Deshaun Watson Allegations

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Becoming an extremely concerning situation... a horrible, horrible shame if true.
 

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As a woman and licensed massage therapist in Oregon, this is really concerning to me. Now there are 6 women coming forward with allegations of this nature against this guy.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2 ... un-watson/

I used to be a Texans fan. Can't root for them with all the decisions they've made in the last 3 years. Then I was rooting for Watson. Yea, not doing it anymore.

This makes the Wilson Trade Drama look like nothing.
 

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Innocent until proven guilty but it sure doesn't look good for Watson. These are highly detailed descriptions with multiple women coming forward.
 

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Maybe created this himself to force a trade. Giess if it follows him to San Francisco itll be true...if it goes away then we will know.
 

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Living in Houston I wish I had never heard of Tony Buzbee. I would be better off for it. The dude is sleazy.

I want to see how this plays out. Perhaps the Texans are influencing this stuff, perhaps Watson is Darren Sharper. We shall see.
 

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Its hard to believe they wanted 6 figures and Watson didn't want pay for it to go away...
 

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Wolfiegrrl":1g0cxw0k said:
As a woman and licensed massage therapist in Oregon, this is really concerning to me. Now there are 6 women coming forward with allegations of this nature against this guy.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2 ... un-watson/

I used to be a Texans fan. Can't root for them with all the decisions they've made in the last 3 years. Then I was rooting for Watson. Yea, not doing it anymore.

This makes the Wilson Trade Drama look like nothing.

I feel the same way. This isn't one allegation, it is potentially six allegations. That alone is cause for concern.

It's not on a masseuse or personal care provider to provide erotic stimulation.
 

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SantaClaraHawk":14obzqq8 said:
Wolfiegrrl":14obzqq8 said:
As a woman and licensed massage therapist in Oregon, this is really concerning to me. Now there are 6 women coming forward with allegations of this nature against this guy.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2 ... un-watson/

I used to be a Texans fan. Can't root for them with all the decisions they've made in the last 3 years. Then I was rooting for Watson. Yea, not doing it anymore.

This makes the Wilson Trade Drama look like nothing.

I feel the same way. This isn't one allegation, it is potentially six allegations. That alone is cause for concern.

It's not on a masseuse or personal care provider to provide erotic stimulation.

Yes, but half of them are fronts for Prostitution, or you could ask Robert Kraft, or maybe look at all the busts for Prostitution in Bellevue and women that were brought in from Countries for sex trafficking. One of the buildings I worked in was on the back side adjacent to a massage parlor bust not once, not twice but 5 times before they managed to close it down from what I heard.
 

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chris98251":3knudv41 said:
SantaClaraHawk":3knudv41 said:
Wolfiegrrl":3knudv41 said:
As a woman and licensed massage therapist in Oregon, this is really concerning to me. Now there are 6 women coming forward with allegations of this nature against this guy.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2 ... un-watson/

I used to be a Texans fan. Can't root for them with all the decisions they've made in the last 3 years. Then I was rooting for Watson. Yea, not doing it anymore.

This makes the Wilson Trade Drama look like nothing.

I feel the same way. This isn't one allegation, it is potentially six allegations. That alone is cause for concern.

It's not on a masseuse or personal care provider to provide erotic stimulation.

Yes, but half of them are fronts for Prostitution, or you could ask Robert Kraft, or maybe look at all the busts for Prostitution in Bellevue and women that were brought in from Countries for $ex trafficking. One of the buildings I worked in was on the back side adjacent to a massage parlor bust not once, not twice but 5 times before they managed to close it down from what I heard.

Oh, I understand completely, but there are multiple issues going on here.

It's illegal to pay for happy endings. Sure, people do it, but when you're a big NFL figure with a moral clause baked into the contract, I'd expect that to be handled at least legally with a visit to a legal Nevada brothel where contacting for that is legal.

The repercussions increase with allegations that some of this was nonconsensual, which is what is going on now.

One, maybe even two women, maybe that's a groupie thing. But Florio now says the lawsuits will be up to nine.

Whatever happened, something did to result in nine separate lawsuits and it creates a distrubing let alone illegal pattern. One that the NFL is correct to investigate.
 

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At times like this, I'm really happy we have someone of character at QB. Sure, he's human too, but Russ seems to busy to even get caught up in this sort of thing. Plus, with Ciara at home...
 

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SantaClaraHawk":32cs5b7k said:
chris98251":32cs5b7k said:
SantaClaraHawk":32cs5b7k said:
Wolfiegrrl":32cs5b7k said:
As a woman and licensed massage therapist in Oregon, this is really concerning to me. Now there are 6 women coming forward with allegations of this nature against this guy.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2 ... un-watson/

I used to be a Texans fan. Can't root for them with all the decisions they've made in the last 3 years. Then I was rooting for Watson. Yea, not doing it anymore.

This makes the Wilson Trade Drama look like nothing.

I feel the same way. This isn't one allegation, it is potentially six allegations. That alone is cause for concern.

It's not on a masseuse or personal care provider to provide erotic stimulation.

Yes, but half of them are fronts for Prostitution, or you could ask Robert Kraft, or maybe look at all the busts for Prostitution in Bellevue and women that were brought in from Countries for $ex trafficking. One of the buildings I worked in was on the back side adjacent to a massage parlor bust not once, not twice but 5 times before they managed to close it down from what I heard.

Oh, I understand completely, but there are multiple issues going on here.

It's illegal to pay for happy endings. Sure, people do it, but when you're a big NFL figure with a moral clause baked into the contract, I'd expect that to be handled at least legally with a visit to a legal Nevada brothel where contacting for that is legal.

The repercussions increase with allegations that some of this was nonconsensual, which is what is going on now.

One, maybe even two women, maybe that's a groupie thing. But Florio now says the lawsuits will be up to nine.

Whatever happened, something did to result in nine separate lawsuits and it creates a distrubing let alone illegal pattern. One that the NFL is correct to investigate.

9 huh, well not having read anything other then headlines, were they all in one location, if a place is a front I could see 9 incidents, and then finding out who he is doing a blackmail approach, Kraft paid off his stuff, you know he did for it to just go away. If they were doing something illegal then this would be a payday. Getting the women to say he had them give him some kind of extra service and then claiming it was forced would not be outside the realm of a place of that nature.

Just throwing darts but 9 and now all at once coming out?
 

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i had the sense they were indies given that at least some of this happened when Watson hired them to come to his home for a massage--but it is sus that all nine are apparently being repped by this one lawyer, but it's also sus that there are nine, even so.

So true or not, there's now an investigation into the nonconsensuality, which is going to spill over into whether said services can be legally expected in that context at his location, and the answer is no.

I really wonder about why a guy--any guy--with that much reputation and money on the line WOULDN'T be super careful around this. I mean, wouldn't you just see your CMT as another medical/wellness person tasked with keeping your bod in football shape, and wouldn't you put the hookups in another lane, just to be safer for you? Because guilty or no, now he has to deal with all this.
 

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SantaClaraHawk":2vcx7z9i said:
i had the sense they were indies given that at least some of this happened when Watson hired them to come to his home for a massage--but it is sus that all nine are apparently being repped by this one lawyer, but it's also sus that there are nine, even so.

So true or not, there's now an investigation into the nonconsensuality, which is going to spill over into whether said services can be legally expected in that context at his location, and the answer is no.

I really wonder about why a guy--any guy--with that much reputation and money on the line WOULDN'T be super careful around this. I mean, wouldn't you just see your CMT as another medical/wellness person tasked with keeping your bod in football shape, and wouldn't you put the hookups in another lane, just to be safer for you? Because guilty or no, now he has to deal with all this.

I've seen some of the posts on the Texans Reddit. Sadly, the lawyer for these women is known to be rather sleezy. The lawyer is doing a press conference via Facebook Live today, from what I've heard. At the same time, the McNairs' have a requirement that all Texans players be stand up 'Christian' men with high morals and values. Anytime one of the players has run into a legal (read that moral) issue, they get cut or traded. With all this coming out, I almost wouldn't put it passed the Texans front office to use it as a reason to get rid of the kid. At this point, the NFL is looking into it and he may be facing suspension anyway.

I'm not sure what to believe on Watson. He was nothing but helpful to the people of Houston when he arrived. He's done charitable things for the city and such. But the red flag that got me early on in his rookie season was him dating a porn star. To each their own. However, it seems that Watson was soliciting women for massage services off of Instagram. These women were not Registered, Certified, or Licensed. One flew from Atlanta out to Houston.

Now, I've been a Licensed Massage Therapist in Oregon for 18 years. Professionally, I wouldn't fly anywhere to give an NFL QB a massage in a hotel or his home or whatever. That just invites the wrong kind of meaning to the massage session.
 

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https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2 ... un-watson/
(includes texts allegedly from Watson)

So from the above, it appears one gotcha is that they have Watson on text asking the masseuse if she would feel comfortable working on his glutes, and then a text from him saying to the effect, "sorry you felt uncomfortable, didn't want to do that and hope we can work again sometime."
 

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Wolfiegrrl":1rhrq8if said:
Now, I've been a Licensed Massage Therapist in Oregon for 18 years. Professionally, I wouldn't fly anywhere to give an NFL QB a massage in a hotel or his home or whatever. That just invites the wrong kind of meaning to the massage session.

I hear what you're saying. I just wish people in general would see CMT as a legit wellness position, same as a chiropractor or an acupuncturist. That's it. That's what a CMT does.

Him going to Insta to recruit unlicensed people without training instead of getting a referral to not only a CMT, but one specifically trained in sports massage techniques, does suggest that his expectation was for something more.

So already he's in the position of saying that he was paying for a legal service (massage) and that nothing was sexual, or if it was, the sexual part was technically separate. But then the specific lawsuits are about SA, so even if the sex was kinda part of a quasi-deal, it's still true people can't force them into doing acts that they didn't want.

Some Florio commentators are theorizing this may be the machinations of the McNairs to ruin his trade market so he'll have to stay and play for the Texans. Well even if this gets him to show up for them, he's going to be even more angry and disinclined to do a good job, so I'm skeptical of that theory.

Gut feeling, everything's probably somewhere in the middle on a lot of what happened here, but it's clear Watson exercised some irresponsibility here at least over his own brand and image.

EDIT 1: All the lawsuits themselves are here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Texans/comment ... ad_part_2/
 

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SantaClaraHawk":327nbpx0 said:
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/03/18/attorney-promises-to-release-multiple-texts-from-deshaun-watson/
(includes texts allegedly from Watson)

So from the above, it appears one gotcha is that they have Watson on text asking the masseuse if she would feel comfortable working on his glutes, and then a text from him saying to the effect, "sorry you felt uncomfortable, didn't want to do that and hope we can work again sometime."

I’m guessing he (it rhymes with emasculate).
 

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Mizak":2tvd5jzh said:
SantaClaraHawk":2tvd5jzh said:
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/03/18/attorney-promises-to-release-multiple-texts-from-deshaun-watson/
(includes texts allegedly from Watson)

So from the above, it appears one gotcha is that they have Watson on text asking the masseuse if she would feel comfortable working on his glutes, and then a text from him saying to the effect, "sorry you felt uncomfortable, didn't want to do that and hope we can work again sometime."

I’m guessing he (it rhymes with emasculate).

LOL, I went through some of the suits on the link, and a lot of them are him allegedly trying to get the woman to focus on the "insertion point" of the hamstring, or his inner groin muscles, while he was fully tumescent and nude.

Most CMTs doing only the fully legit side do understand that erections can happen, but SOP for that is to put a cool towel on the area and leave until that state subsides.

Having read at least three of these complaints though, it sounds like Watson had kind of a "nurse fantasy" kink or something like that. Which he should have indulged w/those who were down with that, which would have meant making the job duties clear.

Most disturbingly from the complaints, tho, is that it appears part of Watson's kink was seeing these women get progressively more uncomfortable about it with their resistance--like it HAD to be real to him. And if true, that is total BS on his part.
 

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Buzbee said that one of the masseuses was referred to Watson by a member of the Texans organization and another by his private quarterback coach Quincy Avery. He added that one of the accusations against Watson concerns an incident in the last month and that it happened after Watson was aware of the allegations being made against him.

Buzbee said he’s been contacted by the Houston Police Department and that his office will cooperate with investigations into Watson’s conduct by law enforcement and/or the NFL.

Now that lawyer has 12 lawsuits, not nine. https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2 ... un-watson/
 
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