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Shane Waldron Or Brian Schottenheimer

Poll ended at Thu Nov 25, 2021 8:15 pm

1) Brian Schottenheimer
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61%
2) Shane Waldron
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39%
 
Total votes : 23

You Miss Brian Schottenheimer Yet ?
Tue Nov 23, 2021 8:15 pm
  • Penny for you're thoughts?

    In my honest opinion Seattle should have kept Brian Schottenheimer. Instead of some we let him go due to some "philosophical difference" B.S.

    Russ & Schotty worked well together & even had their Jesus Piece chains going on. Not a big fan of Shane Waldron. Yay he worked with Sean Mcvay , but that doesn't mean squat. Take a look at Belichicks coaching tree ...that
    hasn't fared so we'll either.

    Haven't seen anything special from Waldron, have you?
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Re: You Miss Brian Schottenheimer Yet ?
Tue Nov 23, 2021 8:21 pm
  • Can't really vote either way, because except for Game 1 I don't think we've really seen much of Waldron's ideas of offense.

    :229031_shrug:
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Re: You Miss Brian Schottenheimer Yet ?
Tue Nov 23, 2021 8:55 pm
  • Waldron seems like he's being limited by Pete's influence. For the strangest of reasons I cannot quantify it seems like we only got to see Waldron's influence in the first game against the Colts. Ever since he has been MIA. Why?

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Re: You Miss Brian Schottenheimer Yet ?
Tue Nov 23, 2021 9:02 pm
  • Game 1



    After game 1

    'Pete on Waldron: He's open minded enough to do things that we've done in the past'

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Re: You Miss Brian Schottenheimer Yet ?
Tue Nov 23, 2021 11:58 pm
  • Smellyman wrote:Game 1



    After game 1

    'Pete on Waldron: He's open minded enough to do things that we've done in the past'



    So much this. Waldron barely got a chance. Pete shut it down because, well who knows why Pete does most the $h!t he does.
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Re: You Miss Brian Schottenheimer Yet ?
Wed Nov 24, 2021 7:06 am
  • Question Fellas, do y'all see the common dominator? schottenheimer, Waldron. The only constant was Pete, IMO I think he's lost his touch for a few years now. The Wilson /Carrol marriage may be over.
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Re: You Miss Brian Schottenheimer Yet ?
Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:12 am
  • Doesnt matter who the OC is, it will always be the same as long as Carroll is the coach.
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Re: You Miss Brian Schottenheimer Yet ?
Wed Nov 24, 2021 9:04 am
  • Offense philosophical difference. Can anyone decipher this statement?

    1. Pete wanted to play one way, Schotty wanted another? Russ wanted something entirely different.
    2. Pete wanted to play one way, Schotty and Russ on the same page wanted something different.
    3. Schotty wanted to one way, and Russ wanted to go another? Pete sided with Russ.

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Re: You Miss Brian Schottenheimer Yet ?
Wed Nov 24, 2021 9:06 am
  • I know Russ has missed some open guys lately and is certainly not playing well but you can't tell me Waldron's is being 100% reigned in by Pete since game 1. That was an entirely different looking offensive style to anything we've seen in the Pete Carroll era. Pre-snap motion, misdirection, play action from these identical looking sets, intermediate crossers with varied layers to beat zone, so much pocket movement, etc. The week 1 offense was the Rams to a T and for whatever reason, Pete decided to bring back his offense after beating up on a very good Colts team.

    We've gone from one of the most pre-snap motion teams week 1/2 to the bottom again. That clip above has guys going in motion almost every single play with tons of misdirection layered in. We went back to telegraphing our basic Pete Carroll design for no obvious reason whatsoever and predictably defenses are crushing the offense outside of the occasional chunk play, which is almost always improvised.
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Re: You Miss Brian Schottenheimer Yet ?
Wed Nov 24, 2021 10:41 am
  • They could save a few dollars and let Waldron go for philosophical differences and just let Russell call the plays and nobody would notice if it wasn't announced. In fact they could have done this after Bevells Super Bowl call and not announced it and nobody would know that we didn't have a OC it has been that consistent.
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Re: You Miss Brian Schottenheimer Yet ?
Wed Nov 24, 2021 12:07 pm
  • chris98251 wrote:They could save a few dollars and let Waldron go for philosophical differences and just let Russell call the plays and nobody would notice if it wasn't announced. In fact they could have done this after Bevells Super Bowl call and not announced it and nobody would know that we didn't have a OC it has been that consistent.
    I remember in 2019 pre season or was it 2029m preseason game, Russell took over the play calling for a few series. 12s were cheering on, Schotty had that smile on his face.

    But Chris, under your theory, which I concur, who and why the leak about meeting of Russ, Pete, Schotty etc. Ended with Russ ran out of the room? The leak of that meeting was the prelude to Russ's off season complaints etc.

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Re: You Miss Brian Schottenheimer Yet ?
Wed Nov 24, 2021 12:57 pm
  • I miss running the ball 140+ yds a game and having a top 10 scoring offense. 7 top 10 and 8 top 11 since RW started. At this point we are playing at the Bates, injured Hass and Whitehurst level.
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Re: You Miss Brian Schottenheimer Yet ?
Wed Nov 24, 2021 1:25 pm
  • sutz wrote:Can't really vote either way, because except for Game 1 I don't think we've really seen much of Waldron's ideas of offense.

    :229031_shrug:

    This. It worked, but Pete was uncomfortable using it, so it was scrapped.
    He seems to hate comfortable wins, and craves last possession deciding games.
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Re: You Miss Brian Schottenheimer Yet ?
Wed Nov 24, 2021 1:51 pm
  • Sports Hernia wrote:
    sutz wrote:Can't really vote either way, because except for Game 1 I don't think we've really seen much of Waldron's ideas of offense.

    :229031_shrug:

    This. It worked, but Pete was uncomfortable using it, so it was scrapped.
    He seems to hate comfortable wins, and craves last possession deciding games.


    Well if things continue Waldron has a year under his belt and can probably get hired back with the Rams and get to run an offense again or assist.
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Re: You Miss Brian Schottenheimer Yet ?
Wed Nov 24, 2021 2:21 pm
  • I want to know what changed in the offensive coaching from Game 1 to today. Was it Shane? Pete? RW? Carson injured? All the above?
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Re: You Miss Brian Schottenheimer Yet ?
Wed Nov 24, 2021 2:37 pm
  • ZagHawk wrote:I want to know what changed in the offensive coaching from Game 1 to today. Was it Shane? Pete? RW? Carson injured? All the above?


    You mean from the first half of game one to every other quarter of football this season, right?

    My guess, Pete doesn't like being shown there are better ways than his way to do things.
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Re: You Miss Brian Schottenheimer Yet ?
Wed Nov 24, 2021 3:39 pm
  • chris98251 wrote:
    Sports Hernia wrote:
    sutz wrote:Can't really vote either way, because except for Game 1 I don't think we've really seen much of Waldron's ideas of offense.

    :229031_shrug:

    This. It worked, but Pete was uncomfortable using it, so it was scrapped.
    He seems to hate comfortable wins, and craves last possession deciding games.


    Well if things continue Waldron has a year under his belt and can probably get hired back with the Rams and get to run an offense again or assist.


    Shane could whisper that he was handcuffed by Pete, or blame Russ. Fact remains that he FINALLY has OC under his limited resume. My money on he blames Pete as Pete's days in the league are limited, Russ on the other hand will have more years in the league, and Russ has a media machine.
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Re: You Miss Brian Schottenheimer Yet ?
Wed Nov 24, 2021 4:48 pm
  • SlickRick wrote:Question Fellas, do y'all see the common dominator? schottenheimer, Waldron. The only constant was Pete, IMO I think he's lost his touch for a few years now. The Wilson /Carrol marriage may be over.


    I thought they both called plays for Russ. And Russ is pretty vehemently defending the play choices this year.
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Re: You Miss Brian Schottenheimer Yet ?
Wed Nov 24, 2021 5:06 pm
  • Sports Hernia wrote:
    sutz wrote:Can't really vote either way, because except for Game 1 I don't think we've really seen much of Waldron's ideas of offense.

    :229031_shrug:

    This. It worked, but Pete was uncomfortable using it, so it was scrapped.
    He seems to hate comfortable wins, and craves last possession deciding games.



    This^^ and it echoes what he said in his book
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Re: You Miss Brian Schottenheimer Yet ?
Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:55 pm
  • keasley45 wrote:
    SlickRick wrote:Question Fellas, do y'all see the common dominator? schottenheimer, Waldron. The only constant was Pete, IMO I think he's lost his touch for a few years now. The Wilson /Carrol marriage may be over.


    I thought they both called plays for Russ. And Russ is pretty vehemently defending the play choices this year.


    SlickRick should mention two common denominators: Pete and Russ, not just Pete. Russ defended the play choices, was he defending Waldon or Pete or himself?

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Re: You Miss Brian Schottenheimer Yet ?
Thu Nov 25, 2021 8:07 am
  • Doesn't matter . Carroll is still there and for some reason, other than his hand, Wilson's execution has fallen off a cliff ; and as Wilson goes...so goes the whole offense . IMO
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Re: You Miss Brian Schottenheimer Yet ?
Fri Dec 03, 2021 11:13 am
  • xray wrote:Doesn't matter . Carroll is still there and for some reason, other than his hand, Wilson's execution has fallen off a cliff ; and as Wilson goes...so goes the whole offense . IMO


    Nice take
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