Defense has been awful since the BYE Week

Here are some facts to ponder:

Vs WFT

Heinecke 27/35 77% completion

WFT 5 of 13 on 3rd downs, 38%

79 plays for WFT 45 for Hawks

TOP WFT 41 minutes Hawks 18 minutes


Vs Cardinals

McCoy 35/44 79% completion

WFT 7 of 14 on 3rd downs, 50%

79 plays for Cardinals 49 for Seahawks

TOP Cardinals 40 minutes Hawks 19 minutes



Vs Packers

Rodgers 23/37 62% completion

Packers 7 of 14 on 3rd downs, 50%

70 plays for Packers 59 plays for Seahawks

TOP Packers 39 minutes Hawks 20 minutes


But but but………… 5th fewest points allowed in the league!!! Doesn’t matter. Those 3 opponents scored enough points to win the game.

Lmfao!

Mizak":1qbne2qf said:

But but but………… 5th fewest points allowed in the league!!! Doesn’t matter. Those 3 opponents scored enough points to win the game.

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Using that logic every loss in the history of football has been the fault of the defense.

Last three games, the defense held teams to 17 + 23 + 17 = 19 points per game.

Top defenses in the league this year:

1 New England 15.8 PPG
2 Buffalo 16.5 PPG
3 Denver 17.8 PPG
4 Arizona 18.4 PPG
5 Green Bay 20.2 PPG
6 Cincinnati 20.5 PPG
6 Seattle 20.5 PPG

Worst defenses:

28 Houston 26.5 PPG
29 LA Chargers 26.6 PPG
30 Las Vegas 26.8 PPG
31 Atlanta 27.5 PPG
32 NY Jets 30.4 PPG

No one is saying they are an elite defense. But holding teams to under 20 PPG should be enough to win a lot of games.

The losing streak is definitely not on the defense, so not sure what your point is.

hoxrox":2dyakeze said:

Last three games, the defense held teams to 17 + 23 + 17 = 19 points per game.

Top defenses in the league this year:

1 New England 15.8 PPG
2 Buffalo 16.5 PPG
3 Denver 17.8 PPG
4 Arizona 18.4 PPG
5 Green Bay 20.2 PPG
6 Cincinnati 20.5 PPG
6 Seattle 20.5 PPG

Worst defenses:

28 Houston 26.5 PPG
29 LA Chargers 26.6 PPG
30 Las Vegas 26.8 PPG
31 Atlanta 27.5 PPG
32 NY Jets 30.4 PPG

No one is saying they are an elite defense. But holding teams to under 20 PPG should be enough to win a lot of games.

The losing streak is definitely not on the defense, so not sure what your point is.

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This^^^^

Why do people think the D is the issue?

LTH

hoxrox":1q31p6oj said:

The losing streak is definitely not on the defense, so not sure what your point is.

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The defense is as much to blame as anything else.

Defense deserves A LOT of the blame. They cannot get off the damn field. See "the chicken or the egg" thread.


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pittpnthrs":13yg7tdi said:

hoxrox":13yg7tdi said:

The losing streak is definitely not on the defense, so not sure what your point is.

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The defense is as much to blame as anything else.

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Not as it pertains to these last three games.

When you have an offense that only scored: ZERO, 13 and 15 points, "as much" doesn't hold a lot of weight.

LTH":3uqy0pgt said:

hoxrox":3uqy0pgt said:

Last three games, the defense held teams to 17 + 23 + 17 = 19 points per game.

Top defenses in the league this year:

1 New England 15.8 PPG
2 Buffalo 16.5 PPG
3 Denver 17.8 PPG
4 Arizona 18.4 PPG
5 Green Bay 20.2 PPG
6 Cincinnati 20.5 PPG
6 Seattle 20.5 PPG

Worst defenses:

28 Houston 26.5 PPG
29 LA Chargers 26.6 PPG
30 Las Vegas 26.8 PPG
31 Atlanta 27.5 PPG
32 NY Jets 30.4 PPG

No one is saying they are an elite defense. But holding teams to under 20 PPG should be enough to win a lot of games.

The losing streak is definitely not on the defense, so not sure what your point is.

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This^^^^

Why do people think the D is the issue?

LTH

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Top 10 defenses doesn’t allow the opposing QB to complete over 75% of his passes. Top 10 defenses don’t give over 40 minutes of TOP to the opponent. D is definitely an issue.

pittpnthrs":31rulnjz said:

hoxrox":31rulnjz said:

The losing streak is definitely not on the defense, so not sure what your point is.

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The defense is as much to blame as anything else.

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Based on what? Based on the fact that you love Wilson so much that you have to find SOMEWHERE TO PLACE THE BLAME?



LTH

LTH":yqeg7z34 said:

pittpnthrs":yqeg7z34 said:

hoxrox":yqeg7z34 said:

The losing streak is definitely not on the defense, so not sure what your point is.

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The defense is as much to blame as anything else.

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Based on what? Based on the fact that you love Wilson so much that you have to find SOMEWHERE TO PLACE THE BLAME?



LTH

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Based on what? Based on the fact that you love Pete so much that you have to find SOMEWHERE TO PLACE THE BLAME?

Right back at ya.

Mizak":2etck6t6 said:

LTH":2etck6t6 said:

pittpnthrs":2etck6t6 said:

hoxrox":2etck6t6 said:

The losing streak is definitely not on the defense, so not sure what your point is.

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The defense is as much to blame as anything else.

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Based on what? Based on the fact that you love Wilson so much that you have to find SOMEWHERE TO PLACE THE BLAME?



LTH

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Based on what? Based on the fact that you love Pete so much that you have to find SOMEWHERE TO PLACE THE BLAME?

Right back at ya.

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OOOH!!!! Give yourself as brownie button. LOL

I Give credit where credit is due... I have criticism of Pete where it is valid and my thoughts on the Hawks don't just land in one spot... but you wouldn't know that because you can't read.


LTH

Our defense needs more pass rushes, and more 3rd down stoppages so they can get off the field, but top ten points allowed is still something other 20+ teams would trade their souls for. Come to think of it, taking away the few games Tre Flowers started, our points allowed could be even better.

Defense ain't perfect, but their have been keeping us in the games.

toffee":r37t6xdq said:

Our defense needs more pass rushes, and more 3rd down stoppages so they can get off the field, but top ten points allowed is still something other 20+ teams would trade their souls for. Come to think of it, taking away the few games Tre Flowers started, our points allowed could be even better.

Defense ain't perfect, but their have been keeping us in the games.

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They're fine on 3rd downs, they just have trouble getting to 3rd down before the 30 yardline or so. Lots of conversions on 1st & 2nd down

Mizak":24rkgo9o said:

Here are some facts to ponder:

Vs WFT

Heinecke 27/35 77% completion

WFT 5 of 13 on 3rd downs, 38%

79 plays for WFT 45 for Hawks

TOP WFT 41 minutes Hawks 18 minutes


Vs Cardinals

McCoy 35/44 79% completion

WFT 7 of 14 on 3rd downs, 50%

79 plays for Cardinals 49 for Seahawks

TOP Cardinals 40 minutes Hawks 19 minutes



Vs Packers

Rodgers 23/37 62% completion

Packers 7 of 14 on 3rd downs, 50%

70 plays for Packers 59 plays for Seahawks

TOP Packers 39 minutes Hawks 20 minutes


But but but………… 5th fewest points allowed in the league!!! Doesn’t matter. Those 3 opponents scored enough points to win the game.

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Are you really going to blame TOP on the Seahawks D? that's just ridiculous!

It's the O that can't keep a drive going and keeps the D on the field way longer than they should be on the field, yes this D Needs to improve getting off the field on 3rd down but this D is NOT the reason why this team is losing and anybody that says different doesn't understand the game...

Nobody is saying this D is elite they are still growing but they are good enough to win games with an average O.

At the beginning of the season, you said this D is, and will remain the worst D in NFL history.

I said this D would continue to improve when they get the young corners and Linebackers to understand the scheme better so they could open up the scheme.

You mocked me by calling me "Love to hallucinate" (LTH). You were wrong then and you're wrong now. but you're entitled to your opinion as LAME as it might be.

LTH

Win as a team, lose as a team. The defense has made a TON of stops on 3rd down to hand the offense yet ANOTHER shot at scoring. Look at that time of possession, seems to be 40 minutes or more every game for the opponent. That's a lot to ask of any defense.
Having little to no running game has killed this team. Every good QB and offense needs an actual running game.
But, the play calling on offense, in addition to Russ playing w/that injury etc. the offense has not come close to doing their part this year. Russ has to play better, period. I just don't know that he SHOULD be playing.
As far as Pete goes, how many times has he said what the team "should" be doing, only to NOT do what he claims they should do? I don't want to hear what you should have done. Just actually DO IT. The offensive play calling RARELY seems to adjust to what the defense is giving them. Let alone using the talent they have. While the defense isn't great, not sure how they are the problem lately. At least when you look at how long they are on the field. When your offense goes 3 and out multiple times, at some point, the defense is going to tire out and get worked.

Drive 1 - 1:35
Drive 2 - 2:39
Drive 3 - 2:39
Drive 4 - 0:48
Drive 5 - 0:40
Drive 6 - 1:34
Drive 7 - 1:36

First 7 drives vs WFT. That's, what... 11 minutes?

We only managed 7 more minutes for the rest of the game.

And we're 6th in the league in scoring defense??? That might be an NFL record. To be on the field that long and still be top 10 even is remarkable.

Exactly. I doubt I was the only one who was shocked that stayed a one score game the entire time. They were out there 40 plus minutes. And this has happened several times. They are playing their hearts out. They are not a great defense, but they certainly don't suck. It's impressive to only be giving up the points they are.

keasley45":1r1e3wdc said:

Drive 1 - 1:35
Drive 2 - 2:39
Drive 3 - 2:39
Drive 4 - 0:48
Drive 5 - 0:40
Drive 6 - 1:34
Drive 7 - 1:36

First 7 drives vs WFT. That's, what... 11 minutes?

We only managed 7 more minutes for the rest of the game.

And we're 6th in the league in scoring defense??? That might be an NFL record. To be on the field that long and still be top 10 even is remarkable.

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Part of the problem with the D getting off the field on 3rd down , and tell me if you think I'm wrong because sometimes its hard to see it on TV but, there is a difference between having KJ on those back side screens and Brooks. KJ sniffs that stuff out and Brooks is still learning as the only way to learn is by playing. Carroll made that choice so in the short term they are going to take a hit, but in the long term it's going to work out. It's the same with Brooks coverage skills it's just a learning process from my perspective.


LTH

Defense deserves 50% of the blame. They are giving up TDs after 8+ min drives leading to the lop sided TOP. They need to learn to get off the firld sooner.