NFL 2020 Futility Thread

Key Opt Outs as of Today:
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- Michael Pierce (DT, Vikings)
- Star Lotuleli (DT, Bills)
- Eddie Goldman (DT, Bears)
- Patrick Chung (S, Patriots)
- Dont'a Hightower (LB, Patriots)

Patriots seem to have the high count right now with six signed players opting out. There are about 23 signed players total right now that are on the list.

Supposedly the Patriots now have $24 million in cap space. Clowney might be drooling over these opt-outs.

It's not just the opt-outs.

It's what's already happened to the Marlins (17 positives) which has now kept the Phillies from playing and disrupted the Nats and Orioles.

MLB like NFL has almost unlimitless money compared to the rest of us to test and trace and they lasted what, 72 hours before this problem?

Add to that that baseball is really socially distant compared to football. For it to even within the same realm it'd have to be flag and maybe even not then.

Over at ESPN, Kettleman is saying there's a zero percent chance they finish the season.

SantaClaraHawk":1mg5ew5b said:

It's not just the opt-outs.

It's what's already happened to the Marlins (17 positives) which has now kept the Phillies from playing and disrupted the Nats and Orioles.

MLB like NFL has almost unlimitless money compared to the rest of us to test and trace and they lasted what, 72 hours before this problem?

Add to that that baseball is really socially distant compared to football. For it to even within the same realm it'd have to be flag and maybe even not then.

Over at ESPN, Kettleman is saying there's a zero percent chance they finish the season.

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They main spread isnt during the games...come on.. how many times does this need to be said before you acknowledge

MLB needed to take 3-4 weeks to ramp up, with testing, to get through the outbreaks.

They didn't. They are dealing with problems european so er dealt with. One did it in training camp, the other in season.

Uncle Si":fsfjxx0s said:

SantaClaraHawk":fsfjxx0s said:

It's not just the opt-outs.

It's what's already happened to the Marlins (17 positives) which has now kept the Phillies from playing and disrupted the Nats and Orioles.

MLB like NFL has almost unlimitless money compared to the rest of us to test and trace and they lasted what, 72 hours before this problem?

Add to that that baseball is really socially distant compared to football. For it to even within the same realm it'd have to be flag and maybe even not then.

Over at ESPN, Kettleman is saying there's a zero percent chance they finish the season.

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They main spread isnt during the games...come on.. how many times does this need to be said before you acknowledge

MLB needed to take 3-4 weeks to ramp up, with testing, to get through the outbreaks.

They didn't. They are dealing with problems european so er dealt with. One did it in training camp, the other in season.

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We're not Europe or Korea. Those places got the virus down first in the community then started playing games.

For MLB there might be less spread to the other team, maybe. You can't make that much of an argument with football being that it's close contact.

Rams tackle Andrew Whitworth wasn't partying with dozens of people. One of his family got it from one friend, gave it to Whitworth's whole immediate family including him and soon the ILs were infected possibly by Whitworth's immediate fam.

The Vikings head of infection control Sugarman had Peter King tour his facility and King said he would feel comfy eating off it. Sugarman tested positive and he's the one in charge of the club rules around this.

For NFL to truly eradicate this from happening, they'd have to test 2,500 people daily as if each one were the president. The labs are already strained from the public.

The covid-19 reserve is a nice idea but as the Marlins have shown, you can have two-three positives on your team and still have 17 a day or two later, but the NFL like the MLB are not even considering holding a team back for a couple positives.

It doesn't matter where we are.. the testing response for sports is different than general public. They are not comparable.

Testing 2500 people every two days is what they will do..

MLBs mistake is that they didn't fully test squads and vet out positives until the season started.

And no, the 17 marlins didn't contract the virus in play. And nfl players should not be taking the field with any player who has not had a negative test returned. So the games won't matter.

You arrive 2 days before the game. You test. Posituve you quarantine. Negative you play.

The two people you mentioned have not spread the virus to others. Thats the point of rapid testing and quarantine protocol. Sugarman didn't get it at Vikrs camp. His lab could've looked like a sterile space center. Doesn't matter.

Again, not sure how the rest of the world's sports have this down but we can't expect the same of ours, or actively propagate the impossibility of this while others do it rather simply.

Uncle Si":3g70051j said:

It doesn't matter where we are.. the testing response for sports is different than general public. They are not comparable.

Testing 2500 people every two days is what they will do..

MLBs mistake is that they didn't fully test squads and vet out positives until the season started.

And no, the 17 marlins didn't contract the virus in play. And nfl players should not be taking the field with any player who has not had a negative test returned. So the games won't matter.

You arrive 2 days before the game. You test. Posituve you quarantine. Negative you play.

The two people you mentioned have not spread the virus to others. Thats the point of rapid testing and quarantine protocol. Sugarman didn't get it at Vikrs camp. His lab could've looked like a sterile space center. Doesn't matter.

Again, not sure how the rest of the world's sports have this down but we can't expect the same of ours, or actively propagate the impossibility of this while others do it rather simply.

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The Marlins didn't let the infected players play. According to the testing regimen the players who played were pos as of Friday. They got pulled and everyone who was neg played Sunday and that's when got several more positives followed by four more the next day because it doesn't show up immediately.

Thats why you test every other day and not allow people into the facility without a neg result. The players almost certainly were infected within the facility, not on the field.

The Marlins case is probably the most severe possible, but the reality is they all had it days before their games started. This is the failure of the mlb, where other leagues have succeeded

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mma/uf ... r-BB17jI6k

This is from UFC's Dana White, who thinks bubbles are the only way to do this. MMA, MLS and NBA are in bubbles. That no doubt helps the situation by minimizing the risk someone brought it in from someone they don't work with.

SantaClaraHawk":2r7e5n7y said:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mma/ufc-president-dana-white-on-sports-in-2020-this-isnt-going-to-work-outside-of-a-bubble/ar-BB17jI6k

This is from UFC's Dana White, who thinks bubbles are the only way to do this. MMA, MLS and NBA are in bubbles. That no doubt helps the situation by minimizing the risk someone brought it in from someone they don't work with.

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And yet..

Well whatever.

Dana White's point is that team sports/close contact have not been proven to work without the bubble. Nascar and golf are not exactly team or close contact in the way that baseball let alone football is.

NFL will try, like MLB did, but at some point the virus will get in right before a game and as the Marlins showed, telling just those infected players to stay away wasn't sufficient. The Phillies lost their next matchup and are on delay, and the Marlins are still in Philly themselves.

So if/when that scenario breaks out in NFL, you wouldn't expect less. In fact with the direct contact involved in even playing the game, you'd probably expect more players to be held back if not the whole team.

SantaClaraHawk":38y851cw said:

Dana White's point is that team sports/close contact have not been proven to work without the bubble. Nascar and golf are not exactly team or close contact in the way that baseball let alone football is.

NFL will try, like MLB did, but at some point the virus will get in right before a game and as the Marlins showed, telling just those infected players to stay away wasn't sufficient. The Phillies lost their next matchup and are on delay, and the Marlins are still in Philly themselves.

So if/when that scenario breaks out in NFL, you wouldn't expect less. In fact with the direct contact involved in even playing the game, you'd probably expect more players to be held back if not the whole team.

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But they have worked. Dana White, or you, or both, are not paying attention.

And playing the game is not where transmisdion occurs. You keep saying this, and its innaccurate.

5 professional soccer leagues throughout Europe have already shown the way.

NFL has tons of money. Ship the entire league to New Zealand where they go through a 14-day quarantine, then can freely travel and play around the country. We have sports fields - some of the best natural turf fields in the world. We can have live people in the stands.

But seriously, the NFL could adopt full-face-shield helmets and it would protect them just fine during the games. If your eyes, nose, and mouth are protected, there's no entry point for the virus.

Put ‘em in a bubble or the season is not happening.


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James in PA":2n6u5o6c said:

Put ‘em in a bubble or the season is not happening.


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You're not putting someone in a "bubble" for 5 months.

Uncle Si":25a0avdj said:

James in PA":25a0avdj said:

Put ‘em in a bubble or the season is not happening.


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You're not putting someone in a "bubble" for 5 months.

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MLS went to bubble mode and in a bubble you won't have a Marlins situation.

MLB has way more money to test but outside the bubble mode it took 72 hours for one of their teams to be rendered temporarily nonoperational, and they got another positive today.

NFL won't be able to preclude a Whitworth situation where family gives it to the player, player shows up neg on Friday or Saturday, gets cleared to play and then come Monday, they're positive and so are two others from that team. Their opponents were just in a scrum pile with them so NOW what do you do?

SantaClaraHawk":bkaqwzf3 said:

Uncle Si":bkaqwzf3 said:

James in PA":bkaqwzf3 said:

Put ‘em in a bubble or the season is not happening.


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You're not putting someone in a "bubble" for 5 months.

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MLS went to bubble mode and in a bubble you won't have a Marlins situation.

MLB has way more money to test but outside the bubble mode it took 72 hours for one of their teams to be rendered temporarily nonoperational, and they got another positive today.

NFL won't be able to preclude a Whitworth situation where family gives it to the player, player shows up neg on Friday or Saturday, gets cleared to play and then come Monday, they're positive and so are two others from that team. Their opponents were just in a scrum pile with them so NOW what do you do?

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At least you are consistent.

These leagues in bubble mode are finishing month long tournaments... not a 5 month league. You can figure out the rest by researching how soccer has done it in europe and stop with pointless what is like Whitaorth if you want to have the conversation.

I'm going to ignore the nonsense about getting it while playing, as you ignore my previous responses to it.

Uncle Si":2fcj5wue said:

SantaClaraHawk":2fcj5wue said:

Uncle Si":2fcj5wue said:

James in PA":2fcj5wue said:

Put ‘em in a bubble or the season is not happening.


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You're not putting someone in a "bubble" for 5 months.

Click to expand...

MLS went to bubble mode and in a bubble you won't have a Marlins situation.

MLB has way more money to test but outside the bubble mode it took 72 hours for one of their teams to be rendered temporarily nonoperational, and they got another positive today.

NFL won't be able to preclude a Whitworth situation where family gives it to the player, player shows up neg on Friday or Saturday, gets cleared to play and then come Monday, they're positive and so are two others from that team. Their opponents were just in a scrum pile with them so NOW what do you do?

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At least you are consistent.

These leagues in bubble mode are finishing month long tournaments... not a 5 month league. You can figure out the rest by researching how soccer has done it in europe and stop with pointless what is like Whitaorth if you want to have the conversation.

I'm going to ignore the nonsense about getting it while playing, as you ignore my previous responses to it.

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Is bit different in a full contact sport, you can't play 10 games a month, also 60 players, 20 coaches and trainers, then you have exits to Hospitals for xrays and other needs typically multiples for every game for just in case stuff.

Now that we've seen the Marlins have an outbreak, it seems inevitable that they will happen. It sounds like, perhaps, some of the players weren't as careful as expected in the "bubble." How it happened isn't really relevant because I think we can predict that young, rich men will not abide by the rules 100% of the time.

So(assuming there is a season at all), when an NFL team has an outbreak, how will that play out?

-I could see scenarios where a team fields a rookie/back-up team to get them experience but it kind of turns into something that looks like a pre-season game.

-I could see something where opposing teams agree to play the game during a later bye week or something too.

-I could also see scenarios where the NFL changes some rules regarding IR, Practice Squad and 52 player limit. If that occurs mid-season, then the teams effected early in the season would have reason to be upset. ie:When Tom Brady gets sick, a rule changes but not for RW....

-If there are a lot of players (I think the Marlins have 17 or 18, right?) I could see a scenario where a team couldn't even field a team or would have to play with their 52/3 person roster not filled and needing to juggle players and positions. You could sign a few FA and use your Practice Squad but there is a limit as to how many players you can bring in for a 1-3 week period. ... and teams that are close to the cap would have to bring them in under the cap, right? Players that sit out sick still apply to cap limits I think.

I guess I'm curious about the different predicaments that the NFL may predictably find itself in this season and everyone's expectations. In some respects, that may give a creative and "player-centric" front office some advantages. It could also result in teams that have players more willing and disciplined to follow hygenic standards realize an advantage. Or possibly, teams that have a plan in place to both make it easy for players to stay safe/healthy and react when infections occur, will end up with a better team on a weekly average.