Congrats Tre Flowers

You are Super Bowl bound. To think that he was a liability while playing for the Seahawks, asking the team to release him, and going to a team you had no idea was going to the Super Bowl months down the road. Flowers hit jackpot at the right time.

I think he even made a play or two in the AFCCG. Pretty sure he's still the same Tre Flowers, but Cincy is using him differently, not expecting him to be 2nd coming of Richard Sherman. Anyone have any thoughts, see specific things on how Cincy is using Flowers differently than Hawks did?

EDIT: Answering my own question a bit... Kudos to the Bengals coaching staff for figuring out how to use Flowers' strengths. KNJ couldn't seem to...

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/ho ... ar-AATfiWl

"In Cincinnati, Flowers bought into a role that virtually only includes guarding tight ends and playing special teams. Instead of playing every down, Flowers uses his physical style at the line of scrimmage and his 6-foot-3 frame to hold up against the league’s top tight ends.":

"Last season, the Bengals defense allowed the third-most receiving yards to tight ends across the entire NFL. This year, Flowers has added stability in his role. His strength at the line of scrimmage allows him to stay on the tight end’s hip, and Flowers doesn’t usually have a size mismatch against the biggest players he faces."

"Since the Ravens game, Flowers has been a third down specialist used in one-on-one coverage against some of the best tight ends in the NFL. He has guarded All-Pros like George Kittle of the San Francisco 49ers and rising stars like Noah Fant of the Denver Broncos. "

"“He's kind of like our tight end stopper,” Bengals cornerback Mike Hilton said. “If you really see how we use him against some of the tight ends we play, he's the guy that's matching those guys. And he's been playing well against them. We're excited every time he's on the field because we expect him to make a play.”"
"the Bengals designated hitter against tight ends. For the second time in a month he'll be matched against future Hall-of-Famer Travis Kelce."

"Flowers’ best game of the year came in Week 17 against the Kansas City Chiefs and tight end Travis Kelce. Flowers was the Bengals best defender against the seven-time Pro Bowler, and he allowed only seven receiving yards in that
game as Kelce had one of his worst performances of the season."
It’ll be another difficult test for Flowers, but Flowers did win the first matchup this year between them.

https://www.bengals.com/news/playoff-no ... ring-up-pl

"What has not been conflicting is that Flowers has been the consummate team player since becoming a Bengal. When their best special teams player, kick returner and gunner Brandon Wilson went out for the season, Flowers jumped in to cover punts. Then when the other gunner, Stanley Morgan, Jr., got hurt for the playoffs, Flowers became a staple."

I hate to be the party pooper but Cincy still makes the Super Bowl without Flowers. Good for him to be lucky enough to be picked up on a team going to the Super Bowl…

I like Trey Flowers the person, but I think Trey Flowers the football player is a liability on the field.

Sports Hernia":1xhfhqzu said:

I hate to be the party pooper but Cincy still makes the Super Bowl without Flowers. Good for him to be lucky enough to be picked up on a team going to the Super Bowl…

I like Trey Flowers the person, but I think Trey Flowers the football player is a liability on the field.

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You could add some credibility to your version by not continuing to add a "y" to the end of his name; he doesn't spell it with a Y. Until you can actually get his name right, zero credibility.

Not only that, you miss the point of the *real* "always compete" mentality of the Bengals defensive coaching staff that found a situational role where Flowers could truly help them. If Flowers makes a positive difference on 3 key plays a game, that's HUGE.

No question Tre Flowers was a huge liability on the field for the Seahawks the way the team and KNJ used him. Kudos to the Bengals for finding stuff he can actually do and using him to his strengths.

Bengals also asked him to be a punt gunner for them and he's done well there too.

To me the point is that late in the season, with lots of main guys injured, it's often the roster fringe players who play big roles in big games, pro or con, and teams who get outsize contributions from minimum-salary guys, well, sometimes a few plays make the difference. The difference between trotting out a Tre Flowers vs an Etric Pruitt, trotting out a Marcus Burley instead of a Tharald Simon, those matchups can, and have, literally decided which team wins a Super Bowl.

I always felt we lost SB49 when Jeremy Lane went down and Pete matched up Tharald Simon on Edelman and Amendola. Brady feasted. Slot corner Marcus Burley was inactive, never understood that Carroll decision.

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Sports Hernia":3gpvcqco said:

I hate to be the party pooper but Cincy still makes the Super Bowl without Flowers. Good for him to be lucky enough to be picked up on a team going to the Super Bowl…

I like Trey Flowers the person, but I think Trey Flowers the football player is a liability on the field.

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You could add some credibility to your version by not continuing to add a "y" to the end of his name; he doesn't spell it with a Y. Until you can actually get his name right, zero credibility.

Not only that, you miss the point of the *real* "always compete" mentality of the Bengals defensive coaching staff that found a situational role where Flowers could truly help them. If Flowers makes a positive difference on 3 key plays a game, that's HUGE.

No question Tre Flowers was a huge liability on the field for the Seahawks the way the team and KNJ used him. Kudos to the Bengals for finding stuff he can actually do and using him to his strengths.

Bengals also asked him to be a punt gunner for them and he's done well there too.

To me the point is that late in the season, with lots of main guys injured, it's often the roster fringe players who play big roles in big games, pro or con, and teams who get outsize contributions from minimum-salary guys, well, sometimes a few plays make the difference. The difference between trotting out a Tre Flowers vs an Etric Pruitt, trotting out a Marcus Burley instead of a Tharald Simon, those matchups can, and have, literally decided which team wins a Super Bowl.

I always felt we lost SB49 when Jeremy Lane went down and Pete matched up Tharald Simon on Edelman and Amendola. Brady feasted. Slot corner Marcus Burley was inactive, never understood that Carroll decision.

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LOL, now I know why I had you on ignore for the longest time. Back you go to the foe list.

Sports Hernia":c96pmvvi said:

LOL, now I know why I had you on ignore for the longest time. Back you go to the foe list.

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Please and thank you. Sometimes you have interesting and reasonable takes but lots of self-aggrandizing narcissistic mental diarrhea spew mixed in. Sorry, but you are just not God's gift to football fan message boards.

Sorry you got all butt-hurt at having your intellectual sloppiness called out when you pretend to be an authority on a player whose name you can't even be bothered to spell correctly.

Trey Flower gets lit up in 2 weeks...but he does get to to play in a super bowl..not every player gets to be part of something like that.

He will never be a star defender. But he can be a good role player as he has shown. He has been great when asked to cover TE's. As long as a team uses his strengths and don't try to put him into a a position he is not suited to, he will do well and help.

To me the biggest take form this is this. The Hawks tried to force him to be a outside CB covering other teams WR2. He is not well suited to that and it showed. The Bengals saw a really big CB that can cover slower big WR's or TE's and that is what they use him for. Kinda a special nickle CB which suits his strengths.

All teams need stars and role players to be a success then Bengals figured out how to get the most out of him and we did not. That says more about coaching staff than anything else. I mean we had Tre Brown that whole time, we could have put in Brown and moved Flowers to a similar role while he was here. He couldn't have been out playing Brown in practice there is just no way Flowers did better in practice as a outside CB than Brown, or we are really doing practices wrong or something.

So the question for me is... why didn't the coaches figure this out?

nutluck":vhf0lmgg said:

He will never be a star defender. But he can be a good role player as he has shown. He has been great when asked to cover TE's. As long as a team uses his strengths and don't try to put him into a a position he is not suited to, he will do well and help.

To me the biggest take form this is this. The Hawks tried to force him to be a outside CB covering other teams WR2. He is not well suited to that and it showed. The Bengals saw a really big CB that can cover slower big WR's or TE's and that is what they use him for. Kinda a special nickle CB which suits his strengths.

All teams need stars and role players to be a success then Bengals figured out how to get the most out of him and we did not. That says more about coaching staff than anything else. I mean we had Tre Brown that whole time, we could have put in Brown and moved Flowers to a similar role while he was here. He couldn't have been out playing Brown in practice there is just no way Flowers did better in practice as a outside CB than Brown, or we are really doing practices wrong or something.

So the question for me is... why didn't the coaches figure this out?

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A nice rehab for Tre, so happy for him. I was under the impression he always practice well, but developed some confidence issues in real games. A new environment, a different role, out of spot lights has bone good. I haven't totally given up on him as RCB, if he could somehow regain his confidence and allow to play close to LOS be physical with the WR.

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toffee":2rc1sx0f said:

A nice rehab for Tre, so happy for him. I was under the impression he always practice well, but developed some confidence issues in real games. A new environment, a different role, out of spot lights has bone good. I haven't totally given up on him as RCB, if he could somehow regain his confidence and allow to play close to LOS be physical with the WR.

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Guess we will find out, but to me I don't think he has the speed and fluid hips to cover outside WR's. I thought he would be best as a hybrid safety that could cover TE's and RB's. I will be curious to see how his career develops going forward.

Tre is a nice player. Really good gunner on special teams for them, and contributes in sub packages as a solid matchup piece on TEs or big slots.

Glad he's found a good fit and success.

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toffee":1cpq4u11 said:

A nice rehab for Tre, so happy for him. I was under the impression he always practice well, but developed some confidence issues in real games. A new environment, a different role, out of spot lights has bone good. I haven't totally given up on him as RCB, if he could somehow regain his confidence and allow to play close to LOS be physical with the WR.

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Guess we will find out, but to me I don't think he has the speed and fluid hips to cover outside WR's. I thought he would be best as a hybrid safety that could cover TE's and RB's. I will be curious to see how his career develops going forward.

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I was speculating of course, we shall see where his career path leads. He was my adopt a rookie and I still wish him all the best.

He is a hybrid safety corner. A team can not play him out the outside he is too much of a liability. In the middle of the field against these matchup TE's, he can really do well.

sdog1981":5l6zhdpk said:

He is a hybrid safety corner. A team can not play him out the outside he is too much of a liability. In the middle of the field against these matchup TE's, he can really do well.

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I feel the same way.

sdog1981":2gsfji5w said:

He is a hybrid safety corner. A team can not play him out the outside he is too much of a liability. In the middle of the field against these matchup TE's, he can really do well.

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Agreed. I thought that on the play where he did pretty well covering Kelce. Looks like the figured out where to use him while our coaches kept trying to turn him into a concern even when it was painfully obvious that wasn't a fit.

Flowers is strength not quick twitch type of player and lining up against fast receivers that have quick twitch versus playing downhill like a safety was not something he adjusted too. He didn't have those tools in his toolbox.

What Flowers did well was tackle.

But he is a good enough corner to at least keep with the TEs.

And he has very effective against shutting down or slowing those mismatch TEs.

Which is frustrating because great TEs have destroyed us enough that one would think we would at least try to put together something that works on TEs, and even more frustrating that something was on our roster the whole time.

TwistedHusky":2hk0vwaa said:

What Flowers did well was tackle.

But he is a good enough corner to at least keep with the TEs.

And he has very effective against shutting down or slowing those mismatch TEs.

Which is frustrating because great TEs have destroyed us enough that one would think we would at least try to put together something that works on TEs, and even more frustrating that something was on our roster the whole time.

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Going more down that road this team had the potential to roll out a multi-safety package to really confuse teams, call it big dime or huge nickel if you will. Flowers, Adams, Neal, Diggs could have combined to give teams fits on those 6 to 8-yard passing/rushing downs.

Flowers learned a lot in Seattle. All DB's learn a lot in our system and I said from the start his career wasn't over. Still glad we got Brown Jr and Reed tho lol and Sydney and Amadi