagree, the silver lining in this game for me was that the offense looked more sustainable than it did last week. TEs and RBs actually had targets.

The only reason they didn't score more was because they didn't have possession much in the second half. And also because Chris Carson only had 12 carries, despite a 6.7 average yards per carry. The run was having success, and then they went away from it on key situations.

It doesn't matter if you (maybe) score fast in 2 minutes, when the other team is going to come right back and score in 5-6-7 minutes, keeping you off the field. It's a zero sum game.

Boom or bust offense + bend but don't break defense = dead last in the league in time of possession. That's not a recipe for success. You really need balance for sustained success in the NFL these days, UNLESS a defense dictates otherwise.

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I’m not saying we don’t need some balance. I’m saying that our deep shots scare the ever living crap out of teams. And we should not run away from that identity.

Even if it’s a wasted throw, whenever Russ corks back that moon ball, it spikes fear. You cannot remove that from the offense.

I watched the Rams and Packers, and they were not afraid to have quick strike drives. No great offense does. The problem, is the defense is so bad we can’t do quick strike drives because they won’t be able to get off the field. That’s really bad, but that’s not on the offense.

The offense was good yesterday, but it didn’t have an identity. The identity is striking fear in opponents over the top. Defenses should be afraid of that on every play

Scorpion05":2mppcre8 said:

hoxrox":2mppcre8 said:

Disagree, the silver lining in this game for me was that the offense looked more sustainable than it did last week. TEs and RBs actually had targets.

The only reason they didn't score more was because they didn't have possession much in the second half. And also because Chris Carson only had 12 carries, despite a 6.7 average yards per carry. The run was having success, and then they went away from it on key situations.

It doesn't matter if you (maybe) score fast in 2 minutes, when the other team is going to come right back and score in 5-6-7 minutes, keeping you off the field. It's a zero sum game.

Boom or bust offense + bend but don't break defense = dead last in the league in time of possession. That's not a recipe for success. You really need balance for sustained success in the NFL these days, UNLESS a defense dictates otherwise.

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I’m not saying we don’t need some balance. I’m saying that our deep shots scare the ever living crap out of teams. And we should not run away from that identity.

Even if it’s a wasted throw, whenever Russ corks back that moon ball, it spikes fear. You cannot remove that from the offense.

I watched the Rams and Packers, and they were not afraid to have quick strike drives. No great offense does. The problem, is the defense is so bad we can’t do quick strike drives because they won’t be able to get off the field. That’s really bad, but that’s not on the offense.

The offense was good yesterday, but it didn’t have an identity. The identity is striking fear in opponents over the top. Defenses should be afraid of that on every play

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Definitely they need to keep the deep shots in the play book. And the quick strikes to DK in the middle were awesome. But Zimmer likes to play a lot of cover two and Chris was having a good day against them.

IMO, a good amount of carries would be around 20 if the defense is showing a lot of cover two. Chris only had 12.

But you're right. The offense has no identity.

Right now, if the defense does not give up a score on a drive - that is an anomaly. In fact, we feel fortunate if we don't give up a TD.

In that environment, the offense has to score TDs every drive. When you take a low % moonshot to take the top off the defense, you give yourself only 2 downs to convert with. Which may work 1 in 3 or 4, but those other drives then become punts...and you are not seeing the ball again for 8-10 mins after any drive.

We have to figure out how to focus on high % plays to move consistently down the field because any drive we do not score in is then a failure putting us 3-7 points behind. Pete and Wilson both love those plays, and they help our offense later but we probably no longer have the luxury to take them. If we do take them, do it on 3rd and longs. And we need to take them down the middle. Getting really tired of these low % sideline patterns that result in punts more than anything else.