My thoughts

LTH":2xn0kwsi said:

The bottom line is they lost the game... This puts them in a deep hole...

There was improvement on D...The secondary was much tighter... they improved on 3rd down conversion and they were better against the run...the D put the team into position to win the game...

It just depends on how you see it... they lost a tough one in over time, on the road, to a good Steelers D.


I thought Geno played well over all...He managed the game very well. He did not play as well as I thought he was going to.

They were very conservative in the first half which makes me think they were trying to get him in the rhythm of the game with out putting to much pressure on him... I think the expectation I had for him was unrealistic for his first start in years. Will he be better? I think he will... But I also think its UNREALISTIC to JUDGE Geno off of ONE start.

a lot of people were looking to see if Geno was going to answer some questions about Russ not taking the check down and being a bit selfish concerning his stats vs the win... I don't think those questions were answered at least in my mind. I'm not downing Russ when I say these things.. I just think EVERY GREAT QB has to go through this type of self examination to jump to the next level (Brady)

I think the question that was answered is that Geno has some work to do to be a great starting caliber QB , as I feel Russ would have found a way to win that game...Its just a reminder to how great of a QB Russ is....to many opportunities lost, But that doesn't necessarily go ALL on Geno...That doesn't mean that Geno won't be better in the future and that doesn't mean that Geno is not going to fulfill his role.

lets give some credit to where credit is due Geno had some nice plays and managed the game well, just not to the level of an elite QB...Lets see where Geno takes it and how he Bounces back this will be the next question about Geno...

I think it is tragic that Russ got hurt because I think the D is turning it around...I believe if Russ was in there they would have won that game. That doesn't mean that he would have it just means that It's my opinion...

So where are they at this point?

They have to dig out of a deep hole down 4 games to the cards 3 to the Rams.

It's not over yet... lets see how the Hawks bounce back. This will be a big factor to see if this team can compete in the west.. We don't know what is going to happen.. the NFL is a crazy league and crazy sh!t happens.. the Cards and Rams had a fast start that doesn't mean that its going to continue. NOTHING is set in stone just perception..

Rather than attacking each other because of differing opinions we should talk about what's happening and what possibilities can happen for them to work out of this. GREATNESS IS DEFINED BY HOW ONE WORKS OUT OF ADVERSITY... This is what the Hawks are up against...This is where Carroll shines being the underdog.. lets see where it goes..


LTH

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LTH":38p2mcb6 said:

The bottom line is they lost the game... This puts them in a deep hole...

There was improvement on D...The secondary was much tighter... they improved on 3rd down conversion and they were better against the run...the D put the team into position to win the game...

It just depends on how you see it... they lost a tough one in over time, on the road, to a good Steelers D.


I thought Geno played well over all...He managed the game very well. He did not play as well as I thought he was going to.

They were very conservative in the first half which makes me think they were trying to get him in the rhythm of the game with out putting to much pressure on him... I think the expectation I had for him was unrealistic for his first start in years. Will he be better? I think he will... But I also think its UNREALISTIC to JUDGE Geno off of ONE start.

a lot of people were looking to see if Geno was going to answer some questions about Russ not taking the check down and being a bit selfish concerning his stats vs the win... I don't think those questions were answered at least in my mind. I'm not downing Russ when I say these things.. I just think EVERY GREAT QB has to go through this type of self examination to jump to the next level (Brady)

I think the question that was answered is that Geno has some work to do to be a great starting caliber QB , as I feel Russ would have found a way to win that game...Its just a reminder to how great of a QB Russ is....to many opportunities lost, But that doesn't necessarily go ALL on Geno...That doesn't mean that Geno won't be better in the future and that doesn't mean that Geno is not going to fulfill his role.

lets give some credit to where credit is due Geno had some nice plays and managed the game well, just not to the level of an elite QB...Lets see where Geno takes it and how he Bounces back this will be the next question about Geno...

I think it is tragic that Russ got hurt because I think the D is turning it around...I believe if Russ was in there they would have won that game. That doesn't mean that he would have it just means that It's my opinion...

So where are they at this point?

They have to dig out of a deep hole down 4 games to the cards 3 to the Rams.

It's not over yet... lets see how the Hawks bounce back. This will be a big factor to see if this team can compete in the west.. We don't know what is going to happen.. the NFL is a crazy league and crazy sh!t happens.. the Cards and Rams had a fast start that doesn't mean that its going to continue. NOTHING is set in stone just perception..

Rather than attacking each other because of differing opinions we should talk about what's happening and what possibilities can happen for them to work out of this. GREATNESS IS DEFINED BY HOW ONE WORKS OUT OF ADVERSITY... This is what the Hawks are up against...This is where Carroll shines being the underdog.. lets see where it goes..


LTH

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DangeRussHawk":39c6sjdd said:

The delusion is real with this post

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LTH":2rerhv93 said:

The bottom line is they lost the game... This puts them in a deep hole...

There was improvement on D...The secondary was much tighter... they improved on 3rd down conversion and they were better against the run...the D put the team into position to win the game...

It just depends on how you see it... they lost a tough one in over time, on the road, to a good Steelers D.


I thought Geno played well over all...He managed the game very well. He did not play as well as I thought he was going to.

They were very conservative in the first half which makes me think they were trying to get him in the rhythm of the game with out putting to much pressure on him... I think the expectation I had for him was unrealistic for his first start in years. Will he be better? I think he will... But I also think its UNREALISTIC to JUDGE Geno off of ONE start.

a lot of people were looking to see if Geno was going to answer some questions about Russ not taking the check down and being a bit selfish concerning his stats vs the win... I don't think those questions were answered at least in my mind. I'm not downing Russ when I say these things.. I just think EVERY GREAT QB has to go through this type of self examination to jump to the next level (Brady)

I think the question that was answered is that Geno has some work to do to be a great starting caliber QB , as I feel Russ would have found a way to win that game...Its just a reminder to how great of a QB Russ is....to many opportunities lost, But that doesn't necessarily go ALL on Geno...That doesn't mean that Geno won't be better in the future and that doesn't mean that Geno is not going to fulfill his role.

lets give some credit to where credit is due Geno had some nice plays and managed the game well, just not to the level of an elite QB...Lets see where Geno takes it and how he Bounces back this will be the next question about Geno...

I think it is tragic that Russ got hurt because I think the D is turning it around...I believe if Russ was in there they would have won that game. That doesn't mean that he would have it just means that It's my opinion...

So where are they at this point?

They have to dig out of a deep hole down 4 games to the cards 3 to the Rams.

It's not over yet... lets see how the Hawks bounce back. This will be a big factor to see if this team can compete in the west.. We don't know what is going to happen.. the NFL is a crazy league and crazy sh!t happens.. the Cards and Rams had a fast start that doesn't mean that its going to continue. NOTHING is set in stone just perception..

Rather than attacking each other because of differing opinions we should talk about what's happening and what possibilities can happen for them to work out of this. GREATNESS IS DEFINED BY HOW ONE WORKS OUT OF ADVERSITY... This is what the Hawks are up against...This is where Carroll shines being the underdog.. lets see where it goes..


LTH

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Jville":1om5ojzh said:

LTH":1om5ojzh said:

The bottom line is they lost the game... This puts them in a deep hole...

There was improvement on D...The secondary was much tighter... they improved on 3rd down conversion and they were better against the run...the D put the team into position to win the game...

It just depends on how you see it... they lost a tough one in over time, on the road, to a good Steelers D.


I thought Geno played well over all...He managed the game very well. He did not play as well as I thought he was going to.

They were very conservative in the first half which makes me think they were trying to get him in the rhythm of the game with out putting to much pressure on him... I think the expectation I had for him was unrealistic for his first start in years. Will he be better? I think he will... But I also think its UNREALISTIC to JUDGE Geno off of ONE start.

a lot of people were looking to see if Geno was going to answer some questions about Russ not taking the check down and being a bit selfish concerning his stats vs the win... I don't think those questions were answered at least in my mind. I'm not downing Russ when I say these things.. I just think EVERY GREAT QB has to go through this type of self examination to jump to the next level (Brady)

I think the question that was answered is that Geno has some work to do to be a great starting caliber QB , as I feel Russ would have found a way to win that game...Its just a reminder to how great of a QB Russ is....to many opportunities lost, But that doesn't necessarily go ALL on Geno...That doesn't mean that Geno won't be better in the future and that doesn't mean that Geno is not going to fulfill his role.

lets give some credit to where credit is due Geno had some nice plays and managed the game well, just not to the level of an elite QB...Lets see where Geno takes it and how he Bounces back this will be the next question about Geno...

I think it is tragic that Russ got hurt because I think the D is turning it around...I believe if Russ was in there they would have won that game. That doesn't mean that he would have it just means that It's my opinion...

So where are they at this point?

They have to dig out of a deep hole down 4 games to the cards 3 to the Rams.

It's not over yet... lets see how the Hawks bounce back. This will be a big factor to see if this team can compete in the west.. We don't know what is going to happen.. the NFL is a crazy league and crazy sh!t happens.. the Cards and Rams had a fast start that doesn't mean that its going to continue. NOTHING is set in stone just perception..

Rather than attacking each other because of differing opinions we should talk about what's happening and what possibilities can happen for them to work out of this. GREATNESS IS DEFINED BY HOW ONE WORKS OUT OF ADVERSITY... This is what the Hawks are up against...This is where Carroll shines being the underdog.. lets see where it goes..


LTH

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While I applaud your effort to bring a useful perspective, I think it will go no where. Your outnumbered by an emotional mob (90%+) that can't be bothered by thoughtful details that interrupt forum moaning and groaning and crying.

Speaking for myself, I enjoyed the Pittsburgh game. I learned a lot. But, this is the wrong forum to actually share game lessons. This forum is simply not conducive to analyzing a football game.

There will be no tolerance for any open and useful discussion about the throwing mechanics and release point of the current quarterback in comparison to his predecessor. Reactionary yelling and screaming is what this forum is about. Quite likely because it requires virtually nothing from it's practitioners.

Sorry :229031_shrug: it's just what happens to the purpose of open forums when it gets over run by reactionary noise. There are citizen journalists emerging as alternatives. But, it's left up to each of us to thoughtfully pick and chose who is worth looking in on.

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DangeRussHawk":3j5nojot said:

The delusion is real with this post

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LTH":23ynkzus said:

Has this team given up? No they have not

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LTH":3eqdsnbt said:

Jville":3eqdsnbt said:

LTH":3eqdsnbt said:

The bottom line is they lost the game... This puts them in a deep hole...

There was improvement on D...The secondary was much tighter... they improved on 3rd down conversion and they were better against the run...the D put the team into position to win the game...

It just depends on how you see it... they lost a tough one in over time, on the road, to a good Steelers D.


I thought Geno played well over all...He managed the game very well. He did not play as well as I thought he was going to.

They were very conservative in the first half which makes me think they were trying to get him in the rhythm of the game with out putting to much pressure on him... I think the expectation I had for him was unrealistic for his first start in years. Will he be better? I think he will... But I also think its UNREALISTIC to JUDGE Geno off of ONE start.

a lot of people were looking to see if Geno was going to answer some questions about Russ not taking the check down and being a bit selfish concerning his stats vs the win... I don't think those questions were answered at least in my mind. I'm not downing Russ when I say these things.. I just think EVERY GREAT QB has to go through this type of self examination to jump to the next level (Brady)

I think the question that was answered is that Geno has some work to do to be a great starting caliber QB , as I feel Russ would have found a way to win that game...Its just a reminder to how great of a QB Russ is....to many opportunities lost, But that doesn't necessarily go ALL on Geno...That doesn't mean that Geno won't be better in the future and that doesn't mean that Geno is not going to fulfill his role.

lets give some credit to where credit is due Geno had some nice plays and managed the game well, just not to the level of an elite QB...Lets see where Geno takes it and how he Bounces back this will be the next question about Geno...

I think it is tragic that Russ got hurt because I think the D is turning it around...I believe if Russ was in there they would have won that game. That doesn't mean that he would have it just means that It's my opinion...

So where are they at this point?

They have to dig out of a deep hole down 4 games to the cards 3 to the Rams.

It's not over yet... lets see how the Hawks bounce back. This will be a big factor to see if this team can compete in the west.. We don't know what is going to happen.. the NFL is a crazy league and crazy sh!t happens.. the Cards and Rams had a fast start that doesn't mean that its going to continue. NOTHING is set in stone just perception..

Rather than attacking each other because of differing opinions we should talk about what's happening and what possibilities can happen for them to work out of this. GREATNESS IS DEFINED BY HOW ONE WORKS OUT OF ADVERSITY... This is what the Hawks are up against...This is where Carroll shines being the underdog.. lets see where it goes..


LTH

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While I applaud your effort to bring a useful perspective, I think it will go no where. Your outnumbered by an emotional mob (90%+) that can't be bothered by thoughtful details that interrupt forum moaning and groaning and crying.

Speaking for myself, I enjoyed the Pittsburgh game. I learned a lot. But, this is the wrong forum to actually share game lessons. This forum is simply not conducive to analyzing a football game.

There will be no tolerance for any open and useful discussion about the throwing mechanics and release point of the current quarterback in comparison to his predecessor. Reactionary yelling and screaming is what this forum is about. Quite likely because it requires virtually nothing from it's practitioners.

Sorry :229031_shrug: it's just what happens to the purpose of open forums when it gets over run by reactionary noise. There are citizen journalists emerging as alternatives. But, it's left up to each of us to thoughtfully pick and chose who is worth looking in on.

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There are a lot of smart people on this board most of which choose not to post... does it look bleak? Why yes it does look bleak but that's is the reason that creates greatness... working out of negative situations... Are the Seahawks going to pull out of this? I have no idea what's going to happen but instead of whining and moaning about a loss lets talk about the football that's being played intelligently and explore what's happening more than fire everybody because it's not going the way we want to see it...

Maybe at the end of the season Pete will get fired and they will clean house... but right now that's not what's happening... what's happening is the Seahawks had a slow start they have dug them selves a hole lets see if they can work out of it...lets explore what's happening on the field instead of being so emotionally involved in the loss that half the city needs to take Prozac to get over it... It's not over... really its not... this team continues to grow and get better at some point they will break out lets hope its not to late...


LTH

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John63":2jkfdcuz said:

okay perspective time

this was a bottom 5 offense we faced. So saying the defense played well is hollow.

As to the offense once again we waste da half of football proving this is not a Wilson issue or Geno issue but either a Waldron issue or PC issue.

Now as to Geno mixed bag. good complt%, 1 td decent Passer rating. On the other end 6 batted balls, and the fumble. that's 2 TOs in 1.3 games. 6,5 ypa not great, 5 sacks. So in one full game, Geno has almost 40% of the sacks in 1 game that Wilson had in 5 games. Once again showing it's either the oline or playcalling or design. Again lost TOP (mostly due to long drives by the opponent), again bad on 3rd down(mostly due to 3rd and longs), We did not give up over 400 yards on defense only 345, but again Pitt is a bottom 5 offense. Penalties are an issue again 6 but they all hurt.

So in other words same old same old, just luckily against a bottom 5 offense and a defense missing 2 of its starters on defense.

So to me, it was the same old same old, except we can now say it is not a Wilson thing, not a Geno thing. It's either Waldron or PC or both.

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LTH":3b4ocnka said:

Are the Seahawks out of contention in the west? No they are not. There is still a chance they could pull it out...

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Jville":3i4w8us6 said:

LTH":3i4w8us6 said:

Jville":3i4w8us6 said:

LTH":3i4w8us6 said:

The bottom line is they lost the game... This puts them in a deep hole...

There was improvement on D...The secondary was much tighter... they improved on 3rd down conversion and they were better against the run...the D put the team into position to win the game...

It just depends on how you see it... they lost a tough one in over time, on the road, to a good Steelers D.


I thought Geno played well over all...He managed the game very well. He did not play as well as I thought he was going to.

They were very conservative in the first half which makes me think they were trying to get him in the rhythm of the game with out putting to much pressure on him... I think the expectation I had for him was unrealistic for his first start in years. Will he be better? I think he will... But I also think its UNREALISTIC to JUDGE Geno off of ONE start.

a lot of people were looking to see if Geno was going to answer some questions about Russ not taking the check down and being a bit selfish concerning his stats vs the win... I don't think those questions were answered at least in my mind. I'm not downing Russ when I say these things.. I just think EVERY GREAT QB has to go through this type of self examination to jump to the next level (Brady)

I think the question that was answered is that Geno has some work to do to be a great starting caliber QB , as I feel Russ would have found a way to win that game...Its just a reminder to how great of a QB Russ is....to many opportunities lost, But that doesn't necessarily go ALL on Geno...That doesn't mean that Geno won't be better in the future and that doesn't mean that Geno is not going to fulfill his role.

lets give some credit to where credit is due Geno had some nice plays and managed the game well, just not to the level of an elite QB...Lets see where Geno takes it and how he Bounces back this will be the next question about Geno...

I think it is tragic that Russ got hurt because I think the D is turning it around...I believe if Russ was in there they would have won that game. That doesn't mean that he would have it just means that It's my opinion...

So where are they at this point?

They have to dig out of a deep hole down 4 games to the cards 3 to the Rams.

It's not over yet... lets see how the Hawks bounce back. This will be a big factor to see if this team can compete in the west.. We don't know what is going to happen.. the NFL is a crazy league and crazy sh!t happens.. the Cards and Rams had a fast start that doesn't mean that its going to continue. NOTHING is set in stone just perception..

Rather than attacking each other because of differing opinions we should talk about what's happening and what possibilities can happen for them to work out of this. GREATNESS IS DEFINED BY HOW ONE WORKS OUT OF ADVERSITY... This is what the Hawks are up against...This is where Carroll shines being the underdog.. lets see where it goes..


LTH

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While I applaud your effort to bring a useful perspective, I think it will go no where. Your outnumbered by an emotional mob (90%+) that can't be bothered by thoughtful details that interrupt forum moaning and groaning and crying.

Speaking for myself, I enjoyed the Pittsburgh game. I learned a lot. But, this is the wrong forum to actually share game lessons. This forum is simply not conducive to analyzing a football game.

There will be no tolerance for any open and useful discussion about the throwing mechanics and release point of the current quarterback in comparison to his predecessor. Reactionary yelling and screaming is what this forum is about. Quite likely because it requires virtually nothing from it's practitioners.

Sorry :229031_shrug: it's just what happens to the purpose of open forums when it gets over run by reactionary noise. There are citizen journalists emerging as alternatives. But, it's left up to each of us to thoughtfully pick and chose who is worth looking in on.

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There are a lot of smart people on this board most of which choose not to post... does it look bleak? Why yes it does look bleak but that's is the reason that creates greatness... working out of negative situations... Are the Seahawks going to pull out of this? I have no idea what's going to happen but instead of whining and moaning about a loss lets talk about the football that's being played intelligently and explore what's happening more than fire everybody because it's not going the way we want to see it...

Maybe at the end of the season Pete will get fired and they will clean house... but right now that's not what's happening... what's happening is the Seahawks had a slow start they have dug them selves a hole lets see if they can work out of it...lets explore what's happening on the field instead of being so emotionally involved in the loss that half the city needs to take Prozac to get over it... It's not over... really its not... this team continues to grow and get better at some point they will break out lets hope its not to late...


LTH

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Best of Luck ............... but don't beat yourself up trying to talk about a process or football with the emotionally challenged.

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pittpnthrs":11vfvpy1 said:

LTH":11vfvpy1 said:

Are the Seahawks out of contention in the west? No they are not. There is still a chance they could pull it out...

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This is where your losing everybody, hence the delusional comment. Mathematically theres a chance, but realistically theres no chance. Seattle is just not a good football team. From the ownership, to the coaching staff, to the players,,,,,,the team is broken.

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Fade":3a2cnr2o said:

LTH":3a2cnr2o said:

The bottom line is they lost the game... This puts them in a deep hole...

There was improvement on D...The secondary was much tighter... they improved on 3rd down conversion and they were better against the run...the D put the team into position to win the game...

It just depends on how you see it... they lost a tough one in over time, on the road, to a good Steelers D.


I thought Geno played well over all...He managed the game very well. He did not play as well as I thought he was going to.

They were very conservative in the first half which makes me think they were trying to get him in the rhythm of the game with out putting to much pressure on him... I think the expectation I had for him was unrealistic for his first start in years. Will he be better? I think he will... But I also think its UNREALISTIC to JUDGE Geno off of ONE start.

a lot of people were looking to see if Geno was going to answer some questions about Russ not taking the check down and being a bit selfish concerning his stats vs the win... I don't think those questions were answered at least in my mind. I'm not downing Russ when I say these things.. I just think EVERY GREAT QB has to go through this type of self examination to jump to the next level (Brady)

I think the question that was answered is that Geno has some work to do to be a great starting caliber QB , as I feel Russ would have found a way to win that game...Its just a reminder to how great of a QB Russ is....to many opportunities lost, But that doesn't necessarily go ALL on Geno...That doesn't mean that Geno won't be better in the future and that doesn't mean that Geno is not going to fulfill his role.

lets give some credit to where credit is due Geno had some nice plays and managed the game well, just not to the level of an elite QB...Lets see where Geno takes it and how he Bounces back this will be the next question about Geno...

I think it is tragic that Russ got hurt because I think the D is turning it around...I believe if Russ was in there they would have won that game. That doesn't mean that he would have it just means that It's my opinion...

So where are they at this point?

They have to dig out of a deep hole down 4 games to the cards 3 to the Rams.

It's not over yet... lets see how the Hawks bounce back. This will be a big factor to see if this team can compete in the west.. We don't know what is going to happen.. the NFL is a crazy league and crazy sh!t happens.. the Cards and Rams had a fast start that doesn't mean that its going to continue. NOTHING is set in stone just perception..

Rather than attacking each other because of differing opinions we should talk about what's happening and what possibilities can happen for them to work out of this. GREATNESS IS DEFINED BY HOW ONE WORKS OUT OF ADVERSITY... This is what the Hawks are up against...This is where Carroll shines being the underdog.. lets see where it goes..


LTH

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Baffling. The look on my face while reading this post.

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LTH":39fvzocy said:

John63":39fvzocy said:

okay perspective time

this was a bottom 5 offense we faced. So saying the defense played well is hollow.

As to the offense once again we waste da half of football proving this is not a Wilson issue or Geno issue but either a Waldron issue or PC issue.

Now as to Geno mixed bag. good complt%, 1 td decent Passer rating. On the other end 6 batted balls, and the fumble. that's 2 TOs in 1.3 games. 6,5 ypa not great, 5 sacks. So in one full game, Geno has almost 40% of the sacks in 1 game that Wilson had in 5 games. Once again showing it's either the oline or playcalling or design. Again lost TOP (mostly due to long drives by the opponent), again bad on 3rd down(mostly due to 3rd and longs), We did not give up over 400 yards on defense only 345, but again Pitt is a bottom 5 offense. Penalties are an issue again 6 but they all hurt.

So in other words same old same old, just luckily against a bottom 5 offense and a defense missing 2 of its starters on defense.

So to me, it was the same old same old, except we can now say it is not a Wilson thing, not a Geno thing. It's either Waldron or PC or both.

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Ok lets start here ...so I find it interesting that the O came alive when they started running the ball... it opened up the passing attack... Its my understanding that Pete made those adjustments... they scored 20 points against a good D..

Regardless if the O was good or not the corner backs made some nice plays DJ reed and Tre Brown looked good... and jones was even better

So ok you can say that the hawks played against a week O that's fine but you can't say that those plays the corners made were not solid much improved in technique plays... there is good things to build upon... the key games are still ahead we still Play AZ twice and the Rams once...

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