If Norton were to be fired…

oldhawkfan · Sep 27, 2021

I started this thread title with an if because I seriously don’t think Pete will fire him in season. Has Pete ever fired a coach in season? I also started this thread not as another opinion thread on how bad he is and why he should be fired but as a thread on who should replace him.

Quinn and Richard are names that could come up after the season is over. In season, who would be most likely to take over DC responsibilities? A position coach already on the staff who would then need a replacement for his job upon getting promoted? Is there a guy not coaching anywhere currently that is familiar enough with hat Pete wants that could execute it?
DL coach Clint Hurtt?

Mizak · Sep 27, 2021

He should get fired after the Rams game cuz trust me, the Rams are gonna go for the Hawks throat and won’t stop. And we’ll be like, “Rams, stop, please stop.”

FloridaSeahawk18 · Sep 27, 2021

I don't think he fires him either during the season (see Tom Cable/Darrell Bevell/Schotty). Pete will go down with the ship along with KNJ. Depending on how bad this season goes Pete may retire after this season which is our only hope.

TwistedHusky · Sep 27, 2021

Honestly, you go get Kris Richard.

He wasn't terrible. He could somehow produce even with Pete's weird tactics/strategy.

He did it without a lot of talent (remember he kept us somewhat afloat when half the LOB ended up going down with injury.) He knows how to coach DBs.

He is a coach for the Saints, who are way better than us, but it would be a step back up to DC for him.

There is literally nobody that could be worse than Norton. He will be the worst DC we ever will have.

So you could technically pick ANY coach and they would do better because it would be near impossible to do worse. Yesterday Zimmer said that the Viking offense had the best performance it ever had in the past 8 years.

You could pick names out of a hat and still get better results than Norton. But if you wanted a shot at least being palatable if not serviceable, then Kris Richard would be a good choice. Even with Carroll's meddling, because Kris has worked with that before.

Not even sure it would be that bad because Norton has a tendency to make his talent look worse than it is.

Sgt. Largent · Sep 27, 2021

You can fire Norton, but that's not going to fix the defense.

What's the old saying "it's about the Johnny's and Joes, not the X's and O's." So Reed, Flowers and the other defensive players can throw the scheme confusion and coaching under the bus all they want, they flat out stink.

At this point I've seen enough, put in Jones, put in Blair, put in Brown. I don't care, I can't go another 14 weeks with the train wreck that is Tre Flowers, I'm 52, he's the worst cornerback I've EVER seen in a Seahawk uniform...........and that's saying something, cause we've had some doozies. He can't press, he can't play man, he can't turn his hips correctly......all he does is play 10 yards off the ball and hope it doesn't come to his side.

Tusc2000 · Sep 27, 2021

TwistedHusky":1st0eegn said:
Honestly, you go get Kris Richard.

He wasn't terrible. He could somehow produce even with Pete's weird tactics/strategy.

He did it without a lot of talent (remember he kept us somewhat afloat when half the LOB ended up going down with injury.) He knows how to coach DBs.

He is a coach for the Saints, who are way better than us, but it would be a step back up to DC for him.

There is literally nobody that could be worse than Norton. He will be the worst DC we ever will have.

So you could technically pick ANY coach and they would do better because it would be near impossible to do worse. Yesterday Zimmer said that the Viking offense had the best performance it ever had in the past 8 years.

You could pick names out of a hat and still get better results than Norton. But if you wanted a shot at least being palatable if not serviceable, then Kris Richard would be a good choice. Even with Carroll's meddling, because Kris has worked with that before.

Not even sure it would be that bad because Norton has a tendency to make his talent look worse than it is.

Firing an assistant coach mid-season would be humiliating, and Pete does not humiliate long-term assistants, who go way way back. Richard might be an option for 2022, he and Pete also have a long and storied history together, and Pete acknowledged he owes Kris big-time for what he did as a player back in 2001.

TwistedHusky · Sep 27, 2021

It is his legacy that he risks with that decision. He can protect Norton but he does it by imperiling how people remember him here.

Carroll is getting very close to being remembered more for squandering Russell Wilson than delivering a SB win.

This is unfortunate, because that SB is arguably the greatest event in Seattle sports history.

But if Wilson leaves, and Carroll leaves a smoldering husk of a team after he steps down in a peak of abject failure - he is going to be reviled here and blamed for the 3-5 (likely more) years of losing to ensue.

At least fixing the defense might give us a shot at keeping Wilson. It might not even be possible even then, but you have to at least try.

Because there is no upside with an aging coach and no QB on a team with holes all over the place, and little draft capital.

TheLegendOfBoom · Sep 27, 2021

Tusc2000":2mbww83c said:
TwistedHusky":2mbww83c said:

Honestly, you go get Kris Richard.

He wasn't terrible. He could somehow produce even with Pete's weird tactics/strategy.

He did it without a lot of talent (remember he kept us somewhat afloat when half the LOB ended up going down with injury.) He knows how to coach DBs.

He is a coach for the Saints, who are way better than us, but it would be a step back up to DC for him.

There is literally nobody that could be worse than Norton. He will be the worst DC we ever will have.

So you could technically pick ANY coach and they would do better because it would be near impossible to do worse. Yesterday Zimmer said that the Viking offense had the best performance it ever had in the past 8 years.

You could pick names out of a hat and still get better results than Norton. But if you wanted a shot at least being palatable if not serviceable, then Kris Richard would be a good choice. Even with Carroll's meddling, because Kris has worked with that before.

Not even sure it would be that bad because Norton has a tendency to make his talent look worse than it is.

Click to expand...

Firing an assistant coach mid-season would be humiliating, and Pete does not humiliate long-term assistants, who go way way back. Richard might be an option for 2022, he and Pete also have a long and storied history together, and Pete acknowledged he owes Kris big-time for what he did as a player back in 2001.

Carroll needs to man up and fire himself, kind of like how Chris Peterson did with the Huskies.

Carroll’s old man ways (I don’t like using personal attacks, but his defensive approach is all kinds of outdated, so personal attacks is fitting) needs to retire and someone that has some clue on how NFL football is to be played and managed in the year 2021 (almost 2022) can step in and bring some promise to this team that was once an NFL powerhouse.

Appyhawk · Sep 27, 2021

I think part of our problem is in the areas of chemistry and communication. We are now getting what should have been our pre-season experience.
I would like to see Quinn come back to handle our D.

TwistedHusky · Sep 27, 2021

Why would Quinn go from a better team to a team with a worse future?

WmHBonney · Sep 27, 2021

Call Matt Patricia. Let him do what he does best. Some guys are great coordinators but lousy head coaches.

chris98251 · Sep 27, 2021

TheLegendOfBoom":170v7m33 said:
Tusc2000":170v7m33 said:

TwistedHusky":170v7m33 said:

Honestly, you go get Kris Richard.

He wasn't terrible. He could somehow produce even with Pete's weird tactics/strategy.

He did it without a lot of talent (remember he kept us somewhat afloat when half the LOB ended up going down with injury.) He knows how to coach DBs.

He is a coach for the Saints, who are way better than us, but it would be a step back up to DC for him.

There is literally nobody that could be worse than Norton. He will be the worst DC we ever will have.

So you could technically pick ANY coach and they would do better because it would be near impossible to do worse. Yesterday Zimmer said that the Viking offense had the best performance it ever had in the past 8 years.

You could pick names out of a hat and still get better results than Norton. But if you wanted a shot at least being palatable if not serviceable, then Kris Richard would be a good choice. Even with Carroll's meddling, because Kris has worked with that before.

Not even sure it would be that bad because Norton has a tendency to make his talent look worse than it is.

Click to expand...

Firing an assistant coach mid-season would be humiliating, and Pete does not humiliate long-term assistants, who go way way back. Richard might be an option for 2022, he and Pete also have a long and storied history together, and Pete acknowledged he owes Kris big-time for what he did as a player back in 2001.

Click to expand...

Carroll needs to man up and fire himself, kind of like how Chris Peterson did with the Huskies.

Carroll’s old man ways (I don’t like using personal attacks, but his defensive approach is all kinds of outdated, so personal attacks is fitting) needs to retire and someone that has some clue on how NFL football is to be played and managed in the year 2021 (almost 2022) can step in and bring some promise to this team that was once an NFL powerhouse.

Not outdated, undermanned and not allowed to play downhill, they play backpedal, which if you have a simple scheme based on execution and imposing your will on people you already lost.

OrangeGravy · Sep 27, 2021

TwistedHusky":2dpvcito said:
It is his legacy that he risks with that decision. He can protect Norton but he does it by imperiling how people remember him here.

Carroll is getting very close to being remembered more for squandering Russell Wilson than delivering a SB win.

This is unfortunate, because that SB is arguably the greatest event in Seattle sports history.

But if Wilson leaves, and Carroll leaves a smoldering husk of a team after he steps down in a peak of abject failure - he is going to be reviled here and blamed for the 3-5 (likely more) years of losing to ensue.

At least fixing the defense might give us a shot at keeping Wilson. It might not even be possible even then, but you have to at least try.

Because there is no upside with an aging coach and no QB on a team with holes all over the place, and little draft capital.

Please give the squandering Russell Wilson's career a rest. By what career metric has Russell Wilson been squandered? SB win? SB appearances? Playoff appearances? Playoff wins? Personal stats? regular season wins? What? There isn't one metric in existence that a player of Russell's ability would be considered under achieving and any metric you might think is relevant, Russell has or had just as much control over the outcome if not more.

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