Something you never thought about

Jerhawk":1pn72wz3 said:

I would hope the powers that be would consult Wilson during the coaching search.

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LTH":3cbxrom1 said:

Jerhawk":3cbxrom1 said:

I would hope the powers that be would consult Wilson during the coaching search.

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So basically what you are saying is your going to let Wilson pick the coach?


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LTH":wunnt44o said:

What makes you so sure that Russell Wilson would want to stay in Seattle if the Hawks fired Pete Carroll?


I would just laugh hard if they fired Pete and Russell bailed... you lose a whole organization, GM, franchise QB... from the way everybody talks it feels like you think Russell doesn't like Pete?





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ZagHawk":3s4k6cqa said:

LTH":3s4k6cqa said:

What makes you so sure that Russell Wilson would want to stay in Seattle if the Hawks fired Pete Carroll?


I would just laugh hard if they fired Pete and Russell bailed... you lose a whole organization, GM, franchise QB... from the way everybody talks it feels like you think Russell doesn't like Pete?





LTH

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Russ could still leave, but the fact is outside of you and others like you (which at this point is a minority of the fanbase), people are NOT optimistic that PC with or without RW is going to give this team the best chance at winning another SB. Others like myself preferably with Russ, but even without Russ are ready to see a different Seahawks. One that could turn out way worse than what PC has brought to the table, but perhaps one that will surpass the ceiling that PC has created for the Seahawks.


The NFL is a race with one winner, you can drive the aging Corvette that won once in the past, placed top 3 even a few times after, but since then has been finding itself getting slower and slower and among the mid pack. There are those that swear the Corvette just needs some minor maintenance and time it'll be back in the top 3 and perhaps win the race. Meanwhile the top 5 cars the last 5 years appear to do overhauls every few years. Now The option is continue to do slight maintenance to this aging corvette and just hope it will find itself back in the top 3 OR you can pick up the brand new prototype model car, could be way faster and win, could be an absolute lemon and blow up mid race. Bring me the prototype Tesla racing car.

p.s. I have thought about it, RW could totally leave, but i'd like to see the Seahawks move on from Pete.

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LTH":2tajc3s0 said:

ZagHawk":2tajc3s0 said:

LTH":2tajc3s0 said:

What makes you so sure that Russell Wilson would want to stay in Seattle if the Hawks fired Pete Carroll?


I would just laugh hard if they fired Pete and Russell bailed... you lose a whole organization, GM, franchise QB... from the way everybody talks it feels like you think Russell doesn't like Pete?





LTH

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Russ could still leave, but the fact is outside of you and others like you (which at this point is a minority of the fanbase), people are NOT optimistic that PC with or without RW is going to give this team the best chance at winning another SB. Others like myself preferably with Russ, but even without Russ are ready to see a different Seahawks. One that could turn out way worse than what PC has brought to the table, but perhaps one that will surpass the ceiling that PC has created for the Seahawks.


The NFL is a race with one winner, you can drive the aging Corvette that won once in the past, placed top 3 even a few times after, but since then has been finding itself getting slower and slower and among the mid pack. There are those that swear the Corvette just needs some minor maintenance and time it'll be back in the top 3 and perhaps win the race. Meanwhile the top 5 cars the last 5 years appear to do overhauls every few years. Now The option is continue to do slight maintenance to this aging corvette and just hope it will find itself back in the top 3 OR you can pick up the brand new prototype model car, could be way faster and win, could be an absolute lemon and blow up mid race. Bring me the prototype Tesla racing car.

p.s. I have thought about it, RW could totally leave, but i'd like to see the Seahawks move on from Pete.

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Yeah I can see that you are ready for a different Seahawks... anything to get rid of Pete Carroll. Gut the whole organization, get rid of a franchise QB if necessary... Oh and yeah lets not forget Jody Allan crappy owner...but I guess your just kinda stuck with her?


LTH

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TwistedHusky":2da8tztw said:

I am almost certain that Wilson will want to leave.

Nothing would cement his greatness like being great in TWO cities. It would erase all the playoff failures because he could pin that on being stuck in Pete's system.

BUT

We almost have no other choice.

There is no upside with Pete. There is no future but losing.

Yes, Pete built the blueprint for creating a great team out of nothing, but he stopped following his own blueprint years ago.

The only option is to give Wilson everything he wants and HOPE it is enough. It might not be.

But it might be enough for long enough to unravel the mess that Pete has created, and get us over the hump to get us a good coach and maybe let JS or another GM finally fix things.

Because without a great QB, you are NOT attracting a good coach. And if you lose JS, forget about getting a great GM opportunity with a decimated roster AND no QB.

The only option is to bet on Wilson. Because betting on Pete is betting on an aging washed-up coach that has nothing left of worth to contribute and likely only accomplished as much as he did because of Wilson.

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TwistedHusky":36rpet60 said:

No because the blueprint that Pete pioneered works. You don't need him to run it.

It is counterintuitive. But if you follow it, you have a team full of pro-bowlers within 3-5 years.

Even if Wilson leaves, that is true.

The problem is that Pete no longer follows his blueprint. In fact, he cannot.

Whether it is worth losing Wilson to jettison Pete? That is a hard one. Probably. But the whole point of getting rid of Pete is to see what another coach can do with Wilson. Pete is not a good coach, so just with Wilson - you should see some improvement.

What I can say for sure, is that if you keep Pete AND get rid of Wilson that is the worst possible outcome. We would literally be better with any other coach in the NFL, no hyperbole. Because Pete will not only lose, but mortgage your future on failed bets - delaying your recovery.

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TwistedHusky":xh1j1kjk said:

No because the blueprint that Pete pioneered works. You don't need him to run it.

It is counterintuitive. But if you follow it, you have a team full of pro-bowlers within 3-5 years.

Even if Wilson leaves, that is true.

The problem is that Pete no longer follows his blueprint. In fact, he cannot.

Whether it is worth losing Wilson to jettison Pete? That is a hard one. Probably. But the whole point of getting rid of Pete is to see what another coach can do with Wilson. Pete is not a good coach, so just with Wilson - you should see some improvement.

What I can say for sure, is that if you keep Pete AND get rid of Wilson that is the worst possible outcome. We would literally be better with any other coach in the NFL, no hyperbole. Because Pete will not only lose, but mortgage your future on failed bets - delaying your recovery.

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TwistedHusky":xi5rza4x said:

No because the blueprint that Pete pioneered works. You don't need him to run it.

It is counterintuitive. But if you follow it, you have a team full of pro-bowlers within 3-5 years.

Even if Wilson leaves, that is true.

The problem is that Pete no longer follows his blueprint. In fact, he cannot.

Whether it is worth losing Wilson to jettison Pete? That is a hard one. Probably. But the whole point of getting rid of Pete is to see what another coach can do with Wilson. Pete is not a good coach, so just with Wilson - you should see some improvement.

What I can say for sure, is that if you keep Pete AND get rid of Wilson that is the worst possible outcome. We would literally be better with any other coach in the NFL, no hyperbole. Because Pete will not only lose, but mortgage your future on failed bets - delaying your recovery.

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GemCity":2jee7bqj said:

Few things first. Pete has been successful here. Personally, I like his energy and positive attitude.

But, it’s time.

I would think that management would consult with Russell Wilson first. I don’t think of this as much as “letting him run things”, “picking the coach”, or anything of that nature. But, we all know who has been the most important piece to the Hawks success and his name is not Pete Carroll. This old school mentality of suppressing player input or going off the deep end when RWs agent mentions teams that Russ would be willing to go to is very dated. People act like including RW on decisions is letting a player have “too much power”. Is this like Jordan in the Last Dance? Maybe like Manning? How about Aaron Rodgers? And how do you know it wouldn’t be the right move anyways?

I believe in Russ far more than I do Pete. He’s earned his say…regardless of what anyone here thinks.

The backlash is crazy… he mentions getting sacked too much (yes, some are his fault but look at your game manager savior Geno and what he coughed up against the Saints)…and received a cold response. And we then drafted Eskridge instead of a center. Unfuxkingreal.

Hypothetical post of course. I understand. But after putting the Hawks on notice this last off-season, I know Russ can’t wait to move on from Pete. He’s just too professional to come out and embarrass Pete and/or John like that.

Pete’s gone.

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TwistedHusky":3rqw8lgh said:

No because the blueprint that Pete pioneered works. You don't need him to run it.

It is counterintuitive. But if you follow it, you have a team full of pro-bowlers within 3-5 years.

Even if Wilson leaves, that is true.

The problem is that Pete no longer follows his blueprint. In fact, he cannot.

Whether it is worth losing Wilson to jettison Pete? That is a hard one. Probably. But the whole point of getting rid of Pete is to see what another coach can do with Wilson. Pete is not a good coach, so just with Wilson - you should see some improvement.

What I can say for sure, is that if you keep Pete AND get rid of Wilson that is the worst possible outcome. We would literally be better with any other coach in the NFL, no hyperbole. Because Pete will not only lose, but mortgage your future on failed bets - delaying your recovery.

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LTH":1q1vgq5q said:

GemCity":1q1vgq5q said:

Few things first. Pete has been successful here. Personally, I like his energy and positive attitude.

But, it’s time.

I would think that management would consult with Russell Wilson first. I don’t think of this as much as “letting him run things”, “picking the coach”, or anything of that nature. But, we all know who has been the most important piece to the Hawks success and his name is not Pete Carroll. This old school mentality of suppressing player input or going off the deep end when RWs agent mentions teams that Russ would be willing to go to is very dated. People act like including RW on decisions is letting a player have “too much power”. Is this like Jordan in the Last Dance? Maybe like Manning? How about Aaron Rodgers? And how do you know it wouldn’t be the right move anyways?

I believe in Russ far more than I do Pete. He’s earned his say…regardless of what anyone here thinks.

The backlash is crazy… he mentions getting sacked too much (yes, some are his fault but look at your game manager savior Geno and what he coughed up against the Saints)…and received a cold response. And we then drafted Eskridge instead of a center. Unfuxkingreal.

Hypothetical post of course. I understand. But after putting the Hawks on notice this last off-season, I know Russ can’t wait to move on from Pete. He’s just too professional to come out and embarrass Pete and/or John like that.

Pete’s gone.

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How do you know that Russ can't wait to move on from Pete?


LTH

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GemCity":2p5o3jc0 said:

LTH":2p5o3jc0 said:

GemCity":2p5o3jc0 said:

Few things first. Pete has been successful here. Personally, I like his energy and positive attitude.

But, it’s time.

I would think that management would consult with Russell Wilson first. I don’t think of this as much as “letting him run things”, “picking the coach”, or anything of that nature. But, we all know who has been the most important piece to the Hawks success and his name is not Pete Carroll. This old school mentality of suppressing player input or going off the deep end when RWs agent mentions teams that Russ would be willing to go to is very dated. People act like including RW on decisions is letting a player have “too much power”. Is this like Jordan in the Last Dance? Maybe like Manning? How about Aaron Rodgers? And how do you know it wouldn’t be the right move anyways?

I believe in Russ far more than I do Pete. He’s earned his say…regardless of what anyone here thinks.

The backlash is crazy… he mentions getting sacked too much (yes, some are his fault but look at your game manager savior Geno and what he coughed up against the Saints)…and received a cold response. And we then drafted Eskridge instead of a center. Unfuxkingreal.

Hypothetical post of course. I understand. But after putting the Hawks on notice this last off-season, I know Russ can’t wait to move on from Pete. He’s just too professional to come out and embarrass Pete and/or John like that.

Pete’s gone.

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How do you know that Russ can't wait to move on from Pete?


LTH

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I feel like he’s handcuffed Russ and the offense way too long…and they know it. But, you’re right. It’s just a deep, gut feeling I had. It’s the same feeling I had with LJ over Sweat and picking Penny over Chubb. Old username is Elemas (lost pe..couldn’t retrieve).

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