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  • Dropping like a rock? Probably not, but dropping from the peak that was the last off season? absolutely! Wilson's stock is dropping slowly, couple more sub standard games, the decline will gain momentum. Let's say if it was 4 first ground picks in last off season, he is at 3 first and a second at this point, couple more bad games with a hurting finger? omg, 2 first, and that's it.
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  • TwistedHusky wrote:We are one of the worst teams in the entire NFL.

    And people think that is because of Wilson.



    Atlanta says hold our beer. There's one thing I've learned in 10 years living here (first game at the Clink ATL @ SEA 10/2/11 with some guy named TJack at QB) and that is Seahawks fans are so spoiled by all the success...

    Playoffs in 8 of the 9 years you've had Wilson... all winning seasons... and now the sky is falling? Must be nice to have such $h!t runs like that.

    For the record though Seattle's problems aren't due to Wilson anymore than Atlanta's are due to Matt Ryan.

    Lack of talent across the board... poor drafting... poor coaching... etc... etc... but it ain't the QBs... outside of course their out of this world contracts gimping the rest of the team. NFL teams will never learn it seems. When was the last time a QB with a monster contract won the Super Bowl? Brady doesn't count because he was always taking pay cuts to NOT gimp the rest of the team.

    toffee wrote: 4 first ground picks in last off season, he is at 3 first and a second at this point, couple more bad games with a hurting finger? omg, 2 first, and that's it.


    I've never thought Wilson was worth more than 2 1st's... 3 and 4 is a huge stretch... IMO it's pure insanity to give up that much for a 30+ year old QB.
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  • Dang, most of what you said is more accurate than actual fans of the Hawks.
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  • FalconsFanNW wrote:
    TwistedHusky wrote:We are one of the worst teams in the entire NFL.

    And people think that is because of Wilson.



    Atlanta says hold our beer. There's one thing I've learned in 10 years living here (first game at the Clink ATL @ SEA 10/2/11 with some guy named TJack at QB) and that is Seahawks fans are so spoiled by all the success...

    Playoffs in 8 of the 9 years you've had Wilson... all winning seasons... and now the sky is falling? Must be nice to have such $h!t runs like that.

    For the record though Seattle's problems aren't due to Wilson anymore than Atlanta's are due to Matt Ryan.

    Lack of talent across the board... poor drafting... poor coaching... etc... etc... but it ain't the QBs... outside of course their out of this world contracts gimping the rest of the team. NFL teams will never learn it seems. When was the last time a QB with a monster contract won the Super Bowl? Brady doesn't count because he was always taking pay cuts to NOT gimp the rest of the team.

    toffee wrote: 4 first ground picks in last off season, he is at 3 first and a second at this point, couple more bad games with a hurting finger? omg, 2 first, and that's it.


    I've never thought Wilson was worth more than 2 1st's... 3 and 4 is a huge stretch... IMO it's pure insanity to give up that much for a 30+ year old QB.


    But I am, and most of us here are, a homer. Russ is a God like creature that we love to overvalue.
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  • toffee wrote:But I am, and most of us here are, a homer. Russ is a God like creature that we love to overvalue.


    Well I knew that... but I didn't want to be the one to point it out. :2thumbs:

    For what it's worth though I think the Seahawks have a better chance of making the playoffs than the Falcons and I know the Falcons have 4 wins. The NFC is top heavy... you have the Packers, Bucs, Cardinals, Rams and Cowboys... followed by everybody else. If the Seahawks win the gimme games and then pull off an upset (Cardinals?) they can get 9-8 which will probably be good enough.

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  • FalconsFanNW wrote:
    TwistedHusky wrote:We are one of the worst teams in the entire NFL.

    And people think that is because of Wilson.



    Atlanta says hold our beer. There's one thing I've learned in 10 years living here (first game at the Clink ATL @ SEA 10/2/11 with some guy named TJack at QB) and that is Seahawks fans are so spoiled by all the success...

    Playoffs in 8 of the 9 years you've had Wilson... all winning seasons... and now the sky is falling? Must be nice to have such $h!t runs like that.

    For the record though Seattle's problems aren't due to Wilson anymore than Atlanta's are due to Matt Ryan.

    Lack of talent across the board... poor drafting... poor coaching... etc... etc... but it ain't the QBs... outside of course their out of this world contracts gimping the rest of the team. NFL teams will never learn it seems. When was the last time a QB with a monster contract won the Super Bowl? Brady doesn't count because he was always taking pay cuts to NOT gimp the rest of the team.

    toffee wrote: 4 first ground picks in last off season, he is at 3 first and a second at this point, couple more bad games with a hurting finger? omg, 2 first, and that's it.


    I've never thought Wilson was worth more than 2 1st's... 3 and 4 is a huge stretch... IMO it's pure insanity to give up that much for a 30+ year old QB.

    The market will say he is worth that, but truly he's not quite worth 3/4. Financially to a team that's been horrible for years he's definitely worth 3
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  • Wilson, at this stage, is like Ichiro for the Mariners. He'll put butts in seats and give a false hope of glory, but at the end of the day, it's the Seattle fans that lose. At least #3 won us one.
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  • FalconsFanNW wrote:
    TwistedHusky wrote:We are one of the worst teams in the entire NFL.

    And people think that is because of Wilson.



    Atlanta says hold our beer. There's one thing I've learned in 10 years living here (first game at the Clink ATL @ SEA 10/2/11 with some guy named TJack at QB) and that is Seahawks fans are so spoiled by all the success...

    Playoffs in 8 of the 9 years you've had Wilson... all winning seasons... and now the sky is falling? Must be nice to have such $h!t runs like that.

    For the record though Seattle's problems aren't due to Wilson anymore than Atlanta's are due to Matt Ryan.

    Lack of talent across the board... poor drafting... poor coaching... etc... etc... but it ain't the QBs... outside of course their out of this world contracts gimping the rest of the team. NFL teams will never learn it seems. When was the last time a QB with a monster contract won the Super Bowl? Brady doesn't count because he was always taking pay cuts to NOT gimp the rest of the team.

    toffee wrote: 4 first ground picks in last off season, he is at 3 first and a second at this point, couple more bad games with a hurting finger? omg, 2 first, and that's it.


    I've never thought Wilson was worth more than 2 1st's... 3 and 4 is a huge stretch... IMO it's pure insanity to give up that much for a 30+ year old QB.


    Its not so much as being spoiled as it is realizing the shortcomings. Sure they make the playoffs, but from 2015 on, what have they done with those postseason opportunities? With a franchise QB and the talent they have had, a team should be able to get past the 2nd round once in awhile, but Seattle cant. Your right though that its not the QB's, its the coaching.
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  • As for drafting, it doesnt matter where the picks are coming from, what matters to me is the skipping of obvious needs and players for luxury picks and diamonds in the rough. Pete is a result of his own success. He hit big when he came here and knew the inside scoop of the college players coming out. The problem with that is when that knowledge dried up, Pete still drafted the same way. Trying to always be the smartest guy in the room and being cute instead of drafting sensibly. When you do that there's going to be way more misses than hits and thats what happened. Last year when Russ was crying out for an improved Oline and Pete skipped on Humphrey, that was the icing on the cake for me. Its never going to change with him. I dont even want to get into the FA pickups.
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  • pittpnthrs wrote:As for drafting, it doesnt matter where the picks are coming from, what matters to me is the skipping of obvious needs and players for luxury picks and diamonds in the rough. Pete is a result of his own success. He hit big when he came here and knew the inside scoop of the college players coming out. The problem with that is when that knowledge dried up, Pete still drafted the same way. Trying to always be the smartest guy in the room and being cute instead of drafting sensibly. When you do that there's going to be way more misses than hits and thats what happened. Last year when Russ was crying out for an improved Oline and Pete skipped on Humphrey, that was the icing on the cake for me. Its never going to change with him. I dont even want to get into the FA pickups.

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  • Now Russ is Ichiro at the end? Now I've heard it all.
    He's 32 years old. He has several good years in front of him. Tom Brady is 75 and still playing well.
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  • pittpnthrs wrote:As for drafting, it doesnt matter where the picks are coming from, what matters to me is the skipping of obvious needs and players for luxury picks and diamonds in the rough. Pete is a result of his own success. He hit big when he came here and knew the inside scoop of the college players coming out. The problem with that is when that knowledge dried up, Pete still drafted the same way. Trying to always be the smartest guy in the room and being cute instead of drafting sensibly. When you do that there's going to be way more misses than hits and thats what happened. Last year when Russ was crying out for an improved Oline and Pete skipped on Humphrey, that was the icing on the cake for me. Its never going to change with him. I dont even want to get into the FA pickups.


    It's not just drafting, though it's been horrible the last 6 years. It's also the trades and fancy FA pickups that have been completely worthless.

    PC and JS both have egos that have created this mess. PA and now his sister have not taken back control when things started to turn in 2013. The Harvin trade was such a joke that the rest of the league was laughing at us. We only won because of the early success of the drafts when PC actually knew what he was doing. After that it's been a complete joke.
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  • SoulfishHawk wrote:Now Russ is Ichiro at the end? Now I've heard it all.
    He's 32 years old. He has several good years in front of him. Tom Brady is 75 and still playing well.


    Problem with this comparison is that Tom Brady is cerebral QB. He is anticipatory instead of reactionary. He knows where the ball is going based on his presnap reads. These QBs use their decision-making to outsmart an opponent. Whereas Russell strengths have been his elusiveness, which now has diminishing returns. And he's great at those deep balls... but in inclement weather, against playoff level defenses? Yeah this is where you need a strong run game, OR a mastery of the short passing game.
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  • soxhawk wrote:Wilson, at this stage, is like Ichiro for the Mariners. He'll put butts in seats and give a false hope of glory, but at the end of the day, it's the Seattle fans that lose. At least #3 won us one.



    really you realize up till this last game he played, after missing over a month due to injury he had the best passer rating, td/int ratio, ypc, in the league. 1 bad game after a month plus gone from injury and you decide this. Sure glad youre aren't our GM
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  • hoxrox wrote:
    SoulfishHawk wrote:Now Russ is Ichiro at the end? Now I've heard it all.
    He's 32 years old. He has several good years in front of him. Tom Brady is 75 and still playing well.


    Problem with this comparison is that Tom Brady is cerebral QB. He is anticipatory instead of reactionary. He knows where the ball is going based on his presnap reads. These QBs use their decision-making to outsmart an opponent. Whereas Russell strengths have been his elusiveness, which now has diminishing returns. And he's great at those deep balls... but in inclement weather, against playoff level defenses? Yeah this is where you need a strong run game, OR a mastery of the short passing game.




    That is true and Wilson has shown he can and does have mastery of the short passing ga,e. For example, every game this year 60-70% of his passes have been short and he was completing well over 70%. A few years ago he used the short passing game to get us into the playoffs only to have PC go back to run and throw long.
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  • SoulfishHawk wrote:Now Russ is Ichiro at the end? Now I've heard it all.
    He's 32 years old. He has several good years in front of him. Tom Brady is 75 and still playing well.



    Brady is rare.
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  • And Russ is a future HOF and one of the best of his generation. Period.
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  • You guy's are over thinking this. Russ does NOT want to be here any more, period. When Peter decided to not hand the ball to Marshawn for another Super Bowl win, we have never been the same. PC is way overrated and needs to GTFO!!
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  • SoulfishHawk wrote:And Russ is a future HOF and one of the best of his generation. Period.


    Yup and that's a fact
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  • SoulfishHawk wrote:And Russ is a future HOF and one of the best of his generation. Period.


    No doubt about it, so we ought to get 4 first rounder in trades, oughtn't we? We sure could last off season, until Russ limited the pool to four teams, even then Chicago tried. Think we can get 4 this off season? or now?
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  • I don't think he will be traded. But IF he does? They can get a haul. Just like DK, except for I'd be a lot less surprised if DK got traded.
    His AGENT made that list. I didn't hear him say that, so that's a crock. I predict he ends up in New Orleans if he was to get traded.
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  • toffee wrote:
    SoulfishHawk wrote:And Russ is a future HOF and one of the best of his generation. Period.


    No doubt about it, so we ought to get 4 first rounder in trades, oughtn't we? We sure could last off season, until Russ limited the pool to four teams, even then Chicago tried. Think we can get 4 this off season? or now?


    Who in their right mind would trade 4 firsts for him with the way he has looked this year? Slow, indecisive and looking like he is regressing. Maybe I would give 2 ones but in this league you have stupid owners that force their GMs to give the house for a reputation like his.
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  • They could easily trade him for 2 first rounders, maybe even 3. It's so entertaining that people actually think he's done being a great QB. Wrong. He has many good years left in him.
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  • SoulfishHawk wrote:I don't think he will be traded. But IF he does? They can get a haul. Just like DK, except for I'd be a lot less surprised if DK got traded.
    His AGENT made that list. I didn't hear him say that, so that's a crock. I predict he ends up in New Orleans if he was to get traded.


    So his agent pulled that 4 team list out of his behind, then make the announcement all WITHOUT Russell Wilson's approval? Wow, fire the agent already.
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  • hoxrox wrote:
    SoulfishHawk wrote:Now Russ is Ichiro at the end? Now I've heard it all.
    He's 32 years old. He has several good years in front of him. Tom Brady is 75 and still playing well.


    Problem with this comparison is that Tom Brady is cerebral QB. He is anticipatory instead of reactionary. He knows where the ball is going based on his presnap reads. These QBs use their decision-making to outsmart an opponent. Whereas Russell strengths have been his elusiveness, which now has diminishing returns. And he's great at those deep balls... but in inclement weather, against playoff level defenses? Yeah this is where you need a strong run game, OR a mastery of the short passing game.


    Cerebral verses reactionary. That's an excellent comparison.

    Is it possible that cerebral quarterbacks take on stronger ownership for enhancing better pass protection?
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  • Jville wrote:
    hoxrox wrote:
    SoulfishHawk wrote:Now Russ is Ichiro at the end? Now I've heard it all.
    He's 32 years old. He has several good years in front of him. Tom Brady is 75 and still playing well.


    Problem with this comparison is that Tom Brady is cerebral QB. He is anticipatory instead of reactionary. He knows where the ball is going based on his presnap reads. These QBs use their decision-making to outsmart an opponent. Whereas Russell strengths have been his elusiveness, which now has diminishing returns. And he's great at those deep balls... but in inclement weather, against playoff level defenses? Yeah this is where you need a strong run game, OR a mastery of the short passing game.


    Cerebral verses reactionary. That's an excellent comparison.

    Is it possible that cerebral quarterbacks take on stronger ownership for enhancing better pass protection?

    Yes when it comes to changing the protection or play, but I'd guess most of it would just come from being able to accurately assess the D presnap and get the ball out to where that presnap read dictates quickly.
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  • Jville wrote:
    hoxrox wrote:
    SoulfishHawk wrote:Now Russ is Ichiro at the end? Now I've heard it all.
    He's 32 years old. He has several good years in front of him. Tom Brady is 75 and still playing well.


    Problem with this comparison is that Tom Brady is cerebral QB. He is anticipatory instead of reactionary. He knows where the ball is going based on his presnap reads. These QBs use their decision-making to outsmart an opponent. Whereas Russell strengths have been his elusiveness, which now has diminishing returns. And he's great at those deep balls... but in inclement weather, against playoff level defenses? Yeah this is where you need a strong run game, OR a mastery of the short passing game.


    Cerebral verses reactionary. That's an excellent comparison.

    Is it possible that cerebral quarterbacks take on stronger ownership for enhancing better pass protection?
    Any graceful ownership would have volunteered to sell the team to Russ, as owner, Russ could hire the HC and OL that he deserves.

    Come on Jody, Russ clearly wants to be an owner of NFL Franchise, it's your duty to fulfill Russ's destiny.

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  • soxhawk wrote:Wilson, at this stage, is like Ichiro for the Mariners. He'll put butts in seats and give a false hope of glory, but at the end of the day, it's the Seattle fans that lose. At least #3 won us one.


    I give more credit to the defense. Always have. Just a non-homer opinion. I mean... Trent Dilfer won a ring with the Ravens and their defense.

    Wilson is a great QB and is a perfect fit for the Seahawks... but I'd still take Manning, Rodgers, Brady every day of the week if I needed a score.


    pittpnthrs wrote:Its not so much as being spoiled as it is realizing the shortcomings. Sure they make the playoffs, but from 2015 on, what have they done with those postseason opportunities? With a franchise QB and the talent they have had, a team should be able to get past the 2nd round once in awhile, but Seattle cant. Your right though that its not the QB's, its the coaching.


    It's also no coincidence that 2015 on was the beginning of the end of the historic 2013/2014 defense that carried the team to 2 Super Bowls.

    Don't take this as I'm hating on Russ because I'm not... I've watched pretty much every game since 2012... I'm just saying that the defense was what made those teams great... and without it... well... haven't gotten past the 2nd round.


    SoulfishHawk wrote:And Russ is a future HOF and one of the best of his generation. Period.


    I'd agree. He is one of the best. I think he's a HOFer... but might need to put up a few more years of solid numbers to guarantee a trip to Canton.
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  • SoulfishHawk wrote:They could easily trade him for 2 first rounders, maybe even 3. It's so entertaining that people actually think he's done being a great QB. Wrong. He has many good years left in him.



    Yup
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  • SoulfishHawk wrote:Now Russ is Ichiro at the end? Now I've heard it all.
    He's 32 years old. He has several good years in front of him. Tom Brady is 75 and still playing well.

    Do not compare Wilson to the GOAT Tom Brady.

    Wilson is not in Tom Brady’s League.

    The league is figuring out Wilson isn’t a pocket passer and does not want to throw the quick short pass game.

    Brady shreds you any and all ways he can.

    Wilson primarily wants the home run ball and is willing to throw that into double and triple coverage just to make miracle plays that are just bone headed decisions.

    At least a competent QB understands like Brady will take what the defense gives him and play the better odds for completing a pass.

    There’s a reason why Brady is still winning Super Bowls cause he mentally is capable of making the best throws at the proper times.

    Wilson for some reason is totally against making an easy completion and wants to the the hero with long balls that are covered by defenses now.
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  • TheLegendOfBoom wrote:
    SoulfishHawk wrote:Now Russ is Ichiro at the end? Now I've heard it all.
    He's 32 years old. He has several good years in front of him. Tom Brady is 75 and still playing well.

    Do not compare Wilson to the GOAT Tom Brady.

    Wilson is not in Tom Brady’s League.

    The league is figuring out Wilson isn’t a pocket passer and does not want to throw the quick short pass game.

    Brady shreds you any and all ways he can.

    Wilson primarily wants the home run ball and is willing to throw that into double and triple coverage just to make miracle plays that are just bone headed decisions.

    At least a competent QB understands like Brady will take what the defense gives him and play the better odds for completing a pass.

    There’s a reason why Brady is still winning Super Bowls cause he mentally is capable of making the best throws at the proper times.

    Wilson for some reason is totally against making an easy completion and wants to the the hero with long balls that are covered by defenses now.


    Wrong narrative dude, your accusation of "Wilson for some reason is totally against making an easy completion and wants to the the hero with long balls that are covered by defenses now" were Pete's doing, ole Pete wouldn't let him do the easy stuff. Literally held Russ's throwing arm at time. Poor Russ has been so wronged and shackled.

    Correct narrative? Free Russ, let him cook.

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  • Lol, this thread is laughable. RW is a top QB in this league. Put him behind a real offensive line and and a competent head coach, I'd put him top 2... some people's kids man.....
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  • TheLegendOfBoom wrote:
    SoulfishHawk wrote:Now Russ is Ichiro at the end? Now I've heard it all.
    He's 32 years old. He has several good years in front of him. Tom Brady is 75 and still playing well.

    Do not compare Wilson to the GOAT Tom Brady.

    Wilson is not in Tom Brady’s League.

    The league is figuring out Wilson isn’t a pocket passer and does not want to throw the quick short pass game.

    Brady shreds you any and all ways he can.

    Wilson primarily wants the home run ball and is willing to throw that into double and triple coverage just to make miracle plays that are just bone headed decisions.

    At least a competent QB understands like Brady will take what the defense gives him and play the better odds for completing a pass.

    There’s a reason why Brady is still winning Super Bowls cause he mentally is capable of making the best throws at the proper times.

    Wilson for some reason is totally against making an easy completion and wants to the the hero with long balls that are covered by defenses now.


    One first needs a consistent pocket to be a pocket passer. :2thumbs: put Brady behind our line and see how your hero stacks up.
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  • hawker84 wrote:
    TheLegendOfBoom wrote:
    SoulfishHawk wrote:Now Russ is Ichiro at the end? Now I've heard it all.
    He's 32 years old. He has several good years in front of him. Tom Brady is 75 and still playing well.

    Do not compare Wilson to the GOAT Tom Brady.

    Wilson is not in Tom Brady’s League.

    The league is figuring out Wilson isn’t a pocket passer and does not want to throw the quick short pass game.

    Brady shreds you any and all ways he can.

    Wilson primarily wants the home run ball and is willing to throw that into double and triple coverage just to make miracle plays that are just bone headed decisions.

    At least a competent QB understands like Brady will take what the defense gives him and play the better odds for completing a pass.

    There’s a reason why Brady is still winning Super Bowls cause he mentally is capable of making the best throws at the proper times.

    Wilson for some reason is totally against making an easy completion and wants to the the hero with long balls that are covered by defenses now.


    One first needs a consistent pocket to be a pocket passer. :2thumbs: put Brady behind our line and see how your hero
    stacks up.


    Put Brady behind this line and it instantly looks like a top-10 unit, because Brady will throw the damned out route when it comes open rather than looking it off and pirouetting into the loving arms of a defensive end.
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  • hawker84 wrote:
    TheLegendOfBoom wrote:
    SoulfishHawk wrote:Now Russ is Ichiro at the end? Now I've heard it all.
    He's 32 years old. He has several good years in front of him. Tom Brady is 75 and still playing well.

    Do not compare Wilson to the GOAT Tom Brady.

    Wilson is not in Tom Brady’s League.

    The league is figuring out Wilson isn’t a pocket passer and does not want to throw the quick short pass game.

    Brady shreds you any and all ways he can.

    Wilson primarily wants the home run ball and is willing to throw that into double and triple coverage just to make miracle plays that are just bone headed decisions.

    At least a competent QB understands like Brady will take what the defense gives him and play the better odds for completing a pass.

    There’s a reason why Brady is still winning Super Bowls cause he mentally is capable of making the best throws at the proper times.

    Wilson for some reason is totally against making an easy completion and wants to the the hero with long balls that are covered by defenses now.


    One first needs a consistent pocket to be a pocket passer. :2thumbs: put Brady behind our line and see how your hero stacks up.



    Not to mention he has one of the best passer ratings from the pocket in the NFL Also not to mention 60-70% of passes have been short just so much lying going on in this forum
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  • John63 wrote:
    hawker84 wrote:
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    SoulfishHawk wrote:Now Russ is Ichiro at the end? Now I've heard it all.
    He's 32 years old. He has several good years in front of him. Tom Brady is 75 and still playing well.

    Do not compare Wilson to the GOAT Tom Brady.

    Wilson is not in Tom Brady’s League.

    The league is figuring out Wilson isn’t a pocket passer and does not want to throw the quick short pass game.

    Brady shreds you any and all ways he can.

    Wilson primarily wants the home run ball and is willing to throw that into double and triple coverage just to make miracle plays that are just bone headed decisions.

    At least a competent QB understands like Brady will take what the defense gives him and play the better odds for completing a pass.

    There’s a reason why Brady is still winning Super Bowls cause he mentally is capable of making the best throws at the proper times.

    Wilson for some reason is totally against making an easy completion and wants to the the hero with long balls that are covered by defenses now.


    One first needs a consistent pocket to be a pocket passer. :2thumbs: put Brady behind our line and see how your hero stacks up.



    Not to mention he has one of the best passer ratings from the pocket in the NFL Also not to mention 60-70% of passes have been short just so much lying going on in this forum


    His passes to the sideline out of bounds is NOT WHAT WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT EVER, it's the Seam routes to the TE, it's the crossing patterns intermediate levels, it's the slants, it's the curls in the middle of the field between the numbers he will not throw unless we are in a 2 minute drill or in last throws of trying to pull out a win from behind in the dying minutes of a game.
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  • hawker84 wrote:
    TheLegendOfBoom wrote:
    SoulfishHawk wrote:Now Russ is Ichiro at the end? Now I've heard it all.
    He's 32 years old. He has several good years in front of him. Tom Brady is 75 and still playing well.

    Do not compare Wilson to the GOAT Tom Brady.

    Wilson is not in Tom Brady’s League.

    The league is figuring out Wilson isn’t a pocket passer and does not want to throw the quick short pass game.

    Brady shreds you any and all ways he can.

    Wilson primarily wants the home run ball and is willing to throw that into double and triple coverage just to make miracle plays that are just bone headed decisions.

    At least a competent QB understands like Brady will take what the defense gives him and play the better odds for completing a pass.

    There’s a reason why Brady is still winning Super Bowls cause he mentally is capable of making the best throws at the proper times.

    Wilson for some reason is totally against making an easy completion and wants to the the hero with long balls that are covered by defenses now.


    One first needs a consistent pocket to be a pocket passer. :2thumbs: put Brady behind our line and see how your hero stacks up.


    Mr. Duane Brown might beg to differ, few games after he joined the Hawks, he had strong opinions on Russ's plays.
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  • Who would trade more than 2 ones for him?
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  • John63 wrote:
    hawker84 wrote:
    TheLegendOfBoom wrote:
    SoulfishHawk wrote:Now Russ is Ichiro at the end? Now I've heard it all.
    He's 32 years old. He has several good years in front of him. Tom Brady is 75 and still playing well.

    Do not compare Wilson to the GOAT Tom Brady.

    Wilson is not in Tom Brady’s League.

    The league is figuring out Wilson isn’t a pocket passer and does not want to throw the quick short pass game.

    Brady shreds you any and all ways he can.

    Wilson primarily wants the home run ball and is willing to throw that into double and triple coverage just to make miracle plays that are just bone headed decisions.

    At least a competent QB understands like Brady will take what the defense gives him and play the better odds for completing a pass.

    There’s a reason why Brady is still winning Super Bowls cause he mentally is capable of making the best throws at the proper times.

    Wilson for some reason is totally against making an easy completion and wants to the the hero with long balls that are covered by defenses now.


    One first needs a consistent pocket to be a pocket passer. :2thumbs: put Brady behind our line and see how your hero stacks up.



    Not to mention he has one of the best passer ratings from the pocket in the NFL Also not to mention 60-70% of passes have been short just so much lying going on in this forum


    The vast majority of his short passes are of the type the commentator on today's game called out - the throw that you're left with because it's not obvious where else to go with thr ball. Kurt Warner has put together about 45 minutes of critique on Russel for this and other failures to read simple defenses.
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  • Fade wrote:
    Maelstrom787 wrote:
    Fade wrote:
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    All picks coming at 27 or later. Best era this franchise has ever had started with two cornerstone players being drafted in the top half of the draft, which statistically has a hugely higher hit rate than the ass end of the first.


    So no good players are available after the 27th pick, huh? Interesting…


    I'd expect no less of a strawman from you these days, bud. Glad you've still got it.


    The Strawman was you ignoring the rest of the post.

    This -->
    Fade wrote:There are stud players to be taken every year in that range. Could've had Creed Humphrey in the 2nd this year as an example.

    Trade Russ, he will go to a contender, these are the kinds of picks you're going to get in return.


    That's not what strawman means, Fade. At all.

    Also, what you said was factually a strawman, as I have never once claimed that star players are not available at all after pick 27.
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  • Trade value is dropping? When he isn’t injured he still plays really good. Teams know that
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  • CPHawk wrote:Trade value is dropping? When he isn’t injured he still plays really good. Teams know that



    Exactly but some don't get that.
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  • We missed our opportunity to get a ransom for him last off-season. Now we need to hope there's at least one sucker left.
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  • Tical21 wrote:We missed our opportunity to get a ransom for him last off-season. Now we need to hope there's at least one sucker left.


    Sit him for couple three games will help his trade value. All he has to do after sitting is have couple of OK showing, then suckers will line up. IF we keep playing him and he kept sucking, then we enter the trade value? what trade value.
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  • John63 wrote:
    CPHawk wrote:Trade value is dropping? When he isn’t injured he still plays really good. Teams know that



    Exactly but some don't get that.


    His legs aren’t injured and still can’t escape a sloth chasing him. His eyes aren’t injured but can’t see wide open receivers.

    You don’t get that it’s not his finger that’s the issue. All the Hawks need is one GM out there that thinks like you and they’ll get a lot for him but not sure that’s the case anymore if he keeps this terrible play up.
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  • SoulfishHawk wrote:Value dropping like a rock? Um, no.
    Have you seen the QB's in the NFL. There are MANY teams who would love to have Russ as their QB. And someone would give up a haul. First ever injury, and people act like he's done.

    He is done. His problem is mental and not using half the field. Watch him. He is not anywhere near elite anymore. Rebuild the lines and take our chances. I don’t want this version of him anymore. Old slow and unwilling to take what’s there. Give me 2012-2015 Russ any day. Not this bloated substitute.
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  • Value went up a little after yesterday's performance. Yes each game the rest of the year is very important to Russ's trade value (if he will be traded) as I believe GM's are focusing on his current skill-set and not that of his first 9 years in the league.
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