The running game is the key to winning. Period

It was apparent with Lynch, Carson (when healthy), and now Penney (when healthy) that Pete Carroll coached teams win or lose based on the running game. If Pete stays (which I have thought for some time he will) solidifying the run must be the first priority. What happened this year with no running game before a few weeks ago should be the most eye opening part for management in that in order for the team to comPete, they need a good running game. Wilson just can’t do it on his own anymore.

Fix the run game (and D scheme) and win.

seabowl":4plmpa86 said:

It was apparent with Lynch, Carson (when healthy), and now Penney (when healthy) that Pete Carroll coached teams win or lose based on the running game. If Pete stays (which I have thought for some time he will) solidifying the run must be the first priority. What happened this year with no running game before a few weeks ago should be the most eye opening part for management in that in order for the team to comPete, they need a good running game. Wilson just can’t do it on his own anymore.

Fix the run game (and D scheme) and win.

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Its not the Key to winning we have won without it, It just makes it much easier, ask Rodgers, Mahomes, Manning and others. FYI we have won games this year and last without much of a running game.

example
all Playoff teams
Tenn ahh run game, top 10 scoring defense and top 15 yards
KC top 10 scoring defense and top 15 yards in run gave avg over 4 ypc 100 yards per game
Buffalo top 5 scoring defense and top 10 yards, over 100 yards per game
TB top 10 scoring defense and top 15 yards, run game avg over 4 ypc and 98 yards per game
GB 14 scoring defense, top 10 yards per game defense, 4 YPC and 100 per game,

This fallacy that Wilson is the only QB who needs a run game is just plain wrong. They all do, or at least the threat of it.

The run game makes it easier to pass, guess what the passing game makes it easier to run they help each other. Wilson knows this that's why he audibled to run several times. The thing Wilson has always wanted and was the key to the let Russ cook thing was tempo. In the last 2 games we played with tempo alot.

seabowl":1yn2z3y0 said:

It was apparent with Lynch, Carson (when healthy), and now Penney (when healthy) that Pete Carroll coached teams win or lose based on the running game. If Pete stays (which I have thought for some time he will) solidifying the run must be the first priority. What happened this year with no running game before a few weeks ago should be the most eye opening part for management in that in order for the team to comPete, they need a good running game. Wilson just can’t do it on his own anymore.

Fix the run game (and D scheme) and win.

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5, 4, 3, 2, 1, counting down to J63 coming out to defense Russ, he won't let you belittle Russ that way.

John63":1pmavdz8 said:

seabowl":1pmavdz8 said:

It was apparent with Lynch, Carson (when healthy), and now Penney (when healthy) that Pete Carroll coached teams win or lose based on the running game. If Pete stays (which I have thought for some time he will) solidifying the run must be the first priority. What happened this year with no running game before a few weeks ago should be the most eye opening part for management in that in order for the team to comPete, they need a good running game. Wilson just can’t do it on his own anymore.

Fix the run game (and D scheme) and win.

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Its not the Key to winning we have won without it, It just makes it much easier, ask Rodgers, Mahomes, Manning and others. FYI we have won games this year and last without much of a running game.

example
all Playoff teams
Tenn ahh run game, top 10 scoring defense and top 15 yards
KC top 10 scoring defense and 15 yards run gave avg over 4 ypc 100 tards per game
Buffalo top 5 scoring defense and top 10 yards, over 100 yards per game
TB top 10 scoring defense and top 15 yards, run game avg over 4 ypc and 98 yards per game
GB 14 scoring defense, top 10 yards per game defense, 4 YPC and 100 per game,

This fallacy that Wilson is the only QB who needs a run game is just plain wrong. They all do, or at least the threat of it.

The run game makes it easier to pass, guess what the passing game makes it easier to run they help each other. Wilson knows this that's why he audibled to run several times. The thing Wilson has always wanted and was the key to the let Russ cook thing was tempo. In the last 2 games we played with tempo alot.

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Did not reference other teams but rather Pete Carroll teams that need a strong running game.

John63":1fau6w1d said:

seabowl":1fau6w1d said:

It was apparent with Lynch, Carson (when healthy), and now Penney (when healthy) that Pete Carroll coached teams win or lose based on the running game. If Pete stays (which I have thought for some time he will) solidifying the run must be the first priority. What happened this year with no running game before a few weeks ago should be the most eye opening part for management in that in order for the team to comPete, they need a good running game. Wilson just can’t do it on his own anymore.

Fix the run game (and D scheme) and win.

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Its not the Key to winning we have won without it, It just makes it much easier, ask Rodgers, Mahomes, Manning and others. FYI we have won games this year and last without much of a running game.

example
all Playoff teams
Tenn ahh run game, top 10 scoring defense and top 15 yards
KC top 10 scoring defense and 15 yards run gave avg over 4 ypc 100 tards per game
Buffalo top 5 scoring defense and top 10 yards, over 100 yards per game
TB top 10 scoring defense and top 15 yards, run game avg over 4 ypc and 98 yards per game
GB 14 scoring defense, top 10 yards per game defense, 4 YPC and 100 per game,

This fallacy that Wilson is the only QB who needs a run game is just plain wrong. They all do, or at least the threat of it.

The run game makes it easier to pass, guess what the passing game makes it easier to run they help each other. Wilson knows this that's why he audibled to run several times. The thing Wilson has always wanted and was the key to the let Russ cook thing was tempo. In the last 2 games we played with tempo alot.

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Seattle has played with a quick tempo for 2 years running.

seabowl":13b4e8a2 said:

John63":13b4e8a2 said:

seabowl":13b4e8a2 said:

It was apparent with Lynch, Carson (when healthy), and now Penney (when healthy) that Pete Carroll coached teams win or lose based on the running game. If Pete stays (which I have thought for some time he will) solidifying the run must be the first priority. What happened this year with no running game before a few weeks ago should be the most eye opening part for management in that in order for the team to comPete, they need a good running game. Wilson just can’t do it on his own anymore.

Fix the run game (and D scheme) and win.

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Its not the Key to winning we have won without it, It just makes it much easier, ask Rodgers, Mahomes, Manning and others. FYI we have won games this year and last without much of a running game.

example
all Playoff teams
Tenn ahh run game, top 10 scoring defense and top 15 yards
KC top 10 scoring defense and 15 yards run gave avg over 4 ypc 100 tards per game
Buffalo top 5 scoring defense and top 10 yards, over 100 yards per game
TB top 10 scoring defense and top 15 yards, run game avg over 4 ypc and 98 yards per game
GB 14 scoring defense, top 10 yards per game defense, 4 YPC and 100 per game,

This fallacy that Wilson is the only QB who needs a run game is just plain wrong. They all do, or at least the threat of it.

The run game makes it easier to pass, guess what the passing game makes it easier to run they help each other. Wilson knows this that's why he audibled to run several times. The thing Wilson has always wanted and was the key to the let Russ cook thing was tempo. In the last 2 games we played with tempo alot.

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Did not reference other teams but rather Pete Carroll teams that need a strong running game.

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Buy do they. Again we have won without.

Maelstrom787":2058rcmv said:

John63":2058rcmv said:

seabowl":2058rcmv said:

It was apparent with Lynch, Carson (when healthy), and now Penney (when healthy) that Pete Carroll coached teams win or lose based on the running game. If Pete stays (which I have thought for some time he will) solidifying the run must be the first priority. What happened this year with no running game before a few weeks ago should be the most eye opening part for management in that in order for the team to comPete, they need a good running game. Wilson just can’t do it on his own anymore.

Fix the run game (and D scheme) and win.

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Its not the Key to winning we have won without it, It just makes it much easier, ask Rodgers, Mahomes, Manning and others. FYI we have won games this year and last without much of a running game.

example
all Playoff teams
Tenn ahh run game, top 10 scoring defense and top 15 yards
KC top 10 scoring defense and 15 yards run gave avg over 4 ypc 100 tards per game
Buffalo top 5 scoring defense and top 10 yards, over 100 yards per game
TB top 10 scoring defense and top 15 yards, run game avg over 4 ypc and 98 yards per game
GB 14 scoring defense, top 10 yards per game defense, 4 YPC and 100 per game,

This fallacy that Wilson is the only QB who needs a run game is just plain wrong. They all do, or at least the threat of it.

The run game makes it easier to pass, guess what the passing game makes it easier to run they help each other. Wilson knows this that's why he audibled to run several times. The thing Wilson has always wanted and was the key to the let Russ cook thing was tempo. In the last 2 games we played with tempo alot.

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Seattle has played with a quick tempo for 2 years running.

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Now we have not. Not even close qr have had gamesike that but not a whole season. Not even close.

John63":3mju2vyr said:

Maelstrom787":3mju2vyr said:

John63":3mju2vyr said:

seabowl":3mju2vyr said:

It was apparent with Lynch, Carson (when healthy), and now Penney (when healthy) that Pete Carroll coached teams win or lose based on the running game. If Pete stays (which I have thought for some time he will) solidifying the run must be the first priority. What happened this year with no running game before a few weeks ago should be the most eye opening part for management in that in order for the team to comPete, they need a good running game. Wilson just can’t do it on his own anymore.

Fix the run game (and D scheme) and win.

Click to expand...

Its not the Key to winning we have won without it, It just makes it much easier, ask Rodgers, Mahomes, Manning and others. FYI we have won games this year and last without much of a running game.

example
all Playoff teams
Tenn ahh run game, top 10 scoring defense and top 15 yards
KC top 10 scoring defense and 15 yards run gave avg over 4 ypc 100 tards per game
Buffalo top 5 scoring defense and top 10 yards, over 100 yards per game
TB top 10 scoring defense and top 15 yards, run game avg over 4 ypc and 98 yards per game
GB 14 scoring defense, top 10 yards per game defense, 4 YPC and 100 per game,

This fallacy that Wilson is the only QB who needs a run game is just plain wrong. They all do, or at least the threat of it.

The run game makes it easier to pass, guess what the passing game makes it easier to run they help each other. Wilson knows this that's why he audibled to run several times. The thing Wilson has always wanted and was the key to the let Russ cook thing was tempo. In the last 2 games we played with tempo alot.

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Seattle has played with a quick tempo for 2 years running.

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Now we have not. Not even close qr have had gamesike that but not a whole season. Not even close.

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You're right. Just this year.

But also weren't close to the bottom of the league in the preceding years, despite the narrative.

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats ... stats/2021

Overall I think the line has just played WAY better the last few weeks as well

-They didn't get a single holding call today, which is very strange for a Seahawks OL

-They didn't get a single false start, again very strange for a Seahawks OL

-I think Russ was only sacked once today albeit it was the worst one when he fumbled it for an AZ touchdown-I think Damien Lewis gave that one up, no surprise there

-Penny was getting some VERY big holes to run through, not to take anything away from him but Chris Carson would've done well today too had he played

-Russ was getting a good amount of time on most of his throws and when he wasn't getting the time, he at least was getting the space to maneuver to make a throw.

Jake Currhan is a serious diamond in the rough, I thought he was great in pass pro and run blocking- and he was awesome in giving Russ the space he needed to make those throws when he get outside the pocket.

Polk738":35dm0eaz said:

Overall I think the line has just played WAY better the last few weeks as well

-They didn't get a single holding call today, which is very strange for a Seahawks OL

-They didn't get a single false start, again very strange for a Seahawks OL

-I think Russ was only sacked once today albeit it was the worst one when he fumbled it for an AZ touchdown-I think Damien Lewis gave that one up, no surprise there

-Penny was getting some VERY big holes to run through, not to take anything away from him but Chris Carson would've done well today too had he played

-Russ was getting a good amount of time on most of his throws and when he wasn't getting the time, he at least was getting the space to maneuver to make a throw.

Jake Currhan is a serious diamond in the rough, I thought he was great in pass pro and run blocking- and he was awesome in giving Russ the space he needed to make those throws when he get outside the pocket.

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This^^^^

Not even close qr have had gamesike that but not a whole season

WTF did you just say?

A good running game is key for ANY good QB. Including Russ, Lord Brady and walk on water Rodgers.

Mizak":2huy6gma said:

Not even close qr have had gamesike that but not a whole season

WTF did you just say?

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:187734: YES....please supply translation...lmao.

Fernie Hawks Fan":2ujr0uol said:

Mizak":2ujr0uol said:

Not even close qr have had gamesike that but not a whole season

WTF did you just say?

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:187734: YES....please supply translation...lmao.

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Translation is I have been drinking heavily and am doing my best so leave me alone. :chug: :chug:

Here's an interesting stat book run defense rankings:

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/o ... s-per-game

Noticed how the teams in the bottom half the Seahawks managed to win (or have tight games) against. Meanwhile the top run defense teams tend to embarass the Hawks? Except for SF (because for whatever reason our Hawks play the Niners like its their SB season after season, which I'm okay with).

The running game is the key to winning against a team that struggled to defend the run. That being said every team is different, and that's the issue we've seen game after game, season after season. What is the answer against teams that are built against the run? (well it worked in 2012-2014...) well that team also had a defense full of future HOFers on rookie contracts, a top 3 QB being paid 300k/year allowing for a rotation of pro bowl DEs and Beast Mode as your RB. Gee it's no wonder that team could execute just about every game (even though I do remember some very close tough games being pulled out of their asses even in those years)

The reality is the run is the key against t a poor run defense
the pass is the key against a poor pass defense

The reis no one size fits all. each game has different challenges and you game plan to take advantage and then you make adjustments as needed.

seabowl":1ebhk9us said:

It was apparent with Lynch, Carson (when healthy), and now Penney (when healthy) that Pete Carroll coached teams win or lose based on the running game. If Pete stays (which I have thought for some time he will) solidifying the run must be the first priority. What happened this year with no running game before a few weeks ago should be the most eye opening part for management in that in order for the team to comPete, they need a good running game. Wilson just can’t do it on his own anymore.

Fix the run game (and D scheme) and win.

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I dis agree it is not just based on the run game its based off of a balanced attack...

LTH

John63":9n1bf3mb said:

The reality is the run is the key against t a poor run defense
the pass is the key against a poor pass defense

The reis no one size fits all. each game has different challenges and you game plan to take advantage and then you make adjustments as needed.

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Maybe this season has been about Pete finally letting go of the "impose our will" BS that worked at USC but got figured out in the NFL after a couple seasons. And Russell learning to play the new flavor of Pete+Waldron-ball.

That bit about a 49ers defender guessing right on the upcoming play 80% based on pre-snap reads... no wonder our offense has struggled in recent years when it mattered most. No wonder Brandon Browner knew what was happening before-hand on "the pick" in SB49.

John63":2zvf6opb said:

The reality is the run is the key against t a poor run defense
the pass is the key against a poor pass defense

The reis no one size fits all. each game has different challenges and you game plan to take advantage and then you make adjustments as needed.

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Except the Cards Defense has NOT been poor against the Run this season, not until yesterday did they give up 180+ yards.
Those Penny runs for the last two weeks, freed up Wilsons' passing attack, and just yesterday, the team that we hung 51 points on last week, beat the Green Bay Rodgers.

seabowl":1vzldxsx said:

It was apparent with Lynch, Carson (when healthy), and now Penney (when healthy) that Pete Carroll coached teams win or lose based on the running game. If Pete stays (which I have thought for some time he will) solidifying the run must be the first priority. What happened this year with no running game before a few weeks ago should be the most eye opening part for management in that in order for the team to comPete, they need a good running game. Wilson just can’t do it on his own anymore.

Fix the run game (and D scheme) and win.

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Indeed. It makes no sense to pay Russell Wilson money for a play action quarterback without the required running attack to slow down pass rushers. Mike Solari has realized great progress in reducing pre-snap penalties and holding penalties. Linemen can enjoy exerting their will on an opponent in an offense that can better stay on schedule. Explosive running plays in recent weeks have added great balance.