Chukarhawk
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he was never going to be an NFL QB. He should have gone TE immediately was saying that before he was even drafted
Tim Tebow Playing TE With Jags
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ryank24":1192xgh4 said:
Every NFL team puts their back up in during a blowout, then puts the starter back in for the next game. Tim was pulled from the starting position. 2 completely different scenarios that can't be compared in an intelligent conversation.
XxXdragonXxX
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This argument is ridiculous. Tebow was treated unfairly because he was cut after completing 75% of 8 passes for 39 yards? Really? You don't think that maybe they looked at his body of work, how he looked in practice, and determined that going 6 of 8 in 2 games was maybe an aberration? Tebow stunk up the joint in Denver. 8 passes isn't going to convince anyone he was suddenly good.
He also WAS NOT THE STARTER. He took the first snap of the game in the 1st and 3rd games of the season because they were running trick plays to start the game, in fact 1 of those starts wasn't even a QB start, Mark Sanchez started 15 games that season. He threw ZERO passes in both of his starts. His 8 passes came in trick plays in other games. The Jets used him as a wildcat QB almost exclusively that season.
He also WAS NOT THE STARTER. He took the first snap of the game in the 1st and 3rd games of the season because they were running trick plays to start the game, in fact 1 of those starts wasn't even a QB start, Mark Sanchez started 15 games that season. He threw ZERO passes in both of his starts. His 8 passes came in trick plays in other games. The Jets used him as a wildcat QB almost exclusively that season.
Maelstrom787
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Spohawks":453xbhji said:
He's obviously not a starter, though. In actual starting situations, he played beyond horribly. He can't hit receivers in stride, he can't fix his horrible motion, and he can't deliver the ball on time.
Again, you're so big on stats - how ahout that 47% career completion percentage?
This is laughable. Tebow is horrible.
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Spohawks":230jven9 said:
In that case they can most certainly be compared in this conversation! :roll:
XxXdragonXxX
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The whole premise of the argument is false in the beginning. He's claiming that Tebow lost his starting job after going 6 for 8. When in fact Tebow was the backup to Mark Sanchez from the beginning. He "started" 2 games by being in for the 1st play of those 2 games as a gimmick wildcat QB. So, no, Tebow didn't "lose" the starter gig, he never had it.
Furthermore, 5 of his completions went for a total of 16 yards. The other 1 completion for 23 yards was on a fake punt thrown to a wide open receiver that was caught 5 yards down field. So he had 39 yards on 6 passes that were all caught within 5 yards of the LOS, mostly on trick plays. So his 75% passing is a little bit inflated by dumpoff passes.
Furthermore, 5 of his completions went for a total of 16 yards. The other 1 completion for 23 yards was on a fake punt thrown to a wide open receiver that was caught 5 yards down field. So he had 39 yards on 6 passes that were all caught within 5 yards of the LOS, mostly on trick plays. So his 75% passing is a little bit inflated by dumpoff passes.
Its so obvious when someone is dead set on hating Tebow...they make up stats/assumptions, won't answer straight up questions and act as if your feelings matter to the NFL....and its a bit embarrassing.
Which team have you ever heard say "We cut him because of his stats before he got here"? Career stats mean nothing when I am referencing that he was cut unfairly by the Jets.
As mentioned before if you don't like his yards or amount of plays... play calling and who plays in the game is 100% on the coaches. Tebow only controls the ball being thrown...they tell him who to throw it to.
Tebow did phenomenal with the body of work the Jets gave him. All Pro level! If your personal issues get in the way of the facts...well thats on you.
Which team have you ever heard say "We cut him because of his stats before he got here"? Career stats mean nothing when I am referencing that he was cut unfairly by the Jets.
As mentioned before if you don't like his yards or amount of plays... play calling and who plays in the game is 100% on the coaches. Tebow only controls the ball being thrown...they tell him who to throw it to.
Tebow did phenomenal with the body of work the Jets gave him. All Pro level! If your personal issues get in the way of the facts...well thats on you.
XxXdragonXxX
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Lol, the guy who made up that Tebow was the starter for the Jets, accuses others of making up stats.
All pro level? LMFAO. At this point, I have to assume you're trolling or know literally nothing about football.
All pro level? LMFAO. At this point, I have to assume you're trolling or know literally nothing about football.
Maelstrom787
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Spohawks":2m44qhdg said:
What team have you ever heard of that made a decision based on completion percentage in an 8 play sample size?
This is hall of fame level trolling
If are like 12 years old, do your thing. But if you are an adult....attack the post, not the poster.XxXdragonXxX":337xgqmr said:
Normally people attack/name call because they have no intelligent arguments left...be above that or go some where else.
XxXdragonXxX
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Spohawks":ulcqxrlv said:
Yes, I did attack the post. Your post shows you either have no football knowledge, or you're trolling. I see no "name calling" there.
XxXdragonXxX
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Spohawks":2h92rtmt said:
The Jets made a decision based on a terrible career body of work, practice performance, and a below average performance as a gimmick wildcat player. They didn't let a stupid stat like 75% passing in a meseley 8 attempts cloud their judgment.
Meanwhile, you have dug your heals in to defend legitimately one of the worst starting QBs in NFL history, in order to make a point that if he were black the team would be called racist for cutting him (they wouldn't have, cause he sucked.)
Maelstrom787
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Spohawks":2lmxt6zo said:
No, they didn't. He wasn't the starting quarterback, and he didn't become the starting quarterback. You know why? Because he sucks ass and always did as a pro.
Threedee
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Tebow may be an awful QB, but, that 2011 season made it all worthwhile for me. Particularly the pass to Thomas to eliminate the Stealers from the playoffs. I still Tebow after bowling a strike.
XxXdragonXxX":lchdtaf4 said:
Again, no team has ever cut a player for past stats from a previous team. So you are wrong about that one. Or show me a quote that proves other wise from any front office.
Answer this question honestly. Lets say Justin Fields hits on his first 6 for 8 passes, no fumbles and no interceptions...then gets pulled for a white QB. Will there be any talks of Racism in Chicago?
I can't wait for that answer!
Maelstrom787":1g7ttu5e said:
"He sucks and always did as a pro". Prove he sucked with the Jets...where it was 100% his fault.
Fyi...You can't. Just more random made up garage about Tebow. Admit the guy rocked for the Jets and call it a day.
Maelstrom787
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Spohawks":2l1x1s11 said:
He didn't rock. An 8 pass sample size shows absolutely nothing, and his Y/A on those 8 passes was 4.9, which is a horrendous figure that is beaten by some running backs on rushes.
I'm starting to actually believe you're serious here, which would be sad on several levels.
XxXdragonXxX
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Spohawks":lhigshgy said:
Why don't we change the comparison to a more accurate one.
Let's say Fields sucks dick for Chicago, he's an absolute dumpster fire for 2 years. Chicago cuts him. He goes to another team that uses him as a gimmick wildcat player, never starts a game at QB for them, but throws 8 passes throughout the season and completes 6 of them. The team decides not to bring him back the next year. No that's not racist and nobody will think it's racist.
Now if Fields actually starts a game, goes 6 for 8 and the team pulled him mid game for no reason, MAYBE that would be racist. But that's not what happened with Tebow. He was never "pulled' for anyone. Mark Sanchez was the starter all along, Tebow was a gimmick player that only came in to run the stupid wildcat formation that was largely a failure for the Jets, they decided to move on from that gimmick.
You are completely warping what happened with Tebow in order to prove....I don't even know? That racism doesn't exist in the NFL? Or that the NFL is racist against white QBs? Your posts are so off the rocker I don't even know what you're trying to prove.
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