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Da Bears—Haha
Thu Apr 29, 2021 7:53 pm
  • Traded 20 for 11 to grab Fields. The Giants received Chicago's first-round (No. 20) and fifth-round picks this year, and the Bears' first- and fourth-rounders next year.

    I’m an OSU fan (live in Dayton) and this is a terrible move. Kipper is crazy too. If you’re coughing up an additional first, I would’ve aimed higher. Perhaps they did???

    They certainly have a need and must take what they can but I predict their bad luck continues.
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Re: Da Bears—Haha
Thu Apr 29, 2021 8:17 pm
  • I think Fields is the best of the bunch.

    However, the only thing worse for a QB going to the Jets is going to the Bears
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Re: Da Bears—Haha
Thu Apr 29, 2021 8:48 pm
  • Elemas wrote:Traded 20 for 11 to grab Fields. The Giants received Chicago's first-round (No. 20) and fifth-round picks this year, and the Bears' first- and fourth-rounders next year.

    I’m an OSU fan (live in Dayton) and this is a terrible move. Kipper is crazy too. If you’re coughing up an additional first, I would’ve aimed higher. Perhaps they did???

    They certainly have a need and must take what they can but I predict their bad luck continues.


    The Da Bears have been a solid roster without a QB since stupidly drafting Trubisky. Fields may be undersized, but, he showed his ability to throw deep bombs downfield during the college postseason. He just needs to stay healthy.
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Re: Da Bears—Haha
Thu Apr 29, 2021 8:50 pm
  • I know they didn’t have much choice. Best player that fit their #1 need. Just seems like a lot to give up. They were pigeonholed and didn’t have much of a choice.

    Maybe it’s my lack of faith in the kid.

    They had to do it. Bad post...
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Re: Da Bears—Haha
Thu Apr 29, 2021 10:25 pm
  • I like Fields at #11 a lot more than Wilson at #2 and Lance at #3. I don’t like Wilson in New York City and I don’t like the price SF paid to move up. Sam Darnold is a good QB Jets blew it!
    As for SF & Fields it will depend on SF’s ability to groom him, I believe Fields has the talent & character but I question if Shanahan can develop a QB.
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Re: Da Bears—Haha
Fri Apr 30, 2021 12:02 am
  • You guys obviously don't pay attention to the Buckeyes in College Football or their history of quarterbacks.
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Re: Da Bears—Haha
Fri Apr 30, 2021 4:43 am
  • FresnoHawk68 wrote:As for SF & Fields it will depend on SF’s ability to groom him, I believe Fields has the talent & character but I question if Shanahan can develop a QB.


    There are a lot of unknowns related to the draft, but I am certain Shanahan and SF are going to do a piss poor job of grooming and developing Justin Fields. I will take any bet on that.
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Re: Da Bears—Haha
Fri Apr 30, 2021 6:20 am
  • What just baffles me and annoys me is that if you read the espn article, apparently at some point the coach talked with Andy Dalton Thursday and assured him and the public that he’s the starting qb.

    How idiotic and moronic is that statement?

    If i were Nagy I’d call Andy and say ‘clocks ticking Red Rocket. Crap or get off the pot’

    I would let fields know as well. Best player is starting, come to practice Ready to compete or I’ll be starting a ginger backup over you every day and twice on Sunday.
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Re: Da Bears—Haha
Fri Apr 30, 2021 10:21 am
  • Seanhawk wrote:
    FresnoHawk68 wrote:As for SF & Fields it will depend on SF’s ability to groom him, I believe Fields has the talent & character but I question if Shanahan can develop a QB.


    There are a lot of unknowns related to the draft, but I am certain Shanahan and SF are going to do a piss poor job of grooming and developing Justin Fields. I will take any bet on that.


    Agreed! I would bet Justin Fields is not even on the 49ers roster after the cuts down to the 53 man roster.

    I'm excited about Lance. I think he went to the perfect situation. Let him sit behind Jimmy G for the year, work on his consistency and learn the complex offense without pressure of starting immediately. Plus Shanahan runs a heavy play-action system that Lance already has a TON of experience with.
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Re: Da Bears—Haha
Fri Apr 30, 2021 10:31 am
  • QuickLightning wrote:
    Seanhawk wrote:
    FresnoHawk68 wrote:As for SF & Fields it will depend on SF’s ability to groom him, I believe Fields has the talent & character but I question if Shanahan can develop a QB.


    There are a lot of unknowns related to the draft, but I am certain Shanahan and SF are going to do a piss poor job of grooming and developing Justin Fields. I will take any bet on that.


    Agreed! I would bet Justin Fields is not even on the 49ers roster after the cuts down to the 53 man roster.

    I'm excited about Lance. I think he went to the perfect situation. Let him sit behind Jimmy G for the year, work on his consistency and learn the complex offense without pressure of starting immediately. Plus Shanahan runs a heavy play-action system that Lance already has a TON of experience with.



    As a Hawks fan I'm THRILLED the niners chose Lance, and the fact they gave up the farm to get him,,,even better.

    Can't teach accuracy, either you have it by now or you don't. This year reminds me of the Jake Locker, Blane Gabbert, Christian Ponder draft.
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Re: Da Bears—Haha
Fri Apr 30, 2021 12:51 pm
  • QuickLightning wrote:
    Seanhawk wrote:
    FresnoHawk68 wrote:As for SF & Fields it will depend on SF’s ability to groom him, I believe Fields has the talent & character but I question if Shanahan can develop a QB.


    There are a lot of unknowns related to the draft, but I am certain Shanahan and SF are going to do a piss poor job of grooming and developing Justin Fields. I will take any bet on that.


    Agreed! I would bet Justin Fields is not even on the 49ers roster after the cuts down to the 53 man roster.

    I'm excited about Lance. I think he went to the perfect situation. Let him sit behind Jimmy G for the year, work on his consistency and learn the complex offense without pressure of starting immediately. Plus Shanahan runs a heavy play-action system that Lance already has a TON of experience with.


    You're excited about Lance? Are you a Niners fan? Because as a Hawk fan, the only way I'd be excited about him is if I thought he would be $h!t.
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Re: Da Bears—Haha
Fri Apr 30, 2021 2:07 pm
  • jmahon316 wrote:You guys obviously don't pay attention to the Buckeyes in College Football or their history of quarterbacks.



    Exactly. Name one OSU QB that went on to have NFL success as a qb. They all look like superstars in college but never pan out in the NFL. I don't know why. Scheme? OSU's history of stellar WRs? Who knows? Plus, this kid couldn't beat out Jake Fromm at Georgia? Bears could have taken Mac Jones. He isn't as athletic as Fields but I think he is a better QB.
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Re: Da Bears—Haha
Fri Apr 30, 2021 3:22 pm
  • WmHBonney wrote:
    jmahon316 wrote:You guys obviously don't pay attention to the Buckeyes in College Football or their history of quarterbacks.



    Exactly. Name one OSU QB that went on to have NFL success as a qb. They all look like superstars in college but never pan out in the NFL. I don't know why. Scheme? OSU's history of stellar WRs? Who knows? Plus, this kid couldn't beat out Jake Fromm at Georgia? Bears could have taken Mac Jones. He isn't as athletic as Fields but I think he is a better QB.


    I'm so glad I'm not the only one who sees beyond college hype in Ohio State QB's. Every single time, it's "THEY WILL BE ELITE" and every single time, we're left disappointed.
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Re: Da Bears—Haha
Fri Apr 30, 2021 3:43 pm
  • WmHBonney wrote:
    jmahon316 wrote:You guys obviously don't pay attention to the Buckeyes in College Football or their history of quarterbacks.



    Exactly. Name one OSU QB that went on to have NFL success as a qb. They all look like superstars in college but never pan out in the NFL. I don't know why. Scheme? OSU's history of stellar WRs? Who knows? Plus, this kid couldn't beat out Jake Fromm at Georgia? Bears could have taken Mac Jones. He isn't as athletic as Fields but I think he is a better QB.


    You're seriously bagging on OSU QBs as a predictor of Fields' success, but then you say they could have taken Mac Jones? Name an Alabama QB that's been worth a $h!t in the NFL.
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Re: Da Bears—Haha
Fri Apr 30, 2021 4:00 pm
  • Seanhawk wrote:
    WmHBonney wrote:
    jmahon316 wrote:You guys obviously don't pay attention to the Buckeyes in College Football or their history of quarterbacks.



    Exactly. Name one OSU QB that went on to have NFL success as a qb. They all look like superstars in college but never pan out in the NFL. I don't know why. Scheme? OSU's history of stellar WRs? Who knows? Plus, this kid couldn't beat out Jake Fromm at Georgia? Bears could have taken Mac Jones. He isn't as athletic as Fields but I think he is a better QB.


    You're seriously bagging on OSU QBs as a predictor of Fields' success, but then you say they could have taken Mac Jones? Name an Alabama QB that's been worth a $h!t in the NFL.


    I agree with you, but I also think Mac Jones is just as trash as Justin Fields and neither one has what it takes to make it in the NFL. I'll eat crow when either one proves me wrong.
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Re: Da Bears—Haha
Fri Apr 30, 2021 4:41 pm
  • Seanhawk wrote:
    WmHBonney wrote:
    jmahon316 wrote:You guys obviously don't pay attention to the Buckeyes in College Football or their history of quarterbacks.



    Exactly. Name one OSU QB that went on to have NFL success as a qb. They all look like superstars in college but never pan out in the NFL. I don't know why. Scheme? OSU's history of stellar WRs? Who knows? Plus, this kid couldn't beat out Jake Fromm at Georgia? Bears could have taken Mac Jones. He isn't as athletic as Fields but I think he is a better QB.


    You're seriously bagging on OSU QBs as a predictor of Fields' success, but then you say they could have taken Mac Jones? Name an Alabama QB that's been worth a $h!t in the NFL.


    I agree with you and its definitely been awhile but - Richard Todd, The Snake, Namath, and Starr.
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Re: Da Bears—Haha
Fri Apr 30, 2021 5:57 pm
  • FresnoHawk68 wrote: but I question if Shanahan can develop a QB.


    Why?

    Robert Griffin was offensive rookie of the year and led the Redskins to the playoffs until he tore his knee up. The other rookie they drafted that year Kirk Cousins turned out pretty good. Johnny Manziel screwed his life up due to partying. Hoyer had his best years ever in Cleveland. Matt Ryan was MVP under him. Garoppolo took the team to the Super Bowl. Beathard just isn't talented. Mullens was an UDFA, what do you expect?


    I think this is a wishful take rather than anything based in fact
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Re: Da Bears—Haha
Fri Apr 30, 2021 6:31 pm
  • Seanhawk wrote:
    WmHBonney wrote:
    jmahon316 wrote:You guys obviously don't pay attention to the Buckeyes in College Football or their history of quarterbacks.



    Exactly. Name one OSU QB that went on to have NFL success as a qb. They all look like superstars in college but never pan out in the NFL. I don't know why. Scheme? OSU's history of stellar WRs? Who knows? Plus, this kid couldn't beat out Jake Fromm at Georgia? Bears could have taken Mac Jones. He isn't as athletic as Fields but I think he is a better QB.


    You're seriously bagging on OSU QBs as a predictor of Fields' success, but then you say they could have taken Mac Jones? Name an Alabama QB that's been worth a $h!t in the NFL.


    Let's see....who did Belechick pick in the first round? When was the last time Belechick picked a QB in the first round? I like Jones' chances.
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Re: Da Bears—Haha
Fri Apr 30, 2021 6:46 pm
  • WmHBonney wrote:
    Seanhawk wrote:
    WmHBonney wrote:
    jmahon316 wrote:You guys obviously don't pay attention to the Buckeyes in College Football or their history of quarterbacks.



    Exactly. Name one OSU QB that went on to have NFL success as a qb. They all look like superstars in college but never pan out in the NFL. I don't know why. Scheme? OSU's history of stellar WRs? Who knows? Plus, this kid couldn't beat out Jake Fromm at Georgia? Bears could have taken Mac Jones. He isn't as athletic as Fields but I think he is a better QB.


    You're seriously bagging on OSU QBs as a predictor of Fields' success, but then you say they could have taken Mac Jones? Name an Alabama QB that's been worth a $h!t in the NFL.


    Let's see....who did Belechick pick in the first round? When was the last time Belechick picked a QB in the first round? I like Jones' chances.


    But when was the last time the Bears picked a successful QB in the first round? You couple that with no Alabama QBs in the last 35 years being worth a damn, Jones would be sure to bust had the Bears taken him using all this ridiculous logic.
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Re: Da Bears—Haha
Mon May 03, 2021 9:37 pm
  • Seanhawk wrote:... But when was the last time the Bears picked a successful QB in the first round? You couple that with no Alabama QBs in the last 35 years being worth a damn, Jones would be sure to bust had the Bears taken him using all this ridiculous logic.

    What effect does any of this history have on this specific pick?
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Re: Da Bears—Haha
Wed May 05, 2021 6:18 am
  • Seanhawk wrote:
    WmHBonney wrote:
    jmahon316 wrote:You guys obviously don't pay attention to the Buckeyes in College Football or their history of quarterbacks.



    Exactly. Name one OSU QB that went on to have NFL success as a qb. They all look like superstars in college but never pan out in the NFL. I don't know why. Scheme? OSU's history of stellar WRs? Who knows? Plus, this kid couldn't beat out Jake Fromm at Georgia? Bears could have taken Mac Jones. He isn't as athletic as Fields but I think he is a better QB.


    You're seriously bagging on OSU QBs as a predictor of Fields' success, but then you say they could have taken Mac Jones? Name an Alabama QB that's been worth a $h!t in the NFL.



    I tend to agree with both of you and it was part of the reason why I made this post. Fields is an athlete no doubt but, you can’t discount the truth that OSU QBs typically don’t work out. I don’t know why. Chicago really had no choice but, they definitely gave up more than I think most of their fans wanted to. But, I know their fan base also has to be happy to have some encouragement at that position.

    Maybe because they’re surrounded by talent, they shine on college. Plenty of QBs, like Burrow for example, have had talented receivers, lines, etc in college and have went off and played well in the NFL.
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Re: Da Bears—Haha
Wed May 05, 2021 5:41 pm
  • Somos doces wrote:
    Seanhawk wrote:... But when was the last time the Bears picked a successful QB in the first round? You couple that with no Alabama QBs in the last 35 years being worth a damn, Jones would be sure to bust had the Bears taken him using all this ridiculous logic.

    What effect does any of this history have on this specific pick?


    None. That was the whole point of my post. Hence the term "ridiculous logic."
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Re: Da Bears—Haha
Sat May 08, 2021 12:38 pm
  • WmHBonney wrote:
    jmahon316 wrote:You guys obviously don't pay attention to the Buckeyes in College Football or their history of quarterbacks.



    Exactly. Name one OSU QB that went on to have NFL success as a qb. They all look like superstars in college but never pan out in the NFL. I don't know why. Scheme? OSU's history of stellar WRs? Who knows? Plus, this kid couldn't beat out Jake Fromm at Georgia? Bears could have taken Mac Jones. He isn't as athletic as Fields but I think he is a better QB.


    That’s just a lame argument. It’s true until it’s not. You can’t make a real decision based on it.

    Name a QB from Texas Tech before Mahomes. You can make this argument about almost any school. Most Ohio State QBs are famous, but no highly drafted. Haskins is the exception, not the rule. Troy Smith was a late pick. Cardale Jones was a late pick. Braxton Miller switched positions. You judge every QB independently.

    I mean, name a school that’s even had more than one. Stanford?

    Fields may or may not be good, but it has zilch to do with the school he attended.

    I mean people used to say the exact same thing about Jeff Tedford QBs...until Aaron Rodgers.

    If you skip guys because of “history” like that, you are doomed to make big mistakes.
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Re: Da Bears—Haha
Sat May 08, 2021 5:02 pm
  • Schools can produce a long string of QB's for the league, UW has had many, but it's about the systems they run, is what they are doing translate to the NFL, then you need to be winning as well to have a string of QB's. So Coaching is a big factor. Michigan was producing QB's pretty well as was Notre Dame for many years, Miami also. You don't hear much about a lot of those Schools QB's and them being a phenom anymore since the Coaches have moved on and retired. Florida State had great numbers but Spurriers system didn't translate well to the NFL, teams picked QB's from there and they failed in the league, RB's were a different story.

    Even little ole Washington State was a pretty good QB factory when Price, Walden and Erickson were the coaches.
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Re: Da Bears—Haha
Mon May 10, 2021 10:01 am
  • chris98251 wrote:Schools can produce a long string of QB's for the league, UW has had many, but it's about the systems they run, is what they are doing translate to the NFL, then you need to be winning as well to have a string of QB's. So Coaching is a big factor. Michigan was producing QB's pretty well as was Notre Dame for many years, Miami also. You don't hear much about a lot of those Schools QB's and them being a phenom anymore since the Coaches have moved on and retired. Florida State had great numbers but Spurriers system didn't translate well to the NFL, teams picked QB's from there and they failed in the league, RB's were a different story.

    Even little ole Washington State was a pretty good QB factory when Price, Walden and Erickson were the coaches.


    True, but you can't discount players entirely based on those schools/systems. The same two examples, Texas Tech and Jeff Tedford QBs apply.

    Justin Fields isn't Haskins, Troy Smith or Cardale Jones. I don't know if he'll be successful, but I'm surely not going to discount him making it based solely on playing at Ohio State.
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Re: Da Bears—Haha
Tue May 11, 2021 10:01 am
  • Shoot, I'm just glad the Niners didn't take Fields. WAY more pro ready imo.
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