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Vikings try Pete-Ball and lose!
Sat Jan 11, 2020 4:45 pm
  • Yeah, keep running that crap up the middle. Don't account for the over aggressive Santa Clara Defense and play call around it. Ugh.
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Re: Vikings try Pete-Ball and lose!
Sat Jan 11, 2020 4:48 pm
  • The 49ers try Pete-Ball and win!
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Re: Vikings try Pete-Ball and lose!
Sat Jan 11, 2020 4:59 pm
  • knownone wrote:The 49ers try Pete-Ball and win!


    The 49ers don't run Pete ball at all. Their offense makes you guess what's coming, Pete ball consists of limited amount of simple plays that make execution that much more harder when the defense doesn't have to think.
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Re: Vikings try Pete-Ball and lose!
Sat Jan 11, 2020 5:11 pm
  • cymatica wrote:
    knownone wrote:The 49ers try Pete-Ball and win!


    The 49ers don't run Pete ball at all. Their offense makes you guess what's coming, Pete ball consists of limited amount of simple plays that make execution that much more harder when the defense doesn't have to think.

    Beat me to it.
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Re: Vikings try Pete-Ball and lose!
Sat Jan 11, 2020 7:36 pm
  • Did you watch the game? Vikings ran the ball 10 times. The niners ran the ball almost 40. Threw it 19 times.It was mostly basic zone runs,the same offense his dad ran with a few wrinkles. It was just a physical beat down on both sides of the LOS.
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Re: Vikings try Pete-Ball and lose!
Sat Jan 11, 2020 7:56 pm
  • justafan wrote:Did you watch the game? Vikings ran the ball 10 times. The niners ran the ball almost 40. Threw it 19 times.It was mostly basic zone runs,the same offense his dad ran with a few wrinkles. It was just a physical beat down on both sides of the LOS.


    Watched the whole game. Wouldn't call it basic zone runs. They run a lot of motion and misdirection, different looks and formations, causes the defense to think and react instead of attack.

    Seattle runs the same look almost every time: Shotgun formation with what looks like a zone read but Wilson never keeps it. No adjustment to our injured oline or defensive strength, like repeatedly running straight at Cox up the middle and left side of the injured oline.
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Re: Vikings try Pete-Ball and lose!
Sat Jan 11, 2020 8:12 pm
  • Nice to see the 'Pete sucks' threads have migrated to the NFL Forum
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Re: Vikings try Pete-Ball and lose!
Sat Jan 11, 2020 8:15 pm
  • Watch the Oline. Its the same quick lateral flow that his dad used at Denver and Washington. The motion is often nothing though. Sometimes it lets you know whether its man or zone but other times its nothing. Especially for a zone D.

    They could have given the Vikings their playbook and they couldnt have stopped that mauling at the line of scrimmage.

    I never mentioned Seattle I was talking about Vikings running only 10 times.
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Re: Vikings try Pete-Ball and lose!
Sat Jan 11, 2020 8:23 pm
  • JayhawkMike wrote:Yeah, keep running that crap up the middle.......

    Did you read the post earlier this week that outlined our running plays last week and that around 60% of those were designed to go off tackle or outside and that the Philly d-line blew them up and forced our RBs back inside? The breakdown IS here on this Forum.
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Re: Vikings try Pete-Ball and lose!
Sat Jan 11, 2020 8:24 pm
  • hawksfansinceday1 wrote:Nice to see the 'Pete sucks' threads have migrated to the NFL Forum


    Good gawd. It's not Pete hate. It's called criticism, it's part of watching football unless you think fans should just have unquestionable loyalty towards every facet of their team
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Re: Vikings try Pete-Ball and lose!
Sat Jan 11, 2020 8:29 pm
  • cymatica wrote:
    hawksfansinceday1 wrote:Nice to see the 'Pete sucks' threads have migrated to the NFL Forum


    Good gawd. It's not Pete hate. It's called criticism, it's part of watching football unless you think fans should just have unquestionable loyalty towards every facet of their team

    You'll notice the word "hate" is not in my post
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Re: Vikings try Pete-Ball and lose!
Sat Jan 11, 2020 8:51 pm
  • hawksfansinceday1 wrote:
    cymatica wrote:
    hawksfansinceday1 wrote:Nice to see the 'Pete sucks' threads have migrated to the NFL Forum


    Good gawd. It's not Pete hate. It's called criticism, it's part of watching football unless you think fans should just have unquestionable loyalty towards every facet of their team

    You'll notice the word "hate" is not in my post


    Ok it's not a "Pete Sucks" rant, doesn't change the post. I don't think he sucks at all.
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Re: Vikings try Pete-Ball and lose!
Sat Jan 11, 2020 8:56 pm
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    JayhawkMike wrote:Yeah, keep running that crap up the middle.......

    Did you read the post earlier this week that outlined our running plays last week and that around 60% of those were designed to go off tackle or outside and that the Philly d-line blew them up and forced our RBs back inside? The breakdown IS here on this Forum.


    Because the runs are predictable. Same formation, same play, no motion or misdirection, no variety, with few exceptions. A healthy team with a stud rb make it work, t ends there though
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Re: Vikings try Pete-Ball and lose!
Sat Jan 11, 2020 9:01 pm
  • cymatica wrote:
    hawksfansinceday1 wrote:
    JayhawkMike wrote:Yeah, keep running that crap up the middle.......

    Did you read the post earlier this week that outlined our running plays last week and that around 60% of those were designed to go off tackle or outside and that the Philly d-line blew them up and forced our RBs back inside? The breakdown IS here on this Forum.


    Because the runs are predictable. Same formation, same play, no motion or misdirection, no variety, with few exceptions. A healthy team with a stud rb make it work, t ends there though



    And the Niners are going to run outside zone over and over. The best team at the LOS wins both styles.
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Re: Vikings try Pete-Ball and lose!
Sat Jan 11, 2020 9:01 pm
  • Funny how everyone wants a wide open throw the ball Sean Mcvay type team but Pete ball is winning in the playoffs right now.
    Last edited by getnasty on Sun Jan 12, 2020 2:29 am, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: Vikings try Pete-Ball and lose!
Sat Jan 11, 2020 9:06 pm
  • cymatica wrote:
    hawksfansinceday1 wrote:
    JayhawkMike wrote:Yeah, keep running that crap up the middle.......

    Did you read the post earlier this week that outlined our running plays last week and that around 60% of those were designed to go off tackle or outside and that the Philly d-line blew them up and forced our RBs back inside? The breakdown IS here on this Forum.


    Because the runs are predictable. Same formation, same play, no motion or misdirection, no variety, with few exceptions. A healthy team with a stud rb make it work, t ends there though

    4th string RB for Seattle, 2nd string left side of the o-line. I'll argue all the motion, all the fakes in the world would make no difference. Would the 9ers or Rams be as good running all that "fake out the opposition" stuff with 2nd string o-lineman and their 4th string RB? Serious question. Do you really think they would?
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Re: Vikings try Pete-Ball and lose!
Sat Jan 11, 2020 9:07 pm
  • getnasty wrote:Funny how everyone want a wide open throw the ball Sean Mcvay type team but Pete ball is winning in the playoffs right now.



    Nothing tricky about the either games today. The more physical team won. Run the ball and stop the run and you have a good chance in every game.
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Re: Vikings try Pete-Ball and lose!
Sat Jan 11, 2020 9:20 pm
  • cymatica wrote:
    hawksfansinceday1 wrote:Nice to see the 'Pete sucks' threads have migrated to the NFL Forum


    Good gawd. It's not Pete hate. It's called criticism, it's part of watching football unless you think fans should just have unquestionable loyalty towards every facet of their team


    And it has a,place in the multiple threads on the subject in the main forum.
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Re: Vikings try Pete-Ball and lose!
Sat Jan 11, 2020 9:47 pm
  • getnasty wrote:Funny how everyone want a wide open throw the ball Sean Mcvay type team but Pete ball is winning in the playoffs right now.


    No one suggested wide open throw the ball. Why do you have to use the extreme? Titans have a damn good oline and lynch-esc rb. 49ers have a damn good dline and *creative* offensive playcalling. Pete is a damn good coach for getting a depleted team to the divisional round, but that doesn't refute what I said.

    I swear, it's either 100% for or %100 against Pete around here. Or if you question some aspects of playcalling, then you must want a wide open pass offense.

    You really have to be blind if you can't see the 49er offense is more creative and puts a defense on their heels. They scheme open receivers and free runners all the time. Wilson, in contrast, has to make incredible plays off script and tight window throws, while the rbs consistently have to create their own magic. Most analysts see it plain as day, and Seattle is known as just lining up and not hiding anything. My point is, at least do a better job of trying to hide things, whether it be playcalls or tempo, so it makes it easier for your players to execute.
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Re: Vikings try Pete-Ball and lose!
Sat Jan 11, 2020 9:50 pm
  • hawksfansinceday1 wrote:
    cymatica wrote:
    hawksfansinceday1 wrote:
    JayhawkMike wrote:Yeah, keep running that crap up the middle.......

    Did you read the post earlier this week that outlined our running plays last week and that around 60% of those were designed to go off tackle or outside and that the Philly d-line blew them up and forced our RBs back inside? The breakdown IS here on this Forum.


    Because the runs are predictable. Same formation, same play, no motion or misdirection, no variety, with few exceptions. A healthy team with a stud rb make it work, t ends there though

    4th string RB for Seattle, 2nd string left side of the o-line. I'll argue all the motion, all the fakes in the world would make no difference. Would the 9ers or Rams be as good running all that "fake out the opposition" stuff with 2nd string o-lineman and their 4th string RB? Serious question. Do you really think they would?


    So why do teams even bother doing it at all? Why gameplan? Why use misdirection?
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Re: Vikings try Pete-Ball and lose!
Sat Jan 11, 2020 9:51 pm
  • Uncle Si wrote:
    cymatica wrote:
    hawksfansinceday1 wrote:Nice to see the 'Pete sucks' threads have migrated to the NFL Forum


    Good gawd. It's not Pete hate. It's called criticism, it's part of watching football unless you think fans should just have unquestionable loyalty towards every facet of their team


    And it has a,place in the multiple threads on the subject in the main forum.


    Look at the thread title
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Re: Vikings try Pete-Ball and lose!
Sat Jan 11, 2020 10:18 pm
  • I think people too often just regurgitate talking points without understanding them or even knowing if they're factually relevant or not.

    Saying an offense is creative because it worked that day and another that is very similar in philosophy isn't because it fails at times (so does the "creative" one btw, but that never gets talked about) is lazy. Using motions and misdirection as the evidence is even lazier. Everyone uses motion in hopes of getting the defense to tip man/zone. I'll give you the Rams because they use motion in an attempt to put defenses in no win situations more so than other teams. If you can't break down a play or a games worth of plays and explain what the motion is designed for and what the defenses reaction to that means, you shouldn't be using that talking point to back up anything. And if you still must, please say I've read or I've heard that so and so uses motion for x.

    All of these offenses are a lot closer to each other than you'd think and it still comes down to which team can win their man/man battles up front
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Re: Vikings try Pete-Ball and lose!
Sat Jan 11, 2020 11:26 pm
  • Justafan and OrangeGravy completely nail this. LOS...win it on both sides.
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Re: Vikings try Pete-Ball and lose!
Sun Jan 12, 2020 7:01 am
  • hedgehawk wrote:Justafan and OrangeGravy completely nail this. LOS...win it on both sides.

    Yes sir. Football is not that complex. The reason the Rams struggled more this year is their o-line fell way off. All their exotic offensive $h!t wasn't enough to overcome that.
    I just read that the Ravens put 8 in the box on two thirds of Tennessee's runs and still the Titans o-line opened holes and/or Henry created them himself to the tune of 19 carries for 195 yards. Oh, and the Titans are doing little in the way of trying to fool the opposing D. Instead they're lining up in the I formation and shoving it down people's throats.

    Maybe you could get some support with another anti-Penny thread cymatica cuz no one seems to be behind you on this one
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Re: Vikings try Pete-Ball and lose!
Sun Jan 12, 2020 8:17 am
  • cymatica wrote:
    Uncle Si wrote:
    cymatica wrote:
    hawksfansinceday1 wrote:Nice to see the 'Pete sucks' threads have migrated to the NFL Forum


    Good gawd. It's not Pete hate. It's called criticism, it's part of watching football unless you think fans should just have unquestionable loyalty towards every facet of their team


    And it has a,place in the multiple threads on the subject in the main forum.


    Look at the thread title


    which should be in the main forum..

    finding creative ways to bag on the head coach across multiple forums is just trolling.

    is that you? are you a troll?
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Re: Vikings try Pete-Ball and lose!
Sun Jan 12, 2020 10:22 am
  • hawksfansinceday1 wrote:
    hedgehawk wrote:Justafan and OrangeGravy completely nail this. LOS...win it on both sides.

    Yes sir. Football is not that complex. The reason the Rams struggled more this year is their o-line fell way off. All their exotic offensive $h!t wasn't enough to overcome that.
    I just read that the Ravens put 8 in the box on two thirds of Tennessee's runs and still the Titans o-line opened holes and/or Henry created them himself to the tune of 19 carries for 195 yards. Oh, and the Titans are doing little in the way of trying to fool the opposing D. Instead they're lining up in the I formation and shoving it down people's throats.

    Maybe you could get some support with another anti-Penny thread cymatica cuz no one seems to be behind you on this one


    Anti-penny thread? He wasn't even brought up. I was never anti penny but sure just make crap up.

    Yes, if we had a Tennesse oline, we would be fine running that offense. We don't though, and thats kind of the point
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Re: Vikings try Pete-Ball and lose!
Sun Jan 12, 2020 10:23 am
  • Uncle Si wrote:
    cymatica wrote:
    Uncle Si wrote:
    cymatica wrote:
    Good gawd. It's not Pete hate. It's called criticism, it's part of watching football unless you think fans should just have unquestionable loyalty towards every facet of their team


    And it has a,place in the multiple threads on the subject in the main forum.


    Look at the thread title


    which should be in the main forum..

    finding creative ways to bag on the head coach across multiple forums is just trolling.

    is that you? are you a troll?


    Pathetic. Any criticism of the team and it must be trolling. Got it.
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Re: Vikings try Pete-Ball and lose!
Sun Jan 12, 2020 11:28 am
  • cymatica wrote:
    getnasty wrote:Funny how everyone want a wide open throw the ball Sean Mcvay type team but Pete ball is winning in the playoffs right now.


    No one suggested wide open throw the ball. Why do you have to use the extreme? Titans have a damn good oline and lynch-esc rb. 49ers have a damn good dline and *creative* offensive playcalling. Pete is a damn good coach for getting a depleted team to the divisional round, but that doesn't refute what I said.

    I swear, it's either 100% for or %100 against Pete around here. Or if you question some aspects of playcalling, then you must want a wide open pass offense.

    You really have to be blind if you can't see the 49er offense is more creative and puts a defense on their heels. They scheme open receivers and free runners all the time. Wilson, in contrast, has to make incredible plays off script and tight window throws, while the rbs consistently have to create their own magic. Most analysts see it plain as day, and Seattle is known as just lining up and not hiding anything. My point is, at least do a better job of trying to hide things, whether it be playcalls or tempo, so it makes it easier for your players to execute.


    My original was mainly to the op it wasnt about being critical it was about being completely wrong. I actually think there are a lot of posts from people who dont even see the game.

    Niners run a great offense scheme,but it works so well because they have one of the best run Olines in the league,the best complete TE in the league,maybe the best FB, 2 very good WRs and a pretty good QB.. It didnt work that well in Cleveland,Houston or Washington for him. It worked in Atl. They were loaded on offense.

    If he is such a better coach and has better scheme than Pete, why did we play them so well?
    They are clearly a better team top to bottom talent wise. We won the first and almost won the second. Our run game and Oline were decimated by injuries and we should have won even with O moved back to the 6 yd line.
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Re: Vikings try Pete-Ball and lose!
Sun Jan 12, 2020 11:30 am
  • cymatica wrote:
    Uncle Si wrote:
    cymatica wrote:
    Uncle Si wrote:
    And it has a,place in the multiple threads on the subject in the main forum.


    Look at the thread title


    which should be in the main forum..

    finding creative ways to bag on the head coach across multiple forums is just trolling.

    is that you? are you a troll?


    Pathetic. Any criticism of the team and it must be trolling. Got it.


    Get off your cross...

    Pathetic is that you cant see what you're doing is trolling. Criticize the team all you want. Do it in the appropriate forums. Rules set up for a reason.

    Any more issues, send a PM.

    Since we have many PC threads, and a Vike-9ers thread, this one has run its course.
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