All I Saw Tonight...

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Russell Wilson is clearly not healthy. You cannot tell me all those overthrows are anything other than his finger affecting his trajectory and ability to throw the ball accurately. Sure he can get some decent balls out here and there but anyone who can't see he is not able to throw accurately and effectively due to his finger injury which is NOT FULLY HEALED is a damn fool.

But what ANGERS me to no end is that our head coach, Pete Carroll, is too afraid to do the right thing and sit Russell in favor of a healthy Geno Smith. He is so afraid of the aftermath of doing that, whether it's from Russ, the media, or fans, or hell, even ownership...He cowers and does nothing.

Feels like a lame duck to me.

This is a game we would have won 10 out of 10 times in the past 10 years.

The season is lost. And what an utter shame. With such talent. With better coaching and scheming we are still in the hunt for the division.

The fat lady has sung.
 

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Feels like de ja vu. Pete will ride with his qb to the detriment of his team. They will eventually grow tired of it and turn on him. Seen this movie before.
 

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He probably still feels this shell of Wilson gives them a better chance to win than Geno Smith, which may be true.

Hopefully now at 3-8, they just rest him for the remainder of the season.
 

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"ALWAYS COMPETE ..... unless it pertains to Russell Wilson."


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James in PA":3lqv6509 said:
"ALWAYS COMPETE ..... unless it pertains to Russell Wilson."


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This must be the name of Pete’s new book :lol:
 

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Thanks for the analysis, Aros. Once again, one of Carroll's biggest flaws is excessive loyalty to underperforming assistant coaches, and in this case, extended to Russell. One could also argue Carroll has a flaw of not fixing issues and dysfunction quickly enough. That one is debatable, because Carroll & assistants have fixed many things, so it could be argued the issue is doing too many rash, ill-advised things in the first place that create a need for fixing. For example, the Harvin trade.

Anyway, it feels like Carroll is being excessively loyal to/influenced by his star QB, to the point where it hurts the team. Russell's accuracy is one of his biggest assets, and lately it's not been a strength for him.

The 3rd down struggles are positively baffling. The role of Shane Waldron is baffling. Is it Pete, Russell, or Waldron who is primarily responsible? Does Pete hamstring Waldron? Hard to know, with the limited data we have.
 

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James in PA":2928vi0v said:
"ALWAYS COMPETE ..... unless it pertains to Russell Wilson."


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So you're saying Geno Smith, the "human turnover machine" is better than Wilson right now? Gives us a better chance to win over Wilson right now? That what you're saying?

There's a reason why a former 1st rounder was reduced to beung a career back up... he sucks...
 

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Russ is not healthy and he should be sitting. But any way you slice it the Hawks are 2-6 this season in games he has started. Not good.
 

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hawker84":g3qyxvyf said:
James in PA":g3qyxvyf said:
"ALWAYS COMPETE ..... unless it pertains to Russell Wilson."


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So you're saying Geno Smith, the "human turnover machine" is better than Wilson right now? Gives us a better chance to win over Wilson right now? That what you're saying?

There's a reason why a former 1st rounder was reduced to beung a career back up... he sucks...

Have you been under a rock the past three weeks?

Rick Mirer would give us a better chance of winning than Russell Wilson.

And I’m not talking 1994 Rick. I’m talking 51 year old off the street Rick.
 

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hawker84":23vvkh1n said:
James in PA":23vvkh1n said:
"ALWAYS COMPETE ..... unless it pertains to Russell Wilson."


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So you're saying Geno Smith, the "human turnover machine" is better than Wilson right now? Gives us a better chance to win over Wilson right now? That what you're saying?

There's a reason why a former 1st rounder was reduced to beung a career back up... he sucks...

Totally agree. Russ at 50% is better than Geno at 100%. Russ at least gave us a shot at the end. Geno was more likely to have been strip-sacked on the 3rd play. If everything is calm and perfect (playing the Jaguars, getting into a rhythm), Geno can be okay, but things are rarely perfect, and he chokes under pressure. That's why he's a career backup.
 

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hawker84":33keihk2 said:
James in PA":33keihk2 said:
"ALWAYS COMPETE ..... unless it pertains to Russell Wilson."


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So you're saying Geno Smith, the "human turnover machine" is better than Wilson right now? Gives us a better chance to win over Wilson right now? That what you're saying?

There's a reason why a former 1st rounder was reduced to beung a career back up... he sucks...

Geno really isn't that turnover prone. Not in this offense.

He played a good stretch in relief.
 

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Maelstrom787":1ngelbvu said:
hawker84":1ngelbvu said:
James in PA":1ngelbvu said:
"ALWAYS COMPETE ..... unless it pertains to Russell Wilson."


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So you're saying Geno Smith, the "human turnover machine" is better than Wilson right now? Gives us a better chance to win over Wilson right now? That what you're saying?

There's a reason why a former 1st rounder was reduced to beung a career back up... he sucks...

Geno really isn't that turnover prone. Not in this offense.

He played a good stretch in relief.

Yes he is turnover prone.

No, he did not play at all good.

Whenever things go 100% right and he gets into a rhythm, and he plays a D like the Jags, Geno looks like a good QB.

Whenever things are not 100%, Geno does not look like a good QB.

It is hard to find a quality backup QB these days. Best you can hope for, is if he needs to fill in, in the middle of a game where we're ahead, he can manage the offense in a way that protects the lead. Aside from that, don't expect much.
 

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Why are we trashing Geno? Nobody's suggested he should be a long-term replacement for Russ.

Geno has a sub 1m cap hit and has had fewer reps in a new scheme than the rest of the offense which is also struggling with it. When called on with limited preparation he was respectable with an 8.0 AY/A that was driven down to 5.93 ANY/A by 13 sacks. Some of those sacks were his fault and some weren't, but he's one of like six players on offense who have played up to their cap hit this year.

Our few bargains on offense
Collins (0.8m), Geno (1m), Dissly (1m), Metcalf (1.2m), Everett (4m), Lockett (8m)
 

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Maybe Pete should go with Geno but I don't believe they would have had any better results than what we're seeing now. Not trashing Geno, but that's just what he is. They Seahawks couldn't beat the Saints or the Steelers with him at QB. Both teams are on the downslide. The Lions almost beat the Steelers.

What I saw last night was an Oline (specifically Pocic and Fuller) who looked like they have given up on the season. When there are 3-4 guys in your face right at the snap, it becomes very difficult. Russ is lucky he didn't get sacked more than twice. Geno Smith wouldn't have fared any better under the circumstances. While Russ could have been better, he was not the main reason in the loss. It was that they were decimated by WFT in the trenches - DL/OL. That even after WFT was down to their 3rd string center.
 

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Tusc2000":2veundm3 said:
Maelstrom787":2veundm3 said:
hawker84":2veundm3 said:
James in PA":2veundm3 said:
"ALWAYS COMPETE ..... unless it pertains to Russell Wilson."


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So you're saying Geno Smith, the "human turnover machine" is better than Wilson right now? Gives us a better chance to win over Wilson right now? That what you're saying?

There's a reason why a former 1st rounder was reduced to beung a career back up... he sucks...

Geno really isn't that turnover prone. Not in this offense.

He played a good stretch in relief.

Yes he is turnover prone.

No, he did not play at all good.

Whenever things go 100% right and he gets into a rhythm, and he plays a D like the Jags, Geno looks like a good QB.

Whenever things are not 100%, Geno does not look like a good QB.

It is hard to find a quality backup QB these days. Best you can hope for, is if he needs to fill in, in the middle of a game where we're ahead, he can manage the offense in a way that protects the lead. Aside from that, don't expect much.

According to absolutely nothing recent is Geno turnover prone. He had two of them in 4 games, one of which was caused by Tyler Lockett falling on his face.

Regardless, this isn't me advocating for Geno as a long term answer - but we really don't need to keep making shit up. He played fine relative to how he's expected to play, and he did not show a predisposition for turning the ball over.
 

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hawkfan68":198wiaup said:
Maybe Pete should go with Geno but I don't believe they would have had any better results than what we're seeing now. Not trashing Geno, but that's just what he is. They Seahawks couldn't beat the Saints or the Steelers with him at QB. Both teams are on the downslide. The Lions almost beat the Steelers.

What I saw last night was an Oline (specifically Pocic and Fuller) who looked like they have given up on the season. When there are 3-4 guys in your face right at the snap, it becomes very difficult. Russ is lucky he didn't get sacked more than twice. Geno Smith wouldn't have fared any better under the circumstances. While Russ could have been better, he was not the main reason in the loss. It was that they were decimated by WFT in the trenches - DL/OL. That even after WFT was down to their 3rd string center.


Here we go. The too much pressure excuses…

He didn’t have too much pressure when he missed a read deep middle and instead chucked it to a not open DK.

One of the sacks he didn’t have to take also. Just held the ball forever and then inexplicably took the sack that no other QB in the league would have. This is the time of year you see more interior pressure and elite QBs are supposed to get the ball out to the correct read.

Between Shane and Russ we just flat out sucked and there is no way on earth Geno would have done worse. It’s just not even possible unless he took every snap and threw it in the stands.
 

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Might be a good idea to shut RW down for the year so as not to hurt his trade value more? Spin it as the season was lost, and we want him to heal up.
 

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Ace_Rimmer":17o18wjy said:
Might be a good idea to shut RW down for the year so as not to hurt his trade value more? Spin it as the season was lost, and we want him to heal up.

Yeah, seems like Russell being "figured out" by the rest of the league could already be killing his trade value, magnified by his recent ineffective play. Ever since the Cards overtime loss during the failed "Let Russ cook" campaign, the game where the Cards figured out in 4Q & OT that 2 deep safeties was the way to perplex and confuse Russell, the rest of the league seems to have had his number.
 

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olyfan63":2skqhj9u said:
Ace_Rimmer":2skqhj9u said:
Might be a good idea to shut RW down for the year so as not to hurt his trade value more? Spin it as the season was lost, and we want him to heal up.

Yeah, seems like Russell being "figured out" by the rest of the league could already be killing his trade value, magnified by his recent ineffective play. Ever since the Cards overtime loss during the failed "Let Russ cook" campaign, the game where the Cards figured out in 4Q & OT that 2 deep safeties was the way to perplex and confuse Russell, the rest of the league seems to have had his number.

How does shutting Russell down help his trade value?

You'd be shutting him down at the bottom of his trade value, injured and playing terribly. You have to keep running him out there and hope he improves. That's it, that's your trade value.........because benching Russell now tells the rest of the league he's done.
 

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One of these guys will be gone (PC or Russ). I’d rather it be the former.

3-7…4th and 1…and Pete goes back to the old draw em offsides trick. Playing for PC on O has to be demotivating…

Russ doesn’t look right…at all. I believe he’s tired of being under Pete’s reigns and let’s be honest…there’s little chance that his finger is NOT affecting him.

I’m all for cleaning house. As much as I like RW and think he has years left in the tank, we’d be doing him justice by sending him to a good team while hopefully reaping multiple 1st round picks.
 
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