This is the problem!!

John63":3glx3v39 said:

"“Honestly, all of these teams are not playing what they play on film," Lockett remarked. "They are literally not, so it’s hard to be able to get ready. Every time you get ready to go against a team, they might play man-to-man their whole entire 7-8 games, and then they play us, and they don’t play man once.""

"As emphasized by Carroll, Lockett, and several players on Sunday, the Seahawks have been happy with what they've accomplished on the practice field leading up to games in recent weeks. But that hasn't translated to game action and Lockett's comments suggest part of that may be due to game planning complications with other teams changing things up when they play them."


This spells a lack of adjustments and that is coaching

https://www.si.com/nfl/seahawks/new...g-assessment-of-seahawks-third-down-struggles

OF course, there is more. But the point is its a huge issue and only coaching can solve it problem is, it has existed for some time and is only now costing them big.

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John63":3p00biuf said:

"“Honestly, all of these teams are not playing what they play on film," Lockett remarked. "They are literally not, so it’s hard to be able to get ready. Every time you get ready to go against a team, they might play man-to-man their whole entire 7-8 games, and then they play us, and they don’t play man once.""

"As emphasized by Carroll, Lockett, and several players on Sunday, the Seahawks have been happy with what they've accomplished on the practice field leading up to games in recent weeks. But that hasn't translated to game action and Lockett's comments suggest part of that may be due to game planning complications with other teams changing things up when they play them."


This spells a lack of adjustments and that is coaching

https://www.si.com/nfl/seahawks/new...g-assessment-of-seahawks-third-down-struggles

OF course, there is more. But the point is its a huge issue and only coaching can solve it problem is, it has existed for some time and is only now costing them big.

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LTH":3tr3w7ei said:

If there is a legit criticism I'm all on it... I just don't see this as being all on Carroll.. yes he is ultimately responsible for what happens and yeah at the end of the season I will judge him on what happened during this season and if it turns out that this team quit on him I will be on board with him being fired I just don't see where people are getting thier info from guys like Colin Cowered or what ever his name is... where is he getting his info from?


LTH

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John63":1ub9s3hg said:

"“Honestly, all of these teams are not playing what they play on film," Lockett remarked. "They are literally not, so it’s hard to be able to get ready. Every time you get ready to go against a team, they might play man-to-man their whole entire 7-8 games, and then they play us, and they don’t play man once.""

"As emphasized by Carroll, Lockett, and several players on Sunday, the Seahawks have been happy with what they've accomplished on the practice field leading up to games in recent weeks. But that hasn't translated to game action and Lockett's comments suggest part of that may be due to game planning complications with other teams changing things up when they play them."


This spells a lack of adjustments and that is coaching

https://www.si.com/nfl/seahawks/new...g-assessment-of-seahawks-third-down-struggles

OF course, there is more. But the point is its a huge issue and only coaching can solve it problem is, it has existed for some time and is only now costing them big.

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Maelstrom787":1dxlo28l said:

John63":1dxlo28l said:

"“Honestly, all of these teams are not playing what they play on film," Lockett remarked. "They are literally not, so it’s hard to be able to get ready. Every time you get ready to go against a team, they might play man-to-man their whole entire 7-8 games, and then they play us, and they don’t play man once.""

"As emphasized by Carroll, Lockett, and several players on Sunday, the Seahawks have been happy with what they've accomplished on the practice field leading up to games in recent weeks. But that hasn't translated to game action and Lockett's comments suggest part of that may be due to game planning complications with other teams changing things up when they play them."


This spells a lack of adjustments and that is coaching

https://www.si.com/nfl/seahawks/new...g-assessment-of-seahawks-third-down-struggles

OF course, there is more. But the point is its a huge issue and only coaching can solve it problem is, it has existed for some time and is only now costing them big.

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You're outright disagreeing with Russell Wilson by agreeing with Tyler Lockett here.

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keasley45":3v261r18 said:

It's impossible to diagnose a car thats running badly without first starting with the most simple, fundamental of things.

Fuel
Air
Spark.

If you don't confirm that's working correctly, you'll be chasing your tail forever and throwing good money after bad. A failure in those three areas can manifest in a dozen other different ways and cause more issues if not corrected.

Football is similar in that sense, except on offense those three elements are embodied in qb play to degree. There was a quote tonight on MNF by one of the broadcasters that, 'average qb play gets people fired'.. The qb play on this team is average at best, save for the impossible throws down field. And when that play is off, the decision making is bad, the line can look horrid, receivers can look bad because 'they aren't open', the running game can look stale because it's never given a chance to get in rhythm, etc, etc etc. Sometimes those things are causes for the offense to look bad, other times they are symptoms of bad qb play. At times we've experienced both. But there is no doubt that for better than a year now, the sub-par qb play is Gumming everything up.

As to Lockett saying what he did. That's exactly the same thing many here have been saying. What offense did we run against the Titans? Same one we ran the following week, and the week after and the week after and the week after. He's not letting Russ off the hook. Russ is scripting the gamelan with Waldron and even Waldron has been critical of the QB play.

And adjusting to man looks from zone looks don't require redoing the game plan. It's a simple change of play. TAKING WHATS THERE. Russ is playing it the same way every week and defending it.

Kurt Warner called out the same thing... distinguishing between how Russ should know how to attack zone vs man and he plays it the same way.

So what's the hypothesis here, that Waldron, who was never associated with the Russball, heave and a prayer offense thats Russ defends nonstop actually goes into weekly game planning thinking that THATS going to be the thing that wins the day?

I think the signs of Waldron in the playcalling are plays to Everett... some of the only on schedule plays that worked. Everett came here with him. He knows him and is getting him the ball in the few instances Russ isn't just dictating what he wants to run.

No news here but more of what's obvious. Russ is doing Russ.

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John63":2tih4ydv said:

Like I said huge problem coaching issue.

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Tical21":r4mo0lp6 said:

Except Russ and Pete came out and said the Cards did what was expected and they didn't know what Tyler was referring to.

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That is the biggest thing with us being able to convert 3rd downs and being able to move the ball forward. It's just being able to see what they are playing and what we need to do to be able to beat it. If we can learn that as players faster in the first or second quarter, then the whole entire game will be different.

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hoxrox":2sq6x3wx said:

Tical21":2sq6x3wx said:

Except Russ and Pete came out and said the Cards did what was expected and they didn't know what Tyler was referring to.

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Tyler was referring to the players, not the coaches. Here's a direct quote from his presser.

That is the biggest thing with us being able to convert 3rd downs and being able to move the ball forward. It's just being able to see what they are playing and what we need to do to be able to beat it. If we can learn that as players faster in the first or second quarter, then the whole entire game will be different.

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https://www.seahawks.com/news/what-the- ... -cardinals

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When asked about Lockett's remarks during his Monday press conference, Carroll didn't concur, initially responding, "You're assuming that he's right."

After pausing for a second, Carroll took a step back to avoid calling out his own player, saying opponents do tend to play the Seahawks using a different defensive strategy than they would against other teams based on Wilson's mobility and their personnel. But as far as being prepared is concerned, he didn't agree with Lockett's premise that the Cardinals threw wrinkles at them they weren't ready for.

"That's nothing new for us at all. We didn't have any problem knowing what they were doing," Carroll added.

Interestingly, when asked for his opinion on the Seahawks' third down issues, Wilson also seemed to disagree with Lockett's take and shot it down. While the Cardinals may have presented a few different coverages from what they game planned for, he didn't see anything from them that surprised him, telling reporters they played Cover 2, Cover 3, Cover 4, Cover 6, and a "good amount" of match-man coverage.

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toffee":3qjdr1kr said:

keasley45":3qjdr1kr said:

It's impossible to diagnose a car thats running badly without first starting with the most simple, fundamental of things.

Fuel
Air
Spark.

If you don't confirm that's working correctly, you'll be chasing your tail forever and throwing good money after bad. A failure in those three areas can manifest in a dozen other different ways and cause more issues if not corrected.

Football is similar in that sense, except on offense those three elements are embodied in qb play to degree. There was a quote tonight on MNF by one of the broadcasters that, 'average qb play gets people fired'.. The qb play on this team is average at best, save for the impossible throws down field. And when that play is off, the decision making is bad, the line can look horrid, receivers can look bad because 'they aren't open', the running game can look stale because it's never given a chance to get in rhythm, etc, etc etc. Sometimes those things are causes for the offense to look bad, other times they are symptoms of bad qb play. At times we've experienced both. But there is no doubt that for better than a year now, the sub-par qb play is Gumming everything up.

As to Lockett saying what he did. That's exactly the same thing many here have been saying. What offense did we run against the Titans? Same one we ran the following week, and the week after and the week after and the week after. He's not letting Russ off the hook. Russ is scripting the gamelan with Waldron and even Waldron has been critical of the QB play.

And adjusting to man looks from zone looks don't require redoing the game plan. It's a simple change of play. TAKING WHATS THERE. Russ is playing it the same way every week and defending it.

Kurt Warner called out the same thing... distinguishing between how Russ should know how to attack zone vs man and he plays it the same way.

So what's the hypothesis here, that Waldron, who was never associated with the Russball, heave and a prayer offense thats Russ defends nonstop actually goes into weekly game planning thinking that THATS going to be the thing that wins the day?

I think the signs of Waldron in the playcalling are plays to Everett... some of the only on schedule plays that worked. Everett came here with him. He knows him and is getting him the ball in the few instances Russ isn't just dictating what he wants to run.

No news here but more of what's obvious. Russ is doing Russ.

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I have been on this train for a long time, that Pete has been weak and let Russ had his ways with offense. That, however, was and is my speculation. You and I were not in the locker room, on the sideline, or in the huddle, we can speculate all we want, it still just speculation. I did find it unusual that two of Russ's most productive WRs, Angry and Lockett turned on him.

Oh John63 has direct access on all conversations on the sideline, may be he can help.

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OrangeGravy":3vzixp0e said:

toffee":3vzixp0e said:

keasley45":3vzixp0e said:

It's impossible to diagnose a car thats running badly without first starting with the most simple, fundamental of things.

Fuel
Air
Spark.

If you don't confirm that's working correctly, you'll be chasing your tail forever and throwing good money after bad. A failure in those three areas can manifest in a dozen other different ways and cause more issues if not corrected.

Football is similar in that sense, except on offense those three elements are embodied in qb play to degree. There was a quote tonight on MNF by one of the broadcasters that, 'average qb play gets people fired'.. The qb play on this team is average at best, save for the impossible throws down field. And when that play is off, the decision making is bad, the line can look horrid, receivers can look bad because 'they aren't open', the running game can look stale because it's never given a chance to get in rhythm, etc, etc etc. Sometimes those things are causes for the offense to look bad, other times they are symptoms of bad qb play. At times we've experienced both. But there is no doubt that for better than a year now, the sub-par qb play is Gumming everything up.

As to Lockett saying what he did. That's exactly the same thing many here have been saying. What offense did we run against the Titans? Same one we ran the following week, and the week after and the week after and the week after. He's not letting Russ off the hook. Russ is scripting the gamelan with Waldron and even Waldron has been critical of the QB play.

And adjusting to man looks from zone looks don't require redoing the game plan. It's a simple change of play. TAKING WHATS THERE. Russ is playing it the same way every week and defending it.

Kurt Warner called out the same thing... distinguishing between how Russ should know how to attack zone vs man and he plays it the same way.

So what's the hypothesis here, that Waldron, who was never associated with the Russball, heave and a prayer offense thats Russ defends nonstop actually goes into weekly game planning thinking that THATS going to be the thing that wins the day?

I think the signs of Waldron in the playcalling are plays to Everett... some of the only on schedule plays that worked. Everett came here with him. He knows him and is getting him the ball in the few instances Russ isn't just dictating what he wants to run.

No news here but more of what's obvious. Russ is doing Russ.

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I have been on this train for a long time, that Pete has been weak and let Russ had his ways with offense. That, however, was and is my speculation. You and I were not in the locker room, on the sideline, or in the huddle, we can speculate all we want, it still just speculation. I did find it unusual that two of Russ's most productive WRs, Angry and Lockett turned on him.

Oh John63 has direct access on all conversations on the sideline, may be he can help.

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Doug was that slot guy open underneath over the middle that Russell doesn't see when drives stall out. He never said it plainly in public, but he got in Russell's ass about it on the sidelines and I'm sure in the film room. That scenario turned Doug into ADB. That is what we're missing on this offense. They're missing that person who will hold Russell accountable on the field during the game. Tyler is too nice. DK still too green, but he has the personality to eventually do it if they played together long enough.

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hoxrox":3pqyhfrc said:

Tical21":3pqyhfrc said:

Except Russ and Pete came out and said the Cards did what was expected and they didn't know what Tyler was referring to.

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Tyler was referring to the players, not the coaches. Here's a direct quote from his presser.

That is the biggest thing with us being able to convert 3rd downs and being able to move the ball forward. It's just being able to see what they are playing and what we need to do to be able to beat it. If we can learn that as players faster in the first or second quarter, then the whole entire game will be different.

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https://www.seahawks.com/news/what-the- ... -cardinals

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