Marvin49 wrote:I can only speak for myself, but I think its was too much in compensation. I feel kinda like I did after the Harvin trade, but I think Adams is a far better player.
As a Niner fan, I hate that Adams is a Seahawk. Dude is freakishly talented. He'll be all over the place and will have an impact on the run D and pass D. I say this because I don't want to minimize how good a player he is. He's be REALLY good and at an impact position in that Seattle D and he'll make a difference against scrambling QBs like in Arizona and against TEs like Kittle. I would love to have seen SF pull the trigger there...
...but not at that price. 2 1s and a 3 for the player and a 4 is still a HUGE price...especially since you'll still have to pay him next year when the cap will likely shrink.
I hear the argument that the Seahawks 1s haven't been great lately and the picks will likely be in the late 20s at best (best for the Jets that is), but if your plan is to just trade away 1s because you don't draft well then you have a larger problem. 1st round picks are still 1st round picks. They represent the ability to get a good player and hold him for 4+ years on small contracts.
The 49ers could have kept Buckner at 20 mil+ per year but traded him for a 1st and got Kinlaw in the building for 4 years at a MUCH, MUCH lower number. History will tell if that was a good move or not, but it just illustrates the difference in the way the teams are looking at this.
Now it could be that Adams makes a HUGE difference and tips the balance in the NFC West. I can't say that won't happen and if it does it may well have been worth it, but for me I wouldn't have been happy if the Niners had paid that price. A few years ago, if they'd made the trade for Khalil Mack (and they offered more than the Bears did), they wouldn't right now have Nick Bosa or possibly Brandon Aiyuk.
Its gonna suck to play against Bobby Wagner and Jamal Adams patrolling the middle of the field, but WOW. That's a big price tag.
Consider the pricetag from this point: Adams is only 24, 3 years in the league, and was taken 6th overall in 2017, a draft value of 1600 based on the chart. Since Pete Carroll has become the Seahawks coach, Seattle has finished above the 21st draft slot only twice, #12 in the 2012 draft, and #18 in the 2018 draft. In that span, Seattle's assigned picks (25, 12, 25, 32, 31, 26, 26, 18, 21, 27) has averaged a value equivalent to 761 on the chart, or roughly the 23rd overall selection. 761 + 761 is 1522, plus Seattle and the Jets swapped 4th rounders in 2022. If you assume (safe bet) in 2021 the Jets finish in the bottom half of the league and Seattle finishes in the top half, then the average difference between those 4th rounders is 34 points in Seattle's favor, bringing the value from 1522 to 1488. Effectively, Seattle dealt the equivalent of approximately the 7th overall pick for a 24 year old All-Pro/Pro Bowler. That isn't too bad.
I see the logic there and I'm pretty sure I'd be doin' the math there myself if I were a Seahawks fan, but I still think its too much.
You are talking about a guy who is going to get PAID huge $$$ (with a shrinking salary cap), not a top 10 draft pick who you will have salary controlled for 4-5 years. You are also talking about a guy who basically talked his way out of New York. These are the kind of situations where you get a guy for LESS than he might be worth. Not more.
Maybe I'm jaded. Dunno. Garoppolo for only a 2. Dee Ford for only a 2. The thing is with those trades is that they were cheap on compensation because a big contract was going to have to be done.
Now QB is a different animal and Adams is better than Dee. By alot. I'm not saying he's not. Just seems to me that top dollar (in terms of draft compensation) was paid on a player the Jets needed to move in a hurry. Now I don't know who was offering what but I read this week that BOTH Dallas and SF had said they were not in the bidding. I can't speak for Dallas, but Lynch usually shows you his cards after the fact. He admitted to trying to make deals for Mack and OBJ.
Now he's older of course, but Niners got Trent Williams for a 3 and a 5. There were alot of other things going on there, but when a guy is disgruntled, you usually get that guy on the cheap, not for a fortune. I felt the same way about Jalen Ramsey and the same arguments were made and I STILL think that was way too much...and that was a CORNER, not a safety.
So I guess my question is this...who were the Seahawks competing with?
Adams is a stud tho. He's young and he'll be a playmaker for the Seahawks for years. That part sucks in a big way for 49er fans.